Are You Really Enlightened?

[godszen]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PMjOavf6em0&feature=related

[Anandanand]

I have learnt a bit of yoga from a master. If you stop your thought
process and all other mental activity (even if you stop thoughts the
mind still runs around looking here and there, listening, and doing
all such bodily activities)for 6 seconds (or somewhere thereabouts) it
becomes Dhyana. And many such dhyanas in continuation make a samadhi.
(of samadhi there are, I believe, many types) Normally you do all this
sitting in Padmasan or Siddhasan (sitting postures). When the above is
done while doing all day-to-day activities, maybe that is what is
Sahaja Nirvikalpa samadhi.
Of course this process is done in steps. so much for my knowledge
about enlightenment.

On Apr 30, 1:21 pm, godszen <gods...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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[Ram]

Sahaja samadhi, Life spontaneously living itself, without any concept
(nirvikalpa) of doing or not doing, enlightened or unenlightened,
steps or processes. Just what is, being itself. How much time does
that take?

;~)

[Anandanand]

For you or for ME ?

For you I don't know.
for ME I really don't know !
As long as I can make loads of money and spend it comfortably, longer
the better !

[Ram]

"For you or for ME ?"

Kindly explain the difference.

:~)

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[Anandanand]

On a serious note, you have already explained. In my words, to say
that there is a difference and explain, will amount to not being
honest and to say there is none will be dishonest on my part.

The day I feel the pain of someone else, I could say there is none. Or
will I?

[Ram]

If you are seeking, then be clear about what it is that you are
seeking and be one-pointed about that with resolve. In other words,
find out who you really are. Earnestness and resolve will not let you
be led astray. Without such resolve, surely you will only bob around
and then be drowned in a sea of concepts and opinions.

Namaste

Since you didn't answer that question, how many paisa to the Euro?

:o)

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[Anandanand]

On Apr 30, 6:24 pm, Ram <ram.samar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are seeking, then be clear about what it is that you are
> seeking and be one-pointed about that with resolve. In other words,
> find out who you really are. Earnestness and resolve will not let you
> be led astray.

Certainly.

Without such resolve, surely you will only bob around
> and then be drowned in a sea of concepts and opinions.

Am I already not? Don't I already have sea of concepts to be worried
about a few drops more? Won't even seven seas dry out if they have
to?

Not questions, more concepts.

[Richard]

-- A decafeinated (?) Ram asks how much time does that take?
Good koan.

--godszen, that guy in the video will be in your neck of the woods
June 1. Going?

--Enlightenment....a dualistic word as opposed
to endarkenment.

--(From song)"Gonna teach you how to meditate, read your horiscope and
cheat your fate, furthermore the hell with hate, come on aboard. Oh
the games people play now..."

[Richard]

Boddhidharma said, "This one life has no form and is empty by nature.
If you become attached by any form, you should reject it. If you see
an ego, a soul, a birth, or a death, reject them all".

To this Seung Sahn might add, "And stop making them".

[jaiguru]

Man can gain boundless happiness by merely turning the mind inwards.
Heart of every being is full of sound, light and joy. Curb the outside
attractions and return back to your home.

As long as the human being doesn’t dive inside of himself, his
miseries do not cease. Calling Him forever and ever, dive deep into
your self.

[Richard]

I like that: dive deep into yourself.

Goenka put it, Go from subtler to subtler.

[Gary]

The point was made that with enlightenment one masters the thought
process and can will thought, or not. OK, so who is willing the
thought and isn;t the will just another thought and who is going to
will the will and will the will the will and row row row your boat
gently down the stream..merrily merrily merrily merrily..life is but a
dream.

[empty2]

Exactly, - all the same shit [sorry, I'll try not to say that again
(:)]

Enlightened?

Who, me?

Me who?

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[Ram]

Exactly!

Enlightened?
Who, me?
Me who?

Exactly!

Wait, so everybody's enlightened except Godszen?

Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily.....

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[Ram]

AnandX2 wrote:

"Am I already not? Don't I already have sea of concepts to be worried
about a few drops more? Won't even seven seas dry out if they have
to?"

Are you not "already not"? What is your purpose in life?

