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Jules Richardson

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Mar 24, 2010, 10:09:39 AM3/24/10
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We've got a little Belkin router (F5D7231-4, v1) on the home LAN and a
while back it started losing web connectivity every so often - except
that "every so often" is now a couple of times a day.

Power-cycling it fixes it every time. It seems to *only* be HTTP that's
affected, though; I can still access other services (news, email etc.)
just fine (although I'm not sure if it's specifically port 80 that gets
blocked, or if HTTP on any port is affected).

Has anyone else seen this? Is it likely new router time (although it
seems like an odd problem if hardware-related given that all non-web
stuff keeps working - it "smells" more like a software issue or some
strange interaction between the router and ISP)

My router's on firmware 4.05.03 - latest from Belkin seems to be 4.07.07,
but their website doesn't tell me what fixes are covered by the update
(so before updating it'd be nice to first hear from someone that an
update solved this specific problem) and I need to create an account with
them before they'll let me email them (duh!).

cheers

Jules

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Mar 24, 2010, 11:02:40 AM3/24/10
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Jules Richardson <jules.richa...@gmail.com> clouded the
waters of pure thought with
news:hod6f2$6gj$1...@news.eternal-september.org:

Read the following for klews:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/22260-43-wireless-router-continuously-drops-connection

Belkins might be unreliable...

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G. Morgan

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Mar 24, 2010, 1:53:38 PM3/24/10
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Jules Richardson <jules.richa...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Has anyone else seen this?

Yep. With Belkin and D-Link. They just go "bad".


> Is it likely new router time

Probably. Before you go buy a new one (I like Linksys) try installing dd-wrt
firmware for shits & giggles. You may end up with a high-end router with a full
feature set for free!

Your model # is supported:
http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database

Mike Easter

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Mar 24, 2010, 2:13:39 PM3/24/10
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Jules Richardson wrote:
> We've got a little Belkin router (F5D7231-4, v1) on the home LAN and a
> while back it started losing web connectivity every so often - except
> that "every so often" is now a couple of times a day.
>
> Power-cycling it fixes it every time.

Weird router behavior can often be fixed by flashing the firmware - that
includes even if you have the newest firmware. You 'reflash' it.

Caveat: any time you do something like flashing firmware, you can end
up with a brick.

The advanced maneuver suggested of turning the Belkin into dd-wrt seems
a little frisky for my taste, unless the dd-wrt mode had something I
really really wanted. But it is definitely listed in the dd-wrt table.


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Mike Easter

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Mar 24, 2010, 4:22:18 PM3/24/10
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G. Morgan wrote:

> try installing dd-wrt
> firmware for shits & giggles. You may end up with a high-end router with a full
> feature set for free!

I was in Fry's yesterday buying some stuff on sale. While I was there
getting the stuff I came after, I considered that I always like to have
a spare router (or *another* spare) if I can find a good deal on one
such as a rebate sale.

They didn't have any 'special' sales or rebates, but they did have a
Fry's badged wireless-G at regular price $20 which I felt was a good
deal so I bought it. Just today I was looking at its docs and internal
page, and it is well documented, a good webpage inside and tons of features.

While I was looking around the openwrt and dd-wrt sites about this
Belkin issue, I discovered that the little Fry's had indeed been hacked
into an openwrt by 'excited' participants in the forum.

The Fry's used to be a D-Link, has firmware available there, and it has
a known Atheros chipset that is quite hackable and upgradeable. Fry's
website also has good support for it.

One hacker has bought a number of them to juice up with firmware.

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chuckcar

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Mar 24, 2010, 4:49:35 PM3/24/10
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Jules Richardson <jules.richa...@gmail.com> wrote in
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Does this have anything to do with wireless ports? I notice it's
actually *called* a wireless router. Wireless is unreliable in locations
where there are walls as it uses microwave frequencies. You know like
they use for RADAR and TV rainfall maps. It bounces off of rain and
planes, so do you think solid walls are going to be easier? No.

