My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

[Trance Gemini]

Good Morning All,

I've been giving things a lot of thought. And while I've been an
atheist all of my life, I've found that being on this news group has
been an enlightening and educational experience on religion.

In the past, my explorations on religion have been to talk to the
religious face to face to read the doctrines. As a cynical and
rebellious teenager I found little to hold my attention or interest.

Now, that I'm a mature adult, and have had the opportunity to debate
with the many great religious minds on this site, in particular, Joe,
Brock, Peter W, Deidzoeb, Mike, theultimatetruth, and others, and
while I have done my best and made every effort to refute their
scintillating arguments, I find myself at a loss for words, and
emptiness deep in my heart and soul.

The truth is, that I have no arguments. Guys, you have convinced me.
God exists.

I've decided to make my announcement public that I've converted. Your
arguments were just too strong in the face of mine and other atheists
on this site.

Atheists.

The argument that I found most compelling and difficult to refute was
the following:
TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

Now really, come on. How is this refutable?

Open your eyes, people!

Open your hearts and minds to God.

To my buddies:
I know that you're going to truly disappointed that I've switched
sides, but I just found their arguments too compelling, and you guys
are just Such meanies that, well, you know....

You need to learn some manners. Politeness lends credibility to
argument, don't you get that?

Really, think about it.

Theist Trance.
2008.04.01:08:00AM

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I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would
be to change the word of the living God, and that�s what we need to do
is to amend the Constitution so it's in God�s standards rather than
try to change God's standards.
-- Gov. Mike Huckabee, 1/14/08

[Lawrey]

Trance,

Nice try Kitty. Have a good one! ;))

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­---------------------------------------

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 8:24 am, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Trance,
>
> Nice try Kitty. Have a good one! ;))

I'm perfectly serious, Lawrey.

I'm hurt that you don't believe me.

To the depths of my soul.

[random]

On Apr 1, 3:29 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 8:24 am, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Trance,
>
> > Nice try Kitty. Have a good one! ;))
>
> I'm perfectly serious, Lawrey.
>
> I'm hurt that you don't believe me.
>
> To the depths of my soul.
>
>

Prove there is a soul!

(must... look... serious...)

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 8:33 am, random <random.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 3:29 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 1, 8:24 am, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > Trance,
>
> > > Nice try Kitty. Have a good one! ;))
>
> > I'm perfectly serious, Lawrey.
>
> > I'm hurt that you don't believe me.
>
> > To the depths of my soul.
>
> Prove there is a soul!
>
> (must... look... serious...)

Thank you Random.

Politeness lends credibility to argument.

I see that You understand that concept, unlike some others...

There is a soul because:

TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)

(1) If reason exists then the Soul exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, the Soul exists.

Now, the fact is that the Human Being has three components. Physical,
Spiritual, and Soul.

The Soul is that which makes you ... You! Get it? It's sooooo obvious.
Plain as the nose on your face!!!!!!!!

Hah. Now refute that one, buddy.

Oh, excuse me, that was a little rude. My apologies.

Please present a logical and substantiated argument to refute this.

[random]

You did a good work when you combined your proof with a nice amount of
exclamation points, but this is still not persuasive enough.
Probably because you forgot the caps lock.

CAPS LOCK RULEZ !!1!!

[Trance Gemini]

GOD LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does that complete my scintillating argument effectively?

Does this mean that you are now converting to Theism?

[Lawrey]

Trance'

Which soul would that be, or need I ask?
Some how I think I would like you as an adversary,
so give me the first bat when you get your wings
officially. Can't wait to fly with you. :)
Pity I have come to know you so well, but I see you
haven't taken up my Spanish challenge and I'm
positively miffed!

> > > -- Gov. Mike Huckabee, 1/14/08- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 9:22 am, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Trance'
>
> Which soul would that be, or need I ask?
> Some how I think I would like you as an adversary,
> so give me the first bat when you get your wings
> officially. Can't wait to fly with you. :)
> Pity I have come to know you so well, but I see you
> haven't taken up my Spanish challenge and I'm
> positively miffed!

Politeness lends credibility to argument.

Patience is a virtue.

I have my wings. Now that I've converted, Lawrey, I'm perfect in God's
eyes.

Those who cannot see are blind. Profound isn't it?

We only have one Soul, silly :-).

TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)

(1) If reason exists then the Soul exists.
(2) Reason exists.

(3) Therefore, the Soul exists.

Now, the fact is that the Human Being has three components. Physical,
Spiritual, and Soul.

The Soul is that which makes you ... You! Get it? It's sooooo
obvious.
Plain as the nose on your face!!!!!!!!

Now is this a totally brilliant argument or not? Seriously.

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[floyd_1977]

I had not heard this argument before. I think now there is no choice
but to be a theist. Furthermore, I choose to worship the very
specific
Judeo-Christian god, as I live in a Christian nation, and I want to be
in
the majority.

