> This account in Judges tells us all the neighboring tribes pitched in.
> I have a difficult time running in a full moon. I might trip just
> walking. I don't think Gideon could have done it with just moon light.
> Judges
> 007:009
> And it came to pass the same night,
> that the LORD said unto him, Arise,
> get thee down unto the host; for I have
> delivered it into thine hand.
> 007:019
> So Gideon, and the hundred men that
> were with him, came unto the outside
> of the camp in the beginning of the
> middle watch; and they had but newly
> set the watch: and they blew the
> trumpets, and brake the pitchers that
> were in their hands.
> 007:020
> And the three companies blew the
> trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and
> held the lamps in their left hands, and
> the trumpets in their right hands to blow
> withal: and they cried, The sword of the
> LORD, and of Gideon.
> 007:021
> And they stood every man in his place
> round about the camp; and all the host
> ran, and cried, and fled.
> 007:022
> And the three hundred blew the
> trumpets, and the LORD set every
> man's sword against his fellow, even
> throughout all the host: and the host fled
> to Bethshittah in Zererath, and to the
> border of Abelmeholah, unto Tabbath.
> 007:023
> And the men of Israel gathered
> themselves together out of Naphtali,
> and out of Asher, and out of all
> Manasseh, and pursued after the
> Midianites.
> 007:024
> And Gideon sent messengers
> throughout all mount Ephraim, saying,
> come down against the Midianites, and
> take before them the waters unto
> Bethbarah and Jordan. Then all the
> men of Ephraim gathered themselves
> together, and took the waters unto
> Bethbarah and Jordan.
> 007:025
> And they took two princes of the
> Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb; and they
> slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb, and
> Zeeb they slew at the winepress of
> Zeeb, and pursued Midian, and
> brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to
> Gideon on the other side Jordan.
> 008:001
> And the men of Ephraim said unto him,
> Why hast thou served us thus, that thou
> calledst us not, when thou wentest to
> fight with the Midianites? And they did
> chide with him sharply.
> 008:002
> And he said unto them, What have I
> done now in comparison of you? Is not
> the gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim
> better than the vintage of Abiezer?
> 008:003
> God hath delivered into your hands the
> princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb: and
> what was I able to do in comparison of
> you? Then their anger was abated
> toward him, when he had said that.
> 008:004
> And Gideon came to Jordan, and
> passed over, he, and the three hundred
> men that were with him, faint, yet
> pursuing them.
> 008:005
> And he said unto the men of Succoth,
> Give, I pray you, loaves of bread unto
> the people that follow me; for they be
> faint, and I am pursuing after Zebah
> and Zalmunna, kings of Midian.
> 008:006
> And the princes of Succoth said, Are
> the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now
> in thine hand, that we should give bread
> unto thine army?
> 008:007
> And Gideon said, Therefore when the
> LORD hath delivered Zebah and
> Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will
> tear your flesh with the thorns of the
> wilderness and with briers.
> 008:008
> And he went up thence to Penuel, and
> spake unto them likewise: and the men
> of Penuel answered him as the men of
> Succoth had answered him.
> 008:009
> And he spake also unto the men of
> Penuel, saying, When I come again in
> peace, I will break down this tower.
> 008:010
> Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in
> Karkor, and their hosts with them,
> about fifteen thousand men, all that
> were left of all the hosts of the children
> of the east: for there fell an hundred and
> twenty thousand men that drew sword.
> 008:011
> And Gideon went up by the way of
> them that dwelt in tents on the east of
> Nobah and Jogbehah, and smote the
> host; for the host was secure.
> 008:012
> And when Zebah and Zalmunna fled,
> he pursued after them, and took the
> two kings of Midian, Zebah and
> Zalmunna, and discomfited all the host.
> 008:013
> And Gideon the son of Joash returned
> from battle before the sun was up,
> How could Gideon do all this in the five hours from midnight to
> sunrise? God told Gideon
> 007:009
> And it came to pass the same night,
> that the LORD said unto him, Arise,
> get thee down unto the host; for I have
> delivered it into thine hand.
> Thus timing was everything. When the sun must return half an orbit
> later at exactly 2AM timing is everything. God can move the sun at
> will. It is his creation.
> There is no other way. This is the model. There is no other model.
> > > This
> > > calculation would not cover any time before the present, so some
> > > missing day many centuries ago, if it had occurred, could not be
> > > uncovered with this method.
> I have shown the method. NASA had access to everything I had access to
> when I discovered it.
I'll try again. Here's a quote from NASA in the article for which YOU
provided a link:
NASA: "In general, trying to prove events that are said to have
occurred in the Bible, using scientific principles, doesn't work. Most
scientists draw a clear distinction between things that are taken on
faith, and those that are testable and therefore falsifiable. Science
deals with the latter, and religion with the former."
NASA, by definition, does not agree with you. They do not conclude
from any evidence that God made the earth stop rotating. You should
address why you implied that they did.
> On Oct 11, 6:54 pm, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> > I agree, IAM never once ever made anything happen outside the laws of
> > physics.
> > 300 men can't kill 120,000 running people away from them in all
> > directions.
> > The only time the sun ever does anything irractic in the skies is when
> > a pole shift take place or the surface of the Earth moves off the
> > steady orbit pattern that we do know took place in the past but never
> > even close the the dates given.
> > We saw the USA destroy how many bunkers in Iraq when they reached the
> > capital... do you really think there was nobody in the complete
> > network of bunkers set to protect people in just such an event? USA
> > said almost no one died in them bunkers but simple math tells us of
> > thousands of dead people that tried to find shelter and a strange 5000
> > missing pilots never found ever since. Some 35,000 people could of
> > been in the bunkers trying to escape the bombardment but the USA say
> > that they were not used and people ran to house near by completely
> > exposed rather than go under the ground... ya sure! storm comes and
> > you go outside in the play house and avoid the basment kind of logic
> > the whole world gobbled up like a shit sandwich served hot and fresh.
> > Think about it... hundreds of bunkers not used?
> > Hitler said no one was being gased or burnt but the dead that die
> > naturally in wars.
> > Bullshit is a common thing in war, and MOST OF ALL IN LAND GRABS.
