Stealing Issue ''Gonzalo''
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Jordey Fiorano
Mar 23, 2009, 2:53:46 AM3/23/09
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Hello Everybody,
My name is Jordey Fiorano and I am a car modeller for over 3 years
right now.
I'm having this problem with the ''gonzalo'' guy. Ive locked ALL my
models and he tries to steal them from me by searching tuned models
wich are actually mine. People like Medigoflame don't respond to my
emails when Im trying to ask if he can lock my models that he tuned.
Caus Gonzalo is downloading them, and re-tune them so he can upload
them in the exact same way as I did.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=01469477321207053915&scoring=d
and here are mine:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?viewer=03007311068494967128&scoring=d
As you can see there's a bunch of models he DIDN'T made.
I've contacted the Google Report Centre a couple of times, but they
dont respond to me.
If somebody here has the rights to delete models from these kind of
people, I would like to have these models deleted:
- Llanta BMW 335i
- Llanta Audi 2009
- Fiorano GTR
- Artega GT ( by Rogue© )
- Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Quattro ( he used my wheels without any
permission )
- Mercedes G-500 ( He thinks that he can be as ''populair'' as I am by
uploading the same cars. Uses the same colours, but poor quality of
tuning. Altough he DID stole my idea )
Please google do something about this.
ALL his models are not by him. Ive checked it several times. Most of
his models are imports or stolen by someone else who doesn't even
know.
I just Don't want that he can get credit by using my models, and
uploading them without a lock, so other people ( unknown people ) can
just visit the warehouse, download a sketchup model. And do whatever
they feel like.
Contact me Google, now its the time to DO it.
FioranoJC
My name is Jordey Fiorano and I am a car modeller for over 3 years
right now.
I'm having this problem with the ''gonzalo'' guy. Ive locked ALL my
models and he tries to steal them from me by searching tuned models
wich are actually mine. People like Medigoflame don't respond to my
emails when Im trying to ask if he can lock my models that he tuned.
Caus Gonzalo is downloading them, and re-tune them so he can upload
them in the exact same way as I did.
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=01469477321207053915&scoring=d
and here are mine:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?viewer=03007311068494967128&scoring=d
As you can see there's a bunch of models he DIDN'T made.
I've contacted the Google Report Centre a couple of times, but they
dont respond to me.
If somebody here has the rights to delete models from these kind of
people, I would like to have these models deleted:
- Llanta BMW 335i
- Llanta Audi 2009
- Fiorano GTR
- Artega GT ( by Rogue© )
- Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Quattro ( he used my wheels without any
permission )
- Mercedes G-500 ( He thinks that he can be as ''populair'' as I am by
uploading the same cars. Uses the same colours, but poor quality of
tuning. Altough he DID stole my idea )
Please google do something about this.
ALL his models are not by him. Ive checked it several times. Most of
his models are imports or stolen by someone else who doesn't even
know.
I just Don't want that he can get credit by using my models, and
uploading them without a lock, so other people ( unknown people ) can
just visit the warehouse, download a sketchup model. And do whatever
they feel like.
Contact me Google, now its the time to DO it.
FioranoJC
8-Perf
Mar 23, 2009, 7:17:34 AM3/23/09
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Hello Jordey-
Very sorry that you feel this way. I understand your point of view.
However, the Google 3D warehouse, as I understand it, is an open
community designed for exchange. The terms of service specifically
allow ANY model to be downloaded for free, modified and then re-
uploaded. I took a look at a few of the models in question, and there
are differences between your and his. The fact that he used your
models as a base makes no difference.
Sketchup has a watermark feature you might try. its not perfect, but
would add an extra step to remove it for copying purposes. You can
also try posting a comment in his models review section to let
everyone know where they come from. You might also try just asking
him to post credit where credit is due if he uses one of your models.
Its the polite thing to do on both sides.
Sorry for my somewhat neutral answer, but I do not see any other
recourse with the terms of service being written the way they are.
On Mar 23, 2:53 am, Jordey Fiorano <fiorano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
>
> My name is Jordey Fiorano and I am a car modeller for over 3 years
> right now.
> I'm having this problem with the ''gonzalo'' guy. Ive locked ALL my
> models and he tries to steal them from me by searching tuned models
> wich are actually mine. People like Medigoflame don't respond to my
> emails when Im trying to ask if he can lock my models that he tuned.
> Caus Gonzalo is downloading them, and re-tune them so he can upload
> them in the exact same way as I did.
>
> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=01469477321207053915...
>
> and here are mine:
>
> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?viewer=0300731106849496...
Very sorry that you feel this way. I understand your point of view.
However, the Google 3D warehouse, as I understand it, is an open
community designed for exchange. The terms of service specifically
allow ANY model to be downloaded for free, modified and then re-
uploaded. I took a look at a few of the models in question, and there
are differences between your and his. The fact that he used your
models as a base makes no difference.
Sketchup has a watermark feature you might try. its not perfect, but
would add an extra step to remove it for copying purposes. You can
also try posting a comment in his models review section to let
everyone know where they come from. You might also try just asking
him to post credit where credit is due if he uses one of your models.
