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Issy  
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 More options Mar 5, 9:55 pm
From: Issy <Melissa.Issy.K...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:55:18 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Mar 5 2008 9:55 pm
Subject: View this page "Events"

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Ben Gleisner  
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From: "Ben Gleisner" <bengleis...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:34:21 +1300
Local: Wed, Mar 5 2008 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: View this page "Events"

you should write something in the subject line...! :)


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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:39:42 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Mar 7 2008 3:39 am
Subject: View this page "Events"
Island Bay Marine Education Centre Open Day this Sunday

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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 01:25:50 -0800 (PST)
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Talk by Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize winner and author of
"Globalisation and its discontents" March 15th. Bookings essential.

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Discussion subject changed to "Oceans Policy and Public Transport events" by spencer
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From: spencer <spencer_cl...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Oceans Policy and Public Transport events

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Discussion subject changed to "View this page: "Events" - Consumption and happiness lecture" by Benjamin Gleisner
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From: Benjamin Gleisner <bengleis...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 04:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: View this page: "Events" - Consumption and happiness lecture

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Discussion subject changed to "View this page: "Events" - Great movie on organic farming" by Benjamin Gleisner
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From: Benjamin Gleisner <bengleis...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:58:23 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 8 2008 2:58 am
Subject: View this page: "Events" - Great movie on organic farming

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Discussion subject changed to "View this page: "Events"" by Ama-illy
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:35:18 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Apr 28 2008 11:35 pm
Subject: View this page: "Events"
At the tipping point: thinking beyond sustainability event by Nandor
Tanzcos

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Discussion subject changed to "{42collective} View this page: "Events"" by seth fraser
seth fraser  
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 More options Apr 29, 5:19 am
From: "seth fraser" <sethfra...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:19:28 +1200
Local: Tues, Apr 29 2008 5:19 am
Subject: Re: {42collective} View this page: "Events"

Hi,

I had a bit of a rant about animal mis-treatment and vegan-ism the other
day.

Since then, I have actually chatted to a NZ farmer dude. It appears that NZ
beef is actually aquired (sp) in a reasonably humane manner - the bulls get
a few years of happy life in mid-hill country then get killed by
electrocution with 40,000 volts which kills them instantly (unlike America -
DO NOT START ME TALKING ABOUT THAT).

So NZ steaks are OK. Chickens and eggs are another story - as is lamb.
(would you like to be killed when you are 18)

Steak = OK. Chicken + lamb + veal = evil and nasty.

Cheers, S


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Discussion subject changed to "{42collective} Re: View this page: "Events"" by Rimu Atkinson
Rimu Atkinson  
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From: Rimu Atkinson <rimuatkin...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 22:21:07 +1200
Local: Sat, May 3 2008 6:21 am
Subject: Re: {42collective} Re: View this page: "Events"

I've been to a meat works and seen the process. I understood that the
electricity just stuns them, and the throat cutting is what really
finishes them. They don't feel that though, because of the stunning...

R

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seth fraser  
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From: "seth fraser" <sethfra...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 09:42:12 +1200
Local: Sun, May 4 2008 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: {42collective} Re: View this page: "Events"

Different meatworks have different methods of operation.

For example "halaal" animals are blessed, then have their throats slit and
are bled to death which takes 20 minutes to an hour. Isn't that nice!

In the SPCA animals with fatal viruses etc are killed by painless injection,
and not in front of other animals - I think if animal is killed so that we
can have a burger, it should also have a humane death, not to mention a
reasonable life where it is treated with a bit of respect. (not that spca
euthanised animals are made into burgers, as far as I know)

However it is not all bad, there is an outfit in Rangitikei that produces
free-range cornfed chickens. The chickens keep their beaks (normally
chickens have their beaks sliced off carelessly ecause chickens are squashed
into little cages and they attack each other. They are also normally fed
ground up chicken bones). These rangitikei chickens wander in and out of
barns and fields, and have a normal life with a social pecking order.
Corn-fed free-range chickens have yellowy fleshy meat and taste great.

Meat is an excellent source of nutrition - but we really need to all know
what we are eating and where it comes from. If it is free-range and organic,
that is a start. The industrialisation of meat and animal products has
produced some shameful practises - which people choose to "block out" and
"look the other way". Tuna is apparantly bad - there isn't any except in the
Pacific any more, and it is caught in a rather nasty way - and there are
probably bits of dolphin in your can of tuna - according to the latest
greenpeace letter.

I wouldn't be surprised if most cancer and mental illnesses are related to
eating meat that is produced industrially, the animals get fed a whole lot
of crap and their  terror when they are slaughtered must do something....

On 5/3/08, Rimu Atkinson <rimuatkin...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Lillsie  
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 More options May 5, 2:54 am
From: Lillsie <lillsie...@yahoo.co.nz>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 18:54:24 +1200
Local: Mon, May 5 2008 2:54 am
Subject: Re: {42collective} Re: View this page: "Events"