All you other atheists need to reconsider the evidence. Or, you can
burn in hell for eternity. It's your choice.

God bless.
--Nathan

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor
should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- George H. W. Bush

[Trance Gemini]

YEAH FLOYD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIGHT ON BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (or sister as the case maybe)

Conversions=1

Very cool quote by the way :-)

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I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would
be to change the word of the living God, and that�s what we need to
do
is to amend the Constitution so it's in God�s standards rather than
try to change God's standards.
-- Gov. Mike Huckabee, 1/14/08



>

[Trance Gemini]

Now just to elaborate a little bit on my full argument:

TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

God made Man in His Image.

(1) If God exists, then the Spirit exists.
(2) God exists.
(3) Therefore, the Spirit exists.

(1) If God exists then the Soul exists.
(2) God exists.

(3) Therefore, the Soul exists.

God made Woman from Rib of Man.

(1) If God exists, then he made Man.
(2) God exists.
(3) Therefore, Man exists.

(1) If Man exists, then God made Woman from Man's Rib
(2) Man exists.
(3) Therefore, Woman exists.

Since God made Woman from Man's Rib
Then Woman exists for Man ;-)

Man serves God
Woman serves Man

Tell me you guys don't love that!

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I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would
be to change the word of the living God, and that�s what we need to
do
is to amend the Constitution so it's in God�s standards rather than
try to change God's standards.
-- Gov. Mike Huckabee, 1/14/08

On Apr 1, 9:38 am, floyd_1977 <floyd_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Neil Kelsey]

I think your spelling it still too good. I smell a rat.

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------
> I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would
> be to change the word of the living God, and that�s what we need to
> do
> is to amend the Constitution so it's in God�s standards rather than
> try to change God's standards.

[Trance Gemini]

Rat? EEEEEEEEEEEwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do I have another conversion?

Politeness lends credibility to argument.

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 10:09 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

SEE THE LIGHT BROTHER!

[zencycle]

From: "Trance Gemini" <trance...@gmail.com>
Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

>
> Since God made Woman from Man's Rib
> Then Woman exists for Man ;-)
>
> Man serves God
> Woman serves Man
>
> Tell me you guys don't love that!
>

My name is Dita
I'll be your mistress tonight
I'd like to put you in a trance

If I take you from behind
Push myself into your mind
When you least expect it
Will you try and reject it
If I'm in charge and I treat you like a child
Will you let yourself go wild
Let my mouth go where it wants to

Once you put your hand in the flame
You can never be the same
There's a certain satisfaction
In a little bit of pain
I can see you understand
I can tell that you're the same
If you're afraid, well rise above
I only hurt the ones I love

I don't think you know what pain is
I don't think you've gone that way
I could bring you so much pleasure
I'll come to you when you say
I know you want me
I'm not gonna hurt you
I'm not gonna hurt you, just close your eyes

Only the one that hurts you can make you feel better
Only the one that inflicts pain can take it away

- Erotica by Madonna (abridged)

[Trance Gemini]

Punish me

English

Punish me
punish me
straw turns to gold
and gold turns to stone
your size makes me small
you can be my punisher (yeah)

The Lord God takes
the Lord God gives

Punish me
punish me
you say yes
and I say no
include me in your prayer
before the wind blows even colder
Your size makes me small
you can be my punisher
you can be my punisher

Your size makes me small
you can be my punisher
you can be my punisher
you can be my punisher
your size makes him small
you will be my punishment
the Lord God takes
the Lord God gives
but he only gives to those
whom he also loves
punish me...

--Rammstein


On Apr 1, 11:32 am, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>

[Trance Gemini]

Conversions=2 ;-)

[floyd_1977]

Amen, sister! I can't believe I was once so stupid and lost. I'm
glad that I finally received the divine knowledge that only a certain
number of special (use your own definition of "special") people can
have.

"The Boy Scouts of America maintain that no member can grow into the
best kind of citizen without recognizing his obligation to God." --
Boy Scouts of America, statement on contractual form that is signed by
adult volunteers

[Trance Gemini]

> adult volunteers.

I absolute agree ;-) It takes a very special kind of person to believe
in God.

Theist Trance Mode -> OFF.

<PHEW>

Amazing how easy it is to toss around irrelevancies and make them
appear to make sense ;-)

2008.04.01.12:00PM

[zencycle]

He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
He's got the answers to ease my curiosity
He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity
Your God is dead and no one cares
If there is a Hell I will see you there

He flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep in line
He made a virus that would kill off all the swine
His perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
Demands devotion atrocities done in his name
Your God is dead and no one cares
Drowning in his own hypocrisy
If there is a Hell I will see you there
Burning with your god in humility

Will you die for this?

