On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> stance?
I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions and
philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
believe.
> If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
grow out of their need for superstition.
Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard to
take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> respond.
They are pushing religion like drugs.
> How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
needs to stop.
Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement. It
currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
they do not belong like education.
People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine of
choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
imposed on the rest of society.
> How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of belief.
The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt a
theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> starve to death?
Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to charitable
causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> the source of the myth)
> Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
reason to believe.
> Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> force?
Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on the
state and it's policies.
Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
that's it.
> If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> ought to be preserved.
> If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> Why not?
No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I don't
talk about it.
> If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> What value do you personally receive from posting here?
It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other atheists.
> What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> your country in relation to these issues?
I think my responses above have covered these things.
> Regards to all
> Psychonomist
-- Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
"Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant companion.
Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
Andromeda
I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
that's what they are. Fair game.
On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > stance?
> I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions and
> philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> believe.
> > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> grow out of their need for superstition.
> Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard to
> take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > respond.
> They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> needs to stop.
> Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement. It
> currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> they do not belong like education.
> People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine of
> choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> imposed on the rest of society.
> > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of belief.
> The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt a
> theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > starve to death?
> Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to charitable
> causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > the source of the myth)
> > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> reason to believe.
> > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > force?
> Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on the
> state and it's policies.
> Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> that's it.
> > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > ought to be preserved.
> > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > Why not?
> No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I don't
> talk about it.
> > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other atheists.
> > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > your country in relation to these issues?
> I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > Regards to all
> > Psychonomist
> --
> Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant companion.
> Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> Andromeda
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
> by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
> groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
> my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
> around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
> I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
> quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
> in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
> always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
> wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
> Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
> like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
> that's what they are. Fair game.
OK what I would like to know is what did you say to the Mormons! Any words
of wisdom that would have them wondering about their faith? You see when
you are confronted by someone of another viewpoint, can get you get them to
start the questioning process that leads to understanding, or do you leave
them in their misery?
> On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Obs.
> > Nice post!
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > stance?
> > I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions
> and
> > philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> > believe.
> > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> > grow out of their need for superstition.
> > Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> > themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> > It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> > increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> > I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard
> to
> > take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > respond.
> > They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> > established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> > needs to stop.
> > Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement.
> It
> > currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> > they do not belong like education.
> > People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine
> of
> > choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> > imposed on the rest of society.
> > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of
> belief.
> > The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt
> a
> > theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > starve to death?
> > Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to
> charitable
> > causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> > historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > > the source of the myth)
> > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> > reason to believe.
> > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > force?
> > Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> > Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on
> the
> > state and it's policies.
> > Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> > that's it.
> > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > ought to be preserved.
> > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > Why not?
> > No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I
> don't
> > talk about it.
> > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other
> atheists.
> > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > > Regards to all
> > > Psychonomist
> > --
> > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> > "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant
> companion.
> > Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> > Andromeda
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:20 AM, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
> by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
> groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
> my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
> around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
> I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
> quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
> in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
> always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
> wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
> Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
> like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
> that's what they are. Fair game.
I hear ya. However, I've never been rude to anyone in real life about their
religion.
In the example I'm talking about I was asked what my religion was and I
simply said I was an atheist.
My boss was a fundy with the Potters Church crowd and from that moment kept
harping on about his beliefs and how he was saved from drugs by his god.
I made a comment (quite politely) that I know how difficult it must have
been for him to make such a transition and that I knew someone else who had
also done so but without religion.
The "without religion" part was secondary to my commiserating With him.
But like many obnoxious theist assholes he picked up on that part and not
the main part which was that I was sympathizing with him.
I left that job.
It's never been an issue before because no-one ever asked before and it
hasn't been an issue since because I won't answer the question.
> On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Obs.
> > Nice post!
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > stance?
> > I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions
> and
> > philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> > believe.
> > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> > grow out of their need for superstition.
> > Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> > themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> > It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> > increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> > I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard
> to
> > take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > respond.
> > They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> > established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> > needs to stop.
> > Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement.
> It
> > currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> > they do not belong like education.
> > People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine
> of
> > choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> > imposed on the rest of society.
> > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of
> belief.
> > The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt
> a
> > theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > starve to death?
> > Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to
> charitable
> > causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> > historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > > the source of the myth)
> > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> > reason to believe.
> > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > force?
> > Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> > Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on
> the
> > state and it's policies.
> > Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> > that's it.
> > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > ought to be preserved.
> > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > Why not?
> > No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I
> don't
> > talk about it.
> > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other
> atheists.
> > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > > Regards to all
> > > Psychonomist
> > --
> > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> > "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant
> companion.
> > Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> > Andromeda
-- Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
"Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant companion.
Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
Andromeda
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:20 AM, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
> > by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
> > groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
> > my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
> > around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
> > I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
> > quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
> > in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
> > always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
> > wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
> > Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
> > like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
> > that's what they are. Fair game.
> I hear ya. However, I've never been rude to anyone in real life about their
> religion.
> In the example I'm talking about I was asked what my religion was and I
> simply said I was an atheist.
> My boss was a fundy with the Potters Church crowd and from that moment kept
> harping on about his beliefs and how he was saved from drugs by his god.
> I made a comment (quite politely) that I know how difficult it must have
> been for him to make such a transition and that I knew someone else who had
> also done so but without religion.
> The "without religion" part was secondary to my commiserating With him.
> But like many obnoxious theist assholes he picked up on that part and not
> the main part which was that I was sympathizing with him.
> I left that job.
> It's never been an issue before because no-one ever asked before and it
> hasn't been an issue since because I won't answer the question.
> My response is a very polite why does it matter?
> > On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Obs.
> > > Nice post!
> > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > > stance?
