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Ruthie  
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:51:07 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
They don't love because they are scared into it. People get the idea
that an atheist is a devil lover .Far from the truth. Atheist don't
believe in god and definetly don't believe in Satan.

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Subject: Re: [AvC] Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

This is exactly right, and sadly, far too many people do not understand this
very simple fact.


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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
Or ghosts or goblins or Santa or arks or fairies
or...........................

Max

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From: checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net>
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:02:48 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 10:23 am, Max <a...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> Or ghosts or goblins or Santa or arks or fairies
> or...........................

oh! come on Max. you don't need ghosts or goblins and you know it. you
guys have Dev. you love him...or else!!! Dev is your santa, if you are
good to him you get 5 stars. yuk yuk yuk


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From: checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net>
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:04:38 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 8:51 am, Ruthie <willruthie1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> They don't love because they are scared into it. People get the idea
> that an atheist is a devil lover .Far from the truth. Atheist don't
> believe in god and definetly don't believe in Satan.

chx
not believing in satan does not let him go away ;)

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From: Max <a...@bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
Nope, Santa's got fuck all for me this year....I've been naughty

Max

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From: Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:20:14 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
On Dec 2, 5:02 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> oh! come on Max. you don't need ghosts or goblins and you know it. you
> guys have Dev. you love him...or else!!! Dev is your santa, if you are
> good to him you get 5 stars. yuk yuk yuk

chx
Hello, my name be checkers, ar!
I make fun of people who have had mental illnesses and who speak about
it, yuk yuk yuk
Oh, I forgot, be nice to me, I be only 8 years old ha ha ha
Atheists be scarier than Satan himself :)

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:02:53 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
Ruthie,

Atheists support empirical method, guided by pratical experience
and not theory, or paganistic beliefs. Most conform to some
form of humanism and respect humanity for humanities sake.
We hold dear to these high principles in life because we are life
and we know there is no other responsibility more precious
than the presevation of humanity; Why should we not love the
life that you and I share on this earth, it is ours and we are
for each the other responsible. [Not to godthings.]

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:12:54 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 2:04 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> On Dec 2, 8:51 am, Ruthie <willruthie1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > They don't love because they are scared into it. People get the idea
> > that an atheist is a devil lover .Far from the truth. Atheist don't
> > believe in god and definetly don't believe in Satan.

> chx
> not believing in satan does not let him go away ;)

Believing in Satan does not make him exist. +/-

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:29:43 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 4:20 pm, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 2, 5:02 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> > oh! come on Max. you don't need ghosts or goblins and you know it. you
> > guys have Dev. you love him...or else!!! Dev is your santa, if you are
> > good to him you get 5 stars. yuk yuk yuk

> chx
> Hello, my name be checkers, ar!
> I make fun of people who have had mental illnesses and who speak about
> it, yuk yuk yuk
> Oh, I forgot, be nice to me, I be only 8 years old ha ha ha
> Atheists be scarier than Satan himself :)

Answer_42, you have just impersonated me. you used my handle and wrote
something that if anyone sees it at a glance will think i wrote it.
this is in violation of Google rules. you gave no indication that you
are fooling or making a joke. nor do you indicate in quotation.

this happened a little while back to Keith and the first to support
this was Bonfly, followed by Trance. soon Dev and everyone agreed and
the person was banned. once again i am not calling a ban because i
have fun with you. however, the moderators have their work cut out.
consistancy is paramount based on history of AvG.

here is the case the *** indicates the impersonation part;

from Keith;

That is someone impersonating me. I wonder if it is an
ultimatenutcase? Even
the anti-theist moderator will not let you get away with that. Good-
bye to
you.

On 2/2/08, theultimatetruth <theultimateknowle...@gmail.com> wrote:

- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

> Are you kidding me!
> On Feb 3, 3:37 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:

***
> > I am a homosexual who engages in ultimate butt sex with my boyfriend
> > so I have no worries about getting my lover pregnant or anything like
> that.
> > I love to kiss his big hairy balls and really get it on knowing that
> nothing
> > can go wrong inside his colon:

***


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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:36:20 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 6:12 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 2, 2:04 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> > On Dec 2, 8:51 am, Ruthie <willruthie1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > They don't love because they are scared into it. People get the idea
> > > that an atheist is a devil lover .Far from the truth. Atheist don't
> > > believe in god and definetly don't believe in Satan.

> > chx
> > not believing in satan does not let him go away ;)

> Believing in Satan does not make him exist. +/-

chx
we have a stale mate, mate ;)

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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
chx
oh, and as Medusa pointed out back then. it is not the content that
matters so much. just the fact that one is impersonated.

you could do this in other threads where i don't post and i won't even
be aware of it.

On Dec 2, 6:29 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:


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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
chx
you can search for *Abortions* in 'search this group' around page page
7 or 8.

On Dec 2, 6:39 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:


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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 8:36 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

No we don't. You need to show Satan exists for your claim to be true,
and my claim is simply true.

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:57:09 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
Ruthie,

How can you feel love without God? From what I have seen all the
atheists feel is lust. Lust for the flesh, and lust for things. Only
the higher things are pure. Love is purity, not corruption.

Mary Wolls

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:05:46 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
On Dec 2, 11:57 am, mary wolls <marywo...@live.com> wrote:

> Ruthie,

> How can you feel love without God? From what I have seen all the
> atheists feel is lust. Lust for the flesh, and lust for things. Only
> the higher things are pure. Love is purity, not corruption.

I believe you are wrong here.

Love can be defined in many ways.
You have chosen a very narrow way of defining it. In fact, only
christians use that definition.