Heresy by Nine Inch Nails

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From: "Trance Gemini" <trance...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:47 AM
To: "Atheism vs Christianity" <Atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com>

[trog69]

Trancypants, I have to admit; I sure am getting tired of this battle.
But, what if my newly discovered soul dislikes how I dress? How much
voice should I give it?

Thank you for any attention you give to this matter. Hey, bein' nice
is FUN!

On Apr 1, 10:08 am, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
> He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
> He's got the answers to ease my curiosity
> He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity
> Your God is dead and no one cares
> If there is a Hell I will see you there
>
> He flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep in line
> He made a virus that would kill off all the swine
> His perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
> Demands devotion atrocities done in his name
> Your God is dead and no one cares
> Drowning in his own hypocrisy
> If there is a Hell I will see you there
> Burning with your god in humility
>
> Will you die for this?
>
> Heresy by Nine Inch Nails
>
> --------------------------------------------------

> From: "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>

[Lawrey]

Trance,

Holy Mary Mother of God! You leave me breathless.

This for you. http//www.youtube.com.watch?v=JUCGwiuV1x8

> >  - Erotica by Madonna (abridged)- Hide quoted text -

[Lawrey]

Trance,

Wrong! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUCGwiuV1x8

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[rappoccio]

Lawdy lawdy! You have SEEEEN THA LIGHT!

Have fun stormin' the castle!

On Apr 1, 7:15 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[rappoccio]

My favorites are

ARGUMENT FROM BIOGENESIS
(1) Where did Adam come from, dummy?
(2) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM ARGUMENTATION
(1) God exists.
(2) [Atheist's counterargument]
(3) Yes he does.
(4) [Atheist's counterargument]
(5) Yes he does!
(6) [Atheist's counterargument]
(7) YES HE DOES!!!
(8) [Atheist gives up and goes home.]
(9) Therefore, God exists.

ARGUMENT FROM EXHAUSTION (abridged)
(1) Do you agree with the utterly trivial proposition X?
(2) Atheist: of course.
(3) How about the slightly modified proposition X'?
(4) Atheist: Um, no, not really.
(5) Good. Since we agree, how about Y? Is that true?
(6) Atheist: No! And I didn't agree with X'!
(7) With the truths of these clearly established, surely you agree
that Z is true as well?
(8) Atheist: No. So far I have only agreed with X! Where is this
going, anyway?
(9) I'm glad we all agree.....
....
(37) So now we have used propositions X, X', Y, Y', Z, Z', P, P', Q
and Q' to arrive at the obviously valid point R. Agreed?
(38) Atheist: Like I said, so far I've only agreed with X. Where is
this going?
....
(81) So we now conclude from this that propositions L'', L''' and J''
are true. Agreed?
(82) I HAVEN'T AGREED WITH ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID SINCE X! WHERE IS
THIS GOING?
....
(177) ...and it follows that proposition HRV, SHQ'' and BTU' are all
obviously valid. Agreed?
(178) [Atheist either faints from overwork or leaves in disgust.]
(179) Therefore, God exists.

[Dev]

And why not? After all, there is nothing immoral about supporting and
perpetuating theism--this, too, has dawned on me on this first of
April. Just because you support something with visible consequences
with full knowledge that these consequences occur in no way connects
the consequences to you. Since history cannot be repeated with all
variables intact except for one, it is stupid to learn from it. There
is no evidence that anything caused anything in history, so it's
reasonable to assert that religion never caused any damage at all.
Besides, Christians say they aren't murderers and murderers _never_
say they aren't murderers. Also, something that has had negative
consequences that is completely necessary and does more good than harm
is exactly the same as something that is completely unnecessary and
does more harm than good. It is all so obvious.

> Open your eyes, people!
>
> Open your hearts and minds to God.
>
> To my buddies:
> I know that you're going to truly disappointed that I've switched
> sides, but I just found their arguments too compelling, and you guys
> are just Such meanies that, well, you know....
>
> You need to learn some manners. Politeness lends credibility to
> argument, don't you get that?
>
> Really, think about it.
>
> Theist Trance.
> 2008.04.01:08:00AM
>

[LL]

On Apr 1, 5:15 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Apr 1, 5:15 am,


LL: We got it. What were you doing up at 5:15 AM anyway?

[zencycle]

That's one for the archives, rapp!

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From: "rappoccio" <rapp...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:09 PM

To: "Atheism vs Christianity" <Atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

>

[ZonkTheBear]

It is with great sorrow that I hereby declare you as lost to the
deluded...

Since you personally claim to be a christian, I have no choise but to
believe you...


Now, for the theist probation time:

Should you behave in a non-jesus-like manner, you will be punished
with a 30 minutes conversion to atheism.

For each subsequent non-jesus-like behaviour, the sentence will be
increased by 30 minutes.

After 5 non-jesus-like behaviours, you will be regarded as a fullblown
atheist for 72 hours before you again will be allowed to call yourself
a christian.


