Democracy & Theism

[Samir]

Intellectual pursuit is essential for psychological development; but
it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
some extent. Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
decision making process which has many limitations. They want church
to be separated from state. They want theism or even spirituality to
be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
in the political system. On one hand, democracy talks about equal
opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
privileged & unprivileged persons ! This only gives rise to groupism &
very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to
Money" and "Power goes to Power."

[Trance Gemini]

Democracy in conjunction with Capitalism as well as a Social Safety net has successfully balanced the rights of the Individual with the rights of the Society.

In this healthy environment, knowledge, science and social supports have advanced at the fastest rate ever in the history of humankind.

Those countries which take a secular humanist approach like Scandinavia are at the cutting edge of this new world.

Idiots like you who want to take us back into the religious dark ages because these benefits are "temporal" and religion offers "heaven" after we die should give some thought to that.

The only thing that "religion" and "spirituality" have to offer today's world is more ignorance and vague hopes of an after life.

It's your choice to choose that kind of life.

And if you were serious about having that kind of life, you would leave all the benefits that this society and this world have to offer and go into the bush and live there without any of these benefits.

There you could experience your life of spirituality without arrogantly trying to impose it on the rest of us.

Yours is the ultimate hypocrisy.

--
------------------------------------------------
Trance Gemini
Irrationally held "truths" may be more harmful than reasoned errors.
-- Thomas Henry Huxley

Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown

Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown

[TLC]

Theism has been, is now and always will be at loggerheads with
Democracy! Can anyone name a religion which is in the vanguard of the
fight for equality, or human rights? NO! Now, can anyone name a
religion which is in cahoots with those who wish to limit or suppress
Liberty, or human rights? YES! YES! YES! YES!

While religions wish to preach that life is ordained by an invisible,
unfounded myth then religion is and always will be the enemy of
Democracy! Democracy isn't something stagnent, stale nor stupid like
theological belief', democracy is based on reality and life and is
living and evolving. When Democracy becomes only a repetitious word
used by a states political machine it does not only become stagnent
and stale but meaningless to the people. When one hears politico's or
commentators claim that people are apathetic when voting, it normally
means they feel excluded, people in such states should then ask if and
how their facade of Democracy needs changing, not become self obsessed
in a meaningless search for an 'alternative lifestyle.'

[Lawrey]

Trance,

A good response to an old and worn out question.

Todays answers lay in the ability to reason and evaluate yesterdays
answers and the questions arising from them.
The rise of early christianity and the way they resolved all dessent;
answering it with torture and brutal, barbaric, lingering death and or
imprisonment gave rise to questioning of the dark ages that religion
wrought on an unsuspecting world by superstition and false beliefs in
gods written on paper, unknown and unknowable; in a word mysticism.
Question: do we need more? The answer: An emphatic No!

> Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Lawrey <lawre...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Trance,

A good response to an old and worn out question.

Todays answers lay in the ability to reason and evaluate yesterdays
answers and the questions arising from them.
The rise of early christianity and the way they resolved all dessent;
answering it with torture and brutal, barbaric, lingering death and or
imprisonment gave rise to questioning of the dark ages that religion
wrought on an unsuspecting world by superstition and false beliefs in
gods written on paper, unknown and unknowable; in a word mysticism.
Question: do we need more? The answer: An emphatic No!

Exactly! The Renaissance introduced Humanity to the concepts of reason, learning, the ability to critique and understand where we came from so that we could change where we were going.

Religion tried very hard to block the process unsuccessfully.

Our world today exists as it does despite religion not because of it.

We're where we are because intelligent people began the process of moving away from the confines of religious doctrine.

A process that continues today and hopefully will continue tomorrow.
 

[trog69]

Right on, TrancyPants! I would point out that non-theists will
continue to bring our world forward, until they're stopped once again.

On Jul 1, 5:16 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:26 PM, trog69 <tom.t...@gmail.com> wrote:

Right on, TrancyPants! I would point out that non-theists will
continue to bring our world forward, until they're stopped once again.

High Five Trogsy ;-) 

[Observer]

On Jul 1, 2:20 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> Intellectual pursuit is essential for psychological development; but
> it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
> some extent.