> > On Oct 11, 8:32 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 10, 7:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:> The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please
> > > Um...hey, genius. This is from the link that you provided. In fact,
> > > it's the first thing you see:
> > > * start of quote *
> > > We, too, have heard an "urban legend" about scientists at NASA GSFC
> > > finding the "missing day" in computer calculations of the motions of
> > > the planets. The legend has been around for longer than NASA itself,
> > > but turned into a NASA "event" sometime in the 60's. The story goes
> > > that some scientists were doing orbital mechanics calculations to
> > > determine the positions of the planets in the future, for use in
> > > determining the trajectories of future satellite missions. They
> > > realized they were off by a day. A biblical scholar in the lot
> > > remembered the passage from Joshua and all was set right. But these
> > > events, in fact, never occurred. It is easy to understand why:
> > > The "GSFC finds missing day" urban legend doesn't make sense for the
> > > following reason. If we want to know where the planets will be in the
> > > future, we use accurate knowledge of their initial positions and
> > > orbital speeds (which would be where they are located now), and solve
> > > for their positions for some time in the future. We solve a very well
> > > determined set of equations that describe their motions. The major
> > > dynamical component of any planet's orbital motion is determined by
> > > solving an equation (force
This is not psuedo science. This is the real thing. This is how God
did it. God created the Universe, he can move the sun and planets
around earth exacltly where he wants them. God is in control. He can
keep the solar system from being thrown into chaos. That God can move
the sun around the earth and move the planets to make them appear in
their seasons and then when earth flowed out of the reverse orbit, put
the solar system back exacltly as it would have been just means God is
that powerful. Where is you faith?
The lunar eclipse for day 56 on August 12 1269 BC should be day 54.
That means eclipse records show some days were not counted. The
Chinese counted every day. There must have been a very good reason
they did not count those two days.
Sun miracles happened just about every century, in series of four.
There are plenty of legends, such as Phaethon, and Seneca's Thyestes,
that vividly depict sun miracles. They were so common the Chinese
today still try to tell you about their phoenix and dragon. When there
was a sun miracle the Chinese recorded the phoenix with it. Just read
the Chinese Classics. The phoenix was the angel that moved the sun.
Some of the only astronomical records we have from that period are
from the Chinese. They noticed and recorded it. Just read king Wan's
dream of Joshua's long day from China. http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/wansdream.html
Andrew Bennett
On Oct 13, 8:45 am, "Rev. Bryce" <bryce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As compelling as it may sound to put up some psuedo science to force a
> square peg into a round hole the result of such wild gyrations of the
> sun would throw the entire solar system into chaos and never recover.
> The outer planets would be thrown from their orbits and the inner
> planets, like the earth, would very likely be thrown into the sun. You
> cannot maintain a stable orbit if the sun gets moved. There are other
> factors, like inertia and momentum that are in balance with gravity to
> maintain an orbit. If you move the object being orbited the
> centrifical force would be horribly disrupted. No possible way that
> the earth would meekly follow along ignoring its own momentum and
> centrifical force that is keeping it stable in its orbit.
> Other evidence is that the records of past eclipses in China's records
> and the Mayan calendar show that there was never a "lost day" The
> whole world would have noticed, not just the writer of the book of
> Joshua.
> Just because something sounds "scientific" doesn't mean it is.
> On Oct 10, 7:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
"According to the laws of physics, there are only two possible
explanations for having the Sun stand still in the sky for a day: (1)
the Earth would essentially have to stop spinning on its axis...for
which there is no evidence. -or- (2) the Sun would have to start
moving about in the solar system in a very specific way so that it
appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still. There is no
evidence of this occurring either."
This very specific way the sun must start moving about in our solar
system is the model on my website http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html There is no physical evidence because God left none. I never said God
made earth stop from rotating. I said he moved the sun around the
earth.
> NASA: "In general, trying to prove events that are said to have
> occurred in the Bible, using scientific principles, doesn't work. Most
> scientists draw a clear distinction between things that are taken on
> faith, and those that are testable and therefore falsifiable. Science
> deals with the latter, and religion with the former."
In general. However, this does not apply to this specific model. NASA
does not read the Bible regularly. I do. I have provided the Bible
context and the Bible dates for these sun miracles. These are exact
dates, a specific model and the complete context for these sun
miracles. God left no physical evidence. Yet this model is testable
and true to my understanding of physics. You do not need to be a
scientist to understand it.
Andrew Bennett
On Oct 13, 10:46 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 11, 10:04 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > This account in Judges tells us all the neighboring tribes pitched in.
> > I have a difficult time running in a full moon. I might trip just
> > walking. I don't think Gideon could have done it with just moon light.
> > Judges
> > 007:009
> > And it came to pass the same night,
> > that the LORD said unto him, Arise,
> > get thee down unto the host; for I have
> > delivered it into thine hand.
> > 007:019
> > So Gideon, and the hundred men that
> > were with him, came unto the outside
> > of the camp in the beginning of the
> > middle watch; and they had but newly
> > set the watch: and they blew the
> > trumpets, and brake the pitchers that
> > were in their hands.
> > 007:020
> > And the three companies blew the
> > trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and
> > held the lamps in their left hands, and
> > the trumpets in their right hands to blow
> > withal: and they cried, The sword of the
> > LORD, and of Gideon.
> > 007:021
> > And they stood every man in his place
> > round about the camp; and all the host
> > ran, and cried, and fled.
> > 007:022
> > And the three hundred blew the
> > trumpets, and the LORD set every
> > man's sword against his fellow, even
> > throughout all the host: and the host fled
> > to Bethshittah in Zererath, and to the
> > border of Abelmeholah, unto Tabbath.
> > 007:023
> > And the men of Israel gathered
> > themselves together out of Naphtali,
> > and out of Asher, and out of all
> > Manasseh, and pursued after the
> > Midianites.
> > 007:024
> > And Gideon sent messengers
> > throughout all mount Ephraim, saying,
> > come down against the Midianites, and
> > take before them the waters unto
> > Bethbarah and Jordan. Then all the
> > men of Ephraim gathered themselves
> > together, and took the waters unto
> > Bethbarah and Jordan.
> > 007:025
> > And they took two princes of the
> > Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb; and they
> > slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb, and
> > Zeeb they slew at the winepress of
> > Zeeb, and pursued Midian, and
> > brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to
> > Gideon on the other side Jordan.
> > 008:001
> > And the men of Ephraim said unto him,
> > Why hast thou served us thus, that thou
> > calledst us not, when thou wentest to
> > fight with the Midianites? And they did
> > chide with him sharply.
> > 008:002
> > And he said unto them, What have I
> > done now in comparison of you? Is not
> > the gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim
> > better than the vintage of Abiezer?
> > 008:003
> > God hath delivered into your hands the
> > princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb: and
> > what was I able to do in comparison of
> > you? Then their anger was abated
> > toward him, when he had said that.
> > 008:004
> > And Gideon came to Jordan, and
> > passed over, he, and the three hundred
> > men that were with him, faint, yet
> > pursuing them.