Its the polite thing to do on both sides.
Sorry for my somewhat neutral answer, but I do not see any other
recourse with the terms of service being written the way they are.
On Mar 23, 2:53 am, Jordey Fiorano <fiorano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
>
> My name is Jordey Fiorano and I am a car modeller for over 3 years
> right now.
> I'm having this problem with the ''gonzalo'' guy. Ive locked ALL my
> models and he tries to steal them from me by searching tuned models
> wich are actually mine. People like Medigoflame don't respond to my
> emails when Im trying to ask if he can lock my models that he tuned.
> Caus Gonzalo is downloading them, and re-tune them so he can upload
> them in the exact same way as I did.
>
>
> and here are mine:
>
> http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?viewer=0300731106849496...
Jordey Fiorano
Mar 23, 2009, 10:31:49 AM3/23/09
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Hi,
Alright,
But again. I tried to contact him personally by rating his ( my )
models and telling him what's going on.
But he just ignores it.
He's spanish and since i'm having some kind of a home in spain, i know
that spanish people are very jaloes at others.
Caus he uploaded exact the same kind of cars as i did.
Still,
I think that this is just an issue that's too big to be ignored. Caus
he's not the only one doing it, but he's the one busy stealing on this
moment.
I want to stop this right now that's why.
Alright,
But again. I tried to contact him personally by rating his ( my )
models and telling him what's going on.
But he just ignores it.
He's spanish and since i'm having some kind of a home in spain, i know
that spanish people are very jaloes at others.
Caus he uploaded exact the same kind of cars as i did.
Still,
I think that this is just an issue that's too big to be ignored. Caus
he's not the only one doing it, but he's the one busy stealing on this
moment.
I want to stop this right now that's why.
Nicholas O'Brien
Mar 23, 2009, 1:13:03 PM3/23/09
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get over it. If you're worried about it, host your material with a watermarked texture or something, or don't bother posting these materials at all.
Google SketchUp and 3DWarehouse are implicitly about sharing and open distribution, not close-minded ownership (although this whole endeavor is a large crowd sourcing proprietary initiative for Google). You've already compromised your complaint in contributing to the Warehouse. Next time make sure to read the EULA.--
Nicholas O'Brien
www.doubleunderscore.net
doubleunderscore.wordpress.com
Google SketchUp and 3DWarehouse are implicitly about sharing and open distribution, not close-minded ownership (although this whole endeavor is a large crowd sourcing proprietary initiative for Google). You've already compromised your complaint in contributing to the Warehouse. Next time make sure to read the EULA.
Nicholas O'Brien
www.doubleunderscore.net
doubleunderscore.wordpress.com
Jordey Fiorano
Mar 23, 2009, 4:04:36 PM3/23/09
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http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/search?uq=01469477321207053915&scoring=d
The last 9 models are exacly the same as the original owners.
I don't know, but that's not kinda fair to the original uploaders
don't you think?
The last 9 models are exacly the same as the original owners.
I don't know, but that's not kinda fair to the original uploaders
don't you think?
Nicholas O'Brien
Mar 23, 2009, 4:18:11 PM3/23/09
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"Fairness" in the 3D Warehouse is an arbitrary term. What is fair, in "fair use" materials?
Is it polite? Probably not. But the fact of the matter is that Google explicitly tells its user of the potential of this kind of borrowing and appropriation (or as reactionaries would say, stealing). The community and the opportunity of/for re-hostings/remaking/re-giving in a kind of metaphorically free environment like the 3D Warehouse is akin to the kind of sharing and distribution practices on Youtube (also owned by Google, of course). Because the infrastructure of social community sites like YouTube and 3D Warehouse are built with the intent to share, it would seem fairly hubris to claim some kind of ownership over your materials. Although you can argue that he should contact you about rehosting it, your better off taking down your materials and hosting them for proprietary sale then to a community site that is structured around the idea of "free" sharing.
Is it polite? Probably not. But the fact of the matter is that Google explicitly tells its user of the potential of this kind of borrowing and appropriation (or as reactionaries would say, stealing). The community and the opportunity of/for re-hostings/remaking/re-giving in a kind of metaphorically free environment like the 3D Warehouse is akin to the kind of sharing and distribution practices on Youtube (also owned by Google, of course). Because the infrastructure of social community sites like YouTube and 3D Warehouse are built with the intent to share, it would seem fairly hubris to claim some kind of ownership over your materials. Although you can argue that he should contact you about rehosting it, your better off taking down your materials and hosting them for proprietary sale then to a community site that is structured around the idea of "free" sharing.
QII Bouwkundigen
Mar 23, 2009, 5:19:26 PM3/23/09
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I think Jordey made a sincere statement on this one.
I know the idea of all this is to share models, but one has to draw
the line somewhere (Google offcourse).