Observer
.

I must assume , from the flavor of your post, that you mean to use the
following as the prime definition of temporal. that which endures for
a time only; temporary; transitory (opposed to eternal)

Your statement implies that there exists that which is not temporal .
Please offer proof of such.

Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
> decision making process which has many limitations.

Observer
Communists and intellectuals ? Hmmm Interesting that you should link
them. What are your opinions as to the relative value of each ?

They want church
> to be separated from state. They want theism or even spirituality to
> be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
> in the political system.

Observer

In what way are theism and and spirituality remotely connect to any
process of reasoning. There exists no scientifically verifiable
substantiation of the existence of either a god or a spirit.

Here is what on of our most intelligent founding fathers thought about
the matter.


" History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will
always avail themselves for their own purposes."

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

And further.


"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

On one hand, democracy talks about equal
> opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> privileged & unprivileged persons !

Observer
Do you wish to extend the voting rights only to the privileged , the
underprivileged , or do you just want to be King ?

This only gives rise to groupism

Observer
How does equality in voting bring about conformity? Please elucidate?

&
> very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to
> Money" and "Power goes to Power."

Observer

The most productive in 'most any society tend towards being more
powerful then the less productive. Do you disagree?


Regards

Psychonomist

[LL]

On Jul 1, 2:20 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:

Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
decision making process which has many limitations.

LL: Please name a Communist government that is collaborative with its
people.

[Samir]

On Jul 1, 3:59 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Democracy in conjunction with Capitalism as well as a Social Safety net has
> successfully balanced the rights of the Individual with the rights of the
> Society.
>
> In this healthy environment, knowledge, science and social supports have
> advanced at the fastest rate ever in the history of humankind.
>
> Those countries which take a secular humanist approach like Scandinavia are
> at the cutting edge of this new world.
>
> Idiots like you who want to take us back into the religious dark ages
> because these benefits are "temporal" and religion offers "heaven" after we
> die should give some thought to that.
>
> The only thing that "religion" and "spirituality" have to offer today's
> world is more ignorance and vague hopes of an after life.
>
> It's your choice to choose that kind of life.
>
> And if you were serious about having that kind of life, you would leave all
> the benefits that this society and this world have to offer and go into the
> bush and live there without any of these benefits.
>
> There you could experience your life of spirituality without arrogantly
> trying to impose it on the rest of us.
>
> Yours is the ultimate hypocrisy.

Stupid atheists like you having no scientific temper couldn't have
scribbled anything else.
But for misappropriating large funds in the name of science, worthless
atheists can do nothing. The manner in which you defend worthless
"Evolution Theory" merely constitutes groupism. Only ignorant souls
can call this as "Democracy in conjunction with Capitalism ...."

>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > Intellectual pursuit is essential for psychological development; but
> > it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
> > some extent. Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
> > decision making process which has many limitations. They want church
> > to be separated from state. They want theism or even spirituality to
> > be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
> > in the political system. On one hand, democracy talks about equal
> > opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> > privileged & unprivileged persons ! This only gives rise to groupism &
> > very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to
> > Money" and "Power goes to Power."
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------
> Trance Gemini
> Irrationally held "truths" may be more harmful than reasoned errors.
> -- Thomas Henry Huxley
>
> Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>

[Samir]

On Jul 1, 4:51 pm, TLC <tlc.tere...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Theism has been, is now and always will be at loggerheads with
> Democracy!  Can anyone name a religion which is in the vanguard of the
> fight for equality, or human rights?  NO!  Now, can anyone name a
> religion which is in cahoots with those who wish to limit or suppress
> Liberty, or human rights?   YES! YES! YES! YES!
>
> While religions wish to preach that life is ordained by an invisible,
> unfounded myth then religion is and always will be the enemy of
> Democracy!  Democracy isn't something stagnent, stale nor stupid like
> theological belief', democracy is based on reality and life and is
> living and evolving.

Good joke. What do you say about US presidential candidate Barak Obama
who carries "gambler's lucky chit" with him ? He is likely to be the
head of world's most important democracy. When it comes to exhibiting
stupidity, atheists outperform everyone. Your concept about the
"invisible" seems to be a flawed one.