> > 008:005
> > And he said unto the men of Succoth,
> > Give, I pray you, loaves of bread unto
> > the people that follow me; for they be
> > faint, and I am pursuing after Zebah
> > and Zalmunna, kings of Midian.
> > 008:006
> > And the princes of Succoth said, Are
> > the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now
> > in thine hand, that we should give bread
> > unto thine army?
> > 008:007
> > And Gideon said, Therefore when the
> > LORD hath delivered Zebah and
> > Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will
> > tear your flesh with the thorns of the
> > wilderness and with briers.
> > 008:008
> > And he went up thence to Penuel, and
> > spake unto them likewise: and the men
> > of Penuel answered him as the men of
> > Succoth had answered him.
> > 008:009
> > And he spake also unto the men of
> > Penuel, saying, When I come again in
> > peace, I will break down this tower.
> > 008:010
> > Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in
> > Karkor, and their hosts with them,
> > about fifteen thousand men, all that
> > were left of all the hosts of the children
> > of the east: for there fell an hundred and
> > twenty thousand men that drew sword.
> > 008:011
> > And Gideon went up by the way of
> > them that dwelt in tents on the east of
> > Nobah and Jogbehah, and smote the
> > host; for the host was secure.
> > 008:012
> > And when Zebah and Zalmunna fled,
> > he pursued after them, and took the
> > two kings of Midian, Zebah and
> > Zalmunna, and discomfited all the host.
> > 008:013
> > And Gideon the son of Joash returned
> > from battle before the sun was up,
> > How could Gideon do all this in the five hours from midnight to
> > sunrise? God told Gideon
> > 007:009
> > And it came to pass the same night,
> > that the LORD said unto him, Arise,
> > get thee down unto the host; for I have
> > delivered it into thine hand.
> > Thus timing was everything. When the sun must return half an orbit
> > later at exactly 2AM timing is everything. God can move the sun at
> > will. It is his creation.
> > There is no other way. This is the model. There is no other model.
> > > > This
> > > > calculation would not cover any time before the present, so some
> > > > missing day many centuries ago, if it had occurred, could not be
> > > > uncovered with this method.
> > I have shown the method. NASA had access to everything I had access to
> > when I discovered it.
> I'll try again. Here's a quote from NASA in the article for which YOU
> provided a link:
> NASA: "In general, trying to prove events that are said to have
> occurred in the Bible, using scientific principles, doesn't work. Most
> scientists draw a clear distinction between things that are taken on
> faith, and those that are testable and therefore falsifiable. Science
> deals with the latter, and religion with the former."
> NASA, by definition, does not agree with you. They do not conclude
> from any evidence that God made the earth stop rotating. You should
> address why you implied that they did.> Andrew Bennett
> > On Oct 11, 6:54 pm, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> > > I agree, IAM never once ever made anything happen outside the laws of
> > > physics.
> > > 300 men can't kill 120,000 running people away from them in all
> > > directions.
> > > The only time the sun ever does anything irractic in the skies is when
> > > a pole shift take place or the surface of the Earth moves off the
> > > steady orbit pattern that we do know took place in the past but never
> > > even close the the dates given.
> > > We saw the USA destroy how many bunkers in Iraq when they reached the
> > > capital... do you really think there was nobody in the complete
> > > network of bunkers set to protect people in just such an event? USA
> > > said almost no one
On Oct 14, 3:45 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> NASA states on their website:
> "According to the laws of physics, there are only two possible
> explanations for having the Sun stand still in the sky for a day: (1)
> the Earth would essentially have to stop spinning on its axis...for
> which there is no evidence. -or- (2) the Sun would have to start
> moving about in the solar system in a very specific way so that it
> appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still. There is no
> evidence of this occurring either."
> This very specific way the sun must start moving about in our solar
> system is the model on my websitehttp://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html > There is no physical evidence because God left none. I never said God
> made earth stop from rotating. I said he moved the sun around the
> earth.
If there is no physical evidence then there is no reason to believe
it. The end.
> > NASA: "In general, trying to prove events that are said to have
> > occurred in the Bible, using scientific principles, doesn't work. Most
> > scientists draw a clear distinction between things that are taken on
> > faith, and those that are testable and therefore falsifiable. Science
> > deals with the latter, and religion with the former."
> In general. However, this does not apply to this specific model. NASA
> does not read the Bible regularly. I do. I have provided the Bible
> context and the Bible dates for these sun miracles. These are exact
> dates, a specific model and the complete context for these sun
> miracles. God left no physical evidence. Yet this model is testable
> and true to my understanding of physics. You do not need to be a
> scientist to understand it.
> Andrew Bennett
> On Oct 13, 10:46 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 11, 10:04 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > This account in Judges tells us all the neighboring tribes pitched in.
> > > I have a difficult time running in a full moon. I might trip just
> > > walking. I don't think Gideon could have done it with just moon light.
> > > Judges
> > > 007:009
> > > And it came to pass the same night,
> > > that the LORD said unto him, Arise,
> > > get thee down unto the host; for I have
> > > delivered it into thine hand.
> > > 007:019
> > > So Gideon, and the hundred men that
> > > were with him, came unto the outside
> > > of the camp in the beginning of the
> > > middle watch; and they had but newly
> > > set the watch: and they blew the
> > > trumpets, and brake the pitchers that
> > > were in their hands.
> > > 007:020
> > > And the three companies blew the
> > > trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and
> > > held the lamps in their left hands, and
> > > the trumpets in their right hands to blow
> > > withal: and they cried, The sword of the
> > > LORD, and of Gideon.
> > > 007:021
> > > And they stood every man in his place
> > > round about the camp; and all the host
> > > ran, and cried, and fled.
> > > 007:022
> > > And the three hundred blew the
> > > trumpets, and the LORD set every
> > > man's sword against his fellow, even
> > > throughout all the host: and the host fled
> > > to Bethshittah in Zererath, and to the
> > > border of Abelmeholah, unto Tabbath.
> > > 007:023
> > > And the men of Israel gathered
> > > themselves together out of Naphtali,
> > > and out of Asher, and out of all
> > > Manasseh, and pursued after the
> > > Midianites.
> > > 007:024
> > > And Gideon sent messengers
> > > throughout all mount Ephraim, saying,
> > > come down against the Midianites, and
> > > take before them the waters unto
> > > Bethbarah and Jordan. Then all the
> > > men of Ephraim gathered themselves
> > > together, and took the waters unto
> > > Bethbarah and Jordan.
> > > 007:025
> > > And they took two princes of the
> > > Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb; and they
> > > slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb, and
> > > Zeeb they slew at the winepress of
> > > Zeeb, and pursued Midian, and
> > > brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to
> > > Gideon on the other side Jordan.
