Cops shoot and kill man with meat clever
richard
In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
gunfire? Bullshit.
Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force. A good shot with
a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
Or taking him down with brute force? No, the untrained cops only know that
their weapons will end the affair swiftly. So now the department could be
looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot first,
ask questions later.
Doug
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> http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>
> Bullshit.
I left the only word in your post you got right, you just aimed it the wrong
way. ;)
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> http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>
> In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
> Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
> gunfire? Bullshit.
At a Sikh temple no less.
> Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force. A good shot with
> a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
> Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
> officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
>
I bet he spoke hindi pretty well.
> What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
> Or taking him down with brute force? No, the untrained cops only know that
> their weapons will end the affair swiftly. So now the department could be
> looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
>
Its how they deal with mentally ill people in Uhmurikuh.
FYI
> Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot first,
> ask questions later.
Ever wonder how many cops become cops so they can kill people legally?
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richard
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:04:37 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>>
>>In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
>
> Tell me again, where and when you received your POST certification?
>
>>Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
>>gunfire? Bullshit.
>
> You don't know the circumstances, unless you were there, which I
> seriously doubt.
>
>>Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force.
>
> LOL, so, Chief of Armchair Quarterback Police, how would YOU have
> handled this? So obviously, in your expert opinion, the officers
> involved will be charged, and the department sued, right?
http://definitions.uslegal.com/e/excessive-force/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96509&page=1
I have worked in law enforcement and have taken college courses in same.
Have you?
No police officer has the legal right to kill simply to end a situation.
Picture a man with a baby and a knife up against a building wall,
surrounded by 30 officers, all with guns. The cops could have ended the
situation simply by shooting the man with one clean shot. You would say
"yeah man, shoot the bastard".
>
>>A good shot with a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
>
> How many people have you shot with a taser?
None. Never handled one. Don't intend to. I believe they are a cheap shot
that could be better handled with words and proper brute force.
>
>>Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
>>officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
>
> I think ANYONE who's holding a butcher knife who sees police officers
> near him with a gun pointed at him - that's pretty much the universal
> language for "STOP" and / or "Put down the weapon."
No Comprehende Inglis. Would you understand the words spoken by a Tibet cop
in Tibet?
>
>>What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
>
> The knees? Have you shot a moving target in the knees? Try it
> sometime. First, not as easy as it looks (and no, I've never done it).
> Second, may not take a person down.
>
>>Or taking him down with brute force?
>
> Brute force? Serious? You mean run up to tackle a guy with a meat
> cleaver? And get killed? Sorry, no, not going to happen.
Ever hear of martial arts?
>
>>No, the untrained cops
>
> Untrained cops? I'd bet any one of these cops is better trained than
> you.
Heh. You have no clues how Ohio law enforcement works do you boy?
I doubt seriously if Bedford Ohio cops have ever seen one day of classroom
training.
>
> Sorry, tell me again how long your law enforcement career was?
8 years. Even though it was in the private sector, I still knew what I was
allowed to do under most circumstances. If I had a real problem, I'd call
the real cops.
>
>>only know that their weapons will end the affair swiftly.
>
> And unfortunately, that's sometimes the only way.
To idiots without proper training. And in Hollywood.
>
>>So now the department could be looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
>
> We'll keep our eyes on that.
>
>>Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot first,
>>ask questions later.
>
> "Bedford Police Chief Gregory Duber says his department has had prior
> encounters with the suspect. Nijjar was arrested in November, 2008 for
> yelling at passing vehicles.
Say what? He's exercising his "Freedom of speech" rights. Which Ohio law or
city ordinance was he charged under?
>
> Then, one month later, Nijjar was again arrested, this time for
> disorderly intoxication, following a fight in his apartment building."
>
> So there was a history with this person. Your judgement that he spoke
> no English was likely wrong, and the officers probably knew there was
> no other choice.
>
> Sorry Matlock, you lose this one.
Still, excessive force was used. What's wrong with using a baton to protect
yourself with as well as taking the man down?
Hell, I've taken a man down with my bare hands and feet. Wrestling style.
Works quite well.
I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across the
floor.
Aardvark
> I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across
> the floor.
Bull.
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> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:39:37 GMT, Aardvark
> <aard...@youllnever.know>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 12:49:05 -0700, richard wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across
>>> the floor.