Here is the general definition from Merriam Webster:
"
1 a  (1): strong affection for another arising out of kinship or
personal ties <maternal love for a child>  (2): attraction based on
sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers  (3):
affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests <love
for his old schoolmates> b: an assurance of love <give her my love>
"

According to that definition, anybody can feel love, no need for an
imaginary being.

Of course, if one does not believe in a magical sky being, one does
not feel love for that being or one does not beleive that they are
being loved by that imaginary being.
However, that does not prevent one from feeling and giving love, as we
all do in our lives.
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-- Ruth Hurmence Green


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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:06:55 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 8:57 am, mary wolls <marywo...@live.com> wrote:

> Ruthie,

> How can you feel love without God?

Provide objective and verifiable evidence that God exists.

> From what I have seen all the
> atheists feel is lust.

I feel slightly gaseous at the moment, so I guess you're wrong.

> Lust for the flesh,

mmmmmm...cannibalism.

> and lust for things.

mmmmmmm...things.

> Only
> the higher things are pure.

What are the "higher things?" Ted Haggard? He was pretty high.

> Love is purity, not corruption.

I bet you're really fun in bed.


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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 6:56 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

chx
nope, actually not one of us made a positive statement at first, so we
are back to a stale mate ;)
oh! but then you go and say your claim is true. sorry dude, the onus
now rests on you to prove your claim. [chuckle]

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:17:50 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 8:57 am, mary wolls <marywo...@live.com> wrote:

> Ruthie,

> How can you feel love without God? From what I have seen all the
> atheists feel is lust. Lust for the flesh, and lust for things. Only
> the higher things are pure. Love is purity, not corruption.

Prove there is God


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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:23:51 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
On Dec 2, 11:29 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

<snip>

> Answer_42, you have just impersonated me. you used my handle and wrote

No, I did not use your handle.
"Answer_42" can be clearly seen in the list of the messages, so
anybody clicking on that message to read it will know it is from me.

> something that if anyone sees it at a glance will think i wrote it.

Again, at a glance, one can clearly see "Answer_42" in the message
list.

> this is in violation of Google rules.

No, it is not.
Making fun of somebody within the text of one's message is not against
any rules.
If I had changed my handle so as to post as if I were you, (i.e. if I
had changed "Answer_42" for "checkers" in the message list) then you
might have a case.

> you gave no indication that you
> are fooling or making a joke. nor do you indicate in quotation.

What about the "ha ha ha" and the smiley?

> this happened a little while back to Keith and the first to support
> this was Bonfly, followed by Trance. soon Dev and everyone agreed and
> the person was banned. once again i am not calling a ban because i
> have fun with you. however, the moderators have their work cut out.

No, they don't. There is no case to speak of.

> consistancy is paramount based on history of AvG.

True, it is important. But I used my own handle to post my message, so
you have no case.

And, finally, I posted in reply to one of your posts... If I had
pretended to be you, I would have posted in reply to somebody else.

<Irrelevant example snipped>
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:24:53 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...

On Dec 2, 9:09 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

Nope, we both made positive statements, and it's irrelevant when they
were made. +/- 000 @@

> oh! but then you go and say your claim is true. sorry dude, the onus
> now rests on you to prove your claim. [chuckle]

So you don't think your claim is true?  [fart]

As for my claim, get a dictionary and look up the word "belief." Then
look up the word "exist." If you manage to read for comprehension, you
too can figure out that existence does not hinge upon belief. That's
perhaps giving you too much credit, but I'm not doing your Grade 5
level homework for you.

But I willl give you an example. People used to believe the world was
flat. Then they found out the world is spherical. So, the flat world
doesn't exist. This illustrates how believing in something doesn't
make it exist. You believe in Satan. That doesn't make Satan exist.

Now, show how "not believing in satan does not let him go away." Or
admit that you don't believe your own bullshit. Or, as usual, dodge
the request with another smirky irrelevant wild raving that is
tantamount to admitting you're full of shit; I don't really give a
fuck one way or the other.


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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:28:45 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
On Dec 2, 11:39 am, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> chx
> oh, and as Medusa pointed out back then. it is not the content that
> matters so much. just the fact that one is impersonated.

> you could do this in other threads where i don't post and i won't even
> be aware of it.

Yes, you are right, if I had used your handle, you would have a case
and it would be serious.
However, I did not use your handle, I made no effort to hide the fact
that it was from me.

So, in short, you have no reason to complain.

If it turns out that making fun of you inside a message of my own -
posted with my handle - is against some rules, I will delete it.
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
On Dec 2, 12:09 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> chx
> nope, actually not one of us made a positive statement at first, so we
> are back to a stale mate ;)
> oh! but then you go and say your claim is true. sorry dude, the onus
> now rests on you to prove your claim. [chuckle]

You really are the poster boy for atheism!
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Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
On Dec 2, 12:06 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

LOL

That was great... I wonder if she will recover!
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:42:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Dec 2 2008 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: Atheist are very loving people. They love because they feel love...
chx
interesting, theultimatetruth used the exact same argument you are
doing right now. it might as well be him typing this reply it is so
identical. he returned under another name for one topic thread to
plead his case to no avail. i can link you to that thread as well if
you wish.

what is more, the post he impersonated Keith in was hidden on the
previous page and i guess Keith opened it and found this. if Keith did
not repost it, no one would have known it even happened. it was hidden
under -show quoted text-
even more, he did not even use keiths handle. he just made it look
like keith wrote it. you took this a step further.

On Dec 2, 7:23 pm, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:


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