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BurfordTJustice
May 27, 2012, 5:25:57 AM5/27/12
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30 North Korean officials involved in South talks die 'in traffic accidents'
Thirty officials of the North Korean regime who were involved in talks with
South Korea have been executed or died in "staged traffic accidents,"
according to a human rights report.
In its annual study, Amnesty International claimed that in addition to the
30 who died in purges last year, a further 200 were rounded up in January
this year by the State Security Agency as Pyongyang carried out the transfer
of power from Kim Jong-il, who died of an apparent heart attack in December,
and his 29-year-old son, Kim Jong-un.
Of those 200, Amnesty said, some were apparently executed and the remainder
were sent to political prison camps. The gulag system presently contains an
estimated 200,000 people in "horrific conditions," the group said.
North Korea has a habit of executing bureaucrats who are perceived to have
failed the regime, even though they are often merely carrying out the orders
of higher-ranking officials or members of the ruling family.
In 2010, Pak Nam-gi, the former head of the finance department of the
Workers' Party, was reportedly executed by firing squad for the catastrophic
attempt to reform the impoverished nation's currency. The result was rampant
inflation and food shortages became even more acute.
The 30 men executed for failing to improve Pyongyang's ties with Seoul are
considered scapegoats for the new low point in inter-Korean ties.
Their task would have been made immeasurably more difficult given North
Korea's insistence with pushing ahead with its development of nuclear
weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles.
In spite of universal condemnation of its failed attempt to launch what
Pyongyang claimed was a rocket to put a satellite into orbit in April, North
Korea appears to be putting the finishing touches to a test detonation of a
nuclear device.
Kim Min-seok, a spokesman for South Korea's Ministry of Defence, said on
Thursday that intelligence reports indicate the North has completed its
technical preparations to carry out the long-awaited test and that it could
go ahead at any time.
Satellite images of the Punggye-ri site and other data show that the tunnel
that had been excavated for the test has been refilled, indicating that the
nuclear device has been put in place.
There is speculation that the test may be timed to coincide with the
Memorial Day national holiday in the United States, which falls in Monday.
"The North Korean regime is hell-bent on being a belligerent actor," said
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, chair of the US House Foreign Affairs Committee, during
a visit to Seoul with a congressional delegation. "And I think that on
holidays or sad commemorations like Memorial Day weekend is when the
leadership tries to provoke the democratic allies into action."
Thirty officials of the North Korean regime who were involved in talks with
South Korea have been executed or died in "staged traffic accidents,"
according to a human rights report.
In its annual study, Amnesty International claimed that in addition to the
30 who died in purges last year, a further 200 were rounded up in January
this year by the State Security Agency as Pyongyang carried out the transfer
of power from Kim Jong-il, who died of an apparent heart attack in December,
and his 29-year-old son, Kim Jong-un.
Of those 200, Amnesty said, some were apparently executed and the remainder
were sent to political prison camps. The gulag system presently contains an
estimated 200,000 people in "horrific conditions," the group said.
North Korea has a habit of executing bureaucrats who are perceived to have
failed the regime, even though they are often merely carrying out the orders
of higher-ranking officials or members of the ruling family.
In 2010, Pak Nam-gi, the former head of the finance department of the
Workers' Party, was reportedly executed by firing squad for the catastrophic
attempt to reform the impoverished nation's currency. The result was rampant
inflation and food shortages became even more acute.
The 30 men executed for failing to improve Pyongyang's ties with Seoul are
considered scapegoats for the new low point in inter-Korean ties.
Their task would have been made immeasurably more difficult given North
Korea's insistence with pushing ahead with its development of nuclear
weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles.
In spite of universal condemnation of its failed attempt to launch what
Pyongyang claimed was a rocket to put a satellite into orbit in April, North
Korea appears to be putting the finishing touches to a test detonation of a
nuclear device.
Kim Min-seok, a spokesman for South Korea's Ministry of Defence, said on
Thursday that intelligence reports indicate the North has completed its
technical preparations to carry out the long-awaited test and that it could
go ahead at any time.
Satellite images of the Punggye-ri site and other data show that the tunnel
that had been excavated for the test has been refilled, indicating that the
nuclear device has been put in place.
There is speculation that the test may be timed to coincide with the
Memorial Day national holiday in the United States, which falls in Monday.