"There are seven main factors that make a body, such as bones,
muscles, blood, etc.(the seven seas). These are all called Dhatu, or
essential elements of the body. This is the physical body. All these
run the mill called the body, and the product of this mill is nothing
but shit. I am not the physical body. I am not the subtle body. This
body is constantly punishable, which means that everyday the body is
receiving punishment. The individual, the Jiva, is always suffering
punishment. Who is it that should be called a monk? One who gives up
external things and calls himself a Sanyasi? No, simply giving up
external things does not make you a Sanyasi! When I am not the mind,
and I am not my intellect, the actions done by the mind and intellect
whether good or bad, are also not mine. One who knows this, is Free."

or....

"The primary urge that arises in Brahman is God. That itself, is what
is called God, and it is the Primal Illusion (MoolaMaya). The Primal
Illusion, which is the subtle elements, and the state of disturbed
equilibrium of the Gunas, is a state of Inertia. When it becomes a
movement, it is called the Air principal, or Wind (Vayu). There are
five oceans. The five elements, Earth, Water, Fire (Light), Air
(Wind), and Sky (Space) are these oceans. The Consciousness (Mahat) is
the sixth ocean, and Chaitanya is the seventh ocean. So, it is said
there are seven seas.

That which is apparent is destructible. What you think it to be, it is
not in reality. It is not what you conceive, and you cannot conceive
it as it really is. You should see it as it is, naturally in "Itself."
Then you will not see it with your desire. Your inner sight, the
"Vision of the Self," is that Shiva-Shakti, the quality of Shiva,
supreme benevolence. From this "Self-Vision," the creation of the
universe takes place. In that creation, desire is of no use to you,
because you exist first, and the looking at objects comes afterwards.
Don’t forget that this entire creation is within your own "Self-
Vision."

- Shri Siddharameshwar Maharaj from "Master of Self-Realization";
"Adhyatma Dynanacha Yogeshwar" in Marathi.

Either way, when the seven seas dry up, all that remains is your self
without the ocean of concepts that are only imaginary bondage.

[jaiguru]

As long as there is 'I' [pride and ego] nothing can be achieved. The
root cause of all sufferings pertaining to the outside world lies in
the ignorance 'I am the body'.

[Richard]

Are you enlightened? Empty2 asks the question of the wise owl: Who,
who?

The old story of one monk meditating while another is polishing a
stone to make it into a mirror. How can you turn a stone into a mirror
by polishing it?, asks the first monk. Replies the second, How can you
turn you into a Buddha by meditating?

Saw an amusing graph on a website. Running across the top of the graph
horizontally is 'enlightenment'. Running across the bottom of the
graph horizontally is 'ego'. In the center of the graph is a vertical
line from top ('enlightenment') to bottom ('ego'). Point being
enlightenment is enlightenment and ego is ego and never the twain
shall meet (except in passing).

[empty2]

Indeed, how can you the ego escape the ego when you who want to escape
are the ego you want to escape from?

Nisargadatta says somewhere that there are two ways - either to dis-
identify totally with anything at all, or to totally identify with
everything.

Ego is only that which appears to make everything divided by referring
all experience to a 'separate identity'- the reference point of a
momentary body and its accumulated memory of experience. As such it is
just as much part (albeit the apparently central and pivotal part) of
the phenomenon of existence as anything else, - a reflection of the
real which is.

Nis. says:

"Personality (ego) is merely a reflection of the real. Why should not
the reflection be true to the original as a matter of course,
automatically? Need the person have any designs of its own? The life
of which it is an expression will guide it. Once you realize that the
person is merely a shadow of the reality, but not reality itself, you
cease to fret and worry. You agree to be guided from within and life
becomes a journey into the unknown."

I recently happened upon this blog 'Abandon any hope of fruition'
giving a 'Buddhist' perspective -

http://luminousemptiness.blogspot.com/2007/10/abandon-any-hope-of-fruition.html

Here's a couple of quotes:

"One of the most powerful teachings of the Buddhist tradition is that
as long as you are wishing for things to change, they never will. As
long as you're wanting yourself to get better, you won't. As long as
you have an orientation toward the future, you can never just relax
into what you already have or already are."

"As long as you're wanting to be thinner, smarter, more enlightened,
less uptight, or whatever it might be, somehow you're always going to
be approaching your problem with the very same logic that created it
to begin with: you're not good enough. That's why the habitual pattern
never unwinds itself when you're trying to improve, because you go
about it in exactly the same habitual style that caused all the pain
to start."