Good luck and may the Schwarz be with you! I will miss you deeply :(

ZtB

> Open your eyes, people!
>
> Open your hearts and minds to God.
>
> To my buddies:
> I know that you're going to truly disappointed that I've switched
> sides, but I just found their arguments too compelling, and you guys
> are just Such meanies that, well, you know....
>
> You need to learn some manners. Politeness lends credibility to
> argument, don't you get that?
>
> Really, think about it.
>
> Theist Trance.
> 2008.04.01:08:00AM
>

[simonsaysbye]

Very very funny.

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 1:08 pm, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>     He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
>     He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
>     He's got the answers to ease my curiosity
>     He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity
>     Your God is dead and no one cares
>     If there is a Hell I will see you there
>
>     He flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep in line
>     He made a virus that would kill off all the swine
>     His perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
>     Demands devotion atrocities done in his name
>     Your God is dead and no one cares
>     Drowning in his own hypocrisy
>     If there is a Hell I will see you there
>     Burning with your god in humility
>
>    Will you die for this?
>
> Heresy by Nine Inch Nails

Good one! :-)

>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 1:19 pm, trog69 <tom.tro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trancypants, I have to admit; I sure am getting tired of this battle.
> But, what if my newly discovered soul dislikes how I dress? How much
> voice should I give it?
>
> Thank you for any attention you give to this matter. Hey, bein' nice
> is FUN!

Isn't it though! FUN FUN FUN ;-)

Your spirit gets first dibs ... Lol. (on the clothes thingy ;-)

Trancypants? LMAO.

Conversions=3!

[ZonkTheBear]

YOU ARE BACK!!!!!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!

:)

> 2008.04.01.12:00PM- Skjul sitert tekst -
>
> - Vis sitert tekst -

[Keith MacNevins]

It would make my day to see her respond: LOL!

--
Ambassador From Hell

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 1:39 pm, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Trance,
>

> Wrong!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUCGwiuV1x8

I'm speechless ... (and trust me you have no idea how hard that is to
do ;-).

Beautiful. Thanks, Lawrey.

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 2:06 pm, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lawdy lawdy! You have SEEEEN THA LIGHT!
>
> Have fun stormin' the castle!

Lol!

[Trance Gemini]

LMAO! You've got to let me put this in my Blog (with mine)!

Perfect!!

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 2:17 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> And why not? After all, there is nothing immoral about supporting and
> perpetuating theism--this, too, has dawned on me on this first of
> April. Just because you support something with visible consequences
> with full knowledge that these consequences occur in no way connects
> the consequences to you. Since history cannot be repeated with all
> variables intact except for one, it is stupid to learn from it. There
> is no evidence that anything caused anything in history, so it's
> reasonable to assert that religion never caused any damage at all.
> Besides, Christians say they aren't murderers and murderers _never_
> say they aren't murderers. Also, something that has had negative
> consequences that is completely necessary and does more good than harm
> is exactly the same as something that is completely unnecessary and
> does more harm than good. It is all so obvious.

... and the made 100% sense ;-) ... I think ... Lol.

That has to go into my Blog too!

[Trance Gemini]

Actually it was 8:15AM here EST. Nope wasn't that dedicated Lol.

[Trance Gemini]

Well ZtB, it took exactly 1 second after 12:00 for me to fail all the
Theist conversion tests and revert to being an atheist. I guess I'm
just not good enough at kissing ass for god ;-)

[Trance Gemini]

HeHe -)

[Trance Gemini]

I'm very happy to see I made your day Keithy ;-)

On Apr 1, 3:49 pm, "Keith MacNevins" <kmacnev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It would make my day to see her respond: LOL!
>

[Keith MacNevins]

The sad thing is she may be right.

On 4/1/08, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

[trog69]

The Group's relief, upon her return, was overwhelming.

Rapp, with viselike arguments like that, I'm sure glad you're on our
side. Signed, Reason.

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 4:10 pm, trog69 <tom.tro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Group's relief, upon her return, was overwhelming.
>
> Rapp, with viselike arguments like that, I'm sure glad you're on our
> side. Signed, Reason.

Aren't we all ;-)

[Simpleton]

On Apr 1, 11:27 am, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 5:15 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Apr 1, 5:15 am,
>
> LL: We got it. What were you doing up at 5:15 AM anyway?
>

Well, she said it in the thread titl...oh wait!

Trance *G*oes Theist!!! *G*oes Theist? What's that?

[Keith MacNevins]

She forgot to add: LOL!

On 4/1/08, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

--
Ambassador From Hell

[Trance Gemini]

Methinks you're the only one that picked up on that ;-).

[rappoccio]

I can't claim credit:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

On Apr 1, 1:44 pm, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That's one for the archives, rapp!
>
> --------------------------------------------------

> From: "rappoccio" <rappoc...@gmail.com>

[rappoccio]

LOL!