"The North Korean regime is hell-bent on being a belligerent actor," said
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, chair of the US House Foreign Affairs Committee, during
a visit to Seoul with a congressional delegation. "And I think that on
holidays or sad commemorations like Memorial Day weekend is when the
leadership tries to provoke the democratic allies into action."
Ferd Berfle
May 27, 2012, 9:23:49 AM5/27/12
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Andy Wainwright
May 27, 2012, 4:26:04 PM5/27/12
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However, I have similar issues with US-style capitalism in that foreign
policy- who our national "friends" and "enemies" are- based around the
business and family interests of the super rich, instead of human
rights, open government and environmental protection.
If the US treated such as Saudi Arabia with the same disdain as North
Korea, Cuba and Afghanistan, we'd have a more peaceful and lawful world.
At least the Cubans and Koreans tend to keep themselves to themselves,
they haven't the cash these days to fund fellow commies , whereas the
rich but repressive states use their money abroad to further their *even
worse* than communist agendas.
Tom Keske
May 27, 2012, 10:13:08 PM5/27/12
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">
> I have many issues with socialism, particularly communism.
>
> However, I have similar issues with US-style capitalism in that foreign
> policy- who our national "friends" and "enemies" are- based around the
> business and family interests of the super rich, instead of human rights,
> open government and environmental protection.
>
> If the US treated such as Saudi Arabia with the same disdain as North
> Korea, Cuba and Afghanistan, we'd have a more peaceful and lawful world.
>
> At least the Cubans and Koreans tend to keep themselves to themselves,
> they haven't the cash these days to fund fellow commies , whereas the rich
> but repressive states use their money abroad to further their *even worse*
> than communist agendas.
as communism?
Books have probably been written. With insight, can answer in about 7
words.
I'll give you a chance to think by inserting some blank lines.
Scroll down to read answer.
In 7 words or less: "Decent living standards for ordinary working people".
Will any or all specific outcomes aside, that simple phrase is the
essence of what communism really, originally, was all about.
If that dream ever went astray, well so did American capitalism.
If that condition is met, the appeal of communist revolutionary
fervor would be minimized. If that condition is not met, probably
not all the CIA propaganda or Cointelpro spying and dirty tricks
could forever suppress the tide of discontented masses. Call it
communism or some other new word, yet to be coined, it would
be the same battle and same theme.
Do you see the irony that by containing communism in the
only real, effective way that is possible, you would be satisfying
its basic goal, by providing something that would seem to
American sensibilities like the motherhood and apple-pie
promises that any politician might be expected to make?
Such things as communist revolutions happen when the
politicians don't really mean it.
Food for thought, for ideological purists.
ptk...@comcast.net
The Planetary Bill of Rights Project
May 28, 2012, 1:40:12 AM5/28/12
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"Tom Keske" <ptk...@comcast.net> wrote :
>
> ">
>> I have many issues with socialism, particularly communism.
>>
>> However, I have similar issues with US-style capitalism in that foreign
>> policy- who our national "friends" and "enemies" are- based around the
>> business and family interests of the super rich, instead of human
>> rights, open government and environmental protection.
>>
>> If the US treated such as Saudi Arabia with the same disdain as North
>> Korea, Cuba and Afghanistan, we'd have a more peaceful and lawful
>> world.
>>
>> At least the Cubans and Koreans tend to keep themselves to themselves,
>> they haven't the cash these days to fund fellow commies , whereas the
>> rich but repressive states use their money abroad to further their
>> *even worse* than communist agendas.
>
> What do you suppose would be the best of way of preventing such things
> as communism?
>
> Books have probably been written. With insight, can answer in about 7
> words.
>
> I'll give you a chance to think by inserting some blank lines.
> Scroll down to read answer.
http://www.PlanetaryBillOfRights.org/
> In 7 words or less: "Decent living standards for ordinary working
> people".
Oh? So avoid Communism by having Socialism?
"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the
means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men
by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder
and suicide." -- Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main
Weapons"
From an acquaintance:
When I was in the 8th grade and the teachers taught American
exceptionalism, I had a history teacher that said socialism and communism
are basically the same thing, except communism uses a firing squad!
> Will any or all specific outcomes aside, that simple phrase is the
> essence of what communism really, originally, was all about.