> > > I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions
> > and
> > > philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> > > believe.
> > > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > > Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> > > grow out of their need for superstition.
> > > Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> > > themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> > > It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> > > increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> > > I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard
> > to
> > > take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > > respond.
> > > They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > > Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> > > established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> > > needs to stop.
> > > Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement.
> > It
> > > currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> > > they do not belong like education.
> > > People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine
> > of
> > > choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> > > imposed on the rest of society.
> > > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > > They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of
> > belief.
> > > The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt
> > a
> > > theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > > starve to death?
> > > Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to
> > charitable
> > > causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > > Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> > > historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > > > the source of the myth)
> > > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> > > reason to believe.
> > > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > > force?
> > > Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> > > Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on
> > the
> > > state and it's policies.
> > > Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> > > that's it.
> > > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > > ought to be preserved.
> > > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > > Why not?
> > > No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I
> > don't
> > > talk about it.
> > > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > > It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other
> > atheists.
> > > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > > I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > > > Regards to all
> > > > Psychonomist
> > > --
> > > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> > > "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant
> > companion.
> > > Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> > > Andromeda
> --
> Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant companion.
> Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> Andromeda- Hide quoted text -
All I said to them was I don't want to talk to them about Jesus. They
asked if I knew Jesus. I told them no, go away. My pot smoking friend
sitting next to me on my front porch said that he knew Jesus. So I had
a discussion with him and discovered that he'd never read the Bible
and was a complete dummy when it came to history. He'd been introduced
to the Jesus myth while taking anger management classes to avoid going
to jail for domestic violence.
On Dec 1, 9:40 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
> > by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
> > groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
> > my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
> > around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
> > I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
> > quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
> > in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
> > always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
> > wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
> > Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
> > like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
> > that's what they are. Fair game.
> OK what I would like to know is what did you say to the Mormons! Any words
> of wisdom that would have them wondering about their faith? You see when
> you are confronted by someone of another viewpoint, can get you get them to
> start the questioning process that leads to understanding, or do you leave
> them in their misery?
> > On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Obs.
> > > Nice post!
> > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > > stance?
> > > I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions
> > and
> > > philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> > > believe.
> > > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > > Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> > > grow out of their need for superstition.
> > > Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> > > themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> > > It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> > > increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> > > I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard
> > to
> > > take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > > respond.
> > > They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > > Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> > > established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> > > needs to stop.
> > > Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement.
> > It
> > > currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> > > they do not belong like education.
> > > People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine
> > of
> > > choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> > > imposed on the rest of society.
> > > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > > They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of
> > belief.
> > > The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt
> > a
> > > theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > > starve to death?
> > > Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to
> > charitable
> > > causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > > Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> > > historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > > > the source of the myth)
> > > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> > > reason to believe.
> > > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > > force?
> > > Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> > > Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on
> > the
> > > state and it's policies.
> > > Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> > > that's it.
> > > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > > ought to be preserved.
> > > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > > Why not?
> > > No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I
> > don't
> > > talk about it.
> > > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > > It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other
> > atheists.
> > > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > > I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > > > Regards to all
> > > > Psychonomist
> > > --
> > > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> > > "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant
> > companion.
> > > Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> > > Andromeda
On Dec 1, 10:47 pm, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All I said to them was I don't want to talk to them about Jesus. They
> asked if I knew Jesus. I told them no, go away. My pot smoking friend
> sitting next to me on my front porch said that he knew Jesus. So I had
> a discussion with him and discovered that he'd never read the Bible
> and was a complete dummy when it came to history. He'd been introduced
> to the Jesus myth while taking anger management classes to avoid going
> to jail for domestic violence.
chx
hi huck. i'm gonna copy this post to my personal files. you said so
much here.
hey dude, did you know about 80% of jail visitors are 'christians' ;)
bwooaahahahah - i luv you man. hey bro, if it wasn't that i'm off the
stuff fer so long (30+ years), i'd say we share a slo' boat to
china ;) Durban poison dude, snap crackle pop! 'up in smoke' has
nothing on it dude. you should post more of this shit.
> On Dec 1, 9:40 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
> > > by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
> > > groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
> > > my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
> > > around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
> > > I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
> > > quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
> > > in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
> > > always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
> > > wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
> > > Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
> > > like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
> > > that's what they are. Fair game.
> > OK what I would like to know is what did you say to the Mormons! Any words
> > of wisdom that would have them wondering about their faith? You see when
> > you are confronted by someone of another viewpoint, can get you get them to
> > start the questioning process that leads to understanding, or do you leave
> > them in their misery?
> > > On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi Obs.
> > > > Nice post!
> > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > > > stance?
> > > > I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions
> > > and
> > > > philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> > > > believe.
> > > > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > > > Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> > > > grow out of their need for superstition.
> > > > Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> > > > themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> > > > It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> > > > increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> > > > I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard
> > > to
> > > > take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > > > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > > > respond.
> > > > They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > > > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > > > Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> > > > established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> > > > needs to stop.
> > > > Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement.
> > > It
> > > > currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> > > > they do not belong like education.
> > > > People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine
> > > of
> > > > choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> > > > imposed on the rest of society.
> > > > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > > > They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of
> > > belief.
> > > > The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt
> > > a
> > > > theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > > > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > > > starve to death?
> > > > Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to
> > > charitable
> > > > causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > > > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > > > Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> > > > historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > > > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > > > > the source of the myth)
> > > > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > > > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> > > > reason to believe.
> > > > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > > > force?
> > > > Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> > > > Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on
> > > the
> > > > state and it's policies.
> > > > Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> > > > that's it.
> > > > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > > > ought to be preserved.
> > > > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > > > Why not?
> > > > No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I
> > > don't
> > > > talk about it.
> > > > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > > > It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other
> > > atheists.
> > > > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > > > I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > > > > Regards to all
> > > > > Psychonomist
> > > > --
> > > > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> > > > "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant
> > > companion.
> > > > Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> > > > Andromeda- Hide quoted text -
On Dec 1, 8:43 pm, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> stance?
> If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
In its current form - yes.
> I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> respond.
I think they are mainly a scourge on the earth.
> How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
That's hard. You can't do much in a free society with the parents if
they
choose to be Christians. But, I really don't think religion should be
taught in State run educational institutions.
> How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
No differently from the above answer. The only time the concept of
atheism would be brought up is in response to religion. If that
isn't
taught, then neither would atheism be of concern.
> What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> starve to death?
Obscene. Even if the churches were taxed the going rate, or even
half the going rate, and that tax given out as projects to society
etc.
we would have a very different world.
> If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
Because it's a collection of stories. Look, even if it were true -
why should I have to accept all that vengeful crap?
> Why do you believe that there is a god (don’t quote the bible as it is
> the source of the myth)
> Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> force?
The first thing that must happen is that politics and religion must be
separated. Then the religious organizations need to be taxed. Get
rid of tax deductability for religious organizations. All religious
property
should be under state control. The only way you can stop it is by
hitting it in it's hip pocket. If you do that, then there would be no
telly evangelists etc. It must be run like a business, with all
profits
going to the community.
> If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> ought to be preserved.
> If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> Why not?
I'm not sure I understand the question, but I think the answer to the
question is yes.
> If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> What value do you personally receive from posting here?
I actually like debating with people from all walks of life, and
belief
systems.
> What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> your country in relation to these issues?
My family is fairly non-existent, but for those I see, we tend to
agree
on the lack of necessity for religion. In the community I tend to
support those organizations, and work with those organizations which
do not push religion, or expect a prayer from the person being helped.
With my country, I support those who do not have an openly religious
affiliation, have a good environmental platform, and who are
independent.
> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> stance?
Because Online is the only place where I am free to be myself. Many
people think "atheist" means immoral.
> If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
It will end eventually; Western society is more secular than it was a
mere 50 years ago.
> What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> respond.
They make their living spreading myths. I know a few who are very
nice people who believe they are doing something to make the world
better; I think they believe in their own propaganda.
> How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
No need to "protect" children from any influences. Children can think
for themselves. They should just be protected from coercion.
> What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> starve to death?
Disgusting. In the United States, churches should be forced into
paying property taxes like any other landowner.
> If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
I have read it, all of it, twice. It sounds like any other collection
of myths.
> Why do you not believe that there is a god?
No evidence for any gods.
> Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> force?
Some are very harnful, causing terrorists to believe they are acting
in a way their god wants.
Education is the only answer I can offer, but this does not always
work. Some terrorists are college graduates.
> If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> Why not?
See above; some people have a jaundiced view of atheists. I don't
like to get preached at or thought of as an immoral skank.
> What value do you personally receive from posting here?
I like to express my views, argue points, and learn from the other
posters here.
> What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> your country in relation to these issues?
I am very subtle about my beliefs, but I try to help out where I can
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > stance?
> I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions and
> philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> believe.
> > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> grow out of their need for superstition.
> Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard to
> take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > respond.
> They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> needs to stop.
> Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement. It
> currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> they do not belong like education.
> People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine of
> choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> imposed on the rest of society.
> > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of belief.
> The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt a
> theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > starve to death?
> Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to charitable
> causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > the source of the myth)
> > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> reason to believe.
> > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > force?
> Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on the
> state and it's policies.
> Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> that's it.
> > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > ought to be preserved.
> > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > Why not?
> No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I don't
> talk about it.
> > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other atheists.
> > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > your country in relation to these issues?
> I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > Regards to all
> > Psychonomist
> --
> Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant companion.
> Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> Andromeda
Observer
Thank you for a thoughtful reply. I always enjoy your bright clean
mind and its produce.
> On Dec 1, 8:43 pm, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > stance?
> > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> In its current form - yes.
> > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > respond.
> I think they are mainly a scourge on the earth.
> > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> That's hard. You can't do much in a free society with the parents if
> they
> choose to be Christians. But, I really don't think religion should be
> taught in State run educational institutions.
> > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> No differently from the above answer. The only time the concept of
> atheism would be brought up is in response to religion. If that
> isn't
> taught, then neither would atheism be of concern.
> > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > starve to death?
> Obscene. Even if the churches were taxed the going rate, or even
> half the going rate, and that tax given out as projects to society
> etc.
> we would have a very different world.
> > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> Because it's a collection of stories. Look, even if it were true -
> why should I have to accept all that vengeful crap?
> > Why do you believe that there is a god (don’t quote the bible as it is
> > the source of the myth)
> > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > force?
> The first thing that must happen is that politics and religion must be
> separated. Then the religious organizations need to be taxed. Get
> rid of tax deductability for religious organizations. All religious
> property
> should be under state control. The only way you can stop it is by
> hitting it in it's hip pocket. If you do that, then there would be no
> telly evangelists etc. It must be run like a business, with all
> profits
> going to the community.
> > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > ought to be preserved.
> > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > Why not?
> I'm not sure I understand the question, but I think the answer to the
> question is yes.
> > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> I actually like debating with people from all walks of life, and
> belief
> systems.
> > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > your country in relation to these issues?
> My family is fairly non-existent, but for those I see, we tend to
> agree
> on the lack of necessity for religion. In the community I tend to
> support those organizations, and work with those organizations which
> do not push religion, or expect a prayer from the person being helped.
> With my country, I support those who do not have an openly religious
> affiliation, have a good environmental platform, and who are
> independent.
> > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > stance?