[Samir]

On Jul 2, 12:45 am, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2:20 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > Intellectual pursuit is essential for psychological development; but
> > it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
> > some extent.
>
> Observer
> .
>
> I must assume , from the flavor of your post, that you mean to use the
> following as the prime definition of temporal. that which  endures for
> a time only; temporary; transitory (opposed to eternal)
>
> Your statement implies that there exists that which is not temporal .
> Please offer proof of such.

As has been mentioned earlier on this discussion board, there exists
something called "Universal Truth" which is NOT subject to the
interpretation by masses.

>
>  Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
>
> > decision making process which has many limitations.
>
> Observer
> Communists and intellectuals ? Hmmm Interesting that you should link
> them. What are your opinions as to the relative value of each ?

Communists may get hurt when they see that you refuse to call
communists as intellectuals.

>
> They want church
>
> > to be separated from state. They want theism or even spirituality to
> > be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
> > in the political system.
>
> Observer
>
> In what way are theism and and spirituality remotely connect to any
> process of reasoning. There exists no scientifically verifiable
> substantiation of the existence of either a god or a spirit.

There exists no scientifically verifiable data that supports
"Evolution Theory".

>
> Here is what on of our most intelligent founding fathers thought about
> the matter.
>
> " History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
> maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
> ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will
> always avail themselves for their own purposes."
>
> -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
>
> And further.
>
> "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
>
> -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
>
> On one hand, democracy talks about equal
>
> > opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> > privileged & unprivileged persons !
>
> Observer
> Do you wish to extend the voting rights only to the privileged , the
> underprivileged , or do you just want to be King ?

Those who exploit others in the name of "science", should NOT have
voting right. Democracy doesn't ensure that. (I am still thinking over
what to do with the ignorant souls who fool themselves by believing in
"Evolution Theory".)
I do not fall in the category of privileged persons. I want to align
with Truth - the ultimate Truth. Of course, I won't mind if I become
king during the process of alignment.

>
>  This only gives rise to groupism
>
> Observer
> How does equality in voting bring about conformity? Please elucidate?

For that you will have to know about "Universal Truth". Correct
knowledge about Almighty ensures conformity.

>
> &
>
> > very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to
> > Money" and "Power goes to Power."
>
> Observer
>
> The most productive in 'most any society tend towards being more
> powerful then the less productive. Do you disagree?

Many a times, one can become powerful even by exploiting the
unprivileged. Everyone in power need not necessarily be efficient.
"groupism" & "favouritism" go hand in hand.
>
> Regards
>
> Psychonomist

[Samir]

On Jul 2, 9:10 am, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2:20 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
>  Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
> decision making process which has many limitations.
>
> LL: Please name a Communist government that is collaborative with its
> people.

See, you are also hurting communist-sentiments...

>
>
>
> > Intellectual pursuit is essential for psychological development; but
> > it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
> > some extent. Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
> > decision making process which has many limitations. They want church
> > to be separated from state. They want theism or even spirituality to
> > be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
> > in the political system. On one hand, democracy talks about equal
> > opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> > privileged & unprivileged persons ! This only gives rise to groupism &
> > very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to

> > Money" and "Power goes to Power."- Hide quoted text -

[Drafterman]

You are a liar, Samir. I have presented you with such data. You merely
ignore it and call it unscientific without giving a reason why.

>
>
>
> > Here is what on of our most intelligent founding fathers thought about
> > the matter.
>
> > " History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
> > maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
> > ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will
> > always avail themselves for their own purposes."
>
> > -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
>
> > And further.
>
> > "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
>
> > -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
>
> > On one hand, democracy talks about equal
>
> > > opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> > > privileged & unprivileged persons !
>
> > Observer
> > Do you wish to extend the voting rights only to the privileged , the
> > underprivileged , or do you just want to be King ?
>
> Those who exploit others in the name of "science", should NOT have
> voting right. Democracy doesn't ensure that. (I am still thinking over
> what to do with the ignorant souls who fool themselves by believing in
> "Evolution Theory".)

And you just support the notion that democracy and theism are
contradictory concepts.

