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Marcus
Sep 22, 2008, 9:41:09 AM9/22/08
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Sorry to rain on a parade. But I do care.
“I can't find anyone.
Who cares...who is looking”
In so much intellectual explorations we can flog a concept to death.
We just resort to the closure of “can I go home early”
It’s impotent to remind ourselves that we are here. Like it or not.
Understand it or not. We are here. Albeit these closeted shadows of
something we youthfully expected to be solid and permanent. Why not,
the whole world is a circus and we all have a role to play. Maybe,
just maybe, everyone is looking and they all care.
Why did they create an internet. If no-one cares, and why did the
internet ever happen ???
Is this idle banter, or does every occurrence fuel the next
occurrence.
How many people across this global village read those words
“I can't find anyone.
Who cares...who is looking? .
Anyone know ??
.
Sorry to rain on a parade. But I do care.
“I can't find anyone.
Who cares...who is looking”
In so much intellectual explorations we can flog a concept to death.
We just resort to the closure of “can I go home early”
It’s impotent to remind ourselves that we are here. Like it or not.
Understand it or not. We are here. Albeit these closeted shadows of
something we youthfully expected to be solid and permanent. Why not,
the whole world is a circus and we all have a role to play. Maybe,
just maybe, everyone is looking and they all care.
Why did they create an internet. If no-one cares, and why did the
internet ever happen ???
Is this idle banter, or does every occurrence fuel the next
occurrence.
How many people across this global village read those words
“I can't find anyone.
Who cares...who is looking? .
Anyone know ??
.
Rodger
Sep 22, 2008, 10:50:29 AM9/22/08
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Very nice,Marcus.And,no problem...I always have a umbrella handy. :)
I agree,we can flog a concept to death.Not necessarily a bad thing to
do with some concepts...imo.
That's right,we're here.No reminder necessary.
It's a lot like Gary says...all bullshit.On the other hand,not
everything is bullshit to Gary.He cares.So,does MarkJ...if he says he
doesn't,he's bullshitting.No doubt,he is a good bullshitter but,don't
let him bullshit you about that. :)
Who cares?
Who is asking?
I am.I do.
So what? Who cares?
Who is this who asking,who is asking?
Who is asking?
I am.
Who says,'But I do care'?
You do,of course.
And,I do.
Your do and my do are not two.
Nor is it bulldoodoo.
I agree,we can flog a concept to death.Not necessarily a bad thing to
do with some concepts...imo.
That's right,we're here.No reminder necessary.
It's a lot like Gary says...all bullshit.On the other hand,not
everything is bullshit to Gary.He cares.So,does MarkJ...if he says he
doesn't,he's bullshitting.No doubt,he is a good bullshitter but,don't
let him bullshit you about that. :)
Who cares?
Who is asking?
I am.I do.
So what? Who cares?
Who is this who asking,who is asking?
Who is asking?
I am.
Who says,'But I do care'?
You do,of course.
And,I do.
Your do and my do are not two.
Nor is it bulldoodoo.
MarkJ
Sep 22, 2008, 10:57:07 AM9/22/08
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Hi Marcus - I see the feeling that you are conveying.
IMO
There is caring about survival and when that is handled and running
fine the idea of 'where did it all come from' steps in.
There are plenty of people willing to give 'the answer' to that
question and some for a fee.
The idea that someone is really looking for themselves is the madness
that makes millionaires out of con men.
Just as the majority of the pleasure is held in the anticipation of an
event, the pleasure is held in the searching and hoping for this
breakthrough to an idea of self.
The idea that you were not your self or that you have some how lost
your self or that you are imperfect and need to work to perfection or
that the way you are right now isn't good enough are all great
motivators to continue the business of 'finding your self'. The
internet is stuffed full of 'solutions'.
The internet is just another big village square bustling with activity
from various vendors, mystics, politicians, philosophers,con men and
pick pockets all wanting to continue what they are doing. I'm sure
they care about continuing what they are doing the most.
To me, 'caring' is relative to the circumstance when looked at
objectively. When the objective world is released there isn't any
caring. There is nothing that needs caring for. Everything is
happening as it should.
IMO
There is caring about survival and when that is handled and running
fine the idea of 'where did it all come from' steps in.
There are plenty of people willing to give 'the answer' to that
question and some for a fee.
The idea that someone is really looking for themselves is the madness
that makes millionaires out of con men.
Just as the majority of the pleasure is held in the anticipation of an
event, the pleasure is held in the searching and hoping for this
breakthrough to an idea of self.
The idea that you were not your self or that you have some how lost
your self or that you are imperfect and need to work to perfection or
that the way you are right now isn't good enough are all great
motivators to continue the business of 'finding your self'. The
internet is stuffed full of 'solutions'.
The internet is just another big village square bustling with activity
from various vendors, mystics, politicians, philosophers,con men and
pick pockets all wanting to continue what they are doing. I'm sure
they care about continuing what they are doing the most.
To me, 'caring' is relative to the circumstance when looked at
objectively. When the objective world is released there isn't any
caring. There is nothing that needs caring for. Everything is
happening as it should.
MarkJ
Sep 22, 2008, 11:03:08 AM9/22/08
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PS - What I wrote and write is bullshit.
There is affection here for you and everyone.
I don't know if I qualify it as caring or not.
It's fun to sit around and bullshit though.
There is affection here for you and everyone.
I don't know if I qualify it as caring or not.
It's fun to sit around and bullshit though.
Rodger
Sep 22, 2008, 11:56:45 AM9/22/08
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See,Marcus? I told ya MarkJ cared.
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Gary
Sep 22, 2008, 12:51:52 PM9/22/08
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Marcus:
IMNSHO..
All these pointers are pointers to a sense of things that pulls the
mind back and results in a different perspective. A perspective where
mind doesn't dissect, categorize and divide everything. A perspective
where life flows more naturally and life is seen more as a natural
unfolding with "you" watching it unfold.
