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  <title type="text">Atheism vs Christianity Google Group</title>
  <subtitle type="text">
  Atheism vs Christianity is off-line for the time being because Google has identified us as a spam host. We have a new, hopefully temporary, site at http://groups.google.com/group/atheism-v-christianity.
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  <updated>2009-07-06T22:55:41Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>thelordmemnoch</name>
  <email>thelordmemn...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T22:55:41Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/db20073e7a8ce60e/ee59b3470167f697?show_docid=ee59b3470167f697</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/db20073e7a8ce60e/ee59b3470167f697?show_docid=ee59b3470167f697"/>
  <title type="text">I need Christian opinions on this</title>
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  I have had several debates with Christians regarding how long a &amp;quot;day&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; is in the bible. The problem with this is that opinion is divided by &lt;br&gt; members of the same denomination. Some cling to the young earth theory &lt;br&gt; and others have a different opinion on it. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;The bible is pretty tricky about it&#39;s wording ( surprise, surprise)
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  <author>
  <name>manny</name>
  <email>daf...@googlemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T22:37:25Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/8c9455fe0a822233/b640ba57b0b0f85b?show_docid=b640ba57b0b0f85b</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/8c9455fe0a822233/b640ba57b0b0f85b?show_docid=b640ba57b0b0f85b"/>
  <title type="text">Re: The religion 101 test ...</title>
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  Well, you west all your time to tell us some history of human &lt;br&gt; believe. Human are human they have something we call ego and this ego &lt;br&gt; drive them to do things, say things and all those shit like you just &lt;br&gt; did, long before you, but I mean but, it had nothing to do with the &lt;br&gt; almighty God, nothing. You&#39;re but a tiny sperm...
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Neil Kelsey</name>
  <email>neil_kel...@hotmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T22:33:29Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/16ea54279517853f/25b7566c86973c55?show_docid=25b7566c86973c55</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/16ea54279517853f/25b7566c86973c55?show_docid=25b7566c86973c55"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Someone Asked, What are the Christians Waiting For?</title>
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  Ah, so you choose to be deranged in order to prove your manliness. &lt;br&gt; That makes sense. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I prefer women.
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  <author>
  <name>Brock</name>
  <email>brockor...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T22:14:54Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/3a438f19041603f3/c16061f6eccb212d?show_docid=c16061f6eccb212d</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/3a438f19041603f3/c16061f6eccb212d?show_docid=c16061f6eccb212d"/>
  <title type="text">OT: Heavy snoring can be a danger sign</title>
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  Dear AvC friends, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Please consider: If you have symptoms similar to these, please tell &lt;br&gt; your doctor ... I have had sleep apnea for a long time (perhaps even &lt;br&gt; for the last ~10 years!), and didn&#39;t realize it, and was feeling bad &lt;br&gt; health effects from it. Now I&#39;m getting treatment for it and it makes
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  <author>
  <name>manny</name>
  <email>daf...@googlemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T22:12:53Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/e373e74134d0f16d/8f38927859425973?show_docid=8f38927859425973</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/e373e74134d0f16d/8f38927859425973?show_docid=8f38927859425973"/>
  <title type="text">Re: 40th anniversary of gay rights uprising</title>
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  Well, I didn&#39;t know most of you guys are gays? I thought some of you &lt;br&gt; are, because for some how, you blame God or just against God will for &lt;br&gt; your own selfish reasons, but to see, so many of you dick suckers &lt;br&gt; wohhhh! what can I say, enjoy what are you doing, after all you&#39;re in &lt;br&gt; adult and it&#39;s normal and morally acceptable for adult like you to do
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>philosophy</name>
  <email>smwil...@tpg.com.au</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T21:59:50Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/8001d99b950d7c5f/023fdb229a5e1665?show_docid=023fdb229a5e1665</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/8001d99b950d7c5f/023fdb229a5e1665?show_docid=023fdb229a5e1665"/>
  <title type="text">Re: OT: Is there a difference between racial pride and racism?</title>
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  If a person simply has self respect and does not laud things over &lt;br&gt; others, then I see no problem. The problem comes when any of the other &lt;br&gt; meanings listed below are enacted on. The question you posit is about &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;racial pride&amp;quot;, so as a qualifier, I would suggest that there is no &lt;br&gt; difference between racial pride and racism IF the person who has it,
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Neil Kelsey</name>
  <email>neil_kel...@hotmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T21:55:04Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/deb4524d39e35cb5/49884e45512214ef?show_docid=49884e45512214ef</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/deb4524d39e35cb5/49884e45512214ef?show_docid=49884e45512214ef"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Do All Atheists Reject Free Will?</title>
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  Right. And I&#39;m saying that it&#39;s weird to use the word &amp;quot;control&amp;quot; in &lt;br&gt; that context, since control implies intent. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;No I&#39;m not. I think psychoanalysis is a valid scientific field, and I &lt;br&gt; don&#39;t think human behaviour is beyond scientific analysis, at all. &lt;br&gt; (I&#39;m a big fan of Freud) I also think humans are going to exhibit a
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Walt</name>
  <email>wka...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T21:43:32Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/16ea54279517853f/ea61b98a774335de?show_docid=ea61b98a774335de</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/16ea54279517853f/ea61b98a774335de?show_docid=ea61b98a774335de"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Someone Asked, What are the Christians Waiting For?</title>
