Melbourne Meeting

[Michael Lindner]

Hey,
Where has the meeting moved to? Did the vault actually close down?
Mike.
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On 09/02/2012 2:23 PM, "Troy Rose" <troy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah, i totally think this stuff is BS. An indexing service, serving the links to content is not, should not, and actually in the essence of free information and net neutrality CAN not be used in be used against these companies in my opinion.

But yet again, it doesn't come down to common sense or logic. It comes down to the bottom line for these companies. Creating a chokehold is what they are good at, and that's why that are trying to achieve, before they cut it off. 

Start getting pissed off. Then start doing something about it.

On 9 February 2012 14:12, ad...@reviews.wox.org <ad...@reviews.wox.org> wrote:

isohunt is still hanging on, they are counter suing. With good reason.

Looking over their case the only issue I see, assuming they can actually clearly explain the different between a .torrent and the actual content for the court officials (most of which probably tuned out after the 3rd paragraph of his submission) is that the RIA (or their canadian minons the CRIA) could argue copyright purely on the "text" comprising the "title" of the IP work  being stored in the index of the torrent file. Given the number of websites where even viewing some ones rough guess at the lyrics of a song has been subject to takedown and censorship lately this is a real danger.

The other point they could argue on is that the submission "names an invalid entity" to get sued. Since CRIA conveniently decided to change the official name of their organisation.  I am guessing this was a deliberate stunt.

Of course if a canadian court was stupid or just plain bent enough to rule in the CRIA's favour on those grounds, this sets the precedent that no title or text of an IP or copyrighted name is allowed to be used, effectively shutting down every newspaper, magazine, book, poster, kids drawing, footprint in the dirt, blog website, and search engine in Canada.    That and if the name change stunt works, anyone can worm out of being sued by changing their name.

Both very stupid and dangerous precedents that only an irrecoverably corrupt legal system would be greedy enough to make.  The IP companies probably don't even see the implications, nor that they are in effect working towards indirectly shutting down the internet entirely.  Or maybe they are, printed media is a dying industry all the big ad companies and print firms making nowhere near what they did in pre-internet years.

But then again, in the US where currupt officials is the norm precedents have already been set with regard to search engines like google who are now forced to comply with legal notices.  I notice google are already altering how their cache (their most IP sensitive area) works, making it a less obvious hidden option on the right of each link.

Pity Google hasn't been pissed off enough to petition or sue a case back against these music/film IP companies for various things like fraud, economic terrorism, violation of the constitution and such. Google being international could probably fight on multiple fronts quite easily with the lawyers already drawing wages. Wouldn't even effect their bottom line, and may bring some sanity to assorted countries where they win.

On 8/2/2012 2:36 PM, Cee Gee wrote:

If I were them, I would be scared. Keep in mind that most of the sites
are not-for-profit, the owners of sites like that won't be driving
around in Ferraris like Kim Dotcom - whose Megaupload (regardless of
intent to pirate) was built to make money.

So if you're offering a free service for the good of the (pirate)
community and you have a regular day-job, why would you take the risk?
Even as a pirating freedom-fighter, most people don't want to lose
their career ambitions, family, whatever.

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[brendan]

lol i literally hit send on an email to the list and this one arrived.

we're moving to softbelly. details to arrive soon

cheers