Geo-community and Trimble

[Google Guide Alex]

Hi everyone, 

Since Thursday's announcement about transfer of licensing there has been a lot of confusion and frustration expressed in this forum. You all deserve some clarification on how the geo-community will specifically be affected by SketchUp's move to Trimble. 

We're working through the details and while we want to be as transparent as possible, I don't have the complete message approved yet. Please stay posted and one of us will post something directly informative for this community. 

Sincerely,

Alex Juhola and the Google Guides

[Julio Signorelli]

Alex, I question protection of our work even before this started, for some reason i had a premonition that this could happen, i Ask you if you were willing to chat with me to explain myself, my English writing some times come out bad, not entirely what i want to say, but you did not answer my email, all i wanted is to help improve everything so everybody is happy, now i have remove my model until i see what will be the new policy, and i hope is better that we have now, i can really help, and i will like to do so, so if you are willing to talk i am here

[CraigD]

Hello Julio, 

We're in the process of figuring out the transition of support for the 3D Warehouse with Trimble. We'll communicate more in the coming days and weeks, but for now please be patient.

We will not be providing information individually, so please check back in the 3D Modeling for Google Earth & Maps Groups.

Cheers,

     - Craig 

On Monday, May 7, 2012 1:13:32 PM UTC-6, Julio Signorelli wrote:

Alex, I question protection of our work even before this started, for some reason i had a premonition that this could happen, i Ask you if you were willing to chat with me to explain myself, my English writing some times come out bad, not entirely what i want to say, but you did not answer my email, all i wanted is to help improve everything so everybody is happy, now i have remove my model until i see what will be the new policy, and i hope is better that we have now, i can really help, and i will like to do so, so if you are willing to talk i am here

[Julio Signorelli]

Not only this problem but others, i have sugestions, but if you guy do not want to talk, is ok with me

[Aubrey Skelly]

Julio, they wont reply - I think they are starting to realise they have a possible mess on their hands. (the downside of Arrogance)

:)

[Julio Signorelli]

To bad i was thinking they were smarter

[J.Stevenson]

I think the main concern with alot of us geo-modelers is the concept
that we all poured 100's (if not 1000's!) of hours into the creation
of a virtual gold mine of 3D models - for what we thought was a "free"
community effort (here, I am JUST talking about the GoogleEarth 3D
building layer).

But now we get the hint that instead, our models have been turned into
a product to sell to Trimble, who will now be able to re-sell it as
add-ons for GPS/GIS products!

Perhaps if we, the 3D modelers were to be compensated for our efforts
somehow this would be a bit more OK?

Otherwise, maybe a "palace revolt" wherein we ALL delete every single
one of our freely-donated GoogleEarth works might get some attention?
Imagine how empty the 3D layer would become if we all did this?!

And imagine the cost to replace all these models to restore the very
rich 3D layer to even a fraction of its current state?

;-)!

[Jeff Scylla]

The site http://ww2.trimble.com/3d/ informs, that the definitive agreement to acquire SketchUp was concluded with google 26. 4. Strange. :( And paragraphs about 3D Warehouse and rights Of models seems rally strange. Is definitive agreement or conditions of 3D warehouse and rights of models for reading please?

[Auquicu]

I think people here are rushing with conclusions with very little information, and that some modelers are getting rude.

Please have a little patience, as Google guides here don't make this desitions to be able to inmediately reply any concerns.

[Gravitar]

I agree with Auquicu. Y'all are probably making it harder on everyone and Google by removing everything, and for all we know, the transfer might do NOTHING to us. We will just have to wait and see what tomorrow brings us. -Gravitar 

[Aubrey Skelly]

If someone decides to remove all their models in one go, would it not be better to remove over a gradual basis, that way It does put The People from Google and trimble to come up with an honest answer very fast. so far I think Google have been very arrogant in regard to all the effort modelers have put in and Google could loose the good will very fast. A bit like a virus I think. If you dont get it at source than you have an epademic.

Just My humble opionion

cheers

[Julio Signorelli]

Most people do not understand that, the work they did could be gone to somebody else, as this stand you do not own the models you make, this is for Grant and Auquicu, you guy do not own your models, read carefully, unless Google came with a good policy that protect the modelers from everybody, mean the companies, the could take ownership of you model at any time an live you twidling your tumbs, and also Trimble has to have the same policy, at the moment as soon as trimble takes over the model you work very hard to make are not yours any more, so if this is not resolve before the date of tranfer you better do something, i am very sorry about this but this is the truth, and i am getting sketchup withdrawal

[Marcos David]

Hi all,

In Brazil there's a proverb that says: You're making a storm in a glass of water!

After read this page below, I'll keep calm and patient. I promise.