> > > 008:001
> > > And the men of Ephraim said unto him,
> > > Why hast thou served us thus, that thou
> > > calledst us not, when thou wentest to
> > > fight with the Midianites? And they did
> > > chide with him sharply.
> > > 008:002
> > > And he said unto them, What have I
> > > done now in comparison of you? Is not
> > > the gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim
> > > better than the vintage of Abiezer?
> > > 008:003
> > > God hath delivered into your hands the
> > > princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb: and
> > > what was I able to do in comparison of
> > > you? Then their anger was abated
> > > toward him, when he had said that.
> > > 008:004
> > > And Gideon came to Jordan, and
> > > passed over, he, and the three hundred
> > > men that were with him, faint, yet
> > > pursuing them.
> > > 008:005
> > > And he said unto the men of Succoth,
> > > Give, I pray you, loaves of bread unto
> > > the people that follow me; for they be
> > > faint, and I am pursuing after Zebah
> > > and Zalmunna, kings of Midian.
> > > 008:006
> > > And the princes of Succoth said, Are
> > > the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now
> > > in thine hand, that we should give bread
> > > unto thine army?
> > > 008:007
> > > And Gideon said, Therefore when the
> > > LORD hath delivered Zebah and
> > > Zalmunna into mine hand, then I will
> > > tear your flesh with the thorns of the
> > > wilderness and with briers.
> > > 008:008
> > > And he went up thence to Penuel, and
> > > spake unto them likewise: and the men
> > > of Penuel answered him as the men of
> > > Succoth had answered him.
> > > 008:009
> > > And he spake also unto the men of
> > > Penuel, saying, When I come again in
> > > peace, I will break down this tower.
> > > 008:010
> > > Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in
> > > Karkor, and their hosts with them,
> > > about fifteen thousand men, all that
> > > were left of all the hosts of the children
> > > of the east: for there fell an hundred and
> > > twenty thousand men that drew sword.
> > > 008:011
> > > And Gideon went up by the way of
> > > them that dwelt in tents on the east of
> > > Nobah and Jogbehah, and smote the
> > > host; for the host was secure.
> > > 008:012
> > > And when Zebah and Zalmunna fled,
> > > he pursued after them, and took the
> > > two kings of Midian, Zebah and
> > > Zalmunna, and discomfited all the host.
> > > 008:013
> > > And Gideon the son of Joash returned
> > > from battle before the sun was up,
> > > How could Gideon do all this in the five hours from midnight to
> > > sunrise? God told Gideon
> > > 007:009
> > > And it came to pass the same night,
> > > that the LORD said unto him, Arise,
> > > get thee down unto the host; for I have
> > > delivered it into thine hand.
> > > Thus timing was everything. When the sun must return half an orbit
> > > later at exactly 2AM timing is everything. God can move the sun at
> > > will. It is his creation.
> > > There is no other way. This is the model. There is no other model.
> > > > > This
> > > > > calculation would not cover any time before the present, so some
> > > > > missing day many centuries ago, if it had occurred, could not be
> > > > > uncovered with this method.
> > > I have shown the method. NASA had access to everything I had access to
> > > when I discovered it.
> > I'll try again. Here's a quote from NASA in the article for which YOU
> > provided a link:
> > NASA: "In general, trying to prove events that are said to have
> > occurred in the Bible, using scientific principles, doesn't work. Most
> > scientists draw a clear distinction between things that are taken on
> > faith, and those that are testable and therefore falsifiable. Science
> > deals with the latter, and religion with the former."
> > NASA, by definition, does not agree with you. They do not conclude
> > from any evidence that God made the earth stop rotating. You should
> > address why you implied that they did.> Andrew Bennett
> > > On Oct 11, 6:54 pm, Stonethatbleeds <fb...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> > > > I agree, IAM never once ever made anything happen outside the laws of
> > > > physics.
> > > > 300 men can't kill 120,000 running people away from them in all
> NASA states on their website:
> "According to the laws of physics, there are only two possible
> explanations for having the Sun stand still in the sky for a day: (1)
> the Earth would essentially have to stop spinning on its axis...for
> which there is no evidence. -or- (2) the Sun would have to start
> moving about in the solar system in a very specific way so that it
> appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still. There is no
> evidence of this occurring either."
> This very specific way the sun must start moving about in our solar
> system is the model on my websitehttp://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html > There is no physical evidence because God left none. I never said God
> made earth stop from rotating. I said he moved the sun around the
> earth.
I'm going to copy and paste Drafterman's reply to you so there is a
greater chance you might not ignore what he said:
"If there is no physical evidence then there is no reason to believe
it. The end."
By reverting back to "God did it" and that is why the planets were not
thrown into dissaray, You are admiting that God did not use
scientific principles; that God can and does work outside the laws of
physics. The psuedo Science is the attempt to use math to demonstrate
that God did it within the laws of science, by your own admission He
didn't.
The article tries to convince us that the action can be quantified in
a logical sounding mathematical formula ...if you ignore various
principles like momentum, inertia etc. God either worked within the
known laws of physics, or he didn't. Don't try to use the tools of man
to prove God, and don't attempt to persuade with faulty logic. Psuedo
Science is something that sounds like science, but isn't. These kinds
of arguements only make Christians sound stupid to those who do
understand the physics involved.
On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> This is not psuedo science. This is the real thing. This is how God
> did it. God created the Universe, he can move the sun and planets
> around earth exacltly where he wants them. God is in control. He can
> keep the solar system from being thrown into chaos. That God can move
> the sun around the earth and move the planets to make them appear in
> their seasons and then when earth flowed out of the reverse orbit, put
> the solar system back exacltly as it would have been just means God is
> that powerful. Where is you faith?
> The lunar eclipse for day 56 on August 12 1269 BC should be day 54.
> That means eclipse records show some days were not counted. The
> Chinese counted every day. There must have been a very good reason
> they did not count those two days.
> Sun miracles happened just about every century, in series of four.
> There are plenty of legends, such as Phaethon, and Seneca's Thyestes,
> that vividly depict sun miracles. They were so common the Chinese
> today still try to tell you about their phoenix and dragon. When there
> was a sun miracle the Chinese recorded the phoenix with it. Just read
> the Chinese Classics. The phoenix was the angel that moved the sun.
> Some of the only astronomical records we have from that period are
> from the Chinese. They noticed and recorded it. Just read king Wan's
> dream of Joshua's long day from China.http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/wansdream.html
> Andrew Bennett
> On Oct 13, 8:45 am, "Rev. Bryce" <bryce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As compelling as it may sound to put up some psuedo science to force a
> > square peg into a round hole the result of such wild gyrations of the
> > sun would throw the entire solar system into chaos and never recover.