"Someone once told me, "When you feel afraid, that's 'fearful Buddha.'
" That could be applied to whatever you feel. Maybe anger is your
thing. You just go out of control, and you see red, and the next thing
you know you're yelling or throwing something or hitting someone. At
that time, begin to accept the fact that that's "enraged Buddha." If
you feel jealous, that's "jealous Buddha." If you have indigestion,
that's "buddha with heartburn." If you're happy, "happy buddha"; if
bored, "bored buddha." In other words, anything that you can
experience or think is worthy of compassion; anything you could think
or feel is worthy of appreciation.

This teaching was powerful for me; it stuck. I would find myself in
various states of mind and various moods, going up and down, going
left and right, falling on my face and sitting up-just in all these
different life situations-and I would remember, "Buddha falling flat
on her face; Buddha feeling on top of the world; Buddha longing for
yesterday." I began to learn that I couldn't get away from Buddha no
matter how hard I tried. I could stick with myself through thick and
thin. If one would enter into an unconditional relationship with
oneself, one would be entering into an unconditional relationship with
Buddha."

[Sandeep-Kuber Technologies]

empty2 wrote:

Indeed, how can you the ego escape the ego when you who want to escape
are the ego you want to escape from?

Nisargadatta says somewhere that there are two ways - either to dis-
identify totally with anything at all, or to totally identify with
everything.

Ego is only that which appears to make everything divided by referring
all experience to a 'separate identity'- the reference point of a
momentary body and its accumulated memory of experience.

The sense of an ego( as a sense of an individuated separative volitional entity)......
....is synonymous to a sense of an experience.

Neither can appear to exist without the other.

And for completion to be complete........it must include all experiences.

Hence for completion to be complete, the arising sense of an individuated separative volitional entity, the ensuing sense of adventure(aka a collage of experiences)as a consequence...

..are all necessary ingredients to spice up the broth.

As is the inevitable boredom with the broth, no matter how spicy.

There is a million dollar industry both in the material world and in the spiritual world, which teaches, fine-tunes-previous helps, expands, progresses to higher levels in how to haul yourself up by your shoe laces.

Or how to stamp out of existence....... your own shadow.

And in reaction,......... a whole school of thought that such attempts are futile and that in order to reach, one must spurn, reject such attempts.

Both want to reach.

One through assertion, affirmation, the other through negation.

Both are also nuances which completes completion.

"Someone once told me, "When you feel afraid, that's 'fearful Buddha.'
" That could be applied to whatever you feel. Maybe anger is your
thing. You just go out of control, and you see red, and the next thing
you know you're yelling or throwing something or hitting someone. At
that time, begin to accept the fact that that's "enraged Buddha." If
you feel jealous, that's "jealous Buddha." If you have indigestion,
that's "buddha with heartburn." If you're happy, "happy buddha"; if
bored, "bored buddha." In other words, anything that you can
experience or think is worthy of compassion; anything you could think
or feel is worthy of appreciation.

This teaching was powerful for me; it stuck. I would find myself in
various states of mind and various moods, going up and down, going
left and right, falling on my face and sitting up-just in all these
different life situations-and I would remember, "Buddha falling flat
on her face; Buddha feeling on top of the world; Buddha longing for
yesterday." I began to learn that I couldn't get away from Buddha no
matter how hard I tried. I could stick with myself through thick and
thin. If one would enter into an unconditional relationship with
oneself, one would be entering into an unconditional relationship with
Buddha."
  

Yes, unconditionality which is partial or specific.............is just conditionality.

Unconditional relationship is the apperception that no relationship, either conditional or unconditional.....
.... is ever possible, with anything.

[empty2]

zip-a-dee-doo-dah-dey, Sandeep!

Nothing more to say.

On May 4, 12:27 pm, Sandeep-Kuber Technologies

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[jaiguru]

Sri Omkarnath says "Whatever is happening in this world, whatever has
happened, as also whatever will transpire, is the work of merciful
Lord of this universe. He shines forth as the primordial cause, but
reflects in the form of the doer. It is the foolish men devoid of
philosophic knowledge who vainly entertain egoism."

The root cause of the disease of samsara [this world] lies in 'I', 'my
self', 'me' and 'mine'. The degree to which 'me' and 'mine' is
pronounced in a man, to the same degree is his misery enhanced.

