Is Brock Organ autistic?

[Dev]

From ourspecialkids.org: "Autism impacts the normal development of the
brain in the areas of social interaction and communication skills.
Children and adults with autism typically have difficulties in verbal
and non-verbal communication, social interactions, and leisure or play
activities. The disorder makes it hard for them to communicate with
others and relate to the outside world. In some cases, aggressive and/
or self-injurious behavior may be present. Persons with autism may
exhibit repeated body movements (hand flapping, rocking), unusual
responses to people or attachments to objects and resistance to
changes in routines."

Now, what we're going to do here is examine how Brock responded to
people on a recent thread, which is pretty much how he always does it,
and then I will re-post a segment from the movie _Rain Man_, about an
autistic man played by Dustin Hoffman named Raymond.

---

From the science fiction story thread:

Brock: Not a particularly great story.

Drafterman (making fun of something Brock has repeated a million
times): Its objective truth is independent of your beliefs.

Brock: My point was that its not a particularly great story.

bonfly: Its objective wonderfulness lies beyond Brock's capacity to
understand.

Brock: I prefer the Bible.

Drafterman: Its objective greatness is independent of your beliefs.

Brock: I prefer the Bible.

Drafterman (still miming Brock): Its objective greatness in excess of
that of the Bible is independent
of your preferences.

Brock: Just pointing out that I prefer the Bible. :)

rappoccio: Still pointing out that the stories are identical.

Brock: I prefer the Bible.

---

From _Rain Man_:

Raymond: These are not boxer shorts. Mine are boxer shorts. These are
Hanes 32.

Charlie: Underwear is underwear, Ray.

Raymond: My boxer shorts have my name and it says Raymond.

Charlie: All right, when we pass the store, we'll pick you up a pair
of boxer shorts.

Raymond: I get my boxer shorts at K-Mart in Cincinnati.

Charlie: We're not going back to Cincinnati, Ray, so don't even start
with that.

Raymond: Gotta get my boxer shorts at K-Mart.

Charlie: [Pulls over, gets out of the car and yells] WHAT DIFFERENCE
DOES IT MAKE WHERE YOU BUY UNDERWEAR? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
UNDERWEAR IS UNDERWEAR! IT IS UNDERWEAR WHEREVER YOU BUY IT! IN
CINCINNATI OR WHEREVER!

Raymond: K-Mart!

Charlie: You know what I think, Ray? I think this autism is a bunch of
shit! Because you can't tell me that you're not in there somewhere!

Raymond: Boxer shorts. K-Mart!

---

Now, obviously Deidzoeb if he's reading will bitch about how this is
politically incorrect towards autistic people and blah blah blah, but
hopefully his mouth is a little preoccupied with Mike's dick at the
moment. You've got to admit the resemblance here is uncanny. What do
you think, guys? Is Broke Organ autistic?

[Trance Gemini]

Too Funny!!

[Drafterman]

On Mar 20, 8:55 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

I think the resemblance is uncanny.

[Neil Kelsey]

Does he know what time Jeopardy starts?

[Dag Yo]

It's certainly a possibility, and i'd prefer to think that he is
because otherwise he's just offensively bad at communicating his
ideas.

> Now, obviously Deidzoeb if he's reading will bitch about how this is
> politically incorrect towards autistic people and blah blah blah

I hope Deidzoeb is reading it. :)

[rappoccio]

Definitely. Definitely. Gotta watch Whapner. Definitely. Definitely.

[bonfly]

One other aspect of autism is that there is inappropriate affect.
Brock's smileys are another telling sign. Telling firstly because he
uses his smiley in every single post and hasn't yet noticed that the
incessant use of smiley's is outdated (but so are the Middle Ages).
He hasn't noticed that he is the only one to use them in (almost)
every post. Does this mean he is happier than everybody else? No,
read his shit at ACRD where he complains about how people speak to him
here. Does he want to pretend that he's the happiest most self
satisfied person on the planet here ? Of course he does, it's all
part of his 'be a fake for Christ' syndrome.

[Drafterman]

52 cards. 52 cards. There are objectively 52 cards independent of my
belief.

[Dev]

Yeah, I kind of do too so he can lecture all of us at once. :)

> > you think, guys? Is Broke Organ autistic?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Dag Yo]

I have been in e-mail contact with him recently, perhaps i'll bring it
up so he'll come back whinging.

[rappoccio]

LOL

[Keith MacNevins]

Have you studied up on things that would help you understand yourself better, demon-dev? I hope it helps.