> I do not fall in the category of privileged persons. I want to align
> with Truth - the ultimate Truth. Of course, I won't mind if I become
> king during the process of alignment.
>
> > This only gives rise to groupism
>
> > Observer
> > How does equality in voting bring about conformity? Please elucidate?
>
> For that you will have to know about "Universal Truth". Correct
> knowledge about Almighty ensures conformity.

Prove that the existence of an "almighty" is a "universal truth".

[Trance Gemini]

I rest my case :-)

My response as follows stands:

Quote

> Idiots like you who want to take us back into the religious dark ages
> because these benefits are "temporal" and religion offers "heaven" after we
> die should give some thought to that.

End Quote.
 

[Samir]

Don't count so much on that trivial point. "Life after death" is an
entirely different thread in theism. One can proceed towards
"Realisation of God" without using that thread at all. Administering
the system on the basis of "Life after death" is somewhat risky
because "but for God, no one can keep track of all the past births".
Those who do not understand the exact nature of Almighty may get
tempted to misuse that line of thought.

> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Samir]

At the appropriate juncture, in the fullness of time, you will
understand that you have incorrectly addressed me as "liar".... may
God bless those innocent souls who mistake that stuff for
scientifically verifiable data.

> > > Psychonomist- Hide quoted text -

[zencycle]

From: "Samir" <ga...@myway.com>

>
> On Jul 2, 7:02 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 2, 9:38 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>>
>> > There exists no scientifically verifiable data that supports
>> > "Evolution Theory".
>>
>> You are a liar, Samir. I have presented you with such data. You merely
>> ignore it and call it unscientific without giving a reason why.
>
> At the appropriate juncture, in the fullness of time, you will
> understand that you have incorrectly addressed me as "liar".... may
> God bless those innocent souls who mistake that stuff for
> scientifically verifiable data.

Kuku said something about putting your fingers in your ears and chanting 'no
evidence'....I think that applies quite appropriately here.

[Sketch System]

On Jul 1, 2:20 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:

> Intellectual pursuit is essential for psychological development; but
> it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
> some extent. Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
> decision making process which has many limitations. They want church
> to be separated from state.

Communism is not such a great idea, but the separation of church and
state is a great one. A separation of church and state is the most
powerful way to protect religious freedom as the state is not equipped
to establish any one religion at the expense of others.

> They want theism or even spirituality to
> be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
> in the political system.

Personally, I would prefer it if political decisions were reasonable
and not mystical.

> On one hand, democracy talks about equal
> opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> privileged & unprivileged persons !

In a democracy "equal opportunity" is in reference to voting alone.
Nothing about democracy guarantees equality in a general sense.

> This only gives rise to groupism &
> very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to
> Money" and "Power goes to Power."

Nope. Democracy is a system where (political) power goes to the
majority. Economic or private power exists, and is more available to
those who already posses some, regardless of political systems.

[Keith MacNevins]

Not quite punkmaster zensicle.

--
Ambassador From Hell
All rights reserved

[Squatbean]

Are you claiming to understand the exact nature of the almighty?

Me too!

You first, tell me what you think, then I'll tell you if you're right.

[Trance Gemini]

Well life after death is kind of key to all religions, like the belief in god(s) is so this is just a red herring.

Nice try at a dodge though.

My point, of course, still stands.

Quote

> Idiots like you who want to take us back into the religious dark ages
> because these benefits are "temporal" and religion offers "heaven" after we
> die should give some thought to that.

End Quote.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Observer]

On Jul 2, 6:38 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 12:45 am, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Jul 1, 2:20 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > Intellectual pursuit is essential for psychological development; but
> > > it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
> > > some extent.
>
> > Observer
> > .
>
> > I must assume , from the flavor of your post, that you mean to use the
> > following as the prime definition of temporal. that which endures for
> > a time only; temporary; transitory (opposed to eternal)
>
> > Your statement implies that there exists that which is not temporal .
> > Please offer proof of such.
>
> As has been mentioned earlier on this discussion board, there exists
> something called "Universal Truth" which is NOT subject to the
> interpretation by masses.
>
> > Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
>
> > > decision making process which has many limitations.
>
> > Observer
> > Communists and intellectuals ? Hmmm Interesting that you should link
> > them. What are your opinions as to the relative value of each ?
>
> Communists may get hurt when they see that you refuse to call
> communists as intellectuals.