[empty2]

Jaiguru, yes, the Buddha being a little me is a Buddha having lots of
problems.

Sandeep, the Buddha having second thoughts about saying nothing is
thinking Sandeep Buddha is being very wise.

[Richard]

The Buddha who was the Buddha entertained the choice between
remaining silently in bliss vs. teaching others who may not
understand. Compassion won out.

Something said by Sandeep brought up a question. Is unconditionality
itself conditioned (a type of hypnosis), or is a dehypnosis of the
already conditioned self? Or neither?

[Ram]

Those who wish to understand cannot be dissuaded. Buddha had no choice
whether to give guidance or not. The flowers of concepts disappeared
like the clouds in the sky, or like wind into space. What remained?

Unconditionally unconditioned.

Yes, neither, nor.

[empty2]

Conditioned by our thoughts
to live a little story,
unconditioned
who are we?

>Is unconditionality
itself conditioned (a type of hypnosis), or is a dehypnosis of the
already conditioned self? Or neither?

As with most of these concepts denoting a 'spiritual' process or
movement, they come to describe a concept of ultmate stasis, however
all concepts are conditional until viewed unconditionally, ie. having
no relevance or existence as such at all.

>The Buddha who was the Buddha entertained the choice between
remaining silently in bliss vs. teaching others who may not
understand. Compassion won out.

Did he? Did he see any difference? Was one exclusive of the other?
When unity is seen in diversity, is there any diversity?

Regarding the concept of choice, I too have a question........when it
seems that some major life decision is required to be made but the
ability to decide seems lacking, is it due to a) procrastination, b)
reluctance to consider the future as not being now, c) the time's not
right....yet (scary), d) it's all an illusion including the idea of
being the doer, and concern with what will happen is irrelevant,
or....? Any views on this rather mundane but at times all too real
question when thinking just goes round in circles and is quite a pain,
or is it just Buddha being indecisive?

On May 4, 11:33 pm, Richard <richar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Mahakali]

empty2 wrote:

> Regarding the concept of choice, I too have a question........when it seems that some major life decision is required to be made but the ability to decide seems lacking...?  Any views on this rather mundane but at times all too real question when thinking just goes round in circles and is quite a pain, or is it just Buddha being indecisive?

The more relaxed you are about the topic/matter at hand, the quicker
and the wiser the choice will be. Of course, at times, you will have
to go away and think about it especially in the case of major life
decision.

If the problem is about "thinking just going around in circles" then,
ask yourself if you have all of the instruments for you to be making
an informed choice.

When I feel I am unable to make a decision or think the problem
through carefully, I take a piece of paper and I write the "pros" and
"cons" and then I decide...but the older I get the less I am willing
to risk!

Kali

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> On May 4, 11:33 pm, Richard <richar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >  The Buddha who was the Buddha entertained the choice between
> > remaining silently in bliss vs. teaching others who may not
> > understand. Compassion won out.
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[empty2]

Thanks Kali, I feel a bit stupid for asking the question but it does
speak of the dilemma of taking self-responsbility or not for one's
fate whilst subjecting the same self to neti, neti. My present
attitude is much as you recommend, ie. pretty relaxed, but with the
niggly fear that crunch-time will arrive with my being none the wiser
and being carried off laughing madly to some institution, classified
as a disfunctional human being! - a kind of 'faith brinkmanship'
although faith (that all will be well) seems an unecessary doubt,
laden with partiality -the challenge of renouncing preference in
regard to outcomes.

Not to worry, I can only wait and watch whatever unfolds, and I
suppose suspense is part of any movie; just it gets harder not to get
sucked in with the actor stealing the show.

I've tried your second option but get confused as to which criteria I
should use to judge the pros and cons - material, emotional,
intellectual, - spiritual? Who am I? - this isn't fair!

I'm reminded of:

"The mind of the man seeking liberation can find no resting place
within, but the mind of the liberated man is always free from desire
by the very fact of being without a resting place". The Ashtavakra
Gita

However, your final " but the older I get the less I am willing to
risk!" sounds all too familiar! (:)

All the best.