--
Ambassador From Hell

[Brock]

On Mar 20, 8:55 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> What do
> you think, guys? Is Broke Organ autistic?

I don't believe so.

Regards,

Brock

[Drafterman]

On Mar 21, 11:04 am, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 20, 8:55 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> > What do
> > you think, guys? Is Broke Organ autistic?
>
> I don't believe so.

You raise an interesting point. Do autistic people know they're
austic? Do that have the capability of recognizing that within
themselves?

>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

[Keith MacNevins]

He's more artistic. It is you who have a mental deficiency, demon. Not to mention no conscience, no soul, and no humanity.

--
Ambassador From Hell

[Dev]

I'm obviously not an expert on autism, but I do know it can range from
mild to extreme. Someone who is mildly autistic would certainly be
capable of realizing it if they were diagnosed and had it explained to
them. I doubt Brock's autism, however, is that mild.

> > Brock- Hide quoted text -

[Keith MacNevins]

We don't expect victims of autism to become experts in autism except by experience. In that sense you are something of an expert, perhaps. Just do see a doctor regularly and take your meds you dopey demon.

[Trance Gemini]

Does this make Brocky AvC's special kid ;-)

[Brock Organ]

Some of the strongest Christians are autistic. Of course, not all
autistic people are Christian, but some of those who are, have a faith
that inspires and fills me with joy and happiness. It makes me think
of Isaiah 46: 3-5.

"I (the Lord) have made, and I will bear"

Praise God.

Regards,

Brock

[zencycle]

From: "Brock Organ" <brock...@gmail.com>
Subject: [AvC] Re: Is Brock Organ autistic?

>
> Some of the strongest Christians are autistic.

There's a fucking schocker!!!!!

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Dev wrote:

>
> I'm obviously not an expert on autism, but I do know it can range from
> mild to extreme. Someone who is mildly autistic would certainly be
> capable of realizing it if they were diagnosed and had it explained to
> them. I doubt Brock's autism, however, is that mild.

I doubt that it exists. :)

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

God loves them, too. :)

Regards,

Brock

[Observer]

On Mar 21, 3:18 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Dev wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm obviously not an expert on autism, but I do know it can range from
> > mild to extreme. Someone who is mildly autistic would certainly be
> > capable of realizing it if they were diagnosed and had it explained to
> > them. I doubt Brock's autism, however, is that mild.
>
> I doubt that it exists. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

Observer

Not to worry Brock we will get together and see if we can find you a
place on the special Olympics debating team along with that Hindu
mystic nut case. You can debate the epistemology of transcendental
nihilism as it relates to sucking your toes.


Psychonomist

[Dev]

Yeah. Look at his picture (profile, web page)--that big, plastered
smile--that blank, helpless stare. You can't stay mad at that. He's
our special little guy. :)

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[Dev]

So Brock hasn't quite admitted to being autistic, but here he says
that autism fills him with joy and happiness and strengthens faith. :)

[Dev]

Not only is religious faith indiscernable from delusion, but
everything I've read about the relationship between religious faith
and mental illness points towards a positive correlation between faith
and :

1) schizophrenia
2) autism
3) mental retardation

On Mar 21, 4:11 pm, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com>

[Trance Gemini]

LMAO!

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Observer wrote:
> On Mar 21, 3:18 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Dev wrote:
>>> I'm obviously not an expert on autism, but I do know it can range
>>> from
>>> mild to extreme. Someone who is mildly autistic would certainly be
>>> capable of realizing it if they were diagnosed and had it explained
>>> to
>>> them. I doubt Brock's autism, however, is that mild.
>>
>> I doubt that it exists. :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Brock
>
>
> Observer
>
> Not to worry Brock we will get together and see if we can find you a
> place on the special Olympics debating team along with that Hindu
> mystic nut case. You can debate the epistemology of transcendental
> nihilism as it relates to sucking your toes.

I prefer talking about the wonderful gospel of Jesus Christ.

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:54 PM, Dev wrote:
> Yeah. Look at his picture (profile, web page)--that big, plastered
> smile--that blank, helpless stare. You can't stay mad at that. He's
> our special little guy. :)

:)

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Dev wrote:

>
> So Brock hasn't quite admitted to being autistic, but here he says
> that autism fills him with joy and happiness and strengthens faith. :)

Not quite. What I said was:

>> Some of the strongest Christians are autistic.  Of course, not all
>> autistic people are Christian, but some of those who are, have a faith
>> that inspires and fills me with joy and happiness.  It makes me think
>> of Isaiah 46: 3-5.

