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richard

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Jan 1, 2010, 1:46:55 AM1/1/10
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Ah yes, as if a scene from a hollywood movie, the police are called out in
droves, SWAT armed to the teeth with every weapon in the force, and then
some. Bank robbers holding up a bank with hostages? Nope. Bomb threat with
real bomb and the bomber at the scene? Nope.

Would you believe a single fruitcake ninja with two swords holding the cops
at bay? Yep. Cops everywhere, no possible means of escape. He's backed up
against a building wall a few feet away from the street.

Ah yes, the old fashioned mexican stand off. Five hundred guns against two
swords. Yo dude, you never take swords to a gun fight.

Do the cops simply move in slowly and take charge? Hell no. They attack
with rubber bullets. No effect since the dude is also obviously well padded
better than football players. Ninja swings his swords around a few times
every few minutes. Cops fire rubber bullets. They try tear gas. No effect.
They try CO2 with no effect. Finally, they dose em royally with high
pressure water and pin him down with a ladder and a wild animal catcher.

Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
Just move in on the fool with 10 cops shoulder to shoulder. No weapons.
When the asshole swings his sword, two cops on the other side he's swinging
towards, go down and grab his feet.

Or, you could use a set of mexican "bolos". Not sure if that's what they
are called, but they are a set of three short ropes, with a ball attached
at one end. The other end is attached to the other two ropes. You swing
them around a bit for speed, aim, and release. The result is your target is
entrapped in the ropes as the ropes spin around the legs.

There are a dozen or more safe ways to have ended this stupid affair in a
matter of minutes without any unneccesary force. But the damn stupid
ignorant LA police department refuses to employ these methods. They would
prefer to make it a public spectacle like they did for O J Simpson.

Aardvark

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Jan 1, 2010, 7:39:11 AM1/1/10
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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:46:55 -0700, richard wrote:

> SNIP

They're called 'bolas' and are apparently used by gauchos in South America.

The video clip you're referring to was of an incident that happened years
ago.

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Jan 1, 2010, 7:42:14 AM1/1/10
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richard wrote:

> Ah yes, as if a scene from a hollywood movie,

Maybe it was. Since you don't give any reference, this is probably just
a story you wrote, correct?

> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?

It pays to be cautious, especially if you don't want to kill the guy.
You wouldn't want to get close unless you had your own katana, and were
good with it.

Can you read? Try this novel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_47th_Samurai
(though I recommend starting with the beginning of the series)

> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.

Lawd help us if you're ever in charge!

> Or, you could use a set of mexican "bolos". Not sure if that's what
> they are called, but they are a set of three short ropes, with a ball
> attached at one end. The other end is attached to the other two
> ropes. You swing them around a bit for speed, aim, and release. The
> result is your target is entrapped in the ropes as the ropes spin
> around the legs.

They are called bolas, they originated in South America, and there are
three balls.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas

But there *should* be a BOLO for you.

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gonzo

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Jan 1, 2010, 11:52:43 AM1/1/10
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"richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> Ah yes, as if a scene from a hollywood movie, the police are called out in
> droves, SWAT armed to the teeth with every weapon in the force, and then
> some. Bank robbers holding up a bank with hostages? Nope. Bomb threat with
> real bomb and the bomber at the scene? Nope.
>
> Would you believe a single fruitcake ninja with two swords holding the
> cops
> at bay? Yep. Cops everywhere, no possible means of escape. He's backed up
> against a building wall a few feet away from the street.
>
> Ah yes, the old fashioned mexican stand off. Five hundred guns against two
> swords. Yo dude, you never take swords to a gun fight.
>
> Do the cops simply move in slowly and take charge? Hell no. They attack
> with rubber bullets. No effect since the dude is also obviously well
> padded
> better than football players. Ninja swings his swords around a few times
> every few minutes. Cops fire rubber bullets. They try tear gas. No effect.
> They try CO2 with no effect. Finally, they dose em royally with high
> pressure water and pin him down with a ladder and a wild animal catcher.
>
> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
> Just move in on the fool with 10 cops shoulder to shoulder. No weapons.
> When the asshole swings his sword, two cops on the other side he's
> swinging
> towards, go down and grab his feet.

