80 Way HDD flat cable.
ian field
old 40 way cable.
When I added a 3rd HDD on the same port as the DVD-RW, I decided to upgrade
the cable from 40wy drive select to 80 wy cable select.
With the 80 wy cable it took over an hour to fill a DVD-RW disk with files,
reverting back to the 40 wy cable I'd taken out, the time taken was back to
the usual - about 20 minutes.
Does the faster transfer rate of an 80 wy cable not work with a DVD drive?
TIA.
meerkat
"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Mike Easter
> So I'm told, the 80 way HDD IDE cable allows faster data transfer than the
> old 40 way cable.
Not so, according to the way you stated it.
The older standard ATA/ATAPI-4 ATA-4 had a slower transfer rate UDMA/33
and 40 wires.
The newer standard ATA/ATAPI-5 ATA-5 had a faster transfer rate UDMA and
introduced 80 wires, half of which were ground to avoid crosstalk at
higher transfer rates.
Both 80 & 40 (only) have 40 pins.
> When I added a 3rd HDD on the same port as the DVD-RW, I decided to upgrade
> the cable from 40wy drive select to 80 wy cable select.
>
> With the 80 wy cable it took over an hour to fill a DVD-RW disk with files,
> reverting back to the 40 wy cable I'd taken out, the time taken was back to
> the usual - about 20 minutes.
>
> Does the faster transfer rate of an 80 wy cable not work with a DVD drive?
I don't know the answer to your observation.
--
Mike Easter
ian field
"meerkat" <jonbr...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Whilst on the subject;
My other PC has both IDE and SATA ports, can I use both at the same time, or
is it like the memory that MOBO's for a while had both types of slot - you
could only populate one type of slot or the other, not both at the same
time?
meerkat
John Holmes
> I don't know the answer
DUH!
--
<snip>
chuckcar
If you want higher bandwidth from your drives, Go SCSI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scsi
Generally not as "user-friendly" as IDE by a long shot, but faster and
allows more drives per cable.
--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
ian field
Alec Lourmier
wrote:
>If you want higher bandwidth from your drives, Go SCSI.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scsi
>
>Generally not as "user-friendly" as IDE by a long shot, but faster and
>allows more drives per cable.
The added cost of Ultra-320 is not worth the performance gain. Have
you priced Ultra-320 drives? Not to mention the controller for it...
SAS is overkill too. SATA is the logical next step up from IDE-- keep
SCSI/SAS in the datacenter.
--
Alec
I am pro skub.
chuckcar
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You're complaining about a hard drive costing ~$180?
chuckcar
news:uvb4n5hi3j90psdcp...@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:54:38 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar <ch...@nil.car>
> wrote:
>
>>You're complaining about a hard drive costing ~$180?
>
> SCSI 147 GB for $180.
> SATA 1TB for $100.
>
And SATA is the cheapest of the cheap. Your point is nonsence.
ian field
"Evan Platt" <ev...@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:50:04 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar <ch...@nil.car>
> wrote:
>
>>And SATA is the cheapest of the cheap. Your point is nonsence.
>
What size does SATA go up to nowadays?
Mike Easter
> What size does SATA go up to nowadays?
Both Seagate & WD make a 2T SATA.
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Mike Easter
ian field
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
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After the last seagate I bought I'd be reluctant to risk another!
Recently it suffered a data error which resulted in Windows (eventually)
restarting in checkdisk, subsequently Spinrite marked 3 blocks uncorrectable
and reported a huge number of seek errors.
TBH I'd sooner go for a no name cheap Chinese drive.
olfart
"ian field" <gangprob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Desk Rabbit
Wow! So you are suggesting that the OP; Removes all his IDE drives (Both
hard drives and RAM),purchases replacement SCSI interface equivalents
and a SCSI controller card plus all the necessary cables?
And all this because the OP probably used the wrong cable and/or the
wrong way round on a motherboard and drive that we don't even know can
support higher speed ATA?