Which is not the same as:

> here he says
> that autism fills him with joy and happiness and strengthens faith. :)

Of course, I do praise God and thank Him for His wondrous care and
love. :)

Regards,

Brock

[bonfly]

You prefer talking a lot of shit about big words. You have not been
talking about jesus christ here. Read through your posts. You
haven't been evangelizing. You've been arguing moot points about
irrelevant and outdated terms, like 'erist.' If you think thats been
talking about jesus christ, well, it's not the first time your
stupidity has blinded your reason.

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 21, 2008, at 8:47 PM, bonfly wrote:

>
> You prefer talking a lot of shit about big words. You have not been
> talking about jesus christ here. Read through your posts. You
> haven't been evangelizing. You've been arguing moot points about
> irrelevant and outdated terms, like 'erist.' If you think thats been
> talking about jesus christ, well, it's not the first time your
> stupidity has blinded your reason.

My positions have consistently been articulated:

a) My position is that the propositional truths of the Bible, the "Word
of God", is the "essence" that precedes "existence". It is the source
of knowledge from which we derive our first principles that we use to
make value judgments.

b) Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae

Regards,

Brock

[Dev]

Definitely. Definitely, Jesus, definitely.

[Dev]

I'll leave it up to the readers to decide if I correctly paraphrased
what you said.

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 21, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Dev wrote:
> Definitely. Definitely, Jesus, definitely.

He's a wonderful savior.

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 21, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Dev wrote:
> I'll leave it up to the readers to decide if I correctly paraphrased
> what you said.

You mean your premise:

>>> So Brock hasn't quite admitted to being autistic, but here he says
>>> that autism fills him with joy and happiness and strengthens faith.
>>> :)

to be a correct paraphrase for:

>>>> Some of the strongest Christians are autistic.  Of course, not all
>>>> autistic people are Christian, but some of those who are, have a
>>>> faith
>>>> that inspires and fills me with joy and happiness.  It makes me
>>>> think
>>>> of Isaiah 46: 3-5.

I don't think it'll stand a critical analysis.

[Drafterman]

On Mar 21, 6:21 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:11 PM, zencycle wrote:
>

> > From: "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: [AvC] Re: Is Brock Organ autistic?
>
> >> Some of the strongest Christians are autistic.
>
> > There's a fucking schocker!!!!!
>
> God loves them, too. :)

Yeah. He loved them so much he made them autistic.

>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

[Dag Yo]

Do you think it's possible that Brock really doesn't understand that
expanded explanations can exist for such points of view?

[Brock Organ]

You make it sound so bad. :)

Regards,

Brock

[Drafterman]

Why don't you go out and convince some parents with autistic children
how good it is?

>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

[zen cycle]

> Subject: [AvC] Re: Is Brock Organ autistic?

> From: thede...@fastmail.fm

>
> Not only is religious faith indiscernable from delusion, but
> everything I've read about the relationship between religious faith
> and mental illness points towards a positive correlation between faith
> and :
>
> 1) schizophrenia
> 2) autism
> 3) mental retardation
>

 believe MRIs show activity in the same parts of the brain as well

---

How well do you know your celebrity gossip? Talk celebrity smackdowns here.

[Brock Organ]

Why?

Regards,

Brock

[Drafterman]

To brighten up their day.

>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

[scooter]

Hahahahaha...outstanding, Dev.

