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Re: Remembering Ernie Graf

2008-10-08T03:24:21Z

Another tidbit on Mr. Graf, on his pre-5BBC days. The following
appeared in Business Week, 19 April 1999. Note the emphasis on biking:

When Ernest Graf, retired president of Ben Kahn Furs in New York, was
diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1993, he underwent radiation
treatment. Then he opted to receive an experimental vaccine developed

Re: [5BBC Bulletin Board] Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T22:35:16Z

The day ride submittal form already has a box for pace information. I fill it in. Some other leaders do, some do not

Every leader has their style. That is part of the glory of the 5BBC. We all conform to the core values of the club. Beyond that its a question of style and indeed that can change. Sometimes leaders are leading a bike ride. Sometimes its a tour by bicycle and they stop the tour at various places to give a small talk or draw your attention to some point of interest. I personally haven't run a ride of my own that for the latter yet. I am considering it for my Nov 4 ride as I collect trivia and such about the World's Fair.... it will depend on the weather, I think people are more tolerant in 60 degree weather than 40-50 deg

RE: [5BBC Bulletin Board] Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T22:14:56Z

I figured that. Any way we can adapt a similarly informative system that fits the 5BBC personality?

I think we can stick with Quick Spin, Regular, and Happy Face, but we have to better define what that means so we don't end up with people who really didn't want to go fast bailing out and onto the train because they can't feel they can keep up (or at least be happy about it) and alternatively people who are just naturally quicker who feel frustrated by ending up on rides that take far longer than they could have possibly imagined.

Remembering Ernie Graf

2008-10-07T19:30:32Z

Hi,

The gentleman Ed Pino refer to in his response to day trip specifics
was the late Ernest (Ernie) Graf. I had the honor of knowing him first
as a skeptical rider to a good friend, who called me at work several
times inviting me to his informal functions (how he got my number I'll
never know).

Re: [5BBC Bulletin Board] Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T19:22:57Z

I meant to elaborate/state that I credit the leaders of the various day rides including montauk training rides with patiently encouraging me as I progressed until finally now I too lead rides. Now I get different help and encouragement from Ed D. And Jesse and Manny etc etc
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Re: [5BBC Bulletin Board] Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T18:43:47Z

Do we have anything against, say, adopting the NYCC category list?
Only that it is the NYCC category list.
We are not the NYCC we do rides for fun and socializing. Sometimes there is
no way to know if you will have seasoned rider or newbies. Listing a 15 mile
or 10 mile will turn people away.
When I first started with the club there was an elderly man who I hope I

Re: [5BBC Bulletin Board] Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T18:19:00Z

Not everyone who does 15mph on flats does 12mph up a 3% grade and then you get a 6% grade. In addition is the question of long the climb runs Short steep climbs don't scatter the group as much as a longer but more moderate climb.

15mph is not my idea of Quick Spin. I cruise at 15mph on my 30lb hybrid (not just casual boppin along, that's my touring bike). Quick Spin means also not just fast but a style of ride. In 5BBC parlance, Quick Spin is often done -wthout- point/drop/sweep.

Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T17:39:31Z

I'm totally with you on this Charis.

If I can just put a spotlight on one thing, it's when a ride
description says that riders should 'be able to' go 15mph on flats.
There are very few riders who can't go 15mph or faster intermittently
regardless of fitness or equipment--I can do it on my mountain bike,

Ride with George Hincapie (yes, that george)

2008-10-07T16:27:13Z

all,
here is your opportunity (for a price) to ride to nyack with george
hincapie. there is some information at the bottom of this email re the
organization, but i encourage you to also look at the website {
ichallengemyself.org } to see what they are doing to get kids riding.
according to the blurb below, 100% of the proceeds go to the

Re: [5BBC Bulletin Board] Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T15:01:32Z

I think rides roughly fall into 3 groups: slow, medium and fast. The majority fall under "medium": those which don't speicfy slow or fast. The definition of each varies based on what kind of ride it is: urban, country, suburban, on-road or off-road on greenways (dirt roads are specifically mentioned when applicable).

Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T14:31:16Z

U r welcome Danny. Of course u r remembered for your record as Day
Trips Coordinator. I think I told u this before, but I thought u were
doing a great job. I don't ever remember a time that the club didn't
offer good rides, but the variety of locations increased noticeable
during your shift so to speak.

Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T13:23:20Z

Thanks, Charis. I like to think that I'm *very* outgoing. No, I
won't be putting together any guidelines for future daytrips, at least
not for the time being. But I am appreciative of being remembered for
my record as Day Trips coordinator (2004-2007).

Danny

Re: Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T12:46:16Z

Oops, thanks Dana. I stand corrected.

Charis.

Re: [5BBC Bulletin Board] Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T12:44:05Z

Danny is the outgoing Special Events, i.e. Montauk, coordinator. Ed Ravin and Ted Kushner are daytrips coordinator
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A few of us write from time to time to ask when specific day rides
will return to NYC, what will the ave. speed will be, etc. Usually

Specific info on Day Rides descriptions.

2008-10-07T11:36:39Z

A few of us write from time to time to ask when specific day rides
will return to NYC, what will the ave. speed will be, etc. Usually
these are provided, & we don't have to wonder, but sometimes they're
not. Not a biggie of course. But perhaps Danny can create guidelimes
for Day Ride descriptions for such specifics to be always included -