>
> If that dream ever went astray, well so did American capitalism.
NO, capitalism is being strangled by socialism and cronyism.
--
Will you have a better life under Socialism
( or any form of forced-collectivism ),
or with freedom, self-ownership and personal responsibility?
Peace, freedom and prosperity are within easy reach.
From the headquarters of
The Planetary Bill of Rights Project
http://www.planetarybillofrights.org/
http://tinyurl.com/45wbn6v
>
> ">
>> I have many issues with socialism, particularly communism.
>>
>> However, I have similar issues with US-style capitalism in that foreign
>> policy- who our national "friends" and "enemies" are- based around the
>> business and family interests of the super rich, instead of human
>> rights, open government and environmental protection.
>>
>> If the US treated such as Saudi Arabia with the same disdain as North
>> Korea, Cuba and Afghanistan, we'd have a more peaceful and lawful
>> world.
>>
>> At least the Cubans and Koreans tend to keep themselves to themselves,
>> they haven't the cash these days to fund fellow commies , whereas the
>> rich but repressive states use their money abroad to further their
>> *even worse* than communist agendas.
>
> What do you suppose would be the best of way of preventing such things
> as communism?
>
> Books have probably been written. With insight, can answer in about 7
> words.
>
> I'll give you a chance to think by inserting some blank lines.
> Scroll down to read answer.
> In 7 words or less: "Decent living standards for ordinary working
> people".
"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the
means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men
by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder
and suicide." -- Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main
Weapons"
From an acquaintance:
When I was in the 8th grade and the teachers taught American
exceptionalism, I had a history teacher that said socialism and communism
are basically the same thing, except communism uses a firing squad!
> Will any or all specific outcomes aside, that simple phrase is the
> essence of what communism really, originally, was all about.
>
> If that dream ever went astray, well so did American capitalism.
--
Will you have a better life under Socialism
( or any form of forced-collectivism ),
or with freedom, self-ownership and personal responsibility?
Peace, freedom and prosperity are within easy reach.
From the headquarters of
The Planetary Bill of Rights Project
http://www.planetarybillofrights.org/
http://tinyurl.com/45wbn6v
Ferd Berfle
May 28, 2012, 7:11:24 AM5/28/12
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- P.J. O'Rourke
Tom Keske
May 28, 2012, 1:56:32 PM5/28/12
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> NO, capitalism is being strangled by socialism and cronyism.
>
>
>
that were handing out mortgages like candy-corn
in pure, mindless greed, too dumb and happy to realize
that the real estate bubble could not go on forever?
Like the Iraq war profiteering that had hundreds of
thousands of civilian casualities as collateral damage, and sapped
$3.7 trillion from the economy? Could have paid Social
Security for an entire generation, but now of course, the
same right-wing war-mongers try to blame liberals for
being unrealistic and call Social Security a "Ponzi Scheme".
Like the "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" philosophy that
shrank a once-great industrial city to less than half
its size of 60 years ago? But hey, financier Mitt Romney
did his part. His wife supported them by buying two
Cadlliacs. Has a car elevator at his mansion. Could
use it for oil changes, but I doubt that he does his own.
Like the GOP, in-your-face, "Drill, Baby, Drill" philosophy
that spawned the destruction of most the the Gulf of Mexico,
that lard-assed Rush Limbaugh then wanted to blame on
environmentalists?
Unregulated capitalism is a philosophy that "Greed is Good",
but it is more like an unregulated Deadly Sin. What you
are seeing in America is what happens when greed, power-lust,
and hate conjoin in an unregulated debacle.
What America needs is a good "Chairman Mao" to
take the right-wing ideological, bullshit artists who gush
more toxic vomit than the Deep Horizon oil rig on
a bad day, and literally tear some of these bastards to pieces.
ptk...@comcast.net
meerkat
May 28, 2012, 2:35:40 PM5/28/12
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DVH
May 28, 2012, 2:35:26 PM5/28/12
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> When I was in the 8th grade and the teachers taught American
> exceptionalism, I had a history teacher that said socialism and communism
> are basically the same thing, except communism uses a firing squad!
A socialist is a communist without a Kalashnikov.
> exceptionalism, I had a history teacher that said socialism and communism
> are basically the same thing, except communism uses a firing squad!
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