>>
>>Bull.
>
> He meant a 5 year old police dog of course.
I thought he meant a bull.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> Evan Platt wrote:
>> Sorry, tell me again how long your law enforcement career was?
>
> 8 years. Even though it was in the private sector,
"Paul Blar ... er, Richard Bullis, Mall Cop!"
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Jordon
> Evan Platt wrote:
>> Sorry, tell me again how long your law enforcement career was?
> 8 years. Even though it was in the private sector,
Being a security guard doesn't qualify as law enforcement.
Jordon
> http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>
> In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
> Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
> gunfire? Bullshit.
> Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force.
Bullshit.
> A good shot with
> a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
Did he have a taser?
> Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
> officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
But the perp used the universal language of waving a cleaver around
and running toward a cop with it. In any language on this planet that
means: "I'm going to kill a cop with this cleaver!" The cop responded
in kind by pointing a gun at him and yelling. That means (in all
languages): "If you keep coming at me with that cleaver I'm going
to kill you."
> What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
Because if he's on meth it might not slow him down and an innocent
bystander gets killed and the cops get blamed for not stopping him.
Cops are not trained to shoot to wound. If deadly force is needed,
deadly force is used.
> Or taking him down with brute force?
Are you serious? Attempting to physically take down someone with
a cleaver? Nice way to die and possibly allow other people to die.
> No, the untrained cops only know that their weapons will end
> the affair swiftly.
When met with deadly force, you respond with deadly force.
> So now the department could be looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
Wrongful only has one L in it. And you're an idiot.
> Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot first,
> ask questions later.
Stump stupid you are.
Go back in your hidy hole. What is this? Whack a mole?
Sano
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Works for me spudboi. Happened about 5 miles from here. Good ridance to
dumbasses.
Maybe they should have called Obamma. _He_ could have cleared his
schedule for a 'nother bs session. Maybe have a beer with the fuck.
richard
and yet another example of trigger happy cops.
http://www.kpho.com/news/23073292/detail.html
A man with a knife gives the cop the right to shoot and possibly kill?
In the military, you are trained to defend yourself and take out a person
who has the weapon, be it knife or gun. Hell, even Steven Segall on
"Lawman" is shown teaching his fellow cops how to do it.
Bert Hyman
<mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> A man with a knife gives the cop the right to shoot and possibly kill?
Often, yes.
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Aardvark
> and yet another example of trigger happy cops.
> http://www.kpho.com/news/23073292/detail.html
You wanna see trigger-happy?:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes>
Mike Yetto
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:54:48 -0700, Evan Platt wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:04:37 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>>>
>>>In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
>>
>> Tell me again, where and when you received your POST certification?
>>
>>>Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
>>>gunfire? Bullshit.
>>
>> You don't know the circumstances, unless you were there, which I
>> seriously doubt.
>>
>>>Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force.
>>
>> LOL, so, Chief of Armchair Quarterback Police, how would YOU have
>> handled this? So obviously, in your expert opinion, the officers
>> involved will be charged, and the department sued, right?
>
> http://definitions.uslegal.com/e/excessive-force/
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96509&page=1
>
> I have worked in law enforcement and have taken college courses in same.
> Have you?
Really? I'm having a hard time accepting that.
> No police officer has the legal right to kill simply to end a situation.
> Picture a man with a baby and a knife up against a building wall,
> surrounded by 30 officers, all with guns. The cops could have ended the
> situation simply by shooting the man with one clean shot. You would say
> "yeah man, shoot the bastard".
This is not the same situation at all. A man comes down the
stairs brandishing a meat cleaver and doesn't stop when ordered
to do so by a police officer. One clean shot took care of the
situation.
>>
>>>A good shot with a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
>>
>> How many people have you shot with a taser?
>
> None. Never handled one. Don't intend to. I believe they are a cheap shot
> that could be better handled with words and proper brute force.
>
>>
>>>Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
>>>officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
Well, how much harm could he have done with a meat cleaver if he
doesn't speak English?
>>
>> I think ANYONE who's holding a butcher knife who sees police officers
>> near him with a gun pointed at him - that's pretty much the universal
>> language for "STOP" and / or "Put down the weapon."
>
> No Comprehende Inglis. Would you understand the words spoken by a Tibet cop
> in Tibet?