> Because Online is the only place where I am free to be myself. Many
> people think "atheist" means immoral.
> > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> It will end eventually; Western society is more secular than it was a
> mere 50 years ago.
> > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > respond.
> They make their living spreading myths. I know a few who are very
> nice people who believe they are doing something to make the world
> better; I think they believe in their own propaganda.
> > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> No need to "protect" children from any influences. Children can think
> for themselves. They should just be protected from coercion.
> > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > starve to death?
> Disgusting. In the United States, churches should be forced into
> paying property taxes like any other landowner.
> > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> I have read it, all of it, twice. It sounds like any other collection
> of myths.
> > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> No evidence for any gods.
> > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > force?
> Some are very harnful, causing terrorists to believe they are acting
> in a way their god wants.
> Education is the only answer I can offer, but this does not always
> work. Some terrorists are college graduates.
> > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > Why not?
> See above; some people have a jaundiced view of atheists. I don't
> like to get preached at or thought of as an immoral skank.
> > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> I like to express my views, argue points, and learn from the other
> posters here.
> > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > your country in relation to these issues?
> I am very subtle about my beliefs, but I try to help out where I can
On Dec 1, 5:43 am, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> stance?
Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae
> If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
I like how the Confession puts it:
"yet, notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the
infallible truth and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work
of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our
hearts."
"Labeling Atheists
Some Christians have labeled atheists as stupid, devil-worshippers, or
morally void. Though there may be some atheists who fit these
categories (as would many in the general population), atheists are not
categorically stupid, devil-worshipping, degenerates with no morals.
Many of them are fine citizens, honest, caring, loving, and patient.
For a Christian, or anyone for that matter, to make a blanket
statement about atheists in a derogatory manner is wrong. It is the
same thing atheists sometimes do when they accuse Christians of being
irrational, psychotic, or stupid. Such accusations have no place on
either side of the argument of truth.
Generally speaking, atheists are not stupid. Many of them have thought
through their position over a long period of time and arrive at
conclusions after much thought. Some were raised in religious homes,
have seen what religion has to offer, and have rejected it. Of course,
I think that atheists have drawn incorrect conclusions about God, but
it doesn't mean they are dumb. Some atheists have presented very
cogent arguments against the existence of God, which need to be
addressed.
So, just because someone believes in God and encounters someone who
doesn't, that does not mean that either side is stupid. Labeling and
name-calling have no place in the discussion.
Ignoring Atheists' Questions
If you were standing on a railroad track and a train was heading your
way, closing your eyes and ignoring the locomotive will not make it go
away. If an atheist asks a question and you ignore it repeatedly, it
would be fair for him to conclude you were incapable of answering the
objection. Of course, this does not mean you have to always answer
everything because dialogue flows both ways. But, it is important
that you face issues. If you don't have an answer, admit it. That's
okay. It doesn't mean you are wrong. It means you don't have an
answer. Go study and get an answer and get back to him.
Stating that Atheism is a religion
Atheists will repeatedly tell you that they are not in a religion. A
religion almost always is defined to include belief in a deity of some
sort. Atheism is non-belief in a deity. It isn't necessarily a "belief
that there is no God," (though it can be)but is "not believing either
way."
To label an atheist as a religious person is to put up a roadblock to
effective communication. It would be like someone saying to a
Christian, "You believe in a mean, tyrannical being who likes to
torture people." The Christian would simply roll his eyes and think
that the person doesn't know what he's talking about. So, how much
effective conversation could there be in either instance? Not much.
Stating unsupportable facts
No one has all documentation for everything they say. It is not
reasonable to require proof from an atheist on everything said.
Nevertheless, if you are going to state a fact or two, it is good to
have the documentation at the tip of your tongue -- at least
occasionally, of have access to it. It adds to your credibility. Of
course, you don't have to document everything, but if you have some
illustrious fact to use, try and have it documented.
Never admitting when you are wrong
Pride is a harmful thing. It caused the fall. It ruins marriages.
It leads to anger and self-righteousness. It has no place in the
Christian's life. Never admitting you are wrong is being prideful.
If an atheist, or anyone, proves you wrong is something, be kind and
courteous. Admit you made a mistake and go on. Everyone makes
mistakes, even atheists. There is nothing wrong with admitting an
error. It no more proves you are wrong about Christianity than being
wrong about the color of a boat means boats don't exist. But, if you
never admit when you are wrong, you will not be able to convince
anyone in a discussion of your position. You will simply lose the
respect of the one with whom you are debating."
> On Dec 1, 5:43 am, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > stance?
> Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae
> > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> I like how the Confession puts it:
> "yet, notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the
> infallible truth and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work
> of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our
> hearts."
On 1 déc, 21:48, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae
> I like how the Confession puts it:
> Obedience to the wishes of my beloved Lord Jesus Christ.
Bla Bla Bla I love jesus Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla The bible
is true Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla If you do not agree with
me Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla You will go to hell
Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Fear god Bla Bla Bla
Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla I am right Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Objective truth of first principles Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla You are
wrong Bla Bla BlaBla Bla BlaBla Bla BlaBla Bla Bla Westminster
Confession Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Wikipedia Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Love god is not the same as poke out your eye with a pointed stick
Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Cesar
crossed the Rubicon Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla BlaBla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Bla Bla and 1.50$ will get you a coffee at most truck stops Bla Bla
Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla I am never wrong Bla Bla Bla
Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla mankind is not the
measurement of all things Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Bla Bla Bla Bla I tremble before my god Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Bla Bla Humans are born with sin Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Bla Bla Bla Only Jesus can save you from yourself Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Bla Or not :) Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla
Yes Brock, we know, we have heard it all before.
__________________________________________
Whenever morality is based on theology, whenever right is made
dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous
things can be justified and established.
