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Gary
Aug 30, 2008, 9:48:04 AM8/30/08
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You know this, but the best guess estimates have just been refined and
what we know is very little.
Two galactic groups collided 5.7 billion years ago. The light is just
now reaching earth. Scientist believe that this represents the
collision of two quadrillion times the mass of the sun. The stunning
inference derived from this observation is as follows:
"The latest astronomical observations suggest that dark matter makes
up some 23% of the Universe. Ordinary matter - such as the galaxies,
gas, stars and planets - makes up just 4%.
The remaining 73% is made up of another mysterious quantity; dark
energy, which is responsible for speeding up the expansion of the
cosmos."
So, this means that all directly observable manifestation is estimated
to make up just 4% of what scientist believe constitutes the manifest
universe. They don't know what makes up 96% of the universe, but they
know that they don't know.
Who can even grasp manifestation? Some suggest that this universe is
just one of an infinite multi-universe, much like the marbles in the
movie "Men in Black".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7587090.stm
what we know is very little.
Two galactic groups collided 5.7 billion years ago. The light is just
now reaching earth. Scientist believe that this represents the
collision of two quadrillion times the mass of the sun. The stunning
inference derived from this observation is as follows:
"The latest astronomical observations suggest that dark matter makes
up some 23% of the Universe. Ordinary matter - such as the galaxies,
gas, stars and planets - makes up just 4%.
The remaining 73% is made up of another mysterious quantity; dark
energy, which is responsible for speeding up the expansion of the
cosmos."
So, this means that all directly observable manifestation is estimated
to make up just 4% of what scientist believe constitutes the manifest
universe. They don't know what makes up 96% of the universe, but they
know that they don't know.
Who can even grasp manifestation? Some suggest that this universe is
just one of an infinite multi-universe, much like the marbles in the
movie "Men in Black".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7587090.stm
Rodger
Aug 30, 2008, 10:08:48 AM8/30/08
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Who can even grasp manifestation?
Yet,they know they know.
Who can even grasp know?
Was there ever a time when know wasn't?
I don't know.
The only time I know is now.
The only now I know is this time.
Which is 100% of all I know.
Which is more than very little.
It is all.
So,do I know everything...or nothing?
Ouch! I have a heady-ache.
empty2
Aug 30, 2008, 12:29:48 PM8/30/08
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I'm no scientist, but this must be for mass consumption.
4% of what? Have they figured out the total size of the universe? And
what about the sub-atomic universe.....4% manifestation seems way too
much......keep going and they won't find anything at all. As I
understand it, quantum physics says there's only something there if
there's a seeing. I'll do a Rodger here and say even a child can see
it's mostly emptiness, if not all. But that just couldn't be, could
it? In infinite emptiness you can have as many universes as you
like...if you want.....and it'll still be empty.
4% of what? Have they figured out the total size of the universe? And
what about the sub-atomic universe.....4% manifestation seems way too
much......keep going and they won't find anything at all. As I
understand it, quantum physics says there's only something there if
there's a seeing. I'll do a Rodger here and say even a child can see
it's mostly emptiness, if not all. But that just couldn't be, could
it? In infinite emptiness you can have as many universes as you
like...if you want.....and it'll still be empty.
Ram
Aug 30, 2008, 12:33:29 PM8/30/08
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Didn't click on the link, but....
99.999999/99.999999+ % of space is space. The space between two
molecules, the space pervading all....
Less than little and more than all, both just concepts.
Thanks for keeping up AN and instigating some interesting and
meaningful dialogues.
:~)
99.999999/99.999999+ % of space is space. The space between two
molecules, the space pervading all....
Less than little and more than all, both just concepts.
Thanks for keeping up AN and instigating some interesting and
meaningful dialogues.
:~)
Gary
Aug 30, 2008, 5:16:11 PM8/30/08
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empty2:
Usually when astronomers are discussing this sort of thing it is in
relation to the ultimate expansion, or contraction of the universe.
Without anyone to measure things, I can't see how this much matters,
but this is of intense interest to astronomy and physics. There is
real interest in what things will look like fifty billion years from
now, but who is timing this thing? So, the items mentioned in the
quote all contribute to this endless expansion, or the eventual
collapse to a singularity. Someone else will be much more
knowledgeable than I, but I believe that with high mass comes
collapse, but they seem to be finding that the expansion is
accelerating. I believe that this is where they suggest that there is
something called "dark energy". DK is supposedly pulling counter to
gravity and is responsible for the measured acceleration. Of course,
scientist don't really measure speed, or acceleration..it is all
inferred based upon their measurements and underlying assumptions.