Observer
Are you too stupid to answer the question?

"What are your opinions as to the relative value of each"




>

> > They want church
>
> > > to be separated from state. They want theism or even spirituality to
> > > be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
> > > in the political system.
>
> > Observer
>
> > In what way are theism and and spirituality remotely connect to any
> > process of reasoning. There exists no scientifically verifiable
> > substantiation of the existence of either a god or a spirit.
>
> There exists no scientifically verifiable data that supports
> "Evolution Theory".

Observer
Oh my your really are uneducated . The ignorant haven't read science
the really stupid can not . I need not guess which you are.

You don't even understand the use of the word theory as relates to
scientific method.

Evolution as theory and fact
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

Evolution is often said to be both theory and fact. This statement, or
something similar, is frequently seen in biological literature.[1][2]
[3][4][5][6][4][7][4][8][9][10] The point of this statement is to
differentiate the concept of the "fact of evolution", namely the
observed changes in populations of organisms over time, from the
"theory of evolution", namely the current scientific explanation of
how those changes came about.


Introduction to evolution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This article is intended as a generally accessible introduction to the
subject. For the main encyclopedia article, please see Evolution.
Triceratops and nest by Karen Carr.
Genetic changes between generations either increase or decrease the
chance of an organism's survival.
Overview
Life forms reproduce to make offspring.
The offspring differs from the parent in minor random ways.
If the differences are helpful, the offspring is more likely to
survive and reproduce.
This means that more offspring in the next generation will have the
helpful difference.
These differences accumulate resulting in changes within the
population.
Over time, this process gradually leads to entirely new types of life.
This process is responsible for the many diverse life forms in the
world today.
Haeckel's Paleontological Tree of Vertebrates (c. 1879).
The evolutionary history of species has been described as a "tree",
with many branches arising from a single trunk. While Haeckel's tree
is somewhat outdated, it illustrates clearly the principles that more
complex modern reconstructions can obscure.

Evolution is the process of change in all forms of life over
generations, and evolutionary biology is the study of how and why
evolution occurs. An organism inherits features (called traits) from
its parents through genes. Changes (called mutations) in these genes
can produce a new trait in the offspring of an organism. If a new
trait makes these offspring better suited to their environment, they
will be more successful at surviving and reproducing. This process is
called natural selection, and it causes useful traits to become more
common. Over many generations, a population can acquire so many new
traits that it becomes a new species.[1][2]

The understanding of evolutionary biology began with the 1859
publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species. In addition,
Gregor Mendel's work with plants helped to explain the hereditary
patterns of genetics. This led to an understanding of the mechanisms
of inheritance.[3] Further discoveries on how genes mutate, as well as
advances in population genetics explained more details of how
evolution occurs. Scientists now have a good understanding of the
origin of new species (speciation). They have observed the speciation
process happening both in the laboratory and in the wild. This modern
view of evolution is the principal theory that scientists use to
understand life.

>
>
>
> > Here is what on of our most intelligent founding fathers thought about
> > the matter.
>
> > " History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
> > maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
> > ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will
> > always avail themselves for their own purposes."
>
> > -Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
>
> > And further.
>
> > "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
>
> > -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
>
> > On one hand, democracy talks about equal
>
> > > opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> > > privileged & unprivileged persons !
>
> > Observer
> > Do you wish to extend the voting rights only to the privileged , the
> > underprivileged , or do you just want to be King ?
>
> Those who exploit others in the name of "science", should NOT have
> voting right.

Observer
You are obviously to stupid to answer the above question .

Democracy doesn't ensure that. (I am still thinking over
> what to do with the ignorant souls who fool themselves by believing in
> "Evolution Theory".)

Observer
One doesn't believe is evolution one simply studies the science there
of . There are millions of proofs of the fact of evolution and
hundreds of thousands of highly trained biologists ,and
paleontologists, and an endless number of other scientists who are
among the most intelligent people ever to live on this planet who
verify these proofs daily.

> I do not fall in the category of privileged persons. I want to align
> with Truth - the ultimate Truth.