-- Ludwig Feuerbach
Not sure I quite understand your point, Checkers. I don't smoke the
stuff myself. Don't drink either. But living in Humboldt County you
can bet that most of my friends smoke lots of pot. And they all seem
to be Christians, too. They say some pretty wacky stuff concerning
Jesus, especially when they've been smoking pot. A real superstitious
lot. And then there's the ones with dreadlocks that seem to believe
that Haile Selassie is a god. Pretty wacky, eh?
On Dec 1, 1:31 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 10:47 pm, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > All I said to them was I don't want to talk to them about Jesus. They
> > asked if I knew Jesus. I told them no, go away. My pot smoking friend
> > sitting next to me on my front porch said that he knew Jesus. So I had
> > a discussion with him and discovered that he'd never read the Bible
> > and was a complete dummy when it came to history. He'd been introduced
> > to the Jesus myth while taking anger management classes to avoid going
> > to jail for domestic violence.
> chx
> hi huck. i'm gonna copy this post to my personal files. you said so
> much here.
> hey dude, did you know about 80% of jail visitors are 'christians' ;)
> bwooaahahahah - i luv you man. hey bro, if it wasn't that i'm off the
> stuff fer so long (30+ years), i'd say we share a slo' boat to
> china ;) Durban poison dude, snap crackle pop! 'up in smoke' has
> nothing on it dude. you should post more of this shit.
> > On Dec 1, 9:40 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
> > > > by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
> > > > groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
> > > > my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
> > > > around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
> > > > I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
> > > > quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
> > > > in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
> > > > always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
> > > > wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
> > > > Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
> > > > like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
> > > > that's what they are. Fair game.
> > > OK what I would like to know is what did you say to the Mormons! Any words
> > > of wisdom that would have them wondering about their faith? You see when
> > > you are confronted by someone of another viewpoint, can get you get them to
> > > start the questioning process that leads to understanding, or do you leave
> > > them in their misery?
> > > > On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Obs.
> > > > > Nice post!
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > > > > stance?
> > > > > I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions
> > > > and
> > > > > philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> > > > > believe.
> > > > > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > > > > Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> > > > > grow out of their need for superstition.
> > > > > Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> > > > > themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> > > > > It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> > > > > increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> > > > > I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard
> > > > to
> > > > > take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > > > > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > > > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > > > > respond.
> > > > > They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > > > > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > > > > Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> > > > > established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> > > > > needs to stop.
> > > > > Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement.
> > > > It
> > > > > currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> > > > > they do not belong like education.
> > > > > People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine
> > > > of
> > > > > choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> > > > > imposed on the rest of society.
> > > > > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > > > > They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of
> > > > belief.
> > > > > The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt
> > > > a
> > > > > theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > > > > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > > > > starve to death?
> > > > > Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to
> > > > charitable
> > > > > causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > > > > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > > > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > > > > Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> > > > > historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > > > > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > > > > > the source of the myth)
> > > > > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > > > > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> > > > > reason to believe.
> > > > > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > > > > force?
> > > > > Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> > > > > Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on
> > > > the
> > > > > state and it's policies.
> > > > > Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> > > > > that's it.
> > > > > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > > > > ought to be preserved.
> > > > > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > > > > Why not?
> > > > > No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I
> > > > don't
> > > > > talk about it.
> > > > > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > > > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > > > > It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other
> > > > atheists.
> > > > > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > > > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > > > > I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > > > > > Regards to all
> > > > > > Psychonomist
> > > > > --
> > > > > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> > > > > "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant
> > > > companion.
> > > > > Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> > > > > Andromeda- Hide quoted text -
> On Dec 1, 8:43 pm, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > stance?
> > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> In its current form - yes.
> > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > respond.
> I think they are mainly a scourge on the earth.
> > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> That's hard. You can't do much in a free society with the parents if
> they
> choose to be Christians. But, I really don't think religion should be
> taught in State run educational institutions.
> > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> No differently from the above answer. The only time the concept of
> atheism would be brought up is in response to religion. If that
> isn't
> taught, then neither would atheism be of concern.
> > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > starve to death?
> Obscene. Even if the churches were taxed the going rate, or even
> half the going rate, and that tax given out as projects to society
> etc.
> we would have a very different world.
> > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> Because it's a collection of stories. Look, even if it were true -
> why should I have to accept all that vengeful crap?
> > Why do you believe that there is a god (don’t quote the bible as it is
> > the source of the myth)
> > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > force?
> The first thing that must happen is that politics and religion must be
> separated. Then the religious organizations need to be taxed. Get
> rid of tax deductability for religious organizations. All religious
> property
> should be under state control.
chx
hang on here, you said church and state must be seperated and now you
want the state to control. this is a communist thingy??
> The only way you can stop it is by
> hitting it in it's hip pocket. If you do that, then there would be no
> telly evangelists etc. It must be run like a business, with all
> profits
> going to the community.
> > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > ought to be preserved.
> > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > Why not?
> I'm not sure I understand the question, but I think the answer to the
> question is yes.
> > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> I actually like debating with people from all walks of life, and
> belief
> systems.
> > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > your country in relation to these issues?
> My family is fairly non-existent, but for those I see, we tend to
> agree
> on the lack of necessity for religion. In the community I tend to
> support those organizations, and work with those organizations which
> do not push religion, or expect a prayer from the person being helped.
> With my country, I support those who do not have an openly religious
> affiliation, have a good environmental platform, and who are
> independent.