"Since its inception, the SketchUp team has been committed to providing a robust, user-centric solution to its community and we look forward to engaging their talent and expertise. Beyond extending the reach of the product into Trimble's commercial markets, we are committed to continuing to provide SketchUp as a free version to millions of users. Trimble and Google will also continue to collaborate on utilizing other Google tools for Trimble's markets that, along with SketchUp, will provide our customers innovative and productive tools that transform their work," concluded Fosburgh. 

http://ww2.trimble.com/news/release.aspx?id=042712a 

[Phil Croft]

 

Is the question is one of "personal model ownership"  - we create , we own and we loan (currently for non -profit  display and pleasure).   -  No matter what mis-represented checkbox is ticked ,  our models are still our own personal creation and should always carry acknowledgement as such.  In the event of commercial gain , perhaps we could all share ?.

[Randy Corbin]

Thanks for the update.

For what it's worth I'll put in my opinion too:

I understand I am not in the same class as many of the master artist and those who do this for profit but I've got to go back to the core reasons why I started making models in the first place.

First and foremost I started making models just for the fun of it as well as the thrill of seeing something I made on a world wide service. I did this knowing in advance there was no rewards or compensation for the work I was doing. I also knew that the work I uploaded was going to be used by Google to enhance their service and I wasn't going to get anything out of it. I'm in it for the fun of it. Now that it is changing hands to Trimble I plan on continuing to give away the work I do even knowing that they will be making a profit off of it because of the core reason I started which was for the fun of it. Sure I'd like to get in on some compensation if they make a profit from it but the reality for me is that I was giving it away to start with.

It would be nice though if they could find a way to compensate those master artist who do such awesome work, which I'm not one of, because they are true artists. I look at some of the other people's work and I am blown away by what you've done. Perhaps they might make Sketchup Pro available for free to you master artists or find some other way to compensate you for your work.

I do a lot of volunteer work in my community and around the world. For me I look at making Geo Models as a volunteer work because I did volunteer to do it for free from the start. I know many of you are not like me though and I do understand your frustrations. It's my hope and prayer that it all works out because you master artists are an inspiration to me.

 

To all of the Google Guides thank you for what you do and problems you are sorting through.

[Julio Signorelli]

Randy can you remove me as contributor on your model please

[LuckyFox]

Hi Marcos, please explain to us where does your quote go tangent with the things we are talking here about. Your quote have a statement about Sketchup free for millions of users, nothing about the ownership and recompense for models from 3DWH that are sold to Trimble as a big add-on to the Sketchup platform. The thing that bothers here the comunity is this frase from their "not usual yada yada"

All license rights in geolocated models (e.g. 3D buildings viewable on Google Earth) submitted before the Closing Date will remain with Google. Google will provide Trimble with a license right to use these models in Trimble’s products (including continued use in SketchUp and in any future 3D model repository which Trimble may create). 

Which in other words: your models will remain with Google as we(Google) still need them, but we will let Trimble use your models in whatever they like and here comes the cherry from the pie: (including continued use in SketchUp and in any future 3D model repository which Trimble may create) 

I don't know about you guys, that are telling that no need to rush, everything is ok. I found myself in the words of those worried here about the fact that someone will use/sell your models to make profit and you will get nothing.

As for now I deleted all my 35 high quality models from 3DWH. It's not hundreds, or thousands as some of you may have.  If everything will be ok like some of you are saying nothing will stop me from uploading them again, if I feel safe about.

I was also doing this as a volunteer work and I invested 3 years in doing high quality models for my home town in my spare time/hobby time. 

[peterg/gipuzkoa3d]

Hola

Los que retiráis modelos, es posible que luego no podais ponerlos
todos, (better model exits)
Es una buena oportunidad para que otro nuevo modelador ocupe el lugar
en esos edificios que habéis retirado..

Yo no se porque tanta preocupación, estáis interpretando mal, esto a
veces es demasiado infantil ¡