On Mar 20, 7:55 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> From ourspecialkids.org: "Autism impacts the normal development of the
> brain in the areas of social interaction and communication skills.
> Children and adults with autism typically have difficulties in verbal
> and non-verbal communication, social interactions, and leisure or play
> activities. The disorder makes it hard for them to communicate with
> others and relate to the outside world. In some cases, aggressive and/
> or self-injurious behavior may be present. Persons with autism may
> exhibit repeated body movements (hand flapping, rocking), unusual
> responses to people or attachments to objects and resistance to
> changes in routines."
>
> Now, what we're going to do here is examine how Brock responded to
> people on a recent thread, which is pretty much how he always does it,
> and then I will re-post a segment from the movie _Rain Man_, about an
> autistic man played by Dustin Hoffman named Raymond.
>
> ---
>
> From the science fiction story thread:
>
> Brock: Not a particularly great story.
>
> Drafterman (making fun of something Brock has repeated a million
> times): Its objective truth is independent of your beliefs.
>
> Brock: My point was that its not a particularly great story.
>
> bonfly: Its objective wonderfulness lies beyond Brock's capacity to
> understand.
>
> Brock: I prefer the Bible.
>
> Drafterman: Its objective greatness is independent of your beliefs.
>
> Brock: I prefer the Bible.
>
> Drafterman (still miming Brock): Its objective greatness in excess of
> that of the Bible is independent
> of your preferences.
>
> Brock: Just pointing out that I prefer the Bible. :)
>
> rappoccio: Still pointing out that the stories are identical.
>
> Brock: I prefer the Bible.
>
> ---
>
> From _Rain Man_:
>
> Raymond: These are not boxer shorts. Mine are boxer shorts. These are
> Hanes 32.
>
> Charlie: Underwear is underwear, Ray.
>
> Raymond: My boxer shorts have my name and it says Raymond.
>
> Charlie: All right, when we pass the store, we'll pick you up a pair
> of boxer shorts.
>
> Raymond: I get my boxer shorts at K-Mart in Cincinnati.
>
> Charlie: We're not going back to Cincinnati, Ray, so don't even start
> with that.
>
> Raymond: Gotta get my boxer shorts at K-Mart.
>
> Charlie: [Pulls over, gets out of the car and yells] WHAT DIFFERENCE
> DOES IT MAKE WHERE YOU BUY UNDERWEAR? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
> UNDERWEAR IS UNDERWEAR! IT IS UNDERWEAR WHEREVER YOU BUY IT! IN
> CINCINNATI OR WHEREVER!
>
> Raymond: K-Mart!
>
> Charlie: You know what I think, Ray? I think this autism is a bunch of
> shit! Because you can't tell me that you're not in there somewhere!
>
> Raymond: Boxer shorts. K-Mart!
>
> ---
>
> Now, obviously Deidzoeb if he's reading will bitch about how this is
> politically incorrect towards autistic people and blah blah blah, but
> hopefully his mouth is a little preoccupied with Mike's dick at the
> moment. You've got to admit the resemblance here is uncanny. What do

[Brock Organ]

What noble motives you cite. :)

Regards,

Brock

[Aidan]

Unless the consistant use of the salutation "Regards" is deemed
autistic, I doubt Brock is.

On Mar 21, 4:21 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:11 PM, zencycle wrote:
>

[Drafterman]

Cited by me, ignored by you.

>
> Regards,
>
> Brock

[Phillip Montgomery]

I know an autistic.  What exactly is it that makes you think Brock autistic?  He repeats phrases and sentences?

Has anyone asked Brock if he is autistic?  It is my understanding that autism is now more a spectrum of various disorders ranging from what was in the past dubbed retardation to milder forms like Aspergers.  It might be difficult to label Brock or anyone else autistic. 

In any case, I leave the question.  Brock, are you autistic?  For that matter, out of curiosity, is anyone else here autistic?  Does that impact your atheism/theism?

--
Phillip Montgomery
Blog at
http://philtheinfidel.blogspot.com/

[zen cycle]

> Subject: [AvC] Re: Is Brock Organ autistic? > From: amacph...@gmail.com > > Unless the consistant use of the salutation "Regards" is deemed > autistic, I doubt Brock is. > There's quite a bit of evidence supporting the affirmative. Just click on his 'profile' and follow the links to his postings.

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[zen cycle]

From: phill...@gmail.com

Subject: [AvC] Re: Is Brock Organ autistic?

I know an autistic.  What exactly is it that makes you think Brock autistic?  He repeats phrases and sentences?

oh
my
fucking
god


dude, just sit back and read for a while. The only thing he's missing are the nervous twitches.

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[Brock Organ]

Its a gentle rebuke, as I don't believe your motives behind the
suggestion are particularly noble.

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:53 PM, Phillip Montgomery wrote:

> I know an autistic.  What exactly is it that makes you think Brock
> autistic?  He repeats phrases and sentences?
>
> Has anyone asked Brock if he is autistic?  It is my understanding that
> autism is now more a spectrum of various disorders ranging from what
> was in the past dubbed retardation to milder forms like Aspergers.  It
> might be difficult to label Brock or anyone else autistic. 
>
> In any case, I leave the question.  Brock, are you autistic?  For that
> matter, out of curiosity, is anyone else here autistic?  Does that
> impact your atheism/theism?

http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/msg/
a95d24265159c032

Regards,

Brock

[bonfly]

from http://ani.autistics.org/dsm4-autism.html

I) a diagnosis of autism requires a total of six (or more) items from
a set list (see reference above). Here's Brocks six ~

1. failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental
level

2. a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or
achievements with other people,

3. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic
language

4. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative
play appropriate to developmental level

5. encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and
restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity
or focus

6. apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines
or rituals


On Mar 23, 1:50 pm, zen cycle <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: phillipm...@gmail.com

> Subject: [AvC] Re: Is Brock Organ autistic?
>
> I know an autistic. What exactly is it that makes you think Brock autistic? He repeats phrases and sentences?
>
> oh
> my
> fucking
> god
>
> dude, just sit back and read for a while. The only thing he's missing are the nervous twitches.
>

> _________________________________________________________________
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[zencycle]

On Mar 22, 10:53 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I know an autistic. What exactly is it that makes you think Brock
> autistic? He repeats phrases and sentences?
>

> From: brock...@gmail.com
> Subject: [AvC] Re: What are God's attributes --besides being extravagant?
>
> On Mar 22, 2008, at 10:07 PM, zencycle wrote:
> > On Mar 22, 9:09 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mar 22, 2008, at 2:04 AM, Lawrey wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't associate me with the devil, I belong to Christ.
> >>
> >
> > God and satan have an extremely close relationship, some would
> > characterize as intimate. If you belong to god, you have a
> > relationship with satan.
>
> Don't associate me with the devil, I belong to Christ.
>

Any questions?

[Phillip Montgomery]

Zen Cycle:

Any questions?

I know an autistic.  What exactly is it that makes you think Brock autistic?  He repeats phrases and sentences?

[zencycle]

I get your point, but you'll be unable to keep it up as long as he
does.

On Mar 23, 1:00 am, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Zen Cycle:
>
> > Any questions?
>
> I know an autistic. What exactly is it that makes you think Brock
> autistic? He repeats phrases and sentences?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 12:54 AM, zencycle <zency...@bikerider.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 22, 10:53 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I know an autistic. What exactly is it that makes you think Brock
> > > autistic? He repeats phrases and sentences?
>

[Phillip Montgomery]

Maybe he's just persistent.  In any case, the autistic individual I know does not repeat sentences par se, but he does stay obsessed with this or that subject for a long time.  In any case, I read Brock's brief statement.  Perhaps he will repeat it as well.

By the by, Zen Cycle, are you a follower of Zen?

[zen cycle]

From: phill...@gmail.com

Subject: [AvC] Re: Is Brock Organ autistic?

> Maybe he's just persistent

A persistent bloviating shitbag......

> Zen Cycle, are you a follower of Zen?

I studied it for a short time, but it wasn't right for me. I did take away a few lessons, mostly focusing on the self to achieve a goal, 'active meditation', if you will. I apply it to running and cycling races. I always did find the 'sweet spot' in cycling to be cathartic, and looking into zen and medition really helped to focus my training and show better results.

[Drafterman]

A matter of interpretation. Of course my intentions aren't noble. I
don't believe autism is a good thing so I don't believe lying to
parents about it is noble.

You do believe it's a good thing, so you should think telling the
parents about it is noble. The only question is, why aren't you? You
seem to be spending a lot of time avoiding the aleviation of pain of
others. How very Christian of you.

[Brock Organ]

You've taken my point then.

> I don't believe autism is a good thing so I don't believe lying to
> parents about it is noble.

My point was:

>> Some of the strongest Christians are autistic.
> There's a fucking schocker!!!!!

God loves them, too. :)

> You do believe it's a good thing, so you should think telling the

> parents about it is noble.

See my point above for what I think. :)

> The only question is, why aren't you? You
> seem to be spending a lot of time avoiding the aleviation of pain of
> others. How very Christian of you.

I believe I have responded well to the question titling this thread:

> What do
> you think, guys? Is Broke Organ autistic?

"I don't believe so."

Regards,

Brock

[Dev]

In reality, I am far from being literally sure that Brock Organ is
autistic. We have no way of knowing that. I think you took the post a
little too literally. The point of the post was simply that Brock
Organ's posting style is eerily similar to Raymond's dialogue from
_Rain Man_, and that the diagnosis of "autistic" would explain a lot
about his posting style. Brock does not converse, on this group, like
a person of sound mental health. At all. This is probably because
Christianity discourages intelligent discourse, which is why it is so
rare to find a Christian here who actually "debates" at anywhere near
the adult standards that the atheists do. But Brock, after you've
attempted to debate him a few times, has a pretty unique kind of non-
response where he repeats the same things over and over exclusive of
what anyone else is actually talking about. Like an autistic, he shuts
himself out of the external discussion in favor of some kind of
repetitive, internal dialogue exclusive of anything anyone else says
to him. There is _something_ seriously wrong with him--it's just a
matter of speculation regarding what it's actually called.