>
>>
>>>What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
>>
>> The knees? Have you shot a moving target in the knees? Try it
>> sometime. First, not as easy as it looks (and no, I've never done it).
>> Second, may not take a person down.
>>
>>>Or taking him down with brute force?
>>
>> Brute force? Serious? You mean run up to tackle a guy with a meat
>> cleaver? And get killed? Sorry, no, not going to happen.
>
> Ever hear of martial arts?
>
Certainly, you use the best weapon available. If the other guy
brings a knife to a gun fight and you drop your gun you are
playing with him. You would also be inviting him to continue the
fight, while pointing the gun with the intent to use it if
necessary is an invitation to stop fighting.
>>
>>>No, the untrained cops
>>
>> Untrained cops? I'd bet any one of these cops is better trained than
>> you.
>
> Heh. You have no clues how Ohio law enforcement works do you boy?
> I doubt seriously if Bedford Ohio cops have ever seen one day of classroom
> training.
>
>>
>> Sorry, tell me again how long your law enforcement career was?
>
> 8 years. Even though it was in the private sector, I still knew what I was
> allowed to do under most circumstances. If I had a real problem, I'd call
> the real cops.
>
Was you gun made of wood or plastic? Being a mall cop or night
witchman is not law enforcement.
>>
>>>only know that their weapons will end the affair swiftly.
>>
>> And unfortunately, that's sometimes the only way.
>
> To idiots without proper training. And in Hollywood.
>
Proper training is usually to shoot for the center of mass until the
subject goes down.
>>
>>>So now the department could be looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
>>
>> We'll keep our eyes on that.
>>
>>>Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot first,
>>>ask questions later.
Say, that's a nice cleaver you have there. Does it hold an edge
well? How's the balance? Ouch, will that blood wash off in the
dishwasher, or do you have to wash it by hand?
>>
>> "Bedford Police Chief Gregory Duber says his department has had prior
>> encounters with the suspect. Nijjar was arrested in November, 2008 for
>> yelling at passing vehicles.
>
> Say what? He's exercising his "Freedom of speech" rights. Which Ohio law or
> city ordinance was he charged under?
>
Possibly being a public nuisance, disorderly conduct, creating a
hazardous situation by accosting moving vehicles or any of several
other charges would be possible.
>>
>> Then, one month later, Nijjar was again arrested, this time for
>> disorderly intoxication, following a fight in his apartment building."
>>
>> So there was a history with this person. Your judgement that he spoke
>> no English was likely wrong, and the officers probably knew there was
>> no other choice.
>>
>> Sorry Matlock, you lose this one.
>
> Still, excessive force was used. What's wrong with using a baton to protect
> yourself with as well as taking the man down?
> Hell, I've taken a man down with my bare hands and feet. Wrestling style.
> Works quite well.
Was he coming down the stairs at you with a meat cleaver? Or was
he already falling down drunk and asking for a light?
> I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across the
> floor.
>
This is as believable as much of what you've posted.
Mike "RtS: as informative as always" Yetto
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> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:04:37 -0700, richard
> <mem...@newsguy.com>wrote:
>
>>http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.stor
>>y
>>
>>In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
>>Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the
>>use of gunfire? Bullshit.
>
> Since your opinion doesn't matter
You'll prove it by humping his poast?
Interesting...
> I'd be a fool to go into detail
> why people who carry deadly weapons then don't drop them when they
> are told by the cops to do so or get shot do get just that, shot.
>
Translation: I can't explain the situation but I can make one hella
excuse.
Aws0m3!
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> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:04:37 -0700, richard wrote:
>
>> http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.sto
>> ry
>>
>> In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
>> Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the
>> use of gunfire? Bullshit.
>> Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force. A good
>> shot with a taser would have taken the guy down without any
>> problems. Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did
>> not respond to the officer's orders simply because the man did
>> not know English?
>>
>> What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
>> Or taking him down with brute force? No, the untrained cops only
>> know that their weapons will end the affair swiftly. So now the
>> department could be looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
>>
>> Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot
>> first, ask questions later.
>
> and yet another example of trigger happy cops.
> http://www.kpho.com/news/23073292/detail.html
>
> A man with a knife gives the cop the right to shoot and possibly
> kill?
Probably. I'd say in that instance it was SBC (suicide by cop).
The guy was depressed & fightinig with his wife. So she calls the
cops and he decides to escalate the situation to the probable
outcome.