So, assumptions underly all of this.. sound familiar?
Usually when astronomers are discussing this sort of thing it is in
relation to the ultimate expansion, or contraction of the universe.
Without anyone to measure things, I can't see how this much matters,
but this is of intense interest to astronomy and physics. There is
real interest in what things will look like fifty billion years from
now, but who is timing this thing? So, the items mentioned in the
quote all contribute to this endless expansion, or the eventual
collapse to a singularity. Someone else will be much more
knowledgeable than I, but I believe that with high mass comes
collapse, but they seem to be finding that the expansion is
accelerating. I believe that this is where they suggest that there is
something called "dark energy". DK is supposedly pulling counter to
gravity and is responsible for the measured acceleration. Of course,
scientist don't really measure speed, or acceleration..it is all
inferred based upon their measurements and underlying assumptions.
So, assumptions underly all of this.. sound familiar?
Rodger
Aug 31, 2008, 5:18:28 AM8/31/08
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For as long as emptiness can be seen,emptiness will not be empty.
'Mostly emptiness' seems to me a way of saying, 'mostly,I just don't
know...but,I know I don't know...yet,I know I know.I just can't grasp
this knowing.Doesn't matter.I'll just make some shit up'.
But,ultimately,what do I really know?
Only that I know,and know the emptiness that comes with,to,in,of,as
this knowing that I am...that I can't grasp.
Doesn't matter.I'll just make some shit up.I'll tell myself...
Good,better,best...
never let it rest.
Til the good is better,
and the better is best.
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empty2
Aug 31, 2008, 6:41:38 AM8/31/08
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Hi Gary,
>So, assumptions underly all of this.. sound familiar?
....as in reality has to be something, ignoring the necessity of
somewhere/nowhere (emptiness) for anything to be, expand or collapse -
physically, mentally and metaphysically?
>So, assumptions underly all of this.. sound familiar?
somewhere/nowhere (emptiness) for anything to be, expand or collapse -
physically, mentally and metaphysically?
empty2
Aug 31, 2008, 7:27:15 AM8/31/08
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>For as long as emptiness can be seen,emptiness will not be empty.
agree
>...but,I know I don't know
agree
>yet,I know I know
disagree...it may seem that way, but the truth is...
>...ultimately,what do I really know?
>Only that I know,and know the emptiness that comes with,to,in,of,as
> this knowing that I am...that I can't grasp.
any way, or grasped, emptiness will not be empty.
>Doesn't matter.I'll just make some shit up
(can we be friends?)
(:)
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Rodger
Aug 31, 2008, 8:17:17 AM8/31/08
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Whether you know not,or not, cannot be known unless you know.That not-
knowing is the emptiness of this knowing,being inseparable from this
knowing.
Unless I am,I cannot be empty.So,I come with my emptiness,as my
emptiness...the emptiness that is me and within me...inseparable from
me.
Can we be friends?
Who is suggesting we are not but the one saying,'I know not'?
Isn't all this enough?
Since all this is all this is...all there is...and,is now...and,now is
all there is...now is enough...this is it.
And,as Mr.Watts would...you're it.
Or,as I say...it's all you...now.
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knowing is the emptiness of this knowing,being inseparable from this
knowing.
Unless I am,I cannot be empty.So,I come with my emptiness,as my
emptiness...the emptiness that is me and within me...inseparable from
me.
Can we be friends?
Who is suggesting we are not but the one saying,'I know not'?
Isn't all this enough?
Since all this is all this is...all there is...and,is now...and,now is
all there is...now is enough...this is it.
And,as Mr.Watts would...you're it.
Or,as I say...it's all you...now.
MarkJ
Aug 31, 2008, 2:18:55 PM8/31/08
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That's funny.
It's like rats trapt in a never ending maze.
The minute they think they know where they are they turn a corner to a
completely unrecognizable pathway.
Turn back or head out into the unknown?
Observation is only as reliable as the instrument used to observe.
Thank God we are using something as fractiled and contradictory as
mind.
Thanks for posting that Gary - it's hilarious.
It's like rats trapt in a never ending maze.
The minute they think they know where they are they turn a corner to a
completely unrecognizable pathway.
Turn back or head out into the unknown?
Observation is only as reliable as the instrument used to observe.
Thank God we are using something as fractiled and contradictory as
mind.
Thanks for posting that Gary - it's hilarious.
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