[rappoccio]

Read them all at

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

;)

[rappoccio]

Link em from here :

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

;)

[bonfly]

That was a terrific laugh for the morning Trance, I'll be smiling all
day now. (ps. That old pre-suppositionalist argument is the clincher,
isn't it. I mean, how could anyone argue against that ?)

> Open your eyes, people!
>
> Open your hearts and minds to God.
>
> To my buddies:
> I know that you're going to truly disappointed that I've switched
> sides, but I just found their arguments too compelling, and you guys
> are just Such meanies that, well, you know....
>
> You need to learn some manners. Politeness lends credibility to
> argument, don't you get that?
>
> Really, think about it.
>
> Theist Trance.
> 2008.04.01:08:00AM
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[bonfly]

You've been reading too many Joe proofs.

On Apr 1, 11:56 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now just to elaborate a little bit on my full argument:
>

> TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
> (1) If reason exists then God exists.
> (2) Reason exists.
> (3) Therefore, God exists.
>

> God made Man in His Image.
>
> (1) If God exists, then the Spirit exists.
> (2) God exists.
> (3) Therefore, the Spirit exists.
>
> (1) If God exists then the Soul exists.
> (2) God exists.
> (3) Therefore, the Soul exists.
>
> God made Woman from Rib of Man.
>
> (1) If God exists, then he made Man.
> (2) God exists.
> (3) Therefore, Man exists.
>
> (1) If Man exists, then God made Woman from Man's Rib
> (2) Man exists.
> (3) Therefore, Woman exists.
>
> Since God made Woman from Man's Rib
> Then Woman exists for Man ;-)
>
> Man serves God
> Woman serves Man
>
> Tell me you guys don't love that!
>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would
> be to change the word of the living God, and that�s what we need to
> do
> is to amend the Constitution so it's in God�s standards rather than
> try to change God's standards.
> -- Gov. Mike Huckabee, 1/14/08
>

> On Apr 1, 9:38 am, floyd_1977 <floyd_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 4:38 pm, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Link em from here :
>
> http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
>
> ;)

Ah. They were from the same page. I just didn't get down that far. :)

Ok I'll just add the link.

Happy April Fools!

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 4:43 pm, bonfly <anub...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> That was a terrific laugh for the morning Trance, I'll be smiling all
> day now.  (ps. That old pre-suppositionalist argument is the clincher,
> isn't it.  I mean, how could anyone argue against that ?)

Glad you enjoyed it!

Go to the link that Rapp gave. There's tons more even funnier ones :)

[Medusa]

Trance;

> Good Morning All,
>
> I've been giving things a lot of thought. And while I've been an
> atheist all of my life, I've found that being on this news group has
> been an enlightening and educational experience on religion.
>
> In the past, my explorations on religion have been to talk to the
> religious face to face to read the doctrines. As a cynical and
> rebellious teenager I found little to hold my attention or interest.
>
> Now, that I'm a mature adult, and have had the opportunity to debate
> with the many great religious minds on this site, in particular, Joe,
> Brock, Peter W, Deidzoeb, Mike, theultimatetruth, and others, and
> while I have done my best and made every effort to refute their
> scintillating arguments, I find myself at a loss for words, and
> emptiness deep in my heart and soul.
>
> The truth is, that I have no arguments. Guys, you have convinced me.
> God exists.

And a happy Aoril Fool's Day to you, too! <grin>

Medusa

AA #2281

[Trance Gemini]

Brocky and Joe were my models ;-) with a touch of Michael Ewart!

[rappoccio]

On Apr 1, 3:47 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 4:38 pm, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Link em from here :
>
> >http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
>
> > ;)
>
> Ah. They were from the same page. I just didn't get down that far. :)
>
> Ok I'll just add the link.
>
> Happy April Fools!
>

Yar ;)

[Dag Yo]

0_0 say it isn't so Trance...but then I suppose it must be since your
arguments are all too strong for us atheists.

[aside: as always I love you're prose miss, I think I need to catch up
more on your blog just so I can get more of it]

[Medusa]

Zencycle;

Excelent NIN!

Now I have to dig out my CD. . .

Medusa

AA #2281

[Dag Yo]

> Theist Trance Mode -> OFF.
>
> <PHEW>

Seconded, you had me worried when it sounded like Mike's mad
dialectical skillz had you beat.

On Apr 1, 8:05 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:55 am, floyd_1977 <floyd_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 6:11 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 0_0 say it isn't so Trance...but then I suppose it must be since your
> arguments are all too strong for us atheists.

Whoo Hoo! Another convert!

[Medusa]

Trance;

> Brocky and Joe were my models ;-) with a touch of Michael Ewart!

You sounded a little like Slaytwit, too.

Medusa

AA #2281

[Dag Yo]

Don't you and trance think it's about time we have a mostly off-topic
music thread in here?