Observer
You poor fucking moron You with no education , no understanding of
critical thought. and no understanding of scientific method presume to
tell us of an ultimate truth?

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Of course, I won't mind if I become
> king during the process of alignment.

Observer
I thought not

>
> > This only gives rise to groupism
>
> > Observer
> > How does equality in voting bring about conformity? Please elucidate?
>
> For that you will have to know about "Universal Truth". Correct
> knowledge about Almighty ensures conformity.

Observer

Would you care to elucidate ? Be appraised that ever utterance you
make , calling it a universal truth , will require scientifically
verifiable substantiating data. Other wise we will just laugh at your
crazy ass

>
> > &
>
> > > very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to
> > > Money" and "Power goes to Power."
>
> > Observer
>
> > The most productive in 'most any society tend towards being more
> > powerful then the less productive. Do you disagree?
>
> Many a times, one can become powerful even by exploiting the
> unprivileged.

Observer
No doubt . But so what? They have efficiently produced the result.

Everyone in power need not necessarily be efficient.
> "groupism" & "favouritism" go hand in hand.

Observer

The most pronounced form of groupism , is Christianity and other such
stupid superstitions right.

Psychonomist
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[TLC]

Samir, I repeat my answer and question, even though I know no godhead
will give me an answer. It seems as if religious believers live in
denial and treat the truth with contempt. Yet, amazingly, you
believers want people to respect your opinions!!

Theism has been, is now and always will be at loggerheads with
Democracy! Can anyone name a religion which is in the vanguard of the
fight for equality, or human rights? NO! Now, can anyone name a
religion which is in cahoots with those who wish to limit or suppress
Liberty, or human rights? YES! YES! YES! YES!

While religions wish to preach that life is ordained by an invisible,
unfounded myth then religion is and always will be the enemy of
Democracy! Democracy isn't something stagnent, stale nor stupid like
theological belief', democracy is based on reality and life and is

living and evolving. Religious belief' can't evolve or change with
the world because they were founded in an ignorant past where
inequality, dominance over others and totalitarianism was the norm.

[Observer]

At what juncture ,Christian liar, in the fullness of time?, What is
meant by the fullness of time, Christian liar? you will

> understand that you have incorrectly addressed me as "liar".

Observer
You are a Christian liar, a full fleged member of the liars for Jesus
club.

... may
> God bless those innocent souls who mistake that stuff for
> scientifically verifiable data.

Observer
What god, Christian liar? I suggest that you are to uneducated , too
dishonest , and too stupid to understand the science of evolution.

Your addiction to the filthy superstitious crap represented by
Christianity has rotted your brain . It , Christianity must be
expunged from human consciousness through the advent of universal
education.
Enough of this atrocious superstition and the atrocities produced
thereby.

I wish you well , Christian liar

Psychonomist

[Observer]

On Jul 2, 6:55 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Jul 2, 9:10 am, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:> On Jul 1, 2:20 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
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> >  Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
> > decision making process which has many limitations.
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> > LL: Please name a Communist government that is collaborative with its
> > people.
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> See, you are also hurting communist-sentiments...

Observer
Just what is the significance of this statement? Do you even know?

Psychonomist

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> > > it can only bring about a temporal emancipation & that too, only to
> > > some extent. Communists & intellectuals believe in collaborative
> > > decision making process which has many limitations. They want church
> > > to be separated from state. They want theism or even spirituality to
> > > be an entirely different sphere of reasoning that should have no role
> > > in the political system. On one hand, democracy talks about equal
> > > opportunity & on the other hand, it gives equal voting right to both -
> > > privileged & unprivileged persons ! This only gives rise to groupism &
> > > very quickly system drifts towards a situation where "Money goes to
> > > Money" and "Power goes to Power."- Hide quoted text -
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[Samir]

When kids from anthropology classes shout about "fossils of dinosaurs-
eggs", what else should a wise person (like me) do ?

[Drafterman]

I haven't seen that you are wise, but I understand this to be a
fictional thought experiment where certain things can be pretended. In
this event, a wise person (unlike you) should tell them to lower their
voices as shouting is not polite in a classroom environment.