If what you call caring unfolds then great. Remember, Hitler cared
for the white christian German. An offensive point for sure, but
caring is a thing that each mind defines for itself. I should add
that I don't perceive that what Hitler did was anything but horrible.
I don't think of this Advaita stuff, nor does the thought occur to me
during the day that there is no independent "I". What I do notice is
that stuff happens, including my giving tens of thousands of dollars
directly to individuals in need. Also, I sit at the National Rifle
Associaton's county fair booth, because I care. I care for the mother
that find herself defenseless in her own home, trying to protect her
children from a violent intruder. I also care that she be properly
trained regarding the law, weapon storage and the use of this life
saving device. After all, law abiding U.S. citizens use handguns to
defend themselves two to four million times per year. This is far
more than U.S. police forces. Of course, the police write far more
police reports and are usually the ones that call the coroner. I
care.
IMNSHO..
All these pointers are pointers to a sense of things that pulls the
mind back and results in a different perspective. A perspective where
mind doesn't dissect, categorize and divide everything. A perspective
where life flows more naturally and life is seen more as a natural
unfolding with "you" watching it unfold.
If what you call caring unfolds then great. Remember, Hitler cared
for the white christian German. An offensive point for sure, but
caring is a thing that each mind defines for itself. I should add
that I don't perceive that what Hitler did was anything but horrible.
I don't think of this Advaita stuff, nor does the thought occur to me
during the day that there is no independent "I". What I do notice is
that stuff happens, including my giving tens of thousands of dollars
directly to individuals in need. Also, I sit at the National Rifle
Associaton's county fair booth, because I care. I care for the mother
that find herself defenseless in her own home, trying to protect her
children from a violent intruder. I also care that she be properly
trained regarding the law, weapon storage and the use of this life
saving device. After all, law abiding U.S. citizens use handguns to
defend themselves two to four million times per year. This is far
more than U.S. police forces. Of course, the police write far more
police reports and are usually the ones that call the coroner. I
care.
godszen
Sep 22, 2008, 1:08:42 PM9/22/08
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I don't give a shit about anything...
I got a fucken headache and could care less...
I got a fucken headache and could care less...
Rodger
Sep 22, 2008, 1:52:50 PM9/22/08
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Take two aspirins and call on us in the morning.
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Gary
Sep 22, 2008, 3:31:39 PM9/22/08
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I never got a headache from doing that, but I suspect that my wife
has.
Hope you feel better.
has.
Hope you feel better.
Mahakali
Sep 22, 2008, 5:44:56 PM9/22/08
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The only ones I care for are the (old aged) widows who do not have
enough to live on. In the UK state pension is not enough to live on.
Believe it or not, in London, there are people who live below the
poverty line.
Kali
enough to live on. In the UK state pension is not enough to live on.
Believe it or not, in London, there are people who live below the
poverty line.
Kali
Gary
Sep 22, 2008, 7:45:33 PM9/22/08
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Mahakali:
It is easy to believe that many live below the poverty line in London.
What is difficult to believe is that anyone can afford to live in
London at all. Granted, it isn't Moscow, but the cost of living is a
bit steep. Yes?
My area suffers from a high cost of living. Perhaps, not as severe as
London, but a real problem for those that retire. Many solve this
problem by moving away from friends and family and relocate in areas
that are much more affordable. Of course, that results in lots of
emotional distress and breaks the natural family care giving that
takes place with the older members of the family.
All this was yesterday. Today we face massive theft of money from the
working populace and given by necessity to a failed banking system.
The politicians wanted unqualified buyers (compassion for the renter)
to be able to buy homes and everyone made money, but economic reality
can't be ignored forever. Many that thought that they would retire
will now drop dead at their jobs. Many others will not have jobs.
Times are about to get tough, even in the developed countries. How
about that compassion. Compassion is a term we bandy about to make
ourselves superior to those that need this compassion. It is just
more B.S. In this case, many folks in the banking system, investors
and politicians made a killing. The cost.. We will come close to an
economic meltdown and the working man and woman will pay the price for
decades to come. How about some compassion for the sheeple????
It is easy to believe that many live below the poverty line in London.
What is difficult to believe is that anyone can afford to live in
London at all. Granted, it isn't Moscow, but the cost of living is a
bit steep. Yes?
My area suffers from a high cost of living. Perhaps, not as severe as
London, but a real problem for those that retire. Many solve this
problem by moving away from friends and family and relocate in areas
that are much more affordable. Of course, that results in lots of
emotional distress and breaks the natural family care giving that
takes place with the older members of the family.
All this was yesterday. Today we face massive theft of money from the
working populace and given by necessity to a failed banking system.
The politicians wanted unqualified buyers (compassion for the renter)
to be able to buy homes and everyone made money, but economic reality
can't be ignored forever. Many that thought that they would retire
will now drop dead at their jobs. Many others will not have jobs.
Times are about to get tough, even in the developed countries. How
about that compassion. Compassion is a term we bandy about to make
ourselves superior to those that need this compassion. It is just
more B.S. In this case, many folks in the banking system, investors
and politicians made a killing. The cost.. We will come close to an
economic meltdown and the working man and woman will pay the price for
decades to come. How about some compassion for the sheeple????
godszen
Sep 23, 2008, 1:35:52 AM9/23/08
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Rodger wrote:
> Take two aspirins and call on us in the morning.
this is way beyond asprins or even migraine pills
> Take two aspirins and call on us in the morning.
these are "headaches from hell"
godszen
Sep 23, 2008, 1:46:48 AM9/23/08
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Gary wrote:
> Today we face massive theft of money from the
> working populace and given by necessity to a failed banking system.
it's been going on for decades
> Today we face massive theft of money from the
> working populace and given by necessity to a failed banking system.
> The politicians wanted unqualified buyers (compassion for the renter)
> to be able to buy homes and everyone made money, but economic reality
> can't be ignored forever. Many that thought that they would retire
> will now drop dead at their jobs. Many others will not have jobs.
> Times are about to get tough, even in the developed countries.