My mind just Boggled!
ian field
"olfart" <olfa...@excite.com> wrote in message
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They're the rejects from the cheap Chinese factory.
ian field
"Desk Rabbit" <m...@example.com> wrote in message
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You shouldn't judge others by your own level of intelligence.
Mike Easter
> ian field wrote:
>> So I'm told, the 80 way HDD IDE cable allows faster data transfer than
>> the old 40 way cable.
>
> Not so, according to the way you stated it.
>
> The older standard ATA/ATAPI-4 ATA-4 had a slower transfer rate UDMA/33
> and 40 wires.
>
> The newer standard ATA/ATAPI-5 ATA-5 had a faster transfer rate UDMA and
> introduced 80 wires, half of which were ground to avoid crosstalk at
> higher transfer rates.
I left out 66; 'ATA-5 had a faster transfer rate UDMA/66 introduced 80
wires'...
> Both 80 & 40 (only) have 40 pins.
>
>> When I added a 3rd HDD on the same port as the DVD-RW, I decided to
>> upgrade the cable from 40wy drive select to 80 wy cable select.
>>
>> With the 80 wy cable it took over an hour to fill a DVD-RW disk with
>> files, reverting back to the 40 wy cable I'd taken out, the time taken
>> was back to the usual - about 20 minutes.
>>
>> Does the faster transfer rate of an 80 wy cable not work with a DVD
>> drive?
>
> I don't know the answer to your observation.
>
That is to say, it is 'illogical' that the 80 wire should be slower.
There is something wrong with your report. Many opticals are only
UDMA/33 and will not go 66, but an optical should not go any slower with
an 80 wire cable than a 40 wire cable.
There is something wrong with your report.
--
Mike Easter
Alec Lourmier
wrote:
>> SAS is overkill too. SATA is the logical next step up from IDE-- keep
>> SCSI/SAS in the datacenter.
>>
>You're complaining about a hard drive costing ~$180?
No. As Evan stated, it's not the cost, it's the cost per GB that
matters in this case.
Consider the pros of each technology:
SCSI/SAS:
-Enterprise drives designed to run 24/7 (reliability)
-Fast spindle speed for I/O intensive apps (databases, for example)
SATA:
-Low cost per GB
-High storage density (larger single drives)
-Lower power usage
Which set of advantages do you think is more suited to a home user?
ian field
"Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote in message
I called it the way I see it.
chuckcar
How old was the hard drive? They *do* have a limited lifespan. All hard
drives do.
chuckcar
Then you weren't using it.
The OP specifically asked what were faster hard drives and is changing in
any case.
chuckcar
You don't mention transfer rates, which is a primary cause of the syndrome:
"the computer stopped responding, so I turned it off." the number one cause
of windows corruption. The OP specifically mentioned transfer rates as his
problem.
Alec Lourmier
wrote:
>> SCSI/SAS:
>> -Enterprise drives designed to run 24/7 (reliability)
>> -Fast spindle speed for I/O intensive apps (databases, for example)
>>
>> SATA:
>> -Low cost per GB
>> -High storage density (larger single drives)
>> -Lower power usage
>>
>> Which set of advantages do you think is more suited to a home user?
>>
>You don't mention transfer rates,
You're right-- I didn't mention transfer rates; in any case, SCSI/SAS
and SATA both have that advantage over IDE:
SATA: 1.5, 3.0, or 6.0 Gb/s.
SAS: 3.0 or 6.0 Gb/s
EIDE: 1,364 Mb/s
>which is a primary cause of the syndrome:
>"the computer stopped responding, so I turned it off."
But, that's not the OP's syndrome...
the number one cause
>of windows corruption. The OP specifically mentioned transfer rates as his
>problem.
Look, SCSI is relevant technology even today, and I'm not disagreeing
that replacing IDE devices in the machine would solve the problem-- of
course it would, since you would be removing every possible variable:
the controller, the cable, the jumper settings, a faulty optical
drive...