Suerte ¡¡¡

Peterg






On May 8, 6:34 pm, LuckyFox <luckyfox...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hola Marcos, por favor, nos explique, ¿de dónde va su cotización tangente con lascosas que estamos hablando aquí.Su cotización tiene una declaración acerca deSketchup gratuito para los millones de usuarios, nada acerca de la propiedad y larecompensa de los modelos de 3DWH que se venden a Trimble como un complemento importante ala plataforma de Sketchup.Lo que molesta aquí la comunidad es laFrase de su "no habitual bla bla"
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> > Todos los derechos de licencia en los modelos geolocalizados (por ejemplo, edificios en 3D visibles en> Google Earth), presentadas con anterioridad a la Fecha de Cierre se mantendrá con Google.> Google proporcionará Trimble con una licencia de derecho de uso de estos modelos enlos productos> Trimble (incluyendo el uso continuo en SketchUp y en algún futuromodelo de repositorio> 3D Trimble, que puede crear).
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> Que en otras palabras: sus modelos se quedará con Google como nosotros (Google)todavía los necesita, pero vamos a dejar utilizar sus modelos de Trimble en todo lo quegusta y aquí viene la guinda del pastel: * (incluyendo el uso continuo deSketchUp y en cualquier repositorio futuro modelo 3D de Trimble, que pueden crear) *Yo no sé ustedes, que están diciendo que no hay necesidad de apresurarse,todo está bien.Me encontré en las palabras de quienes se preocupan aquí sobreel hecho de que alguien va a usar / vender sus modelos para obtener beneficios y ustedno consigue nada.
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> Por el momento he borrado todas mis 35 modelos de alta calidad de 3DWH.No soncientos, o miles, como algunos de ustedes puedan tener.Si todo va a estar bien, como algunos de ustedes están diciendo nada me va a dejar de subir de nuevo,si se sienten seguros acerca.
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> Yo también estaba haciendo esto como un trabajo voluntario y he invertido 3 años en hacermodelos de alta calidad para mi ciudad natal, en mi tiempo libre / Hobby tiempo.
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> El Martes, 08 de mayo 2012 03:00:28 AM UTC +2, Marcos David escribió:
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> > Hola a todos,> En Brasil hay un proverbio que dice: * Usted está haciendo una tormenta en un vaso> de agua *!> Después de leer esta página a continuación, voy a mantener la calma y el paciente.Te lo prometo.
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> > * "Desde su inicio, el equipo de SketchUp se ha comprometido a proporcionar> un sistema robusto, centrado en el usuario una solución a su comunidad y esperamos que> la participación de su talento y experiencia. Más allá de la ampliación del alcance delproducto> en los mercados comerciales de Trimble , estamos comprometidos a continuar> para proporcionar SketchUp como una versión gratuita a millones de usuarios. Trimble yGoogle> también seguirá colaborando en la utilización de otras herramientas de Google> para los mercados de Trimble que, junto con SketchUp, proporcionará a nuestros clientes> innovadora y herramientas productivas que transforman su trabajo ", concluyó> Fosburgh.*
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[Auquicu]

To delete a model, it only takes a few seconds. In the other hand, to upload a model can take about a couple of minutes, including uploading the file and including all information such as the description of the building.

 

Julio, how many models have you deleted? Just to make a brief estimate on how much time will it take you to upload them again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

El lunes, 7 de mayo de 2012 13:03:28 UTC-5, Google Guide Alex escribió:

El lunes, 7 de mayo de 2012 13:03:28 UTC-5, Google Guide Alex escribió:

[LuckyFox]

I wrote in english, I don't understand why you answered in spanish language? automated translate isn't as good as you might think. 

Of course, there is a possibility now for some one else to add his/her models. I don't pretend that I am the best modeler, nor are my models. As long as the situation is unclear, even Google Guides can not explain, I prefer keeping my models safe. As the models where intended and created to be ONLY the part of GE 3D Buildings Layer, with download acces closed on 3DWH, I assume that access of the third party (Trimble) to my models wouldn't bring me mountains of choclate and rivers of milk. Also considering the fact that Google didn't ask me if I want to share models with any other companies/services. I only wanted them to be part of Google Earth 3D layer, being kind of volunteer action of "Let's model our world" or so, but now it's becoming into selling entire library of 3DWH, a volunteer library to someone willing to make profit from that. or am I stupid and Trimble bought it just to spread it more and contribute to volunteer action of modeling the world? don't be so naive guys.

[Aerilius]

Hi all,
I just want to point out some small things:

•      it takes long!
  The whole transition process is expected to take until the end of the year! There is no rush and we will all have enough time to get more detailed information. Thanks to the Google Guides who informed us as early as possibe, even if there exists not yet much info.
  If you decide to delete you models one by one, then you must be killing 'em very slowly.
  
  
•      Your models haven't been sold/bought!
  Google didn't sell the models and nor did Trimble buy them. Google gave the software SketchUp to a company who is specialist in the 3d business (while Google is specialist in web search etc.). A by-product of SketchUp is 3D Warehouse as a service. (And by the way, what could Trimble do with geo-models of barns and cottages, other then allowing Google to display them in Earth).
  
  
•      Google did the same!
  If you see it in a wider time frame, a change of ownership happens occasionally to SketchUp. SketchUp was invented by some geniuses at @Last Software and then Google bought and closed that company. At that time people reacted similarly although SketchUp retained much autonomy. Trimble is not a threat, but promisses to invest strongly in SketchUp (probably more than ever before).
  

[Marcos David]

 Well, I do not take away my almost two hundred models of the 3DWH (180 in the GE layer). I keep hoping that Google will always make better to us. My city will complete 460 years next year and then I plan to model all the buildings, bridges, railway station, stadium, etc. 

All the things I learned about Sketchup and modeling were free (training, video tutorials, etc.) So, I do not worry about losing what I have not spent.

I hope for the best. Cause I love to model. I love Skecthup. 

[CraigD]

Well said Aerilius and thank you for the support. :)

As I said in another post just now:

I believe the Trimble folks understand that there's always discomfort when things change, and I also know that they are committed to the community and excellent work you all do. They are modelers, they love 3D, they love seeing their tools used to build incredible things in this world. Let's have some faith in that passion. They're very excited about SketchUp's future, and I hope you all continue to share that excitement. 

Cheers,

    - Craig