> How
> about that compassion. Compassion is a term we bandy about to make
> ourselves superior to those that need this compassion. It is just
> more B.S. In this case, many folks in the banking system, investors
> and politicians made a killing. The cost.. We will come close to an
> economic meltdown and the working man and woman will pay the price for
> decades to come. How about some compassion for the sheeple????
save us from the problems that "they" created in the first place, and
of course their plan is to exacerbate the existing problems and create
some new ones that we'll need their help fixing......
Anandanand
Sep 23, 2008, 3:16:02 AM9/23/08
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On Sep 23, 10:46 am, godszen <gods...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> politicians are too busy getting elected/re-elected by promising to
> save us from the problems that "they" created in the first place, and
> of course their plan is to exacerbate the existing problems and create
> some new ones that we'll need their help fixing......
the problems. With our insatiable need for things.
What will happen if I stop using this computer and so does everyone
else? Intel & Microsoft will see to it that all other tools of
communication are blocked (and they will have the active support of
thousands of others) and I along with everyone else will let that
happen. (Not to mentioned that all those like Microsoft will recover
the cost of doing so from me)
What if everyone stops drinking soft drinks ? coke and pepsi will make
water scarce or costlier than soft drinks.
(this may already be the case in the developed countries, in India we
still have free drinking water)
Our greed will take us anywhere. Who cares ?
Rodger
Sep 23, 2008, 6:18:34 AM9/23/08
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sorry to hear that,godszen.
today's another day...I hope the headaches have passed by now.
Marcus
Sep 23, 2008, 7:22:44 AM9/23/08
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Thank you all, Very kind.
Godzen,
Truly sorry for your pain.
Old time remedies.
To alleviate big-time headaches I resort to that old Indian rope
trick, illusion. My brain being such a simple beast, that if I stick
a pin in my big toe, the pain this generates is enough to distract my
brain’s attention from the headache. Trust me it works. The more
you witness an occurrence, the more it will occur. Stick a pin in
your big toe and it’s pain replaces the headache.
Make sure the pin is sterilised, just pass it through a small flame,
but you knew is anyway.
I care because I know your welfare is mine and vies a-versa. Yes,
it’s only a illusionary spiritual selfishness in me. That motivates
my work toward the welfare of the whole. But hay, it’s my party
anyway, right.
Do you know, the people I feel most sorry for are the lost. Those so-
called rich, famous, politicians and bureaucrats. Their pain can-not
be healed with a pin in the toe. Those who worship false Gods, like
greed and competition.
With patience, The more we talk the talk, the more positive
influence we create. Only truth can sustain this affect, so don’t
worry about getting it wrong.
Politics, religion and business all suffer the inherent errors of
mankind’s lost direction. But because you and I, all sentient beings,
co-exist in this same time-frame, we generate a counter-balance
effect. These words transport the honesty of our inner-selves.
Ultimately what prevails is that which is supposed to prevail.
Only those conditions which contain designed-in sustainability can
survive.
To care is to survive and ultimately celebrate these gifts of apparent
awareness.
For example : (very profound) Faith. Hope. Charity.
Old time remedies.
Indian rope tricks.
Choose your illusion.
.
> > these are "headaches from hell"- Hide quoted text -
Thank you all, Very kind.
Godzen,
Truly sorry for your pain.
Old time remedies.
To alleviate big-time headaches I resort to that old Indian rope
trick, illusion. My brain being such a simple beast, that if I stick
a pin in my big toe, the pain this generates is enough to distract my
brain’s attention from the headache. Trust me it works. The more
you witness an occurrence, the more it will occur. Stick a pin in
your big toe and it’s pain replaces the headache.
Make sure the pin is sterilised, just pass it through a small flame,
but you knew is anyway.
I care because I know your welfare is mine and vies a-versa. Yes,
it’s only a illusionary spiritual selfishness in me. That motivates
my work toward the welfare of the whole. But hay, it’s my party
anyway, right.
Do you know, the people I feel most sorry for are the lost. Those so-
called rich, famous, politicians and bureaucrats. Their pain can-not
be healed with a pin in the toe. Those who worship false Gods, like
greed and competition.
With patience, The more we talk the talk, the more positive
influence we create. Only truth can sustain this affect, so don’t
worry about getting it wrong.
Politics, religion and business all suffer the inherent errors of
mankind’s lost direction. But because you and I, all sentient beings,
co-exist in this same time-frame, we generate a counter-balance
effect. These words transport the honesty of our inner-selves.
Ultimately what prevails is that which is supposed to prevail.
Only those conditions which contain designed-in sustainability can
survive.
To care is to survive and ultimately celebrate these gifts of apparent
awareness.
For example : (very profound) Faith. Hope. Charity.
Old time remedies.
Indian rope tricks.
Choose your illusion.
.
Gary
Sep 23, 2008, 3:29:18 PM9/23/08
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Marcus:
"Only those conditions which contain designed-in sustainability can
survive.
To care is to survive and ultimately celebrate these gifts of
apparent
awareness."
Is the human condition survivable? I would suggest that built into
our "intelligence" is the challenge of surviving the technology
created by such intelligence. That said, it is clear to me that
humanity is but an infinitesimally small manifestation of universal
intelligence. It is simply our ego that says that humanity must
survive. We die out and the Klingons won't miss a beat.
Can you explain the second statement? You will die regardless of your
caring. How is caring a celebration of awareness? Isn't hating also
a celebration of awareness?...or pick your mental activity..
Lastly, how does thinking of yourself as caring make you feel? Does
that feeling reinforce your sense of being an individual being that
chooses to care?
Thanks in advance,
Gary
"Only those conditions which contain designed-in sustainability can
survive.
To care is to survive and ultimately celebrate these gifts of
apparent
awareness."
our "intelligence" is the challenge of surviving the technology
created by such intelligence. That said, it is clear to me that
humanity is but an infinitesimally small manifestation of universal
intelligence. It is simply our ego that says that humanity must
survive. We die out and the Klingons won't miss a beat.