Even if that were the most efficient fix (I'd say you're better off
spending the money on a new machine at this point), why such a
dramatic upgrade (from outdated crap to server class hardware)?
Desk Rabbit
No the OP did not ask that question. The OP was asking about using 40pin
and 80pin cables on his existing ATA drive setup to increase the speed
of his DVD drive.
Your response, and I quote, was; "If you want higher bandwidth from your
drives, Go SCSI."
Desk Rabbit
ian field
"chuckcar" <ch...@nil.car> wrote in message
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Less than 2 months.
chuckcar
This is going *way* beyond the scope of my initial reply. It simply dealt
with the fastest type of hard drive and interface. Nothing more. What's
your interest in the matter?
chuckcar
>
>>> TBH I'd sooner go for a no name cheap Chinese drive.
>>>
>> How old was the hard drive? They *do* have a limited lifespan. All hard
>> drives do.
>
> Less than 2 months.
>
Happens. Never to me fortunately. In using PC clones since the late 80's.
Bell curve you know. I guess you weren't interested in a warrenty
replacement. Did you try to get a refund?
Alec Lourmier
wrote:
>This is going *way* beyond the scope of my initial reply. It simply dealt
>with the fastest type of hard drive and interface. Nothing more. What's
>your interest in the matter?
I'm just wondering why you are recommending server drives to someone
who was content with IDE, instead of the logical next step up.
It's like replacing an entire car transmission because it's shifting a
little hard lately. And the replacement is higher-torque, but the
engine of the car is the same.
freemont
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:14:20 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar <ch...@nil.car>
> wrote:
>
>>This is going *way* beyond the scope of my initial reply. It simply
>>dealt with the fastest type of hard drive and interface. Nothing more.
>>What's your interest in the matter?
>
> I'm just wondering why you are recommending server drives to someone who
> was content with IDE, instead of the logical next step up.
Because he's ChuckNonSequitard. His answer didn't even address the OP's
question.
Q. Does the faster transfer rate of an 80 wy cable not work with a DVD
drive?
A. If you want higher bandwidth from your drives, Go SCSI.
ChuckNonSequitard, heheh. :-)
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⁂ Beware the 24hoursupport tards:
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chuckcar
I've known quite a few people who've had SCSI drives and interfaces in
their home computers. The fact that it supports high speed and multiple
drives and doesn't cost thousands of dollars makes that quite likely.
rf
"chuckcar" <ch...@nil.car> wrote in message
And the OP's question was about the speed of a DVD drive. Its you, and only
you, dipstick, who is talking about hard disks, SCSI or not.
And where is the OP going to find a SCSI DVD drive?
Aardvark
> And where is the OP going to find a SCSI DVD drive?
I've got one on this machine, connected to an internal SCSI card.
Externally I have a HP Surestore 24x6 tape drive for backup connected to
the same card.
--
Algy met a bear
The bear was bulgy
The bulge was Algy
ian field
"chuckcar" <ch...@nil.car> wrote in message
It had sat on the shelf still sealed in its anti-static bag and original
packaging for over a year.
Maplin are well known for trying very hard to wriggle out of returns at the
best of times!
ian field
"rf" <r...@z.invalid> wrote in message
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I'd have thought even Apple kept up with the times and supply DVD-RW drives,
although they probably cost 5x anywhere else!
chuckcar
They did in the foolup models to the original MAC I think. I don't follow
Apple that much so I don't know if that still currently true. I greatly
lament the death of the 68x processor family however.
> I'd have thought even Apple kept up with the times and supply DVD-RW
> drives, although they probably cost 5x anywhere else!
>
It cost more than *consumer* computer because they're built properly
without sacrificing quality for retail price. There are plenty of other
computers (PC clones) that are in their price market. In particular look at
the enterprise and commercial product lines. Consumer computers are named
that for more than one meaning of that word after all - quantity.