Another possibility is that you somehow got some malware that then
messed up the ROM on the router. This would be fixed by scanning *all*
files on your hard drives on all connected computers with a *just*
updated anti=malware suite - meaning both anti-virus/trojan and
anti-spyware.

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Mar 24, 2010, 5:21:25 PM3/24/10
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chucktard wrote:

> Does this have anything to do with

a reasonable answer?

Geez, I knew you were going to reply with something silly, but you've
nearly outdone yourself with this one, Chuktard.

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Peter Foldes

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Mar 24, 2010, 5:32:23 PM3/24/10
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Jules

Just reset the router. Then let us know how you made out

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G. Morgan

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Mar 25, 2010, 12:31:54 AM3/25/10
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chuckcar <ch...@nil.car> wrote:

>Another possibility is that you somehow got some malware that then
>messed up the ROM on the router. This would be fixed by scanning *all*
>files on your hard drives on all connected computers with a *just*
>updated anti=malware suite - meaning both anti-virus/trojan and
>anti-spyware.

There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that is correct in the above statement.

You just make shit up and post it as fact...

Cite the "information" you just posted above. Just show me ONE link -anywhere-
in cyberspace that confirms that malware can infect the router's operation.

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The Old Sourdough

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Mar 25, 2010, 5:46:03 AM3/25/10
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chuckcar mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
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> Another possibility is that you somehow got some malware that then
> messed up the ROM on the router. This would be fixed by scanning *all*
> files on your hard drives on all connected computers with a *just*
> updated anti=malware suite - meaning both anti-virus/trojan and
> anti-spyware.

<Boggle> <Double boggle> BWAAAHHAAAAHAAAA!!!!!

(I am rendered speechless by the above)


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Mar 25, 2010, 8:21:16 AM3/25/10
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"chuckcar" <ch...@nil.car> wrote in message
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> Jules Richardson <jules.richa...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:hod6f2$6gj$1...@news.eternal-september.org:

> Does this have anything to do with wireless ports? I notice it's


> actually *called* a wireless router. Wireless is unreliable in locations
> where there are walls as it uses microwave frequencies. You know like
> they use for RADAR and TV rainfall maps. It bounces off of rain and
> planes, so do you think solid walls are going to be easier? No.
>
> Another possibility is that you somehow got some malware that then
> messed up the ROM on the router. This would be fixed by scanning *all*
> files on your hard drives on all connected computers with a *just*
> updated anti=malware suite - meaning both anti-virus/trojan and
> anti-spyware.

Chucktard, are you pushing this information out of your arse?

If so then you really nead get some help. Your arse is broken.


chuckcar

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Mar 25, 2010, 8:02:45 PM3/25/10
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G. Morgan <usenet...@gawab.com> wrote in
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Malware re-writing EEPROMs/EAPROMs on computer hardware has been in the news for
quite a while now. You not noticing or remembering it aside.

G. Morgan

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Mar 25, 2010, 11:29:55 PM3/25/10
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chuckcar <ch...@nil.car> wrote:

>Malware re-writing EEPROMs/EAPROMs on computer hardware has been in the news for
>quite a while now. You not noticing or remembering it aside.

You were asked to provide a citation. What's wrong, can't find one?

The Old Sourdough

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Mar 26, 2010, 5:37:02 AM3/26/10
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G Morgan mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
> chuckcar <ch...@nil.car> wrote:

And then a cite to support the contention that fixing problems on
ones hard drives will fix malware on a router.

G. Morgan

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Mar 26, 2010, 7:52:15 PM3/26/10
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The Old Sourdough <sen...@all.times> wrote:

>
>>>Malware re-writing EEPROMs/EAPROMs on computer hardware has been in the news for
>>>quite a while now. You not noticing or remembering it aside.
>
>> You were asked to provide a citation. What's wrong, can't find one?
>
>And then a cite to support the contention that fixing problems on
>ones hard drives will fix malware on a router

Let's see if he just disappears again.

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