Can you explain the second statement? You will die regardless of your
caring. How is caring a celebration of awareness? Isn't hating also
a celebration of awareness?...or pick your mental activity..
Lastly, how does thinking of yourself as caring make you feel? Does
that feeling reinforce your sense of being an individual being that
chooses to care?
Thanks in advance,
Gary
godszen
Sep 23, 2008, 11:57:07 PM9/23/08
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Anandanand wrote:
> It is not the politicians but ourselves (common man) who has created
> the problems. With our insatiable need for things.
I will agree that stupid, selfish people voted for polititions that
> It is not the politicians but ourselves (common man) who has created
> the problems. With our insatiable need for things.
promised to give them something for nothing...... except their vote
> What will happen if I stop using this computer and so does everyone
> else? Intel & Microsoft will see to it that all other tools of
> communication are blocked
> (and they will have the active support of
> thousands of others) and I along with everyone else will let that
> happen. (Not to mentioned that all those like Microsoft will recover
> the cost of doing so from me)
internet service? unless you plan on voting for some politition who
wants to impose a mandatory internet tax disguised as one of those
telephone taxes that is supposed to be for education (put computers in
every school classroom)
> What if everyone stops drinking soft drinks ? coke and pepsi will make
> water scarce or costlier than soft drinks.
> (this may already be the case in the developed countries, in India we
> still have free drinking water)
and man hours to keep it flowing?
Gary
Sep 24, 2008, 12:29:07 AM9/24/08
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Hey Godzen:
Wow, you really come alive when talking politics. Also, I hate to
admit it, but I must agree with everything that you said.
My father told me a long time ago that I should seek the care of a
good Psychiatrist should I ever fall for a politician. With you
around to remind me, I think that I can avoid the psychiatric couch.
I'm guessing that the ole head is back on straight.
I can't tell you how many of my patients complain of debilitating
headaches. Unfortunately, the medical community is rather challenged
when addressing pain related ailments.
Best,
Gary
Wow, you really come alive when talking politics. Also, I hate to
admit it, but I must agree with everything that you said.
My father told me a long time ago that I should seek the care of a
good Psychiatrist should I ever fall for a politician. With you
around to remind me, I think that I can avoid the psychiatric couch.
I'm guessing that the ole head is back on straight.
I can't tell you how many of my patients complain of debilitating
headaches. Unfortunately, the medical community is rather challenged
when addressing pain related ailments.
Best,
Gary
Anandanand
Sep 24, 2008, 12:49:00 AM9/24/08
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> > What will happen if I stop using this computer and so does everyone
> > else? Intel & Microsoft will see to it that all other tools of
> > communication are blocked
>
> this is the most idiotic statement I seen on this this board
You can see more if you feel.
> > else? Intel & Microsoft will see to it that all other tools of
> > communication are blocked
>
> this is the most idiotic statement I seen on this this board
> > What if everyone stops drinking soft drinks ? coke and pepsi will make
> > water scarce or costlier than soft drinks.
>
> ??????????? is this some kind of joke that I'm missing?
>
> > (this may already be the case in the developed countries, in India we
> > still have free drinking water)
>
> free? who do you think is paying for all the pipes, pumps, filters,
> and man hours to keep it flowing?
We don't need no pipes man, we have rivers, wells, streams. You
probably have forgotten it. Or may be the rivers which have been
flowing for thousands of years have been purchased/ owned (?) by some
50 year old company.
godszen
Sep 24, 2008, 1:45:30 AM9/24/08
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ok, I'm sorry , I misunderstood you
godszen
Sep 24, 2008, 1:50:15 AM9/24/08
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after almost 2 straight weeks of it, today I had only a mild left-over
burnt feeling from yesterday's massive torture treatment
burnt feeling from yesterday's massive torture treatment
godszen
Sep 24, 2008, 1:52:55 AM9/24/08
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Gary wrote:
> Hey Godzen:
>
> Wow, you really come alive when talking politics.
usually I ignore it, but my nerves are shot> Hey Godzen:
>
> Wow, you really come alive when talking politics.
Marcus
Sep 24, 2008, 4:46:28 AM9/24/08
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Godzen,
Good to hear you are better. That which begins must end. Even
headaches.
Gary,
Thanks for the observations much appreciated.
“Is the human condition survivable?”
Who knows ? was really using the word survive in the context of
lasting longer than it’s counterparts. Hating for example is by it’s
nature a destructive attitude. Those who choose hate destroy their
enjoyment of that moment. If one does-not enjoy a moment one is-not
inclined to look forward to the next. Hence, evolves a cyclic
experience of misery. If we suggest that humans enjoy being miserable
we need to redefine the meanings of joy and misery. Perhaps it’s
just a choice.
“How is caring a celebration of awareness?”
Current appreciations of awareness clearly confine it to the now.
Caring, helping others donates this, your now to the betterment and
welfare of that which is your true self. Others, as we use the word
is in point of fact the embodiment of the whole, likewise the self.
Caring is to embrace the reality, we are all one. Caring, when
honestly given unselfishly is recognition and acknowledgement of the
universal awareness which is the true self or true awareness.
Individuals dieing or even all of mankind dieing, are only stepping
stones in the movement of the whole. Advaita. Remember that
spiritual law. To give is to receive. This works because we are all
one.
“Lastly, how does thinking of yourself as caring make you feel? Does
This “I” that I ware is but a servant of it’s design. These choices
made are only a consequence of the tools and skills I carry. These
tools and skills are a gift from my creator, I try my best to use them
well. Have to give them back one-day.
Must confess to being hopeless at helping others. It’s very difficult
to get it right. Seems like I just interfere with other peoples
karma.
But never give up, Am here to learn how to be a good servant of my
design.
This may be true of others ????
.
Godzen,
Good to hear you are better. That which begins must end. Even
headaches.
Gary,
Thanks for the observations much appreciated.
“Is the human condition survivable?”