On Apr 1, 9:08 am, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see
> He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
> He's got the answers to ease my curiosity
> He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity
> Your God is dead and no one cares
> If there is a Hell I will see you there
>
> He flexed his muscles to keep his flock of sheep in line
> He made a virus that would kill off all the swine
> His perfect kingdom of killing, suffering and pain
> Demands devotion atrocities done in his name
> Your God is dead and no one cares
> Drowning in his own hypocrisy
> If there is a Hell I will see you there
> Burning with your god in humility
>
> Will you die for this?
>
> Heresy by Nine Inch Nails
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:47 AM

> To: "Atheism vs Christianity" <Atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.
>
>
>

> >> Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.
>

> >> > Since God made Woman from Man's Rib
> >> > Then Woman exists for Man ;-)
>
> >> > Man serves God
> >> > Woman serves Man
>
> >> > Tell me you guys don't love that!
>

[Trance Gemini]

Lawrey,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSz16ngdsG0&feature=related

;-)


On Apr 1, 1:39 pm, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Trance,
>
> Wrong!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUCGwiuV1x8
>
> On Apr 1, 6:36 pm, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Trance,
>
> > Holy Mary Mother of God! You leave me breathless.
>
> > This for you. http//www.youtube.com.watch?v=JUCGwiuV1x8

> > > >  - Erotica by Madonna (abridged)- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

[Trance Gemini]

Why Thank you!

[Chris]

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and
open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he
with me.

[Trance Gemini]

You forgot this part :-)

Revelation 3:14-19.
14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words
of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's
creation.
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you
were either one or the other!
16 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to
spit you out of my mouth.
17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a
thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor,
blind and naked.
18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can
become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful
nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and
repent.

[Chris]

and your point being dear?

3:20, IMHO, is applicable to many situations, not just to the lukewarm
state of the Laodicean church.

[zen cycle]

> Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

> From: Medus...@yahoo.com

>
> Zencycle;
>
> Excelent NIN!
>
> Now I have to dig out my CD. . .
>

and listen to it LOUD.....

True story -
A former neighbor of mine was quite inept with regards to home electronics. He asked me to make a cassette tape for him (this was about ten yearws ago) as he and his wife were taken a long weekend on marthas vinyard and she wanted to listen to some tunes while she was sunning herself on the beach. She gave me a james taylor cd and a carly simon cd (really...I'm _not_ making this up). So I record the cds, and on side 2 there were about 5 mintues left on the tape. Now mind you, I had only moved into the neighborhodd afew months earlier, and didn't really know the couple very well. Well, as many of you have no doubt been able to ascertain by this point, I'm somewhat of a free spirit. I though it would be fun to put something special on the end of the tape for her. At first I though of Sex by Berlin, but then thought nah, too poppy. Then I thought 'I don't believe' by stabbing westward. nah, too harsh for a tape with carly and james. I settled on Closer by NIN.

 You let me violate you, you let me desecrate you
    You let me penetrate you, you let me complicate you
    Help me I broke apart my insides, help me I’ve got no soul to sell
    Help me the only thing that works for me, help me get away from myself

    I want to fuck you like an animal
    I want to feel you from the inside
    I want to fuck you like an animal
    My whole existence is flawed
    You get me closer to God

    You can have my isolation, you can have the hate that it brings
    You can have my absence of faith, you can have my everything
    Help me tear down my reason, help me it’s your sex I can smell
    Help me you make me perfect, help me become somebody else

    I want to fuck you like an animal
    I want to feel you from the inside
    I want to fuck you like an animal
    My whole existence is flawed
    You get me closer to God

    Through every forest, above the trees
    Within my stomach, scraped off my knees
    I drink the honey inside your hive
    You are the reason I stay alive

I didn't see them for a couple weeks. conflicting schedules. I was over their house on a susequent weekend and asked how the tape turned out. He said "oh yeah. what was that fucked up song at the end? [my wife] was listening to it, and gave it to me and said 'this doesn't sound like james taylor"

---

Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.

[zen cycle]

That could work, 'i'm concerned morons like ruxolo and brock would start positn hymnals though

> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:33:35 -0700

> Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

> From: sir_...@yahoo.com
> To: Atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com

[zen cycle]

revelation Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:04:35 -0700

Chris reveals his inspid twisted mental state.

> Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

> From: chris...@yahoo.com
> To: Atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com

[Trance Gemini]

They're not that bright. Of course now that you gave them the
idea .... ;-)

On Apr 1, 10:29 pm, zen cycle <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> That could work, 'i'm concerned morons like ruxolo and brock would start positn hymnals though
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:33:35 -0700
> > Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

> > From: sir_ro...@yahoo.com

> _________________________________________________________________
> Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MS...

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 1, 10:18 pm, zen cycle <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

> > From: Medusa4...@yahoo.com

Funny. Did you enlighten them?

>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MS...