On Mar 22, 8:53 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Blog athttp://philtheinfidel.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text -

[Trance Gemini]

On Mar 23, 10:10 am, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> In reality, I am far from being literally sure that Brock Organ is
> autistic. We have no way of knowing that. I think you took the post a
> little too literally. The point of the post was simply that Brock
> Organ's posting style is eerily similar to Raymond's dialogue from
> _Rain Man_, and that the diagnosis of "autistic" would explain a lot
> about his posting style. Brock does not converse, on this group, like
> a person of sound mental health. At all. This is probably because
> Christianity discourages intelligent discourse, which is why it is so
> rare to find a Christian here who actually "debates" at anywhere near
> the adult standards that the atheists do. But Brock, after you've
> attempted to debate him a few times, has a pretty unique kind of non-
> response where he repeats the same things over and over exclusive of
> what anyone else is actually talking about. Like an autistic, he shuts
> himself out of the external discussion in favor of some kind of
> repetitive, internal dialogue exclusive of anything anyone else says
> to him. There is _something_ seriously wrong with him--it's just a
> matter of speculation regarding what it's actually called.

Very nicely explained, Dev :-)

> > Blog athttp://philtheinfidel.blogspot.com/-Hide quoted text -

[Dev]

I think it's possible he doesn't care. Theists don't believe in God
for more rational reasons than others, even though some of them give
more rational-sounding explanations. It's a matter of rationalization
that is contingent largely on intelligence. An idiot doesn't need to
rationalize a delusion as much as a smarter person does because
idiots, being more easily convinced, have lower-maintenance delusions.
Brock's delusions seem to be maintained by simple repetition of
asserting the validity of the delusion. That's all his mental state
really requires.

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[Drafterman]

You've dishonestly left out the part where you implied autism isn't
bad.

[Phillip Montgomery]

Like an autistic, he shuts
himself out of the external discussion in favor of some kind of
repetitive, internal dialogue exclusive of anything anyone else says
to him.

I see.  Then my friend who dwells endlessly on this or that subject really does have a problem.  In any case, he is a Christian but he is a bit more of an intelligent one, dwelling on problems and trying to solve them.  It is rather humourous when I introduce him to ideas that we take for granted, only to see him marvel at their originality.  I suppose there are two ways of looking at that kind of behaviour.  Perhaps it is an example of the beginner's mind, always seeing the world anew (Zen Cycle, I am sure you may be able to relate to this) or perhaps it betrays a stupid naivete.

[Dev]

I wouldn't call Brock Zen-like. If anything, his closed internal
dialogue is exactly what Zen people are trying to avoid during
meditation.

On Mar 23, 1:54 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

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[Dag Yo]

I hadn't thought of it quite that way before, but i'll go with it --
it doesn't matter if he understands what he's talking about if
explanations are unnecessary.

[Brock Organ]

My point:

> God loves them, too. :)

Regards,

Brock

[scooter]

On Mar 24, 9:37 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My point:
>
> > God loves them, too. :)

My point: Then why did he make them autistic?

[Brock Organ]

I certainly don't blame Him for what He's done. :)

Regards,

Brock

[scooter]

It was an accident?

[Dev]

Why is it that the only all-powerful, omniscient being in The Universe
is the only one who is absolved from any responsibility for His
actions?

[Keith MacNevins]

Who is worthy to judge the all-powerful, omniscient being? You?

--
Ambassador From Hell

[Brock Organ]

I think that I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Keith MacNevins <kmacn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who is worthy to judge the all-powerful, omniscient being? You?

Timeless, excellent answer. :)

Regards,

Brock

--
--- brock...@gmail.com ---
"This could lead to excellence ... or serious injury" -- TMBG

[scooter]

On Mar 25, 1:11 pm, "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:42 PM, scooter <scooter.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >  On Mar 24, 10:38 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:42 PM, scooter wrote:
>
> >  > > On Mar 24, 9:37 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  > >> My point:
>
> >  > >>> God loves them, too. :)
>
> >  > > My point: Then why did he make them autistic?
>
> >  > I certainly don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >  It was an accident?
>
> I think that I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)

This is an ambiguous statement. Above, you say you "certainly" don't
blame him. Here, you say "I think that I don't blame him." That is
quite a difference.

Further, when absolving him of blame you imply that he is not
responsible. If he is not responsible then who or what is responsible?
Did he not create those with autism? Is he not also the creator of
autism?

You can't have your cake and eat it too, Brock. If he's the creator of
all the universe, he's also the creator of autism and is therefore
responsible for their plight.