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  Maybe God, to pass the time, flies around the universe in a really &lt;br&gt; fast spaceship close to the speed of light (relative to Earth&#39;s &lt;br&gt; inertial reference frame), so that 144 hours on God&#39;s spaceship is &lt;br&gt; equivalent to 5 billion years on Earth. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Only sissy atheists need to avoid having any imagination in order to
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  <author>
  <name>Jason</name>
  <email>jason_gros...@hotmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T21:13:20Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/deb4524d39e35cb5/8865dc6119496635?show_docid=8865dc6119496635</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/deb4524d39e35cb5/8865dc6119496635?show_docid=8865dc6119496635"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Do All Atheists Reject Free Will?</title>
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  Neil, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;The carving of the Grand Canyon is controlled by the flow of water &lt;br&gt; that erodes the rocks. I only meant control in the sense that natural &lt;br&gt; events (including humans) are controlled by explicit and sometimes &lt;br&gt; hidden natural events and not some kind of &amp;quot;personal agency,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;free &lt;br&gt; will&amp;quot; and so forth.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Brock Organ</name>
  <email>brockor...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T21:08:29Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/ab57fc84c8b1e586/98cac47c8a898aab?show_docid=98cac47c8a898aab</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/ab57fc84c8b1e586/98cac47c8a898aab?show_docid=98cac47c8a898aab"/>
  <title type="text">Re: [AvC] Re: What would it take for evolution to produce another human race?</title>
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  I disagree: statistical analyses typically come with loads of &lt;br&gt; pre-suppositions, both explicit and implicit. And atheistic &lt;br&gt; faux-statistical analyses are frequently even worse ... &lt;br&gt; I&#39;m typically more interested in examining the pre-suppositions behind &lt;br&gt; why such methods are thought to be &amp;quot;valid&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;credible&amp;quot;.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Brock Organ</name>
  <email>brockor...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T21:04:29Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/ab57fc84c8b1e586/ddc956faf27fca8f?show_docid=ddc956faf27fca8f</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/ab57fc84c8b1e586/ddc956faf27fca8f?show_docid=ddc956faf27fca8f"/>
  <title type="text">Re: [AvC] Re: What would it take for evolution to produce another human race?</title>
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  I forget you&#39;ve perhaps not had the same forum experience reading &lt;br&gt; posters (such as rappoccio) as I have ... :) &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; Regards, &lt;br&gt; Brock
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Walt</name>
  <email>wka...@yahoo.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T21:02:01Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/be77d5a69e2ed958/ae9730c207cc5b4a?show_docid=ae9730c207cc5b4a</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/be77d5a69e2ed958/ae9730c207cc5b4a?show_docid=ae9730c207cc5b4a"/>
  <title type="text">Re: TAG defeats atheism</title>
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  Depends what you mean by &amp;quot;is&amp;quot;, that is to say &amp;quot;exists&amp;quot;. Existence can &lt;br&gt; mean: &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;1) What physically exists. &lt;br&gt; 2) What is conceived of. &lt;br&gt; 3) What could possibly be conceived of. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;The underlying truth of which you speak always exists under meaning &lt;br&gt; number 3, but so does Santa&#39;s castle at the North Pole.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>hucktunes</name>
  <email>bob.h...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T20:54:24Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/8001d99b950d7c5f/4f3a527c7bf4b37d?show_docid=4f3a527c7bf4b37d</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/8001d99b950d7c5f/4f3a527c7bf4b37d?show_docid=4f3a527c7bf4b37d"/>
  <title type="text">Re: OT: Is there a difference between racial pride and racism?</title>
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  According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, proud comes from late Old &lt;br&gt; English prut, probably from Old French prud &amp;quot;brave, valiant&amp;quot; (11th &lt;br&gt; century) (which became preux in French), from late Latin term prodis &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;useful&amp;quot;, which is compared with the Latin prodesse &amp;quot;be of use&amp;quot;.[2] &lt;br&gt; The sense of &amp;quot;having a high opinion of oneself&amp;quot;, not in French, may
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Brock Organ</name>
  <email>brockor...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T20:28:27Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/558a4a74107d70e8/824a0d578e000d53?show_docid=824a0d578e000d53</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/558a4a74107d70e8/824a0d578e000d53?show_docid=824a0d578e000d53"/>
  <title type="text">Re: [AvC] Re: Democracy is as genuine as the god that inspires us</title>
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  As quoted above, &amp;quot;freedom from the guilt of sin&amp;quot; in the Confession &lt;br&gt; indicates a judicial pardon ... though it is often the case that a &lt;br&gt; believer&#39;s feelings are also affected ... :) &lt;br&gt; There&#39;s nothing fictitious about the testimonies ... &lt;br&gt; That is simplistic: &lt;br&gt; God&#39;s freedom != freedom from God. &lt;br&gt; In particular, license to sin is never an option:
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>LL</name>
  <email>llp...@aol.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2009-07-06T20:21:59Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/1d204bd0246a06a7/2ec18bc27e1da866?show_docid=2ec18bc27e1da866</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/Atheism-vs-Christianity/browse_thread/thread/1d204bd0246a06a7/2ec18bc27e1da866?show_docid=2ec18bc27e1da866"/>
  <title type="text">Re: It&#39;s time for evolutionists to admit mistakes</title>
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  LL: Good question. He might get a slightly better reception if he &lt;br&gt; stopped using that invalid name(especially when sending a manuscript &lt;br&gt; to people who agree with the TOE). In other words it might take them a &lt;br&gt; few minutes longer to reject the manuscript. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;****************************** ********
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