Again, in Uhmurikuh, we are confronted with our collective lack of
care for the mentally ill.
Its social darwinism in action. Truly, we are a completely FUBAR'd
society when things like this happen and no-one bats a collective
eye.
We just shrug and move on.
> In the military, you are trained to defend yourself and take
> out a person who has the weapon, be it knife or gun. Hell, even
> Steven Segall on "Lawman" is shown teaching his fellow cops how to
> do it.
Sure, you get in close so the attacker cant swing and you grab their
wrist at the pressure point and they drop it. If you're good with
pressure points and say a kuboton you, can put any mofo on his knees
in about 3 seconds :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubotan
thund3rstruck
> http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>
> In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
> Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
> gunfire? Bullshit.
> Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force. A good shot with
> a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
Unless the guy was hopped up on something like PCP.
> Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
> officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
>
> What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
I guess you've never been target shooting? Even when you were in the
military for just shy of 3 months? If you had, you would know that the
smaller the target, the harder it is to hit. Add a stressful situation
and it's worse.
> Or taking him down with brute force? No, the untrained cops only know that
> their weapons will end the affair swiftly. So now the department could be
> looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
And if a couple cops had tried to physically take him down, he could
have hurt or killed one of the cops. While I know that scenario would be
a delight to you, I doubt the officer's families would feel the same way.
> Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot first,
> ask questions later.
Much like you in front of the keyboard, eh?
n0i
thund3rstruck
<snip>
> I think ANYONE who's holding a butcher knife who sees police officers
> near him with a gun pointed at him - that's pretty much the universal
> language for "STOP" and / or "Put down the weapon."
>
If it had been me, I would have taken anything they were saying as
'put down the weapon and piss your pants'...lol
n0i
monkeywintest
§ñühw¤£f wrote:
> In message <pdm3f956bg8q.1p...@40tude.net>, richard wrote:
> > http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
> >
> > In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
> > Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
> > gunfire? Bullshit.
>
> At a Sikh temple no less.
>
> > Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force. A good shot with
> > a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
> > Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
> > officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
> >
>
> I bet he spoke hindi pretty well.
>
> > What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
> > Or taking him down with brute force? No, the untrained cops only know that
> > their weapons will end the affair swiftly. So now the department could be
> > looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
> >
>
> Its how they deal with mentally ill people in Uhmurikuh.
> FYI
>
> > Yeppers, that's what I call good old fashioned police work. Shoot first,
> > ask questions later.
>
> Ever wonder how many cops become cops so they can kill people legally?
>
When I was younger I used to ask other teens why they would become a
cop. The answers were always was to kill people or to take peoples
weed. Jocks and stoner types as it goes.
Not one person said to be a good cop. I was the only person who said
that would be my motivation and people said you have a record and
couldn't be a good cop, I said precisely, that is why I wouldn't even
try, even without a juvenile record.
monkeywintest
richard wrote:
> http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>
> In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
> Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
> gunfire? Bullshit.
> a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
That's all well and good but if you threaten a cop or anybody like
that with a deadly weapon, especially as menacing as that, I see no
other choice. I mean each cop wants to see their family again and even
go to work the next day.
I had a friend who had an associate I knew that was a neo nazi type.
He murdered a cop and left the highly decorated dedicated cop without
a father for his daughter and his wife without a husband.
I had somebody (crazed speed freak) try to rob my girlfriend and had a
very large knife and was making threatening gestures to her baby in
the stroller and boy it took me only a few seconds to figure out how
best to disarm the person and things sure went into slow motion. I did
suffer for a while as I was directly threatened as was my girlfriend.
Stressful, I could barely stand and my heart didn't slow down for
probably hours. I would shoot the person in 'any' situation like that
and would strongly back any cop or civilian folk in the same
situation.
I have my view of cops, heck I have seen where cops tortured homeless
kids I knew, one of which was a ten year old girl. But most cops are
very very decent people that would back anybody in an instant if they
needed help. To ask them to not defend themselves with lethal force
for a situation that is literally life and death for them, is asking
them to die for somebody who would likely try to kill anybody at the
drop of a hat.
Some things in life just never had (have) to happen in the first
place. These incidents are a few of them.
monkeywintest
wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:39:37 GMT, Aardvark
> <aard...@youllnever.know>wrote:
>
> >
> >> I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across
> >> the floor.