> > The outer planets would be thrown from their orbits and the inner
> > planets, like the earth, would very likely be thrown into the sun. You
> > cannot maintain a stable orbit if the sun gets moved. There are other
> > factors, like inertia and momentum that are in balance with gravity to
> > maintain an orbit. If you move the object being orbited the
> > centrifical force would be horribly disrupted. No possible way that
> > the earth would meekly follow along ignoring its own momentum and
> > centrifical force that is keeping it stable in its orbit.
> > Other evidence is that the records of past eclipses in China's records
> > and the Mayan calendar show that there was never a "lost day" The
> > whole world would have noticed, not just the writer of the book of
> > Joshua.
> > Just because something sounds "scientific" doesn't mean it is.
> > On Oct 10, 7:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
Yes, God had to work within the laws of physics. He cannot change the
fact earth is rotating at 1000 miles per hour at the equator. He has
to move the sun around the earth to make it appear to stand still in
the sky. According to the laws of physics there are only two
possibilities. The earth stopped rotating or the (2) the Sun would
have to start moving about in the solar system in a very specific way
so that it appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still.
The miracle is understandable and I have presented it as
understandable with plenty of eye-witness documentation. The science
behind getting the sun to move 24 million miles per hour within the
hour is God's business. That is how he does miracles. If we knew
someone would just explain it away as nothing. That is the point of
the website. To get people to think. If God is that powerful I don't
want to get on his bad side. I would want to find out how to be a true
Christian. In your eyes it makes Christians look bad. However, I know
in God's eyes I have correctly presented the case.
Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be
some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till
they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Andrew Bennett
On Oct 14, 2:10 pm, Bryce <bryce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By reverting back to "God did it" and that is why the planets were not
> thrown into dissaray, You are admiting that God did not use
> scientific principles; that God can and does work outside the laws of
> physics. The psuedo Science is the attempt to use math to demonstrate
> that God did it within the laws of science, by your own admission He
> didn't.
> The article tries to convince us that the action can be quantified in
> a logical sounding mathematical formula ...if you ignore various
> principles like momentum, inertia etc. God either worked within the
> known laws of physics, or he didn't. Don't try to use the tools of man
> to prove God, and don't attempt to persuade with faulty logic. Psuedo
> Science is something that sounds like science, but isn't. These kinds
> of arguements only make Christians sound stupid to those who do
> understand the physics involved.
> On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > This is not psuedo science. This is the real thing. This is how God
> > did it. God created the Universe, he can move the sun and planets
> > around earth exacltly where he wants them. God is in control. He can
> > keep the solar system from being thrown into chaos. That God can move
> > the sun around the earth and move the planets to make them appear in
> > their seasons and then when earth flowed out of the reverse orbit, put
> > the solar system back exacltly as it would have been just means God is
> > that powerful. Where is you faith?
> > The lunar eclipse for day 56 on August 12 1269 BC should be day 54.
> > That means eclipse records show some days were not counted. The
> > Chinese counted every day. There must have been a very good reason
> > they did not count those two days.
> > Sun miracles happened just about every century, in series of four.
> > There are plenty of legends, such as Phaethon, and Seneca's Thyestes,
> > that vividly depict sun miracles. They were so common the Chinese
> > today still try to tell you about their phoenix and dragon. When there
> > was a sun miracle the Chinese recorded the phoenix with it. Just read
> > the Chinese Classics. The phoenix was the angel that moved the sun.
> > Some of the only astronomical records we have from that period are
> > from the Chinese. They noticed and recorded it. Just read king Wan's
> > dream of Joshua's long day from China.http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/wansdream.html
> > Andrew Bennett
> > On Oct 13, 8:45 am, "Rev. Bryce" <bryce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As compelling as it may sound to put up some psuedo science to force a
> > > square peg into a round hole the result of such wild gyrations of the
> > > sun would throw the entire solar system into chaos and never recover.
> > > The outer planets would be thrown from their orbits and the inner
> > > planets, like the earth, would very likely be thrown into the sun. You
> > > cannot maintain a stable orbit if the sun gets moved. There are other
> > > factors, like inertia and momentum that are in balance with gravity to
> > > maintain an orbit. If you move the object being orbited the
> > > centrifical force would be horribly disrupted. No possible way that
> > > the earth would meekly follow along ignoring its own momentum and
> > > centrifical force that is keeping it stable in its orbit.
> > > Other evidence is that the records of past eclipses in China's records
> > > and the Mayan calendar show that there was never a "lost day" The
> > > whole world would have noticed, not just the writer of the book of
> > > Joshua.
> > > Just because something sounds "scientific" doesn't mean it is.
> > > On Oct 10, 7:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
the rest of the planet noticed no such event. the rest of the planet
knows no such event took place even by observers of the sun and moon
and stars... no one saw a thing but s select few among a mass of
people that we know give off a lot of heat and would dry simple
clothing as fast as it does at concerts sun moving in the sky was
reported by how many again?> Few people among a large mass of people!
Not the whole gang because when i was young we knew most saw nothing
so do not claim they did now!
On Oct 14, 8:00 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> Yes, God had to work within the laws of physics. He cannot change the
> fact earth is rotating at 1000 miles per hour at the equator. He has
> to move the sun around the earth to make it appear to stand still in
> the sky. According to the laws of physics there are only two
> possibilities. The earth stopped rotating or the (2) the Sun would
> have to start moving about in the solar system in a very specific way
> so that it appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still.
> The miracle is understandable and I have presented it as
> understandable with plenty of eye-witness documentation. The science
> behind getting the sun to move 24 million miles per hour within the
> hour is God's business. That is how he does miracles. If we knew
> someone would just explain it away as nothing. That is the point of
> the website. To get people to think. If God is that powerful I don't
> want to get on his bad side. I would want to find out how to be a true
> Christian. In your eyes it makes Christians look bad. However, I know
> in God's eyes I have correctly presented the case.
> Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be
> some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till
> they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
> Andrew Bennett
> On Oct 14, 2:10 pm, Bryce <bryce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And yet you make my case for me...
> > By reverting back to "God did it" and that is why the planets were not
> > thrown into dissaray, You are admiting that God did not use
> > scientific principles; that God can and does work outside the laws of
> > physics. The psuedo Science is the attempt to use math to demonstrate
> > that God did it within the laws of science, by your own admission He
> > didn't.