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[Mahakali]

Hi Empty, there is the (Indian) story of a poor man/cobbler who
everyday would crosses a busy bridge full of people. One day, the king
notices him and he gives orders that, on the next day, when the
cobbler was going to cross the bridge, for the bridge to be empty of
people and for a pot of gold to be left in the middle of the bridge.
On the next day, everyone was prevented from crossing the bridge and a
pot of gold was left in the middle of the bridge. When the cobbler
reached the bridge, he noticed something on the outside of the bridge
and he totally, completely missed the pot of gold which was placed
almost in front of him...

Conclusion: it does not matter whatever you or is done for you,
destiny is destiny and you cannot know your destiny.

All the best!

Kali

P.S. Also this is from Woody Allen: What happens when a popular artist
is held captive by an adoring audience that doesn't want him to
change? The answer may come from an extraterrestrial, who in one of
the many fantasy sequences advises the comedian, "You want to do
mankind a real service? Tell funnier jokes."

[Sandeep-Kuber Technologies]

empty2 wrote:

Regarding the concept of choice, I too have a question........when it
seems that some major life decision is required to be made but the
ability to decide seems lacking, is it due to a) procrastination, b)
reluctance to consider the future as not being now, c) the time's not
right....yet (scary), d) it's all an illusion including the idea of
being the doer, and concern with what will happen is irrelevant,
or....?

All of these thoughts..... are the very ingredients making up the agony of the rooster.

Meanwhile to a major life fork.......the response (of totality) could be in the form of a waiting, or in the form
of a choice getting exercised in taking this step.

Or that one.

 

  Any views on this rather mundane but at times all too real
question when thinking just goes round in circles and is quite a pain,
or is it just Buddha being indecisive?
  

There is actually no indecisiveness ever.

The self/mind/entity believes that vacillation is confusion.

As if the seemingly achieved mental clarity....... is clarity.

I've tried your second option but get confused as to which criteria I
should use to judge the pros and cons - material, emotional,
intellectual, - spiritual? Who am I? - this isn't fair!

After listing all the pros and cons, using the criteria of material, emotional and intellectual...as well as any other criteria than you can come up with ..


..flip a coin.

Specially when the possible consequences are humongous.

 

[empty2]

Ha! Of course.......the rooster.

I really don't want to make a big deal out of this.......but this
today from cainer.com horoscopes:

"Knives are dangerous. So are cars. It's important to treat them with
respect if you want the best out of them. Much the same can be said of
the astrological influence that is currently affecting your zodiac
sign. It is sharp. Intense. It is capable of creating a big change and
leaving a lasting impression on your future. The question is, will
this be positive or will you end up dealing with repercussions that
take a long time to set straight? That entirely depends on how careful
and conscious you intend to be."

Poor rooster! .......could always keep flipping a coin until I get
the answer 'I' 'want'. (:)

Any views on astrology as an explanation for the ever-changing
vagaries of individual existence? Or are we getting too far off track,
Gary?

On May 6, 12:14 am, Sandeep-Kuber Technologies

[Sandeep-Kuber Technologies]

empty2 wrote:

Ha! Of course.......the rooster.

I really don't want to make a big deal out of this.......but this
today from cainer.com horoscopes:

"Knives are dangerous. So are cars. It's important to treat them with
respect if you want the best out of them. Much the same can be said of
the astrological influence that is currently affecting your zodiac
sign. It is sharp. Intense. It is capable of creating a big change and
leaving a lasting impression on your future. The question is, will
this be positive or will you end up dealing with repercussions that
take a long time to set straight? That entirely depends on how careful
and conscious you intend to be."

Poor rooster!  .......could always keep flipping a coin until I get
the answer 'I' 'want'. (:)
  

Indeed.

Which helps in arriving at what is it that is really wanted, isn't it?

And then the resolute going after that want, resulting in success or failure.

Or the dissection of what is it that is wanting..... whatever that is really wanted.

Any views on astrology as an explanation for the ever-changing
vagaries of individual existence? Or are we getting too far off track,
  

The underlying premise of astrology that no event, whether the arising of a decision as a thought,
or it's actualization as a physical act, further invoking an arriving impacting response....

....are stand alone independent events.....

...that any event ......... small or big, profound or profane, sublime or absurd...

is a cumulative effect of the Universe being as it is in that moment..

.. is spot on.


However, that it's only the one dying star and the circling 9 planets(some of which are today no longer
held to be planets) which kick ass....... is infantile.

Which does not mean that predictions never ever come true.