If you and others are spending several hours, days or weeks to make a
nice model, it's NOT DONE if someone else downloads it, make some
small adjustments and then upload it under there own name. They are
pretending that they did all the effort to make this model. I think
there should be some kind of builder-respect-rule. Sharing is fun and
nice, so that others can learn about it or build something else about
it, but there should be some kind of boundary to protect model
fanatics, the once who built the model from scratch, from people that
are making abuse of these models.
Maybe someone had a suggestion?
I know the idea of all this is to share models, but one has to draw
the line somewhere (Google offcourse).
If you and others are spending several hours, days or weeks to make a
nice model, it's NOT DONE if someone else downloads it, make some
small adjustments and then upload it under there own name. They are
pretending that they did all the effort to make this model. I think
there should be some kind of builder-respect-rule. Sharing is fun and
nice, so that others can learn about it or build something else about
it, but there should be some kind of boundary to protect model
fanatics, the once who built the model from scratch, from people that
are making abuse of these models.
Maybe someone had a suggestion?
Gaieus
Mar 23, 2009, 7:37:31 PM3/23/09
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Well, not a "waterpoof" solution but the "Claim credits" option (in
Model info) now gives you a certain degree of protection. You can
"credit" any part of your model (all components as well as the whole)
so it's at lest a bit "hard" to steal everything without the obvious
source.
Gai...
Model info) now gives you a certain degree of protection. You can
"credit" any part of your model (all components as well as the whole)
so it's at lest a bit "hard" to steal everything without the obvious
source.
Gai...
Alex
Mar 24, 2009, 7:44:34 AM3/24/09
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yes, gonzalo has also been stealin my models.
I think google should allow to delet a user and his model, when most
people agree.
im pretty sure he will keep on taking other models.
google has to end this, or it will never end.
> > CausGonzalois downloading them, and re-tune them so he can upload
I think google should allow to delet a user and his model, when most
people agree.
im pretty sure he will keep on taking other models.
google has to end this, or it will never end.
Jordey Fiorano
Mar 24, 2009, 9:41:44 AM3/24/09
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About the watermark thing.
What's the point?
Caus he uploaded this model:
Fiorano GTR!
It's exacly the same as the original model.
Why did he uploaded exact the same model? so he can get credit for it.
I really think, and I don't have any doubts about that. That his
latest uploads, need to be deleted. Caus they're stock and just there
to be haten by the original uploaders.
original:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=db77d00822f0ec0471a7456900c5d086
gonzalo:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=24ec179c6330c9c02ba4979e0e6e89fd
What's the point?
Caus he uploaded this model:
Fiorano GTR!
It's exacly the same as the original model.
Why did he uploaded exact the same model? so he can get credit for it.
I really think, and I don't have any doubts about that. That his
latest uploads, need to be deleted. Caus they're stock and just there
to be haten by the original uploaders.
original:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=db77d00822f0ec0471a7456900c5d086
gonzalo:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=24ec179c6330c9c02ba4979e0e6e89fd
olaf
Mar 25, 2009, 7:20:52 AM3/25/09
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Now he is called GσηzαΙσ... not knowing that his ID hasn't changed...
I also agree uploading copies of other's work is like spamming the
3dwh and demotivating good modellers. This cannot be in google's
intention.
I also agree uploading copies of other's work is like spamming the
3dwh and demotivating good modellers. This cannot be in google's
intention.
sittin...@gmail.com
Mar 25, 2009, 4:26:37 PM3/25/09
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Alex, what you are saying is an obvious conclusion for a lot of
people, but this would immediately be abused by people with too much
time on their hands that would go about creating false accounts,
spamming other people's models with delete votes until they were
deleted. Anything that can be abused, will be.
The 3D Warehouse relies on a tacit understanding of hard work and
respect. I have only once had someone "steal" my model. All they did
was download of one my buildings and re-upload it with no change
whatsoever. Since I was the one who spent some of my free time making
the model, I would prefer that my original model got accepted to GE
instead of this imitated one, and it did. Google realized what was
going on here by seeing the upload dates.
With models that aren't destined for Google Earth I can't see the
issue. Why would you place them on the 3D Warehouse if you didn't
want them to be downloaded/ edited/ viewed/ used/ shared?
people, but this would immediately be abused by people with too much
time on their hands that would go about creating false accounts,
spamming other people's models with delete votes until they were
deleted. Anything that can be abused, will be.
The 3D Warehouse relies on a tacit understanding of hard work and
respect. I have only once had someone "steal" my model. All they did
was download of one my buildings and re-upload it with no change
whatsoever. Since I was the one who spent some of my free time making
the model, I would prefer that my original model got accepted to GE
instead of this imitated one, and it did. Google realized what was
going on here by seeing the upload dates.
With models that aren't destined for Google Earth I can't see the
issue. Why would you place them on the 3D Warehouse if you didn't
want them to be downloaded/ edited/ viewed/ used/ shared?
Jordey Fiorano
Mar 26, 2009, 11:37:51 AM3/26/09
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All my models are locked and people still like it!
You can see them in 3d view.
And theyre rated from 7 to 17 ratings per model.
You can see them in 3d view.
And theyre rated from 7 to 17 ratings per model.
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