Who knows ? was really using the word survive in the context of
lasting longer than it’s counterparts. Hating for example is by it’s
nature a destructive attitude. Those who choose hate destroy their
enjoyment of that moment. If one does-not enjoy a moment one is-not
inclined to look forward to the next. Hence, evolves a cyclic
experience of misery. If we suggest that humans enjoy being miserable
we need to redefine the meanings of joy and misery. Perhaps it’s
just a choice.
“How is caring a celebration of awareness?”
Current appreciations of awareness clearly confine it to the now.
Caring, helping others donates this, your now to the betterment and
welfare of that which is your true self. Others, as we use the word
is in point of fact the embodiment of the whole, likewise the self.
Caring is to embrace the reality, we are all one. Caring, when
honestly given unselfishly is recognition and acknowledgement of the
universal awareness which is the true self or true awareness.
Individuals dieing or even all of mankind dieing, are only stepping
stones in the movement of the whole. Advaita. Remember that
spiritual law. To give is to receive. This works because we are all
one.
“Lastly, how does thinking of yourself as caring make you feel? Does
that feeling reinforce your sense of being an individual being that
chooses to care?”
This “I” that I ware is but a servant of it’s design. These choices
made are only a consequence of the tools and skills I carry. These
tools and skills are a gift from my creator, I try my best to use them
well. Have to give them back one-day.
Must confess to being hopeless at helping others. It’s very difficult
to get it right. Seems like I just interfere with other peoples
karma.
But never give up, Am here to learn how to be a good servant of my
design.
This may be true of others ????
.
Rodger
Sep 24, 2008, 5:54:52 AM9/24/08
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How does thinking of yourself as caring make you feel?
Who cares?
How does your caring make the other think and feel?
Marcus
Sep 24, 2008, 6:43:38 AM9/24/08
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.
Thanks Rodger,
“ How does thinking of yourself as caring make you feel?
Who cares?
How does your caring make the other think and feel?”
Yes, I see where your coming from. But can't help sensing the cries
of the ego. Caring is an attitude toward a moment. A perspective of
interpretation. A line of approach. How I feel or how others respond
is not the true intention of caring. Honest sincere caring requires
no payment.
It’s just not about any type of reward. Just to flow with the
natural human way. Helping others is basic human nature. Caring
is not about anything other than being at one with nature.
Personally I struggle to care, work, money, bills, dictate I must
cooperate with a regimen which I know to be uncaring. But we all have
a cross to bear.
Caring for me is an attitude, an ambition, a hope. If I can see the
opportunity to care, then go for it. That’s all.
Is that ego………….probably.
.
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Thanks Rodger,
“ How does thinking of yourself as caring make you feel?
Who cares?
How does your caring make the other think and feel?”
Yes, I see where your coming from. But can't help sensing the cries
of the ego. Caring is an attitude toward a moment. A perspective of
interpretation. A line of approach. How I feel or how others respond
is not the true intention of caring. Honest sincere caring requires
no payment.
It’s just not about any type of reward. Just to flow with the
natural human way. Helping others is basic human nature. Caring
is not about anything other than being at one with nature.
Personally I struggle to care, work, money, bills, dictate I must
cooperate with a regimen which I know to be uncaring. But we all have
a cross to bear.
Caring for me is an attitude, an ambition, a hope. If I can see the
opportunity to care, then go for it. That’s all.
Is that ego………….probably.
.
Rodger
Sep 24, 2008, 7:33:29 AM9/24/08
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There is always opportunity for caring.
'Caring is an attitude toward a moment'.
'Helping others is basic human nature'.
Just flow with the natural human way...if there is caring,flow with
the caring.If not...
Is ego involved?
Who cares?
Flow with the go,
go with the flow.
Be the caring you are,
the uncaring you are.
I care for this,
not for that.
(imo)
'Caring is an attitude toward a moment'.
'Helping others is basic human nature'.
Just flow with the natural human way...if there is caring,flow with
the caring.If not...
Is ego involved?
Who cares?
Flow with the go,
go with the flow.
Be the caring you are,
the uncaring you are.
I care for this,
not for that.
(imo)
Rodger
Sep 24, 2008, 7:36:31 AM9/24/08
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Godszen,
Everyone has their ups and downs.
For every down there is an up.
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Everyone has their ups and downs.
For every down there is an up.
Gary
Sep 24, 2008, 12:07:09 PM9/24/08
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Marcus:
Thanks for the response. I don't think that I have any real response
in that your perspective on these things is every bit as valid as
mine. The bottom line for me is that "shit happens" and if that shit
is interpreted as "caring" then so be it. If that "caring" floats my
boat then great. I can't find a creator, or any purpose in life.
Life just seems to happen in the now and then my mind grasps this and
tries to make a story of the whole thing. Actually, that isn't true,
my mind is totally inadequate to the task of understanding the "whole
thing", but that doesn't stop that little egocentric gremlin from
putting on airs.
Best,
Gary
Thanks for the response. I don't think that I have any real response
in that your perspective on these things is every bit as valid as
mine. The bottom line for me is that "shit happens" and if that shit
is interpreted as "caring" then so be it. If that "caring" floats my
boat then great. I can't find a creator, or any purpose in life.
Life just seems to happen in the now and then my mind grasps this and
tries to make a story of the whole thing. Actually, that isn't true,
my mind is totally inadequate to the task of understanding the "whole
thing", but that doesn't stop that little egocentric gremlin from
putting on airs.
Best,
Gary
Marcus
Sep 29, 2008, 11:07:29 AM9/29/08
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Thanks Gary,
I am so with you man. All these fancy words and mental gymnastics
are just human intellect playing with itself. In the true silence of
“I am” is simple stillness. Once “I am” has felt this all others
occurrences are seen as happenings. “Shit happens” being a classic.
But in all truth, “I am, is all that can happen” we can-not
unhappen.
For this reason, I think it’s best to choose a mask then throw it
away. Learn a lot then forget it. Learn to love and hate. In the
end, like kids we just hammer our heads against the brick wall to say
“ that hurts”.