> > The article tries to convince us that the action can be quantified in
> > a logical sounding mathematical formula ...if you ignore various
> > principles like momentum, inertia etc. God either worked within the
> > known laws of physics, or he didn't. Don't try to use the tools of man
> > to prove God, and don't attempt to persuade with faulty logic. Psuedo
> > Science is something that sounds like science, but isn't. These kinds
> > of arguements only make Christians sound stupid to those who do
> > understand the physics involved.
> > On Oct 13, 1:23 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > This is not psuedo science. This is the real thing. This is how God
> > > did it. God created the Universe, he can move the sun and planets
> > > around earth exacltly where he wants them. God is in control. He can
> > > keep the solar system from being thrown into chaos. That God can move
> > > the sun around the earth and move the planets to make them appear in
> > > their seasons and then when earth flowed out of the reverse orbit, put
> > > the solar system back exacltly as it would have been just means God is
> > > that powerful. Where is you faith?
> > > The lunar eclipse for day 56 on August 12 1269 BC should be day 54.
> > > That means eclipse records show some days were not counted. The
> > > Chinese counted every day. There must have been a very good reason
> > > they did not count those two days.
> > > Sun miracles happened just about every century, in series of four.
> > > There are plenty of legends, such as Phaethon, and Seneca's Thyestes,
> > > that vividly depict sun miracles. They were so common the Chinese
> > > today still try to tell you about their phoenix and dragon. When there
> > > was a sun miracle the Chinese recorded the phoenix with it. Just read
> > > the Chinese Classics. The phoenix was the angel that moved the sun.
> > > Some of the only astronomical records we have from that period are
> > > from the Chinese. They noticed and recorded it. Just read king Wan's
> > > dream of Joshua's long day from China.http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/wansdream.html
> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > On Oct 13, 8:45 am, "Rev. Bryce" <bryce...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > As compelling as it may sound to put up some psuedo science to force a
> > > > square peg into a round hole the result of such wild gyrations of the
> > > > sun would throw the entire solar system into chaos and never recover.
> > > > The outer planets would be thrown from their orbits and the inner
> > > > planets, like the earth, would very likely be thrown into the sun. You
> > > > cannot maintain a stable orbit if the sun gets moved. There are other
> > > > factors, like inertia and momentum that are in balance with gravity to
> > > > maintain an orbit. If you move the object being orbited the
> > > > centrifical force would be horribly disrupted. No possible way that
> > > > the earth would meekly follow along ignoring its own momentum and
> > > > centrifical force that is keeping it stable in its orbit.
> > > > Other evidence is that the records of past eclipses in China's records
> > > > and the Mayan calendar show that there was never a "lost day" The
> > > > whole world would have noticed, not just the writer of the book of
> > > > Joshua.
> > > > Just because something sounds "scientific" doesn't mean it is.
> > > > On Oct 10, 7:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > NASA states on their website:
> > "According to the laws of physics, there are only two possible
> > explanations for having the Sun stand still in the sky for a day: (1)
> > the Earth would essentially have to stop spinning on its axis...for
> > which there is no evidence. -or- (2) the Sun would have to start
> > moving about in the solar system in a very specific way so that it
> > appeared to us on our spinning Earth to be standing still. There is no
> > evidence of this occurring either."
> > This very specific way the sun must start moving about in our solar
> > system is the model on my websitehttp://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html > > There is no physical evidence because God left none. I never said God
> > made earth stop from rotating. I said he moved the sun around the
> > earth.
> I'm going to copy and paste Drafterman's reply to you so there is a
> greater chance you might not ignore what he said:
> "If there is no physical evidence then there is no reason to believe
> it. The end."
Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital paths.
That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
>> Hello:
>> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
>> Andrew Bennett
>> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
>> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp:// >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html >> > > Andrew Bennett
>> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
>> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less >> > shit going on around the world. >> > ___________________________________ >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore. >> > -- Edward Abbey
> -- > Trance Gemini, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade.
> "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition, > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert > Ingersoll.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Phillip Montgomery <phillipm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital > paths.
> That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
Exactly. They get marks for creativity but that's about it.
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for >>> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
>> Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
>>> Andrew Bennett
>>> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
>>> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp:// >>> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html >>> > > Andrew Bennett
>>> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
>>> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on >>> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively >>> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less >>> > shit going on around the world. >>> > ___________________________________ >>> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore. >>> > -- Edward Abbey
>> -- >> Trance Gemini, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade.
>> "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our >> peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
>> "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of >> ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition, >> and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" >> --Robert Ingersoll.
"We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
"Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition, and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert Ingersoll.
I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> paths.
> That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> >> Hello:
> >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> >> Andrew Bennett
> >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> >> > > Andrew Bennett
> >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> >> > shit going on around the world.
> >> > ___________________________________
> >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > --
> > Trance Gemini, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade.
> > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > Ingersoll.
> I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
You need help buddy, medical psychiatric help, quickly.
_________________________________________
The infantile cowardice of our time which demands an external pattern,
a nonhuman authority....
-- Archibald MacLeish
> I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> On Oct 16, 6:37 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > paths.
> > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > >> Hello:
> > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > >> Andrew Bennett
> > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > >> > ___________________________________
> > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > Ingersoll.
> > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > On Oct 16, 6:37 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > paths.
> > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > >> Hello:
> > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > Ingersoll.
> On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > On Oct 16, 6:37 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > paths.
> > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Hello:
> > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > Ingersoll.
Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
"administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > On Oct 16, 6:37 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > paths.
> > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > > Ingersoll.
> So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> conceivable that these works could be reproduced.
I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
something?
> And you here of it
> in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> obviously something to it.
What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
happened.
> But I think the question still remains, are
> these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
Unless there is some sort of causal connection to be made the answer
is no.
On Nov 4, 11:40 pm, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
> for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
> "administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
> different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
> powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
> testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
> story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
> you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
> beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
> miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
> not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
> amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
> in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
> these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This isn't math. And this isn't even a model.
> > On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > On Oct 16, 6:37 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > > paths.
> > > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > > > Ingersoll.
> Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
> for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
> "administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
> different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
> powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
> testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
> story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
> you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
> beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
> miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
> not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
> amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
> in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
> these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This isn't math. And this isn't even a model.
> > On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > On Oct 16, 6:37 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > > paths.
> > > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > > > Ingersoll.
> On Nov 4, 11:40 pm, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
> > for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
> > "administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
> > different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
> > powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
> > testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
> > story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
> > you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
> > beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
> > miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
> > not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
> > amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
> > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
> > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > This isn't math. And this isn't even a model.
> > > On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > > > paths.
> > > > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > > > > Ingersoll.
> I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> something?