> >
> >Bull.
>
Know how that feels. That was misuse of force for sure.
monkeywintest
> On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:54:48 -0700, Evan Platt wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 11:04:37 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >>http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
> >>
> >>In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
> >
> > Tell me again, where and when you received your POST certification?
> >
> >>Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
> >>gunfire? Bullshit.
I know street savy people that have been stabbed by gangbangers. Who
had a dozen people working on them at one time just trying to keep
them alive let alone dying a few times. What ya gonna risk and why.
> > You don't know the circumstances, unless you were there, which I
> > seriously doubt.
> >
> >>Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force.
> >
> > LOL, so, Chief of Armchair Quarterback Police, how would YOU have
> > handled this? So obviously, in your expert opinion, the officers
> > involved will be charged, and the department sued, right?
>
> http://definitions.uslegal.com/e/excessive-force/
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96509&page=1
>
> I have worked in law enforcement and have taken college courses in same.
> Have you?
Sounds like the classic markings of the classic mall security guard,
amiright?
> No police officer has the legal right to kill simply to end a situation.
That is true in most cases but some things are purely justified.
> Picture a man with a baby and a knife up against a building wall,
> surrounded by 30 officers, all with guns. The cops could have ended the
> situation simply by shooting the man with one clean shot. You would say
> "yeah man, shoot the bastard".
Rather see him dead than a baby with a slit throat.
> >
> >>A good shot with a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
> >
> > How many people have you shot with a taser?
>
> None. Never handled one. Don't intend to. I believe they are a cheap shot
> that could be better handled with words and proper brute force.
>
> >
> >>Given the location, is it not possible that the guy did not respond to the
> >>officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
> >
> > I think ANYONE who's holding a butcher knife who sees police officers
> > near him with a gun pointed at him - that's pretty much the universal
> > language for "STOP" and / or "Put down the weapon."
>
> No Comprehende Inglis. Would you understand the words spoken by a Tibet cop
> in Tibet?
I once was with some of my friends when I was younger in downtown
Denver, we were doing our fun LSD tour, this guy with literally with a
menacing machete was groaning real loud and you could hear were he was
at and see him crossing streets among the night lights and his outline
casted a very eerie image.
Everywhere we went he was only a block or two away. We were pretty
concerned that would would intersect with the madman at some point.
Some cops came up, good natured guys, they asked if we happened to see
a guy with a machete occasionally groaning. We said we though about 3
blocks away directly behind us, then said, did you hear that? They
said that must be our guy and the cops advised us to keep away from
the creepy people as that night had a lot of incidents like that. Any
way the groaning ended shortly after and didn't hear a gunshot so they
must have got him safely. Most cops make the right decisions but
occasionally they have to make a decision that could end a life. I
would rather see a cop make it home to his family and a guy who would
kill me either
taken with deadly force or if possible non-lethal force. Neither
option is always possible.
> >
> >>What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
> >
> > The knees? Have you shot a moving target in the knees? Try it
> > sometime. First, not as easy as it looks (and no, I've never done it).
> > Second, may not take a person down.
> >
> >>Or taking him down with brute force?
> >
> > Brute force? Serious? You mean run up to tackle a guy with a meat
> > cleaver? And get killed? Sorry, no, not going to happen.
>
> Ever hear of martial arts?
Ever hear of being hacked to fuck with something that could easily
leave an arm dangling from a tendon?
Cops escalate the use of force to fit the situation as it escalates.
Sounds like this was critical mass from square one. Trust me I treat
most police shootings with pure suspension but this has my approval.
Oldus Fartus
>
>> Sorry, tell me again how long your law enforcement career was?
>
> 8 years. Even though it was in the private sector, I still knew what I was
> allowed to do under most circumstances. If I had a real problem, I'd call
> the real cops.
>
I call bullshit.
>>
snip
> I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across the
> floor.
>
I saw that episode of Funniest Home Videos too.
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Kent Wills
[...]
>I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across the
>floor.
Uh huh.
What did you dream the next night? :)
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Unless it's the one where you're at work in your underwear during a
fire drill.
Kent Wills
<deni...@westozNOSPAMcomputers.com> wrote:
>little dicky bullis (richard) wrote:
>
>>
>>> Sorry, tell me again how long your law enforcement career was?