Purpose :
Naaaaaaa that would be my ego specking. The bottom line is helping
others is a buzz. Get it right and it just feels good. This must
be encrypted into our make-up. Like dancing when you where a teenager
and laughter.
There is no race. The popularity contest is over. This, I believe is
the nobility of surrender. To know it is only by surrender to
natural order. One comes to see it’s beauty. All things are meant to
be. Part of the plan. To suggest there is no plan is to suggest
that all of mankind throughout history have got it wrong and continue
to do so.
If this is the case, then all of mankind throughout it’s entire
existence is insane. Including us. If this is the case then best
do what makes you happy. Helping others makes me happy.
I rest my case your honour.
Who has the right to judge anyway ??
Thanks again.
.
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Thanks Gary,
I am so with you man. All these fancy words and mental gymnastics
are just human intellect playing with itself. In the true silence of
“I am” is simple stillness. Once “I am” has felt this all others
occurrences are seen as happenings. “Shit happens” being a classic.
But in all truth, “I am, is all that can happen” we can-not
unhappen.
For this reason, I think it’s best to choose a mask then throw it
away. Learn a lot then forget it. Learn to love and hate. In the
end, like kids we just hammer our heads against the brick wall to say
“ that hurts”.
Purpose :
Naaaaaaa that would be my ego specking. The bottom line is helping
others is a buzz. Get it right and it just feels good. This must
be encrypted into our make-up. Like dancing when you where a teenager
and laughter.
There is no race. The popularity contest is over. This, I believe is
the nobility of surrender. To know it is only by surrender to
natural order. One comes to see it’s beauty. All things are meant to
be. Part of the plan. To suggest there is no plan is to suggest
that all of mankind throughout history have got it wrong and continue
to do so.
If this is the case, then all of mankind throughout it’s entire
existence is insane. Including us. If this is the case then best
do what makes you happy. Helping others makes me happy.
I rest my case your honour.
Who has the right to judge anyway ??
Thanks again.
.
Ram
Sep 29, 2008, 4:24:32 PM9/29/08
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We have but a short time to live.
We have but a short time to love.
Carpe diem! Sieze the day!
I'm enjoying (ok, even delighting in) the appearance of your mode of
expression.
:O)
We have but a short time to love.
Carpe diem! Sieze the day!
I'm enjoying (ok, even delighting in) the appearance of your mode of
expression.
:O)
Mahakali
Sep 29, 2008, 6:23:26 PM9/29/08
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Hi Marcus
I actually think that many, many and many people have got it wrong but
they are not necessarily insane. The only distorsion, in the big
picture, is the fact that most people (me included) strongly believe
in the 'real' existence and power of a separate ego/individual.
Otherwise, there is no plan, world, no people ..only emptiness.
The idea of things which have a meaning, it is another story or the
idea of Dharma which gives purpose is another story in time. According
to it,I have been destined to a certain path/meaning and it is my duty
to find out what the purpose of my life is. It may turn up to be a
nice parenthesis in my life or, paraphrasing Gary, all B.S. In
reality, all there is is emptiness.
And the ideas that 'helping others feels good' or 'helping others
gives the buzz' are yet more lies. The mind sets up all these stories
because it needs satisfaction. The purpose of doing all these
activities is simply to satisfy the mind because it will never be
happy or contented with the 'idea' or sense of emptiness. There is
deep sense of inadequacy and unhappiness which needs to be filled by
'doing' something; and this something might be feeling the buzz by
helping others!
I do not know when the sense of separation occurred in me, but, all I
know that, at a certain point or at a certain place, I stopped
'seeing' this emptiness and built up mind-stories about helping
others, caring etc etc...which have nothing to do with Self-
realization. The mind took over when I doubted 'emptiness' and, I
believe, that if it hadn't been for this doubt, the mind would not
have had the upperhand.
Of course, I only speak for my own Self..:-)
kali
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I actually think that many, many and many people have got it wrong but
they are not necessarily insane. The only distorsion, in the big
picture, is the fact that most people (me included) strongly believe
in the 'real' existence and power of a separate ego/individual.
Otherwise, there is no plan, world, no people ..only emptiness.
The idea of things which have a meaning, it is another story or the
idea of Dharma which gives purpose is another story in time. According
to it,I have been destined to a certain path/meaning and it is my duty
to find out what the purpose of my life is. It may turn up to be a
nice parenthesis in my life or, paraphrasing Gary, all B.S. In
reality, all there is is emptiness.
And the ideas that 'helping others feels good' or 'helping others
gives the buzz' are yet more lies. The mind sets up all these stories
because it needs satisfaction. The purpose of doing all these
activities is simply to satisfy the mind because it will never be
happy or contented with the 'idea' or sense of emptiness. There is
deep sense of inadequacy and unhappiness which needs to be filled by
'doing' something; and this something might be feeling the buzz by
helping others!
I do not know when the sense of separation occurred in me, but, all I
know that, at a certain point or at a certain place, I stopped
'seeing' this emptiness and built up mind-stories about helping
others, caring etc etc...which have nothing to do with Self-
realization. The mind took over when I doubted 'emptiness' and, I
believe, that if it hadn't been for this doubt, the mind would not
have had the upperhand.
Of course, I only speak for my own Self..:-)
kali
empty2
Sep 29, 2008, 7:15:25 PM9/29/08
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Mmmmmm! Nicely said, Kali.
(:)
(:)
Marcus
Sep 30, 2008, 7:41:44 AM9/30/08
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Kali,
Thank you very kindly.
“The purpose of doing all these
Totally agree, and in many ways, that’s my point. “I am” is the
personification of the need to believe in oneself. Yes it’s lies, yes
it B.S. but don’t you enjoy it. The logic of Advaita dissipates the
boundaries of all we thought we understood. Advaita stands for that
acceptance that all, ALL things are actually linked, to form the
whole. To be able to see the matrix of links is only conformation of
what your heart has always known. Even our thoughts we believe to be
unique are linked to the whole.