[scooter]

On Mar 24, 10:59 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Who is worthy to judge the all-powerful, omniscient being? You?

I don't consider your claims of "his" existence to be either all-
powerful nor omniscient.

>
> On 3/24/08, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Why is it that the only all-powerful, omniscient being in The Universe
> > is the only one who is absolved from any responsibility for His
> > actions?
>
> > On Mar 24, 9:38 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:42 PM, scooter wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 24, 9:37 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> My point:
>
> > > >>> God loves them, too. :)
>
> > > > My point: Then why did he make them autistic?
>
> > > I certainly don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> > > Regards,
>
> > > Brock
>
> --

> Ambassador From Hell- Hide quoted text -

[Keith MacNevins]

Atlas shrugs.

[Brock Organ]

He's not culpable for sin.

Regards,

Brock

[scooter]

On Mar 25, 2:11 pm, "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM, scooter <scooter.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >  On Mar 25, 1:11 pm, "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:42 PM, scooter <scooter.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  > > >  On Mar 24, 10:38 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > >  > On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:42 PM, scooter wrote:
>
> >  > >  > > On Mar 24, 9:37 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  > >  > >> My point:
>
> >  > >  > >>> God loves them, too. :)
>
> >  > >  > > My point: Then why did he make them autistic?
>
> >  > >  > I certainly don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >  > >  It was an accident?
>
> >  > I think that I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >  This is an ambiguous statement. Above, you say you "certainly" don't
> >  blame him. Here, you say "I think that I don't blame him." That is
> >  quite a difference.
>
> I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)

Your display of dissonance and ambiguity is noted.

>
> >  Further, when absolving him of blame you imply that he is not
> >  responsible. If he is not responsible then who or what is responsible?
> >  Did he not create those with autism? Is he not also the creator of
> >  autism?
>
> >  You can't have your cake and eat it too, Brock. If he's the creator of
> >  all the universe, he's also the creator of autism and is therefore
> >  responsible for their plight.
>
> He's not culpable for sin.

You are not in a position to declare what is or is not sin. Further,
you are existentially defining 1) giving someone autism is a sin and;
2) the responsibility of your god is limited to those things *you*
define as "good."

The word convoluted does not do your "reasoning" justice.

[Brock Organ]

I just note:

He's not culpable for sin. :)

Regards,

Brock

[Dag Yo]

> > You can't have your cake and eat it too, Brock. If he's the creator of
> > all the universe, he's also the creator of autism and is therefore
> > responsible for their plight.
>
> He's not culpable for sin.

Brock stop saying things that you can't possibly know to be true as if
you do know them to be true. It just makes you sound like a fucking
liar.

On Mar 25, 11:11 am, "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

[scooter]

On Mar 25, 4:07 pm, "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:50 PM, scooter <scooter.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >  On Mar 25, 2:11 pm, "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM, scooter <scooter.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >  > >  On Mar 25, 1:11 pm, "Brock Organ" <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:42 PM, scooter <scooter.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  > >  > > >  On Mar 24, 10:38 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  > >  > >  > On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:42 PM, scooter wrote:
>
> >  > >  > >  > > On Mar 24, 9:37 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >  > >  > >  > >> My point:
>
> >  > >  > >  > >>> God loves them, too. :)
>
> >  > >  > >  > > My point: Then why did he make them autistic?
>
> >  > >  > >  > I certainly don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >  > >  > >  It was an accident?
>
> >  > >  > I think that I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >  > >  This is an ambiguous statement. Above, you say you "certainly" don't
> >  > >  blame him. Here, you say "I think that I don't blame him." That is
> >  > >  quite a difference.
>
> >  > I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >  Your display of dissonance and ambiguity is noted.
>
> I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)

Too late, Brock. Your dissonance is already on display.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  > >  Further, when absolving him of blame you imply that he is not
> >  > >  responsible. If he is not responsible then who or what is responsible?
> >  > >  Did he not create those with autism? Is he not also the creator of
> >  > >  autism?
>
> >  > >  You can't have your cake and eat it too, Brock. If he's the creator of
> >  > >  all the universe, he's also the creator of autism and is therefore
> >  > >  responsible for their plight.
>
> >  > He's not culpable for sin.
>
> >  You are not in a position to declare what is or is not sin. Further,
> >  you are existentially defining 1) giving someone autism is a sin and;
> >  2) the responsibility of your god is limited to those things *you*
> >  define as "good."
>
> >  The word convoluted does not do your "reasoning" justice.
>
> I just note:
>
> He's not culpable for sin. :)

I just note:

You are not in a position to declare what is or is not sin. Further,
you are existentially defining 1) giving someone autism is a sin and;
2) the responsibility of your god is limited to those things *you*
define as "good."