[Timothy 1:4a]

Yeah, we had a guy like that on our street for a while. You'd hear a
knock and a voice yelling, "Hey!" If you opened the door, he would
walk right past you and start eating your supper. What a jerk! We
finally had to call the cops.

On Apr 1, 8:04 pm, Chris <chrism3...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Lawrey]

Trance,

After that, how could Anyone forget. Charming, I was going to say
soulful in the very truest sense of the word, evocative, emotional
and very romantic and all so early in the morning, for me the very
best time, but then again, any time at all will always strike the
right
chord to the receptive ear. I am tuned to your wave-length.

[philosophy]

No

On Apr 1, 11:31 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 9:22 am, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Trance'
>
> > Which soul would that be, or need I ask?
> > Some how I think I would like you as an adversary,
> > so give me the first bat when you get your wings
> > officially. Can't wait to fly with you. :)
> > Pity I have come to know you so well, but I see you
> > haven't taken up my Spanish challenge and I'm
> > positively miffed!
>
> Politeness lends credibility to argument.
>
> Patience is a virtue.
>
> I have my wings. Now that I've converted, Lawrey, I'm perfect in God's
> eyes.
>
> Those who cannot see are blind. Profound isn't it?
>
> We only have one Soul, silly :-).

>
> TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)

> (1) If reason exists then the Soul exists.
> (2) Reason exists.
> (3) Therefore, the Soul exists.
>
> Now, the fact is that the Human Being has three components. Physical,
> Spiritual, and Soul.
>
> The Soul is that which makes you ... You! Get it? It's sooooo
> obvious.
> Plain as the nose on your face!!!!!!!!
>
> Now is this a totally brilliant argument or not? Seriously.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would
> be to change the word of the living God, and that�s what we need to
> do
> is to amend the Constitution so it's in God�s standards rather than
> try to change God's standards.
> -- Gov. Mike Huckabee, 1/14/08
>
>
>

> > On Apr 1, 1:29 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 1, 8:24 am, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Trance,
>
> > > > Nice try Kitty. Have a good one! ;))
>
> > > I'm perfectly serious, Lawrey.
>
> > > I'm hurt that you don't believe me.
>
> > > To the depths of my soul.

> > > > > Open your eyes, people!
>
> > > > > Open your hearts and minds to God.
>
> > > > > To my buddies:
> > > > > I know that you're going to truly disappointed that I've switched
> > > > > sides, but I just found their arguments too compelling, and you guys
> > > > > are just Such meanies that, well, you know....
>
> > > > > You need to learn some manners. Politeness lends credibility to
> > > > > argument, don't you get that?
>
> > > > > Really, think about it.
>
> > > > > Theist Trance.
> > > > > 2008.04.01:08:00AM
>

> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ­---------------------------------------
> > > > > I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would
> > > > > be to change the word of the living God, and that�s what we need to do
> > > > > is to amend the Constitution so it's in God�s standards rather than
> > > > > try to change God's standards.

> > > > > -- Gov. Mike Huckabee, 1/14/08- Hide quoted text -

[zencycle]

Actually, brocko already followed up my Dear God by XTC post with some
stupid 'jesus loves me' bible camp song.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Trance Gemini" <trance...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:19 AM

[zencycle]

From: "Trance Gemini" <trance...@gmail.com>

Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.
>

>> I didn't see them for a couple weeks. conflicting schedules. I was over
>> their house on a susequent weekend and asked how the tape turned out. He
>> said "oh yeah. what was that fucked up song at the end? [my wife] was
>> listening to it, and gave it to me and said 'this doesn't sound like
>> james taylor"
>
> Funny. Did you enlighten them?

I wouldn't call it that, though he did make a habit of inviting me over for
drinks after that, and I caught his wife looking at me kind of sideways with
a mischievous smirk on more than one occasion.

[Trance Gemini]

Lol. Short and sweet ;-)

[Trance Gemini]

Well you know we could have some fun with that ;-).

What do you think?

This is AvC I mean we can't leave the Christians out can we?

On Apr 2, 8:02 am, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, brocko already followed up my Dear God by XTC post with some
> stupid 'jesus loves me' bible camp song.
>
> --------------------------------------------------

> From: "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 2, 8:04 am, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>

Hmm. Maybe you caught their interest? Lol.

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 2, 2:10 am, Lawrey <lawrenc...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Trance,
>
> After that, how could Anyone forget. Charming, I was going to say
> soulful in the very truest sense of the word, evocative, emotional
> and very romantic and all so early in the morning, for me the very
> best time, but then again, any time at all will always strike the
> right
> chord to the receptive ear. I am tuned to your wave-length.

Sorry. I'm a bit dense in that regard ;-). It's taken me a few months
to actually get it. Lol.

[bonfly]

You've gotta watch shit like that. It could be worse though. I
wouldn't let my kids within 1000 miles of Brock.