We don’t see the links and their influence for most of our life’s
journey is unapparent. The overall direction of Advaita, really is
non of our concern. The best you could ever hope for in your life is
what you are. Porper or king, ignorant or enlightened you are exactly
what Advaita needs you to be. Aspirations of God-consciousness or a
serial-killer, the principle remains the same. This discussion, my
words, your words. Agree and disagree. All can only be exactly what
it’s suppose to be.
This to some, may excuse laziness and apathy but who is the judge. My
experience of this most beautiful illusion is that most humans prefer
to positively construct and commune with their surroundings.
Overwhelming majority naively make continuous attempts to progress
enjoyment of this illusion and develop peace, love and harmony. It’s
clearly Advaita preferred condition. Just going by the fact that for
every bad thing that happens, there is a thousand good things which
don’t make the papers.
We are emptiness doing it’s thing. In that we are something.
Purpose is only arrogance, being is why we are here.
Being what you are.
Sorry………………………what are you ???
.
Kali,
Thank you very kindly.
“The purpose of doing all these
activities is simply to satisfy the mind because it will never be
happy or contented with the 'idea' or sense of emptiness.”
Totally agree, and in many ways, that’s my point. “I am” is the
personification of the need to believe in oneself. Yes it’s lies, yes
it B.S. but don’t you enjoy it. The logic of Advaita dissipates the
boundaries of all we thought we understood. Advaita stands for that
acceptance that all, ALL things are actually linked, to form the
whole. To be able to see the matrix of links is only conformation of
what your heart has always known. Even our thoughts we believe to be
unique are linked to the whole.
We don’t see the links and their influence for most of our life’s
journey is unapparent. The overall direction of Advaita, really is
non of our concern. The best you could ever hope for in your life is
what you are. Porper or king, ignorant or enlightened you are exactly
what Advaita needs you to be. Aspirations of God-consciousness or a
serial-killer, the principle remains the same. This discussion, my
words, your words. Agree and disagree. All can only be exactly what
it’s suppose to be.
This to some, may excuse laziness and apathy but who is the judge. My
experience of this most beautiful illusion is that most humans prefer
to positively construct and commune with their surroundings.
Overwhelming majority naively make continuous attempts to progress
enjoyment of this illusion and develop peace, love and harmony. It’s
clearly Advaita preferred condition. Just going by the fact that for
every bad thing that happens, there is a thousand good things which
don’t make the papers.
We are emptiness doing it’s thing. In that we are something.
Purpose is only arrogance, being is why we are here.
Being what you are.
Sorry………………………what are you ???
.
Mahakali
Sep 30, 2008, 6:42:58 PM9/30/08
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Marcus, very nice reply...
Marcus: Yes it’s lies, yes it B.S. but don’t you enjoy it.
Kali: what's there to be enjoyed? Do you take pleasure in deceiving
your Self?
Marcus: The logic of Advaita dissipates the boundaries of all we
thought we understood.
Kali: Advaita (another label..lol) does not dissipates any boundaries
of the understanding. It is just that those thoughts may not carry
with them so much potency anylonger....thus, allowing for more room
for intuition, apperception, non-intellectual understanding also to
happen...
*****************************************************
Marcus: My experience of this most beautiful illusion is that most
How many times has a new religion been founded on the basis of "peace,
love and harmony" which, of course, they will keep on hammering the
ideas of peace and love but will never challenge the idea of
separation of the Self? If this is clearly Advaita preferred
condition, then, I can smell a new religion/church coming up next.
Kali
Marcus: Yes it’s lies, yes it B.S. but don’t you enjoy it.
Kali: what's there to be enjoyed? Do you take pleasure in deceiving
your Self?
Marcus: The logic of Advaita dissipates the boundaries of all we
thought we understood.
Kali: Advaita (another label..lol) does not dissipates any boundaries
of the understanding. It is just that those thoughts may not carry
with them so much potency anylonger....thus, allowing for more room
for intuition, apperception, non-intellectual understanding also to
happen...
*****************************************************
Marcus: My experience of this most beautiful illusion is that most
humans prefer to positively construct and commune with their
surroundings. Overwhelming majority naively make continuous attempts
to progress enjoyment of this illusion and develop peace, love and
harmony.
Kali: this is clearly the preamble to the formation of a new Church.
surroundings. Overwhelming majority naively make continuous attempts
to progress enjoyment of this illusion and develop peace, love and
harmony.
How many times has a new religion been founded on the basis of "peace,
love and harmony" which, of course, they will keep on hammering the
ideas of peace and love but will never challenge the idea of
separation of the Self? If this is clearly Advaita preferred
condition, then, I can smell a new religion/church coming up next.
Kali
Rodger
Oct 1, 2008, 6:44:23 AM10/1/08
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What does it matter...who cares...how many religions/churches are
founded on the ideas of peace and love when self (you) are established
in these?
founded on the ideas of peace and love when self (you) are established
in these?
Marcus
Oct 1, 2008, 7:10:11 AM10/1/08
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.
Thank you kindly Kali,
Much appricated.
A new church of Advaita !! I sincerely hope not. Advaita is a
philosophy.
Philosophy transcends the boundaries of logic and reason. Like art
and love.
It’s a human thing *********
Who could believe that Jesus, the Buddha or Mohammed ever wanted to be
worshiped or create a competitive global corporation in their name.
It’s misinterpretation which builds such things. Please don’t get me
wrong. Religions, church have their perfect place in the collective
movement of the whole and continue to enhance the spiritual growth of
many. Personally I remain indebted and eternally grateful to the
teachings Jesus and the Buddha and many more of the great masters.
But like all physical things religion, churches are bound by the laws
of growth and decay. Advaita in my view is only to become aware of
the bigger picture. The truth of being. This can-not negate the
balance of physical laws in this moment, only redefine the apparent
conscious experience of it.
“what's there to be enjoyed? Do you take pleasure in deceiving
your Self?”
In this moment, writing these words is honestly being enjoyed. Is
this a deception? Well, as much of a deception as all the other
occurrences I may experience today. “what’s there to enjoy” all
of it. Choose a perspective, roll the dice and enjoy their
journey.