After all every time the rooster did crow, the sun did appear to rise.


 

[Ram]

LOL

The mirror of the universe reflecting itself juxtaposed with the deer
chasing the mirage never to have its thirst quenched.

On May 6, 10:47 am, Sandeep-Kuber Technologies

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[Marcus]

.

Many paths lead from
The foot of the mountain,
But at the peak
We all gaze at the
Single bright moon.

- Ikkyu (1394-1481)


Those many paths are me and you. The moon is all of us together, the
conscious collective.

The Buddha concluded the middle path. While you are here might as
well learn how the sing and dance.

Like, Britney Spears style.

I Think (or I who witness the thought)
Like it or not we are here in this illusionary dream reality. Why not
make the best of it. Love the moment and do all possible to love
everything in this moment. The many paths and the single moon are
always going to be there.

Ho baby, baby it’s killing me,
Ho baby, baby I still belieeeve, still belieeeeeve.

Love it.

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[godszen]

whatever you believe is a lie

[Ram]

I understand what you are saying, but who is this "we all" and "are
here in this illusory dream reality"? Dream reality, isn't that an
oxymoron? And then to say it's a illusory on top of it? Where are we,
really? If it's illusory, then where does it exist and where/how is it
"reality"?

I know, dancing the word dance, but REALLY, outside of these concepts
of "we are all here in the illusory dream reality," where are we?

"We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow
submarine." Really, it's just as valid as as any other dream reality.

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[Marcus]

Ram, you said :

"where are we?
We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow
submarine." Really, it's just as valid as as any other dream reality."

Exactly.

Spot-on. That’s my point.

There is no “valid” reality to others, only yourself. This principle
applies to us all, simultaneously in this moment. Therefore the
moon, the mountain, the yellow submarine are only your illusion of a
transient reality bubble. Your unique bubble.

This principle in mind, we are all one like a cloud of transient
bubbles, in a transient ocean. Metaphorically speaking of
course.

Your reality is you here now only. It’s no-one else’s. It can’t
be.

You don’t know what colour soaks I am wearing and never will unless I
tell you and even then, why should you believe me. Such is the
nature of my transient reality bubble.

“We all” is the current status you, me and any other being willing to
read these words in this moment.


It's not the words per-say, it’s their meaning to the reader. To
communicate a concept.


.

[Ram]

What about this collective dream bubble we call the waking dream...,
yellow submarine?

The one self smells through all noses, sees through all eyes, hears
through all ears, knows through all intellects.

OK, agree only myself. Unique only to the self, not to any
individual.

Bubble says "I am bubble." Ocean doesn't say anything, only ocean.

[Richard]

From where will the decision come? From the always unsatiated mind or
from the Buddha nature?

[empty2]

Undoubtedly the uddha...(oops, typo!)...Buddha nature, but the
unsatiated mind will no doubt consider itself the proxy and continue
being unsatisfied with that.......but then that's perfectly
Buddhafully natural too.

[Richard]

On May 7, 7:00 am, empty2 <pldre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Undoubtedly the uddha...(oops, typo!)...Buddha nature, but the
> unsatiated mind will no doubt consider itself the proxy and continue
> being unsatisfied with that.......but then that's perfectly
> Buddhafully natural too.

I wondered why you would write "(oops,typo)" rather than backspacing
it out of existance. This morning I recalled a friend who owns a
blackberry saying one can't make corrections on it. I don't understand
blackberries or anything more complicated than a yo-yo, but maybe
that's it.

Now that I think about it, not sure if I understand yo-yos either.
What law of physics makes them keep rewinding?

[empty2]

Nothing berry complicated, just being silly......liked the sound of
uddha after all this talk of other. I remember an intersection in
outback Australia where every road was signposted as going to a town
called Eneabba (pronounced en-ee-abba)... which begged the question
"Is there eneabba way to go?"

Don't mind me.

I imagine the yo-yo keeps going by means of sheer momentum,
centrifugal force and a timely flick of the wrist, but I'm no
scientist and I'll leave the esoteric metaphors to someone else.

On the other hand, backspacing thoughts.......now there's an
interesting concept.

(:)

[Anandanand]

Well, to continue my YOGIC story, 35 years since I still don't know
how to count six seconds with all mental activity at rest. IMO as long
as one is able to stop mental activity, what difference does it make
if it is 6 or 60 or 600 seconds.

