Several copied models got accepted??!!! Google Guides, please?

[Sebastian S.]

Hi everybody,

 

I've been watching this modeler for a while now and that what I thought would happen (though I actually hoped it would not happen), happend with the last layer update! Some of his copied models got accepted! Now, it's not that I haven't told Google about this modeler, I used the 'Report a policy violation' option but I got no answer on it.

 

I really hope that a Google Guide will read this and do something against this modeler

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=0450165239759390948252332&scoring=m&hl=en&ct=lc

 

Thanks,

 

Sebastian S.

[Scorpius]

Sad but truth,he's not the only one.

[Google Guide Alex]

Hi Sebastian, 

Apologies for the radio silence here. While it is annoying, downloading a model and re-uploading is not a policy violation. See the 3D Warehouse Terms of Service. 

If your original model has been replaced with your model by another user I recommend submitting an appeal. Otherwise you can "report a problem" and mark it as "other". We'll take a look. 

Alex

[Sebastian S.]

Hi Alex,

 

Thanks for your reply!

 

None of these models were made by me, it is still annoying though. But another question (if I may)...why is this allowed??? I mean there are no differences between the original models and those who got reuploaded, so why should it be allowed....That's actually the reason I block the download-function on my models and I actually would love to share my models with the rest of the 3D-Warehouse Community but the fact that reuploaded models are allowed takes me this chance somehow... Are there any chances this will change in the (near) future??  

[Google Guide Alex]

It's allowed under the umbrella of creating a wiki-3D world. The wiki idea is that modelers build off each other's work and the result is the most accurate, most beautiful, most complete 3D model of the real world. This approach hasn't proved to be most successful, however. Modelers are artists and take great pride in their work. When others use their geometry and textures, it's seen as an offense. When others replace their model with a marginally better one, it's a worse offense. I completely understand the perspective of a modeler, as an artist myself. I also believe in the wiki approach, as a mapper. These are two worlds that are not easily melded. It's a reality we're aware of and so are re-evaluating our approach to modeling the world. 

Now, in the case of a carbon copy model the trouble is that we can't easily tell that a model has been copied. Reviewers do try to look at upload dates when comparing two models, and if the models are the exact same, it makes sense to keep the original. But the reviewers are human and occasionally miss what's happening and accept the wrong model. 

"Report a problem" and Appeals are our best methods of reporting this type of problem. I do recognize the system is not ideal.

[Julio Signorelli]

That is a Big problem that google will have to look very seriousely, what you imply Alex is that we the modelers have no prrotection  for our work under Google, and that anybody can still our models and load it into the warehouse, with out problems, i do not think this is a fair practice, that is stealing on my book, and google should treat it as such, very bad practice, i am sorry but that is completely wrong, is good if somebody made a new model to improve it,(that i find very unethical) and other thing is to take somebody elses work and put it under their name, wrong, wrong, wrong,.

[Auquicu]

Julio, you can always choose not to allow downloads of your model. That's the way modelers have to protect their models.

[SnowTiger]

Hello Alex

One thing that could prevent this from occurring in the future (at least prevent it from occurring without concrete evidence) would be if and when we use the Credit claim feature in SU, that said Credits would remain embedded in a model's geometry even after someone Explodes that model.

Currently, any Component that has been uploaded with Credits included, can easily have it's Accreditation removed simply by exploding those components.
Then anyone viewing or reviewing the model has no way to determine that someone else actually modeled it.

I realize this might be easier to say than do ... but I have complete confidence that GOOGLE could have done this.
Unfortunately, we'll Never Know now that Google sold SU to Trimble !!!

[Julio Signorelli]

I do not know if i read the terms correctly, but i understand that as soon as you put your models in the warehouse you loose all right to them, and Google can do what ever they wish with your model, is that right? even if you protect the model from other people, by disableling the download, how do you protect yourself from Google? it seem they can do what ever they want with your model, you really do not own your model any more, weir

[Google Guide Alex]

@Auquicu - You're correct. You can set your model so it cannot be downloaded and thus remove it's wiki-ability. 

@Julio - The Terms of Service hasn't changed in the last 6 years. There should be no concern that Google will do anything negligent with your models now as we haven't in the past. In regards to a wiki 3D world - I understand your opinion and other's opinions that such a concept feels "unethical". Google is re-evaluating the strategy to modeling the world and will communicate changes as plans are finalized. 

[Julio Signorelli]

I Believe that when somebody entrusth ( i do not know if that is the right word) there property to a company in this case Google, such company should do everything to protect the ownership of the creator, like when you put money in the bank the bank is responsable for the protection of such property, if we disable download we are stooping people from learning and sharing like to look at the work of other i learn from that, and i wil not ever take a model or part of a model to create one, i will start from scratch a new model, but if Google let unethical people to steal the property of the modelers with out doing much about it, i will discourage modelers from sharing the work they have done, and that will stop the learning process, i know that a few modelers have remove the collection they had in the warehouse, and i think this was the reason. i may be wrong, let hope i am

[4throck]

Let's hope that the change of companies gives us a better autorship sistem.
The ability to improve someone else's model and be credited as co-author is all that we need.
Just list "Original model by xxx; improvements by yyy, zzzz and wwww"

[KR=]

Maybe (optional) password-protection is a solution: either on exploding components, on copying geometry, on paste in another model, on save as, on upload to 3DWH, ...

Just an idea.

[Julio Signorelli]

I do not Think Google is going to do anything about this problem, i do not know why people do this , last week i deleted a model of mine that was copied they took my textures to make the model and reloaded, not fair, but The thuth is that Google offer no protection, so the only way to protect your property is not to put it in the warehouse, i am sorry to say this but it is the only way,I am getting very upset with this and the replacement of better model exist with building maker models, and this models  are so bad that that i would not considered for the building layer, not to worry Google i have deleted my nice model so you can go ahead and replace with the building maker.

[KR=]

You can have protection on your models in the 3D Warehouse by make it undownloadable.

Sad to read this btw... 

[r a e m e n n]

I've looked all over my model pages and associated links for something that gives me the option to make the model not downloadable. 

I can't find anything but the download option (.skp, .kmz & .zip). Can someone please tell me the way to make a model that is already uploaded to the warehouse not have any download options? 

A screenshot would be most helpful, Thanks