Maybe you misunderstood. I was supposing in order to take this
argument to its logical conclusion. If you cruise the web under these
topics you will see the many claims of the miracles of faith. That
does not mean that they can infact be reproduced to the satisfaction
of a scientific standard. There are also various theories to explain
these occurances of faith and the apparant lapses of consistency in
these accounts between the old testament and the new testament.
> What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> happened.
Again, there may or may not be anything happening, what I am concerned
about is the claim that something happened, and so I suppose it to be
so to follow this claim to its logical conclusion. Maybe it seems
amusing in this way, even absurd, or maybe it doesn't seem so far
fetched. Maybe there is something to it.
On Nov 4, 11:53 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > conceivable that these works could be reproduced.
> I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> something?
> > And you here of it
> > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > obviously something to it.
> What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> happened.
> > But I think the question still remains, are
> > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> Unless there is some sort of causal connection to be made the answer
> is no.
> On Nov 4, 11:40 pm, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
> > for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
> > "administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
> > different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
> > powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
> > testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
> > story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
> > you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
> > beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
> > miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
> > not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
> > amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
> > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
> > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > This isn't math. And this isn't even a model.
> > > On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > > > paths.
> > > > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > > > > Ingersoll.
> On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > On Oct 16, 6:37 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > paths.
> > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Hello:
> > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > Ingersoll.
> > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > happened.
> Again, there may or may not be anything happening, what I am concerned
> about is the claim that something happened, and so I suppose it to be
> so to follow this claim to its logical conclusion. Maybe it seems
> amusing in this way, even absurd, or maybe it doesn't seem so far
> fetched. Maybe there is something to it.
Then say "maybe there is something to it" not "obviously something to
it". As best anyone can tell there isn't anything to any claims of
miracles. If anyone wants to propose that there is then it's up to
them to demonstrate it to be so, it doesn't matter whether or not a
few billion people in the world think that miracles happen.
On Nov 5, 6:38 am, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> > something?
> Maybe you misunderstood. I was supposing in order to take this
> argument to its logical conclusion. If you cruise the web under these
> topics you will see the many claims of the miracles of faith. That
> does not mean that they can infact be reproduced to the satisfaction
> of a scientific standard. There are also various theories to explain
> these occurances of faith and the apparant lapses of consistency in
> these accounts between the old testament and the new testament.
> > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > happened.
> Again, there may or may not be anything happening, what I am concerned
> about is the claim that something happened, and so I suppose it to be
> so to follow this claim to its logical conclusion. Maybe it seems
> amusing in this way, even absurd, or maybe it doesn't seem so far
> fetched. Maybe there is something to it.
> On Nov 4, 11:53 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > > conceivable that these works could be reproduced.
> > I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> > something?
> > > And you here of it
> > > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > > obviously something to it.
> > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > happened.
> > > But I think the question still remains, are
> > > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > Unless there is some sort of causal connection to be made the answer
> > is no.
> > On Nov 4, 11:40 pm, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
> > > for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
> > > "administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
> > > different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
> > > powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
> > > testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
> > > story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
> > > you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
> > > beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
> > > miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
> > > not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
> > > amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > > conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
> > > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > > obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
> > > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > > On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > This isn't math. And this isn't even a model.
> > > > On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > > > > paths.
> > > > > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > > > > > Ingersoll.
I am not so far at the end of the scale in my scepticism as you. I
like to entertain strange new ideas, and even strange old ones, if for
nothing more than their entertainment. Because I find when I take such
a hard-line view people become close-minded and I lose even the chance
for humor. If I am so sceptical I begin to wonder, "what is the point
of all this anyway? nobody is even learning anything. we just speak to
hear ourselves talk."
On Nov 5, 3:16 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > > happened.
> > Again, there may or may not be anything happening, what I am concerned
> > about is the claim that something happened, and so I suppose it to be
> > so to follow this claim to its logical conclusion. Maybe it seems
> > amusing in this way, even absurd, or maybe it doesn't seem so far
> > fetched. Maybe there is something to it.
> Then say "maybe there is something to it" not "obviously something to
> it". As best anyone can tell there isn't anything to any claims of
> miracles. If anyone wants to propose that there is then it's up to
> them to demonstrate it to be so, it doesn't matter whether or not a
> few billion people in the world think that miracles happen.
> On Nov 5, 6:38 am, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dag,
> > > I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> > > something?
> > Maybe you misunderstood. I was supposing in order to take this
> > argument to its logical conclusion. If you cruise the web under these
> > topics you will see the many claims of the miracles of faith. That
> > does not mean that they can infact be reproduced to the satisfaction
> > of a scientific standard. There are also various theories to explain
> > these occurances of faith and the apparant lapses of consistency in
> > these accounts between the old testament and the new testament.
> > > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > > happened.
> > Again, there may or may not be anything happening, what I am concerned
> > about is the claim that something happened, and so I suppose it to be
> > so to follow this claim to its logical conclusion. Maybe it seems
> > amusing in this way, even absurd, or maybe it doesn't seem so far
> > fetched. Maybe there is something to it.
> > On Nov 4, 11:53 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > > > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > > > conceivable that these works could be reproduced.
> > > I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> > > something?
> > > > And you here of it
> > > > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > > > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > > > obviously something to it.
> > > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > > happened.
> > > > But I think the question still remains, are
> > > > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > > Unless there is some sort of causal connection to be made the answer
> > > is no.
> > > On Nov 4, 11:40 pm, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
> > > > for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
> > > > "administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
> > > > different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
> > > > powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
> > > > testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
> > > > story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
> > > > you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
> > > > beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
> > > > miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
> > > > not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
> > > > amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > > > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > > > conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
> > > > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > > > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > > > obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
> > > > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > > > On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > This isn't math. And this isn't even a model.
> > > > > On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > > > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > > > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > > > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > > > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > > > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > > > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > > > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > > > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > > > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > > > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > > > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > > > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > > > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > > > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > > > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > > > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > > > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > > > > > paths.
> > > > > > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
> > > > > > > > > > "We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our
> > > > > > > > > > peril, risk and hazard." ~Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique, 1764
> > > > > > > > > > "Is it a small thing to make men truly free -- to destroy the dogmas of
> > > > > > > > > > ignorance, prejudice and power -- the poisoned fables of superstition,
> > > > > > > > > > and drive from the beautiful face of the earth the fiend of Fear?" --Robert
> > > > > > > > > > Ingersoll.
On Nov 5, 6:16 pm, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dag,
> I am not so far at the end of the scale in my scepticism as you.
Why the fuck not? Do you care about whether or not you're believing
true things or whether people lie to you?