How many paisa to Euro. The convertible paisa is already in Euro,
otherwise it isn't.

On Apr 30, 5:34 pm, Anandanand <hgdin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For you or for ME ?
>
> For you I don't know.
> for ME I really don't know !
> As long as I can make loads of money and spend it comfortably, longer
> the better !
>
> On Apr 30, 5:15 pm, Ram <ram.samar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sahaja samadhi, Life spontaneously living itself, without any concept
> > (nirvikalpa) of doing or not doing, enlightened or unenlightened,
> > steps or processes. Just what is, being itself. How much time does
> > that take?
>
> > ;~)

[Anandanand]

Ram,

I read following from one of your posts on AZ. (Great post)

"It lies below the seven layers of blood, flesh, nerves,
veins, sweat pores, skin and bones. These seven layers are referred to
as the seven seas. Hence, it is said that the Inner-Self lies beyond
the seven seas."

Actually I don't know these things. We, in India, are taught since
child hood, of seven seas and something that is beyond. Hence I used
the words 'seven seas'.

Any way, great reading.

Anandanand

On May 1, 7:12 pm, Ram <ram.samar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> AnandX2 wrote:
>
> "Am I already not? Don't I already have sea of concepts to be worried
> about a few drops more? Won't even seven seas dry out if they have
> to?"
>
> Are you not "already not"? What is your purpose in life?
>
> "There are seven main factors that make a body, such as bones,
> muscles, blood, etc.(the seven seas). These are all called Dhatu, or
> essential elements of the body. This is the physical body. All these
> run the mill called the body, and the product of this mill is nothing
> but shit. I am not the physical body. I am not the subtle body. This
> body is constantly punishable, which means that everyday the body is
> receiving punishment. The individual, the Jiva, is always suffering
> punishment. Who is it that should be called a monk? One who gives up
> external things and calls himself a Sanyasi? No, simply giving up
> external things does not make you a Sanyasi! When I am not the mind,
> and I am not my intellect, the actions done by the mind and intellect
> whether good or bad, are also not mine. One who knows this, is Free."
>
> or....
>
> "The primary urge that arises in Brahman is God. That itself, is what
> is called God, and it is the Primal Illusion (MoolaMaya). The Primal
> Illusion, which is the subtle elements, and the state of disturbed
> equilibrium of the Gunas, is a state of Inertia. When it becomes a
> movement, it is called the Air principal, or Wind (Vayu). There are
> five oceans. The five elements, Earth, Water, Fire (Light), Air
> (Wind), and Sky (Space) are these oceans. The Consciousness (Mahat) is
> the sixth ocean, and Chaitanya is the seventh ocean. So, it is said
> there are seven seas.
>
> That which is apparent is destructible. What you think it to be, it is
> not in reality. It is not what you conceive, and you cannot conceive
> it as it really is. You should see it as it is, naturally in "Itself."
> Then you will not see it with your desire. Your inner sight, the
> "Vision of the Self," is that Shiva-Shakti, the quality of Shiva,
> supreme benevolence. From this "Self-Vision," the creation of the
> universe takes place. In that creation, desire is of no use to you,
> because you exist first, and the looking at objects comes afterwards.
> Don’t forget that this entire creation is within your own "Self-
> Vision."
>
> - Shri Siddharameshwar Maharaj from "Master of Self-Realization";
> "Adhyatma Dynanacha Yogeshwar" in Marathi.
>
> Either way, when the seven seas dry up, all that remains is your self
> without the ocean of concepts that are only imaginary bondage.

[Ram]

I haven't visited AZ in quite sometime now, but glad you enjoyed. As
you can notice by the two different takes on the seven seas, these are
indicators only. There are probably many different versions of the
presentation of the seven seas, but what is being indicated is what's
significant, not the indicator. Siddharameshwar Maharaj had such an
eloquent way with words. He spoke with a simplicity and clarity which
is very rare to find indeed.

India is rich with parables and colorful illustrations to be of
assistance. Without someone to help make sense of such things, they
are relegated to the realm of dogmatic religion, whether it be Hindu,
Christian, Mohammedan, etc. The explanations of the meanings behind
the words are just the brilliance of the one inner guru illuminating
one's own self vision.

> > without the ocean of concepts that are only imaginary bondage.- Hide quoted text -