On Dec 2, 5:25 am, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure I quite understand your point, Checkers. I don't smoke the
> stuff myself. Don't drink either. But living in Humboldt County you
> can bet that most of my friends smoke lots of pot. And they all seem
> to be Christians, too. They say some pretty wacky stuff concerning
> Jesus, especially when they've been smoking pot. A real superstitious
> lot. And then there's the ones with dreadlocks that seem to believe
> that Haile Selassie is a god. Pretty wacky, eh?
chx
don't break your head understanding. it is interesting that your
prisons are about 80% 'christian'
> On Dec 1, 1:31 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > On Dec 1, 10:47 pm, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > All I said to them was I don't want to talk to them about Jesus. They
> > > asked if I knew Jesus. I told them no, go away. My pot smoking friend
> > > sitting next to me on my front porch said that he knew Jesus. So I had
> > > a discussion with him and discovered that he'd never read the Bible
> > > and was a complete dummy when it came to history. He'd been introduced
> > > to the Jesus myth while taking anger management classes to avoid going
> > > to jail for domestic violence.
> > chx
> > hi huck. i'm gonna copy this post to my personal files. you said so
> > much here.
> > hey dude, did you know about 80% of jail visitors are 'christians' ;)
> > bwooaahahahah - i luv you man. hey bro, if it wasn't that i'm off the
> > stuff fer so long (30+ years), i'd say we share a slo' boat to
> > china ;) Durban poison dude, snap crackle pop! 'up in smoke' has
> > nothing on it dude. you should post more of this shit.
> > > On Dec 1, 9:40 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I guess I post here because I've seen more than one group torn apart
> > > > > by posts about religion. There are some real good folks in other
> > > > > groups that are Christians and I really don't want to offend them with
> > > > > my views about their wacky faith. Same with my friends and neighbors
> > > > > around town. I think Christianity is a scourge that plagues humanity,
> > > > > I'm shocked at all the innocent folks that have been drawn and
> > > > > quartered and burned at the stake in order to spread the cursed faith
> > > > > in Jesus, but I try to keep my views confined to this group. It's not
> > > > > always easy. Just a few days ago I chased away a couple Mormons that
> > > > > wanted to talk about Jesus. But Mormons are fair game. They're idiots.
> > > > > Who are they trying to fool with their white shirts and ties? Dressing
> > > > > like Young Republicans knocking on doors like it's their job. Morons,
> > > > > that's what they are. Fair game.
> > > > OK what I would like to know is what did you say to the Mormons! Any words
> > > > of wisdom that would have them wondering about their faith? You see when
> > > > you are confronted by someone of another viewpoint, can get you get them to
> > > > start the questioning process that leads to understanding, or do you leave
> > > > them in their misery?
> > > > > On Dec 1, 6:55 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Obs.
> > > > > > Nice post!
> > > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > > > > > stance?
> > > > > > I was raised an atheist and when I did explore many different religions
> > > > > and
> > > > > > philosophies, including Christianity, I found no compelling reason to
> > > > > > believe.
> > > > > > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > > > > > Eventually, yes. But it will take a very long time for the human race to
> > > > > > grow out of their need for superstition.
> > > > > > Hopefully, in the meantime, lunatic End of Timers won't take it upon
> > > > > > themselves to bring on their own Armageddon.
> > > > > > It takes patience and education. Already we are seeing an exponential
> > > > > > increase in atheism amongst the under-30s.
> > > > > > I believe theism realizes this and this is why they are pushing so hard
> > > > > to
> > > > > > take us back into the dark ages of pre-secularism.
> > > > > > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > > > > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > > > > > respond.
> > > > > > They are pushing religion like drugs.
> > > > > > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > > > > > Maintain complete separation of church and state. This concept is
> > > > > > established in the US but is being weakened by constant violations. This
> > > > > > needs to stop.
> > > > > > Other countries to need to establish this as a fundamental requirement.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > currently isn't in many countries, allowing religion to encroach in areas
> > > > > > they do not belong like education.
> > > > > > People have every right to indoctrinate their children in their doctrine
> > > > > of
> > > > > > choice, but it should be done in the privacy of their own homes and not
> > > > > > imposed on the rest of society.
> > > > > > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > > > > > They shouldn't and atheism isn't an influence it's simply a lack of
> > > > > belief.
> > > > > > The influence comes from theism. If people are left alone and don't adopt
> > > > > a
> > > > > > theist belief system they are usually atheist.
> > > > > > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > > > > > starve to death?
> > > > > > Insane. They should be required to prove that their money goes to
> > > > > charitable
> > > > > > causes and those dollars that do not should be taxed.
> > > > > > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > > > > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > > > > > Because it isn't :-). There is little evidence to support the bible as a
> > > > > > historical document. This would be required for it to be "true".
> > > > > > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don't quote the bible as it is
> > > > > > > the source of the myth)
> > > > > > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > > > > > There is no evidence to support this belief and therefore no compelling
> > > > > > reason to believe.
> > > > > > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > > > > > force?
> > > > > > Yes. It's behind much of the strife, terrorism, and war in the world.
> > > > > > Maintaining secular states and eliminating any influence of religion on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > state and it's policies.
> > > > > > Religion can and should remain a personal choice, a personal belief and
> > > > > > that's it.
> > > > > > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > > > > > ought to be preserved.
> > > > > > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > > > > > Why not?
> > > > > > No. I had a serious problem in one workplace because of it and now I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > talk about it.
> > > > > > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > > > > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > > > > > It's interesting. I enjoy debating. I learn a lot from the other
> > > > > atheists.
> > > > > > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > > > > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > > > > > I think my responses above have covered these things.
> > > > > > > Regards to all
> > > > > > > Psychonomist
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Witchy Woman, AvC Anti-Spam Brigade. AA Wolf Pack Member #7
> > > > > > "Change is the only constant in the universe. Fear its' constant
> > > > > companion.
> > > > > > Overcoming fear is the key to unlocking its' gifts." --Trance Gemini,
> > > > > > Andromeda- Hide quoted text -
"State" meaning community.