>>
>> 8 years. Even though it was in the private sector, I still knew what I was
>> allowed to do under most circumstances. If I had a real problem, I'd call
>> the real cops.
>>
>
>I call bullshit.
>
It's plausible that he would call the police.
Oh, you mean being a private sector cop. :)
>>>
>
>snip
>
>> I've seen a 5 year old take down a guy 6 feet tall and drag him across the
>> floor.
>>
>
>I saw that episode of Funniest Home Videos too.
Clearly I need to watch more TV...
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Mike Yetto
> and yet another example of trigger happy cops.
> http://www.kpho.com/news/23073292/detail.html
>
Attacking a cop with a knife is not a brilliant idea. Note that
his wife said he was suicidal and had a gun. Sounds like suicid
by cop to me.
> A man with a knife gives the cop the right to shoot and possibly kill?
> In the military, you are trained to defend yourself and take out a person
> who has the weapon, be it knife or gun. Hell, even Steven Segall on
> "Lawman" is shown teaching his fellow cops how to do it.
Is this the same Steven Segall that you have been berating
lately? You know, the one pretending to be a real cop.
It ceratinly shouldn't take more than a few minutes to turn the
entire force into Akido experts.
Mike "at least try to be consistent" Yetto
Mike Yetto
Would that be considered "excessive farce"?
Mike "keyboardicide?" Yetto
The Old Sourdough
snip
> A man with a knife gives the cop the right to shoot and possibly kill?
Yes.
> In the military, you are trained to defend yourself and take out a person
> who has the weapon, be it knife or gun.
How would you know? I doubt if the military ever entrusted you to
carry an empty bayonet scabbard, let alone an actual weapon.
> Hell, even Steven Segall on
> "Lawman" is shown teaching his fellow cops how to do it.
Here we go again...
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Where do I find nothing?
Bert Hyman
> In the military, you are trained to defend yourself and take out a
> person who has the weapon, be it knife or gun.
Hardly.
Leythos
mem...@newsguy.com says...
>
> http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-bedford-police-shooting,0,6810143.story
>
> In my opinion, a piss poor way of handling the situation.
> Cops can't take down a crazed man with a meat clever without the use of
> gunfire? Bullshit.
> Technically, and legally, that's known as excessive force. A good shot with
> a taser would have taken the guy down without any problems.
> officer's orders simply because the man did not know English?
>
> What would have been wrong with shooting the man in the knees?
> their weapons will end the affair swiftly. So now the department could be
> looking at wrongfull death lawsuits.
>
> ask questions later.
HA HA HA - A liberal moron that believes the lives of the officers have
less value than the life of a person that chooses to threaten the lives
of cops/others.
Why not hold the violent offender accountable for his own actions?
His choice was to threaten cops with a deadly weapon, he got what he
wanted.
Quoted from your posted link:
"
Officers entered a west side entrance, and confronted 41-year-old
Ravinder Nijjar as he came down some steps and around the corner.
Police say Nijjar came toward the officers with a meat cleaver, despite
warnings to drop it.
That's when an officer opened fire, striking the suspect.
Nijjar was taken to Bedford Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead
at 5:10 a.m.
"
So, he was an unstable person, with a large weapon, refusing to stop
advancing on cops with the weapon, was warned, was shot, died in
hospital from gunshot.
Why didn't you express how glad you are that the police were not harmed
by this person?
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thought with
news:53c0a958-abbe-4d2f...@c36g2000yqm.googlegroups.co
m:
Its not an area of absolutes. Some families have a tradition of
service and are decent folks. But the lure of power is always there
and being sanctioned by the state to kill for the state is too much
for some to handle.
Leythos
snuh...@netscape.net says...
> Ever wonder how many cops become cops so they can kill people legally?
>
I know more than 80 cops and their families, not one of them has even
had to draw their gun in the line of duty.... What does that tell you?
The Old Sourdough
>>In news:6kga52on9ij5.kaozn7130bfs$.d...@40tude.net richard
>><mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In the military, you are trained to defend yourself and take out a
>>> person who has the weapon, be it knife or gun.
>>
>>Hardly.
> Hey now, you better have some hardcore military experience to
> challenge st00pid's what, 50 days basic training?
I doubt seriously whether he ever had as much as 50 days of
real training in his 86 day career.