> I
> like to entertain strange new ideas, and even strange old ones, if for
> nothing more than their entertainment.
So what? That doesn't mean you have to believe strange ideas just
because they popping into your head.
> Because I find when I take such
> a hard-line view people become close-minded and I lose even the chance
> for humor. If I am so sceptical I begin to wonder, "what is the point
> of all this anyway? nobody is even learning anything. we just speak to
> hear ourselves talk."
> On Nov 5, 3:16 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > > > happened.
> > > Again, there may or may not be anything happening, what I am concerned
> > > about is the claim that something happened, and so I suppose it to be
> > > so to follow this claim to its logical conclusion. Maybe it seems
> > > amusing in this way, even absurd, or maybe it doesn't seem so far
> > > fetched. Maybe there is something to it.
> > Then say "maybe there is something to it" not "obviously something to
> > it". As best anyone can tell there isn't anything to any claims of
> > miracles. If anyone wants to propose that there is then it's up to
> > them to demonstrate it to be so, it doesn't matter whether or not a
> > few billion people in the world think that miracles happen.
> > On Nov 5, 6:38 am, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Dag,
> > > > I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> > > > something?
> > > Maybe you misunderstood. I was supposing in order to take this
> > > argument to its logical conclusion. If you cruise the web under these
> > > topics you will see the many claims of the miracles of faith. That
> > > does not mean that they can infact be reproduced to the satisfaction
> > > of a scientific standard. There are also various theories to explain
> > > these occurances of faith and the apparant lapses of consistency in
> > > these accounts between the old testament and the new testament.
> > > > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > > > happened.
> > > Again, there may or may not be anything happening, what I am concerned
> > > about is the claim that something happened, and so I suppose it to be
> > > so to follow this claim to its logical conclusion. Maybe it seems
> > > amusing in this way, even absurd, or maybe it doesn't seem so far
> > > fetched. Maybe there is something to it.
> > > On Nov 4, 11:53 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > > > > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > > > > conceivable that these works could be reproduced.
> > > > I have no idea what you're talking about, could you give an example or
> > > > something?
> > > > > And you here of it
> > > > > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > > > > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > > > > obviously something to it.
> > > > What? No, there isn't anything to it. None of those things ever
> > > > happened.
> > > > > But I think the question still remains, are
> > > > > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > > > Unless there is some sort of causal connection to be made the answer
> > > > is no.
> > > > On Nov 4, 11:40 pm, TouchéTom <tdier...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hmmm, what if it really did happen that way. What are the implications
> > > > > for this day and age? I've heard different theories concerning
> > > > > "administration", that with the passing of Jesus we are under
> > > > > different laws, that a believer now cannot invoke the same type of
> > > > > powers that they could back in the old testament, that the old
> > > > > testament is for "learning" to build faith. And so if we take this
> > > > > story as factual, what benefit do we derive by taking it as faith? If
> > > > > you look at the book of Acts, which is basically the chronicle of the
> > > > > beginings of the early Christian church, there are accounts of
> > > > > miracles, healings, etc that the proselytes produced, that while maybe
> > > > > not on the grand scale of the old testament miracles, were still quite
> > > > > amazing. So there hasn't been any changes in "administration" since
> > > > > Acts, so by building ones faith in this learning process, it is
> > > > > conceivable that these works could be reproduced. And you here of it
> > > > > in the churches, even today, faith healing, praying for and seeing
> > > > > miracles in the spread of Gods word, and so forth. So there is
> > > > > obviously something to it. But I think the question still remains, are
> > > > > these phenomenons in themselves evidence of God's existence?
> > > > > On Nov 4, 9:59 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > This isn't math. And this isn't even a model.
> > > > > > On Nov 4, 5:38 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 3, 9:18 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > > > I don't think you have any math. Enjoy worshiping a dead man.
> > > > > > > > On Nov 3, 8:08 pm, Andrew3637 <sunnyokana...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I have been reading the book Genghis Khan, Life, Death, and
> > > > > > > > > resurrection by John Man. 23 geneticists studied the DNA from 2,000
> > > > > > > > > men across Eurasia. '"We knew there was something extraordinary in the
> > > > > > > > > data as soon as the student drew the first network. The star cluster
> > > > > > > > > stood out because of the high frequency, large numbers of neighbors,
> > > > > > > > > and distribution in many populations. We had never seen such a thing
> > > > > > > > > before. You can tell at a glance it represents a single extended
> > > > > > > > > family. Tatiana immediately said: "Ghengis Khan!". At first it seemed
> > > > > > > > > like a joke, but as we accummulated more data and did the
> > > > > > > > > calculations..this turned out to be the best explanation' p.2
> > > > > > > > > I have accummulated the data and done the calculations. God moving the
> > > > > > > > > sun around the earth with the planets is the best explanation. This is
> > > > > > > > > no joke either. If you bothered to read in depth and do the
> > > > > > > > > calculations yourself you would see for yourself. Orbits are simple
> > > > > > > > > and putting them back to normal is certainly possible. When the
> > > > > > > > > planets moved to appear in their seasons they would be 180 degrees
> > > > > > > > > from where they should normaly be every half year. Then God could move
> > > > > > > > > the sun and planets out of the reverse orbit in one simple movement.
> > > > > > > > > The math stands no matter how you ridicule it.
> > > > > > > > > > Agreed. When I skimmed the article at the beginning of this post my first
> > > > > > > > > > thought was "did I just read what I think I just read?" My next reaction
> > > > > > > > > > was to break out laughing. I am sure that the moving sun was able also to
> > > > > > > > > > carry planets like Mercury and Venus along and not wreck their orbital
> > > > > > > > > > paths.
> > > > > > > > > > That article is truly a masterful piece of fantastical humour.
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hello:
> > > > > > > > > > >> This is serious. All the math has been tested. Try it and see for
> > > > > > > > > > >> yourself that sun miracles in the Bible are true.
> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you see if you can prove it instead?
> > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Oct 11, 9:26 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Oct 10, 10:02 pm, Andrew3637 <s...@sunnyokanagan.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > The evidence is in. The Missing Day Story is true. Please readhttp://
> > > > > > > > > > >> sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/index.html
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Andrew Bennett
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Is this a joke or this nincompoop is serious?
> > > > > > > > > > >> > If only idiots like him applied 1% of the effort he spent on
> > > > > > > > > > >> > elaborating this complicated aplogy for a fairy tale on objectively
> > > > > > > > > > >> > evaluating whether the bible makes ense or not, there would be less
> > > > > > > > > > >> > shit going on around the world.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > ___________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > >> > God is a sound people make when they're too tired to think anymore.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > -- Edward Abbey