Wow, you are quick with your labels. No it's not a
communist thingy. Look chxs, if an organization in Aus has
tax exempt status, no one person or persons are allowed to
have control of that entity. People have to be elected into the
positions yearly, and all books audited, etc.
So, is this a communist thingy? No. It's a way to control
individuals from pushing their own barrow at the expense
of the community.
Why should religious institutions be dealt with any differently
than the rest of society?
On Dec 2, 5:58 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On Dec 2, 1:53 am, philosophy <smwil...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> > Hi Obs, my responses:
> > On Dec 1, 8:43 pm, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > stance?
> > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > In its current form - yes.
> > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > respond.
> > I think they are mainly a scourge on the earth.
> > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > That's hard. You can't do much in a free society with the parents if
> > they
> > choose to be Christians. But, I really don't think religion should be
> > taught in State run educational institutions.
> > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > No differently from the above answer. The only time the concept of
> > atheism would be brought up is in response to religion. If that
> > isn't
> > taught, then neither would atheism be of concern.
> > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > starve to death?
> > Obscene. Even if the churches were taxed the going rate, or even
> > half the going rate, and that tax given out as projects to society
> > etc.
> > we would have a very different world.
> > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > Because it's a collection of stories. Look, even if it were true -
> > why should I have to accept all that vengeful crap?
> > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don’t quote the bible as it is
> > > the source of the myth)
> > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > force?
> > The first thing that must happen is that politics and religion must be
> > separated. Then the religious organizations need to be taxed. Get
> > rid of tax deductability for religious organizations. All religious
> > property
> > should be under state control.
> chx
> hang on here, you said church and state must be seperated and now you
> want the state to control. this is a communist thingy??
> > The only way you can stop it is by
> > hitting it in it's hip pocket. If you do that, then there would be no
> > telly evangelists etc. It must be run like a business, with all
> > profits
> > going to the community.
> > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > ought to be preserved.
> > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > Why not?
> > I'm not sure I understand the question, but I think the answer to the
> > question is yes.
> > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > I actually like debating with people from all walks of life, and
> > belief
> > systems.
> > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > My family is fairly non-existent, but for those I see, we tend to
> > agree
> > on the lack of necessity for religion. In the community I tend to
> > support those organizations, and work with those organizations which
> > do not push religion, or expect a prayer from the person being helped.
> > With my country, I support those who do not have an openly religious
> > affiliation, have a good environmental platform, and who are
> > independent.
On Dec 2, 10:51 am, philosophy <smwil...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> "State" meaning community.
> Wow, you are quick with your labels. No it's not a
> communist thingy. Look chxs, if an organization in Aus has
> tax exempt status, no one person or persons are allowed to
> have control of that entity. People have to be elected into the
> positions yearly, and all books audited, etc.
> So, is this a communist thingy? No. It's a way to control
> individuals from pushing their own barrow at the expense
> of the community.
> Why should religious institutions be dealt with any differently
> than the rest of society?
chx
so what are you describing, an NGO. there be the permanent staff and
the board. the board is voted in annually. NGO's here are not to show
a profit. they must plough profit back into the community. this does
not always happen as the 'profits' are awarded to the senior staff as
*performance bonuses* even bi-annually.
with churches i see them as 'clubs' where all members of that church
pays in. i recon if there are 1000 members in that church, the first
to benefit should be the member that looses his job and the poorer
members. once a balance is found, the excess can go to the immediate
community. if there is no needy then send it elsewhere where it is
needed. if the state is in control, the money of that community will
go who knows where?
ok, the above is how i imagine it should work. how it actually works i
have no clue.
if the funds should work like taxes, well then, whats the point of
paying in anything to ones own church.
i'll demonstrate. a squatter camp develops overnight on the commune.
the municipality gets funds from the government and the locals from
rates and taxes. the municipality has many poor of it's own. they
build houses and places the squatters in those homes. their own poor
still have no homes. within 48 hours, the squatter camp is full again.
this is interesting because they are brought in from rural areas by
the bus load. more houses are build for them, the municipal poor are
still homeless. this is repeated until the money runs out and new
squatter camps pop up. why don't they build houses for their own poor?
the government dictates who the funds are for. btw, the government
provides the transport for the squatters, why? votes dude, VOTES!
so to say the state must be in charge of funds of a community is bad,
bad news. it be what happened in USSR = communist. next they will burn
and destroy all churches or turn them into pubs etc. the community is
uprooted and all caring goes for a shit...but then, that's the aim not
so!
> On Dec 2, 5:58 pm, checkers <mkone...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> > On Dec 2, 1:53 am, philosophy <smwil...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> > > Hi Obs, my responses:
> > > On Dec 1, 8:43 pm, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > > > stance?
> > > > If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
> > > In its current form - yes.
> > > > I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> > > > What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> > > > respond.
> > > I think they are mainly a scourge on the earth.
> > > > How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> > > That's hard. You can't do much in a free society with the parents if
> > > they
> > > choose to be Christians. But, I really don't think religion should be
> > > taught in State run educational institutions.
> > > > How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
> > > No differently from the above answer. The only time the concept of
> > > atheism would be brought up is in response to religion. If that
> > > isn't
> > > taught, then neither would atheism be of concern.
> > > > What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> > > > starve to death?
> > > Obscene. Even if the churches were taxed the going rate, or even
> > > half the going rate, and that tax given out as projects to society
> > > etc.
> > > we would have a very different world.
> > > > If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> > > > If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> > > Because it's a collection of stories. Look, even if it were true -
> > > why should I have to accept all that vengeful crap?
> > > > Why do you believe that there is a god (don’t quote the bible as it is
> > > > the source of the myth)
> > > > Why do you not believe that there is a god?
> > > > Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> > > > force?