BTW, that makes you an existentialist for the fact that you, Brock, a
human, are defining your reality.

[Phillip Montgomery]

My friend considers his autism a gift from God.  I always remind him, however, that it is high-functioning autism and still gives rise in him to a lack of social skills.

[Brock Organ]

On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Dag Yo wrote:

>
>>> You can't have your cake and eat it too, Brock. If he's the creator
>>> of
>>> all the universe, he's also the creator of autism and is therefore
>>> responsible for their plight.
>>
>> He's not culpable for sin.
> Brock stop saying things that you can't possibly know to be true as if
> you do know them to be true. It just makes you sound like a fucking
> liar.

God is not culpable for sin. :)

Regards,

Brock

[Brock Organ]

Well, I don't blame Him for what He's done. Further, I certainly don't
blame Him for what He's done, and I think I don't blame Him for what
He's done. :)

Sounds pretty consonant to me. :)

>>>  > >  Further, when absolving him of blame you imply that he is not
>>>  > >  responsible. If he is not responsible then who or what is
>>> responsible?
>>>  > >  Did he not create those with autism? Is he not also the
>>> creator of
>>>  > >  autism?
>>
>>>  > >  You can't have your cake and eat it too, Brock. If he's the
>>> creator of
>>>  > >  all the universe, he's also the creator of autism and is
>>> therefore
>>>  > >  responsible for their plight.
>>
>>>  > He's not culpable for sin.
>>
>>>  You are not in a position to declare what is or is not sin. Further,
>>>  you are existentially defining 1) giving someone autism is a sin
>>> and;
>>>  2) the responsibility of your god is limited to those things *you*
>>>  define as "good."
>>
>>>  The word convoluted does not do your "reasoning" justice.
>>
>> I just note:
>>
>> He's not culpable for sin. :)
>
> I just note:
>
> You are not in a position to declare what is or is not sin.

I believe the testimony of the Bible. He's not culpable for sin. :)

> Further,
> you are existentially defining 1) giving someone autism is a sin

No I don't make that claim.

> and;
> 2) the responsibility of your god is limited to those things *you*
> define as "good."

God is not limited by what I think of Him. :)

> BTW, that makes you an existentialist for the fact that you, Brock, a
> human, are defining your reality.

I do not subscribe to existential premises. :)

Regards,

Brock

[scooter]

On Mar 25, 8:51 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>  > >  > >  > >> My point:
>
> >>>  > >  > >  > >>> God loves them, too. :)
>
> >>>  > >  > >  > > My point: Then why did he make them autistic?
>
> >>>  > >  > >  > I certainly don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >>>  > >  > >  It was an accident?
>
> >>>  > >  > I think that I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >>>  > >  This is an ambiguous statement. Above, you say you "certainly"
> >>> don't
> >>>  > >  blame him. Here, you say "I think that I don't blame him."
> >>> That is
> >>>  > >  quite a difference.
>
> >>>  > I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> >>>  Your display of dissonance and ambiguity is noted.
>
> >> I don't blame Him for what He's done. :)
>
> > Too late, Brock. Your dissonance is already on display.
>
> Well, I don't blame Him for what He's done.  Further, I certainly don't
> blame Him for what He's done, and I think I don't blame Him for what
> He's done. :)
>
> Sounds pretty consonant to me. :)

Too late, Brock. Your dissonance is already on display. Scroll up.

You already did. You "don't blame him" for giving others autism.

And:

Me: You can't have your cake and eat it too, Brock. If he's the

creator of
> all the universe, he's also the creator of autism and is therefore
> responsible for their plight.

Your response:

He's not culpable for sin.

As per your response, you clearly think the plight of those given
autism is sinful. Yet you absolve your god of responsability.

>
> > and;
> > 2) the responsibility of your god is limited to those things *you*
> > define as "good."
>
> God is not limited by what I think of Him. :)

Actually, he is. Because thats all you can do is think about him. You
cant touch himsmell him or see him. Hence, you decide what's "sinful"
and whats good. You credit him with what you think is good and absolve
him of responsibility for things you deem "sinful". This thread has
been another perfect example of you existentially defining your
reality.

>
> > BTW, that makes you an existentialist for the fact that you, Brock, a
> > human, are defining your reality.
>
> I do not subscribe to existential premises. :)

Thats your unsubstantiated and religiously inspired claim that does
not square with the facts.