Kali,
I do recognise where this question comes from. A deception can only
be such if you know the truth. Therefore awakening to non-duality is
to judge separatism as universal deception. But in my view, what no-
duality archives is the redefinition of traditional logic and reason.
Which then enables a sentient being, the chance to imagine a
comprehensive “bigger picture”
These life’s we live are real enough to say “I am” so why not make
the best of it ??
Is there a church which preaches :
Worship yourself as the greatest God-ish thing you will ever hope to
meet, all the time you are stuck in this world, in that body ???
Sorry. Sounds a bit miserable when put like that. But there is some
good news. As the nearest God-ish thing you will ever meet you are
potentially capable of tremendous good and evil.
All you have to do is to make a choice and stick to it.
Enjoyment is a choice.
.
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Thank you kindly Kali,
Much appricated.
A new church of Advaita !! I sincerely hope not. Advaita is a
philosophy.
Philosophy transcends the boundaries of logic and reason. Like art
and love.
It’s a human thing *********
Who could believe that Jesus, the Buddha or Mohammed ever wanted to be
worshiped or create a competitive global corporation in their name.
It’s misinterpretation which builds such things. Please don’t get me
wrong. Religions, church have their perfect place in the collective
movement of the whole and continue to enhance the spiritual growth of
many. Personally I remain indebted and eternally grateful to the
teachings Jesus and the Buddha and many more of the great masters.
But like all physical things religion, churches are bound by the laws
of growth and decay. Advaita in my view is only to become aware of
the bigger picture. The truth of being. This can-not negate the
balance of physical laws in this moment, only redefine the apparent
conscious experience of it.
“what's there to be enjoyed? Do you take pleasure in deceiving
your Self?”
In this moment, writing these words is honestly being enjoyed. Is
this a deception? Well, as much of a deception as all the other
occurrences I may experience today. “what’s there to enjoy” all
of it. Choose a perspective, roll the dice and enjoy their
journey.
Kali,
I do recognise where this question comes from. A deception can only
be such if you know the truth. Therefore awakening to non-duality is
to judge separatism as universal deception. But in my view, what no-
duality archives is the redefinition of traditional logic and reason.
Which then enables a sentient being, the chance to imagine a
comprehensive “bigger picture”
These life’s we live are real enough to say “I am” so why not make
the best of it ??
Is there a church which preaches :
Worship yourself as the greatest God-ish thing you will ever hope to
meet, all the time you are stuck in this world, in that body ???
Sorry. Sounds a bit miserable when put like that. But there is some
good news. As the nearest God-ish thing you will ever meet you are
potentially capable of tremendous good and evil.
All you have to do is to make a choice and stick to it.
Enjoyment is a choice.
.
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Ram
Oct 1, 2008, 9:51:38 AM10/1/08
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Play your part, understand it's a part and know I'm not this.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CDmCWMzG2-E
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=CDmCWMzG2-E
Rodger
Oct 1, 2008, 10:42:31 AM10/1/08
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You will play your part,you have no choice.
You are the played part.
You are the played part.
Mahakali
Oct 1, 2008, 4:50:02 PM10/1/08
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Marcus, I got your point and if you've set out to enjoy it then, enjoy
it!
Rodger, I totally agree with you and your last two posts..there is no
choice and who cares about the Church of Advaita if I am established
in the Self..
All the best!
Kali
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it!
Rodger, I totally agree with you and your last two posts..there is no
choice and who cares about the Church of Advaita if I am established
in the Self..
All the best!
Kali
Richard
Oct 6, 2008, 10:42:46 PM10/6/08
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godszen,
Hope you saw a doctor to rule out any
serious cause of the headaches.
Richard
Marcus
Oct 7, 2008, 7:24:55 AM10/7/08
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.
Godzen,
Safe recovery, God speed.
Thanks Kali,
Thanks for the good advice. Agreed “there is no choice”.
It is but an illusion. We can only be and behave in accordance with
our nature. What we arrogantly judge as choice is in real terms the
consequence of being.
This in mind, we can step into the next moment safe in the knowledge
that your apparent choices are in fact, the will of the creator. Or
as I prefer to conceptualise it. The divine intention of
everything.
When I say “you choose” it’s because on all levels of human
consciousness you are the eyes, ears and voice of everything. When
you choose, you put into place all that is necessary for the next
moment to appear.
Some might say this is a heavy burden to carry, to know yourself to be
indicative and elemental of everything is to carry the universe on
your shoulders. But each one of us does this on a daily basis.
Generally oblivious to the forces and their dynamics, as we plod on
thought the day.
Choice is a serious business, How can we explain. Yes you have no
choice, we can only exist in servitude to our manifestation and
because of this every choice we apparently make influences the very
fabric and direction of everything (Advaita whole).
Is there a word for no choice and every choice, in the same
moment ???
.
Godzen,
Safe recovery, God speed.
Thanks Kali,
Thanks for the good advice. Agreed “there is no choice”.
It is but an illusion. We can only be and behave in accordance with
our nature. What we arrogantly judge as choice is in real terms the
consequence of being.
This in mind, we can step into the next moment safe in the knowledge
that your apparent choices are in fact, the will of the creator. Or
as I prefer to conceptualise it. The divine intention of
everything.
When I say “you choose” it’s because on all levels of human
consciousness you are the eyes, ears and voice of everything. When
you choose, you put into place all that is necessary for the next
moment to appear.
Some might say this is a heavy burden to carry, to know yourself to be
indicative and elemental of everything is to carry the universe on
your shoulders. But each one of us does this on a daily basis.
Generally oblivious to the forces and their dynamics, as we plod on
thought the day.
Choice is a serious business, How can we explain. Yes you have no
choice, we can only exist in servitude to our manifestation and
because of this every choice we apparently make influences the very
fabric and direction of everything (Advaita whole).
Is there a word for no choice and every choice, in the same
moment ???
.
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