> > > The first thing that must happen is that politics and religion must be
> > > separated. Then the religious organizations need to be taxed. Get
> > > rid of tax deductability for religious organizations. All religious
> > > property
> > > should be under state control.
> > chx
> > hang on here, you said church and state must be seperated and now you
> > want the state to control. this is a communist thingy??
> > > The only way you can stop it is by
> > > hitting it in it's hip pocket. If you do that, then there would be no
> > > telly evangelists etc. It must be run like a business, with all
> > > profits
> > > going to the community.
> > > > If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> > > > ought to be preserved.
> > > > If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> > > > Why not?
> > > I'm not sure I understand the question, but I think the answer to the
> > > question is yes.
> > > > If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> > > > What value do you personally receive from posting here?
> > > I actually like debating with people from all walks of life, and
> > > belief
> > > systems.
> > > > What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> > > > your country in relation to these issues?
> > > My family is fairly non-existent, but for those I see, we tend to
> > > agree
> > > on the lack of necessity for religion. In the community I tend to
> > > support those organizations, and work with those organizations which
> > > do not push religion, or expect a prayer from the person being helped.
> > > With my country, I support those who do not have an openly religious
> > > affiliation, have a good environmental platform, and who are
> > > independent.
On 1 Dec, 10:43, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> stance?
spare time in work.
> If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
no, i just want to see an end to theist influence in my life.
> I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
theres good and bad, problem is that the automatic respect their
congregation gives them and their hierarchy, means that the bad can be
allowed to be very bad for a very long time.
> respond.
> How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
science education, that all it needs.
> How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
science education again.
> What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> starve to death?
happy to be led by the implication in the question.
> If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
"its the evidence stupid"
> Why do you believe that there is a god (don’t quote the bible as it is
> the source of the myth)
> Why do you not believe that there is a god?
"i had no need of that hypothesis"
> Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> force?
"education, education, education"
> If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> ought to be preserved.
> If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> Why not?
metophorically have atheist sex in public.
> If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> What value do you personally receive from posting here?
I used to drop in on groups like alt.atheism but as im posting in the
gaps between working i couldnt give it enough time for thought.
Levels of theist knowledge on this group make them an easier target.
> What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> your country in relation to these issues?
we dont have the rabid "public" theists in UK, at least not nearly as
much as in the USA and we are constantly working to stop Americans
importing them with the bigmacs.
My main responsibility is to be openly radically atheist, so that
anybody in the "closet" can realise that the worst it gets you is a
couple of funny looks and the occasional "conversation" with idiots
that usually has me banging my head on anything to hand going;-
"look we DONT come from monkeys ok, we share an historical ancestor
with apes and thats why you wont see a monkey giving birth to a
human,. Do you get it now?"
On Dec 1, 5:43 am, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> stance?
In searching for truth, I believe it's important to start with a clean
slate; with as few preconceived notions as possible. It's difficult
for me to do that at times because I was brought up in a Christian
family; but I think taking a rational, atheistic position is a first
step in clearing my mind of non-sensical preconceived notions.
> If you are an atheist, do you want to see an end to Christianity?
I would like to see an end to irrational belief systems and blind
faith in general. I think that over time with continued education,
this could happen; but in reality it probably won't.
> I need not ask a corresponding question of Christians.
> What do you think of priests and preachers? Either group please
> respond.
The priests and preachers I have encountered are as varied as other
people I have encountered throughout my life. Some are intelligient,
giving, decent people; some are very much the opposite; and there are
many shades of grey in between.
> How, should children be protected from the influence of Christianity?
> How, should, children be protected from the influence of atheism?
I think children should be exposed to a variety of ideas, but they
should not be forced to adopt any particular set. They should make
their own choices. Adults should give a good educational foundation
and teach tolerance and decency by example in their own lives.
> What do you think of the obscene wealth of churches while millions
> starve to death?
> If you are a Christian why do you believe that the bible is true?.
> If you are an atheist why do you not believe that the bible is true?
> Why do you believe that there is a god (don’t quote the bible as it is
> the source of the myth)
> Why do you not believe that there is a god?
Lack of evidence.
> Is religion harmful to the world? If so how do we stop its destructive
> force?
> If you believe that religion is good for the world how do you think it
> ought to be preserved.
My feeling is that religion has the potential to be good for the world
if it's united with some kind of rational framework. For those that
don't have the ability to understand everything in the rational
framework, correct belief would be the next best thing. Intolerant,
extremist, crusading religions are the dangerous ones in my opinion.
> If you are an atheist are you completely out of the closet? If not.
> Why not?
I haven't been in the closet since I have been an atheist. In the
majority of my day to day life, it doesn't come into play. When the
subject of religion or belief in god does come up, I have no fear
expressing my position.
> If you are a Christian do you evangelize? If so why?
> What value do you personally receive from posting here?
It helps me clarify my ideas and weed out conceptions that don't make
sense.
> What are your responsibilities to your family, your community, and
> your country in relation to these issues?
As others have posted, I think it's key to keep church and state
separate. I especially believe it's important to keep pseudo-science
like creationism and religious practices out of public school
curriculum.
On 2 Dec, 11:58, klytu <jazzyjef...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 1, 5:43 am, Observer <mayors...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Why are you here supporting Christianity or positing an atheistic
> > stance?
> In searching for truth, I believe it's important to start with a clean
> slate; with as few preconceived notions as possible. It's difficult
> for me to do that at times because I was brought up in a Christian
> family; but I think taking a rational, atheistic position is a first
> step in clearing my mind of non-sensical preconceived notions.
late at night i sometime have doubts about my atheism, i look at the
universe and wonder did this really come from nothing?"
but then i look at the alternative theist explanations and laugh and
laugh and laugh.
|