On Apr 2, 10:04 pm, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>

[bonfly]

I expect many of us here have stories about 'closer.' I have (all
related to a guy called Cameron Jon Neil and his next door neighbour,
Cyd - "don't throw matches on the roof of my carport" (because I'm too
damn busy spraying the ants off my Runcorn Telecom fuckin' concrete
driveway). You know who the fuck you are Cyd (or was it 'Cess"?).

On Apr 2, 12:18 pm, zen cycle <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

> > From: Medusa4...@yahoo.com

> _________________________________________________________________
> Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MS...

[zencycle]

Oh, to the contrary, He and I spent many weekends into the wee hours
drinking gin and tonics and sneaking a quick toke in the back yard. His wife
loved to lay out by the pool in a bikini, was exceptionally Italian and thus
tanned beautifully, and had the figure that did swimsuits justice. They did
the church thing on easter with their extended family, I think that was it.
Religiosity was never part of our conversations though tales of past
debauchery were common.

From: "bonfly" <anu...@aapt.net.au>
Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

>

[zencycle]

From: "bonfly" <anu...@aapt.net.au>

Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

>

> I expect many of us here have stories about 'closer.' I have (all
> related to a guy called Cameron Jon Neil and his next door neighbour,
> Cyd - "don't throw matches on the roof of my carport" (because I'm too
> damn busy spraying the ants off my Runcorn Telecom fuckin' concrete
> driveway). You know who the fuck you are Cyd (or was it 'Cess"?).
>

Sounds like something out of a cohen brothers movie.

[zencycle]

I guess as long as they stick to the music, and not the bashing of
it........

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Trance Gemini" <trance...@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:14 AM

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 2, 11:12 am, "zencycle" <funkmaste...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I guess as long as they stick to the music, and not the bashing of
> it........

Read your email ;-)

[Medusa]

Zen cycle;

> > Excelent NIN!
>
> > Now I have to dig out my CD. . .

> t

> and listen to it LOUD.....
>
> True story -

Excellent! That sure was no James Taylor!

I remember, back when MTV actually played music, they played the great
video for that song with the "fuck" changed to "fAAHk.

Medusa

AA #2281

[trog69]

"Hey, J-man; Put yer mitt anywhere near that last pork chop, and
you're gonna pull it away with a fork stuck through that nail hole.
Got that?"

[floyd_1977]

On Apr 1, 7:24 pm, Chris <chrism3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> and your point being dear?
>
> 3:20, IMHO, is applicable to many situations, not just to the lukewarm
> state of the Laodicean church.

That's the beautiful part of the Bible. It's vague enough that you
can apply
it to any situation and any point of view. What a blessed book! It
says
everything and nothing all at once. How useful.

[zencycle]

Medusa,
I cross posted a response to this on the music thread

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Medusa" <Medus...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:01 PM

To: "Atheism vs Christianity" <Atheism-vs-...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: [AvC] Re: My Conversion - Trance Goes Theist.

>
>
>

[LL]

LL: I think you've hit the nail on the head about the bible.

[semi]

If we were to be consistant with interpretating Trance's post here,
this will be two responses:

Atheist: He clearly has converted. Look at the proof, he even says
that he converted by taking the time to actually write this testimony.

Christian: I cannot tangibly prove that he is joking, but he has not
converted, and it is obvious.

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Trance Gemini]

On Apr 3, 4:58 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> If we were to be consistant with interpretating Trance's post here,
> this will be two responses:
>
> Atheist: He clearly has converted. Look at the proof, he even says
> that he converted by taking the time to actually write this testimony.
>
> Christian: I cannot tangibly prove that he is joking, but he has not
> converted, and it is obvious.

Prove I didn't convert, Semi ;-)

[Trance Gemini]

Sorry Chris I missed this.

This passage says it best: Revelations 3:19.

19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline.

I don't consider this love.

On Apr 1, 8:24 pm, Chris <chrism3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> and your point being dear?
>
> 3:20, IMHO, is applicable to many situations, not just to the lukewarm
> state of the Laodicean church.
>

> On Apr 1, 5:18 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You forgot this part :-)
>
> > Revelation 3:14-19.
> > 14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words
> > of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's
> > creation.
> > 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you
> > were either one or the other!
> > 16 So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to
> > spit you out of my mouth.
> > 17 You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a
> > thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor,
> > blind and naked.
> > 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can
> > become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful
> > nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
> > 19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and
> > repent.

[Timothy 1:4a]

Anybody know the kids' book, "If you give a moose a muffin" ?
It's one phrase per page, with humorous pictures of the moose
following you into the house to ask for a glass of milk to go with it,
staying to cut out paper dolls and try on your sweater, etc. etc.

Maybe time for a sequel, "If you give Jesus a jelly sandwich" or "If
you give the Christ a carrot".

> > > with me.- Hide quoted text -