Whoa! A sword like that can take an arm or head off. I would
just shoot the fucker. You would have to be stupid to get anywhere
near a looney with a sword.

thund3rstruck

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Jan 1, 2010, 12:24:08 PM1/1/10
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In case you don't know, sharp objects can hurt or kill. If you wanna
rush a lunatic who's carrying 2 swords, be my guest. Convincing the guy
to drop them or forcing him to drop them from a safe distance is the
safe way to go.

n0i

richard

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Jan 1, 2010, 3:21:43 PM1/1/10
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Then you've never seen Steven Segal in action. Mr. Ninja would be cuffed in
a flash with Segal around. First of all, I would highly doubt that is even
a true Samarai sword. The real ones are worth a million bucks. So his sword
ain't gonna have the ability a true katana does. A very big point in my
favor.

A nice big solid pipe or aluminum baseball bat would stop any threats of
the sword.

Another simple plan of capture: Use four police cruisers. One alongside the
wall of the building on either side of mr. ninja. Two coming in head on.
What's he gonna do? Chop the cars in two?

Like LA police don't have no martial experts on the force? Put them in
action with the asshole.

G. Morgan

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Jan 1, 2010, 3:29:53 PM1/1/10
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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:46:55 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

>Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
>With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.

So, in addition to your impeccable I.T. skills and truck driving
prowess, you're also an expert in police tactics? Wow, that is really
impressive.

Is there anything you *don't* know??

Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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Jan 1, 2010, 3:40:17 PM1/1/10
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richard wrote:

> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
> Just move in on the fool with 10 cops shoulder to shoulder. No weapons.
> When the asshole swings his sword, two cops on the other side he's swinging
> towards, go down and grab his feet.
>

In LA, if it was a person of color he would be dead. You ask any person
of color about the LA cops and the County sheriffs.

The Old Sourdough

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G Morgan mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

He's also an expert on martial arts, swordsmanship, and will
probably tell us he's responsible for launching Steven Segal
to stardom like he did Jerry Reed.

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The Old Sourdough wrote:
> G Morgan mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:46:55 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
>>> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
>
>> So, in addition to your impeccable I.T. skills and truck driving
>> prowess, you're also an expert in police tactics? Wow, that is really
>> impressive.
>
>> Is there anything you *don't* know??
>
> He's also an expert on martial arts, swordsmanship, and will
> probably tell us he's responsible for launching Steven Segal
> to stardom like he did Jerry Reed.
>

Protect you ass kissing lapdog protect.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Jan 1, 2010, 3:57:31 PM1/1/10
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richard wrote:

> Then you've never seen Steven Segal in action. Mr. Ninja would be
> cuffed in a flash with Segal around.

So now you tout a movie actor (a fat old one, at that) as your expert?
Sure, he's pretty good - in a choreographed movie fight.

> First of all, I would highly doubt that is even a true Samarai sword.
> The real ones are worth a million bucks.

A million? Maybe a sword that personally belonged to a 16th century
emperor.

> So his sword ain't gonna have the ability a true katana does. A very
> big point in my favor.

No point in your favor. You have no idea what even a cheap katana can
do, even in the hands of someone with only a little training.

Current bid: $25.49
<http://cgi.ebay.com/Handmade-Japanese-Sword-Samurai-Katana-2915B_W0QQitemZ270507635085QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3efb82f18d>

Check prices for good ones:
http://www.samurai-sword-shop.com/

> A nice big solid pipe or aluminum baseball bat would stop any threats of
> the sword.

You have no idea what even a cheap katana can do. By the time you got
your baseball bat moving, your body would be in two pieces, from left
shoulder to right waist.

> Another simple plan of capture: Use four police cruisers. One
> alongside the wall of the building on either side of mr. ninja. Two
> coming in head on. What's he gonna do? Chop the cars in two?

No, only the occupants of the cars.

> Like LA police don't have no martial experts on the force? Put them
> in action with the asshole.

I would doubt if the LAPD has any samurai on the force.

Stick to topics you know:
1. ... um .. er ..

Mike Yetto

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Jan 1, 2010, 4:03:30 PM1/1/10
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Bada bing richard <mem...@newsguy.com> bada bang:

> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:52:43 -0000, gonzo wrote:
>
>> "richard" <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> news:1tiri65k0mkoy$.wqqtued66qfb$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> Ah yes, as if a scene from a hollywood movie, the police are
>>> called out in droves, SWAT armed to the teeth with every
>>> weapon in the force, and then some. Bank robbers holding up a
>>> bank with hostages? Nope. Bomb threat with real bomb and the
>>> bomber at the scene? Nope.
>>>
>> Whoa! A sword like that can take an arm or head off. I would
>> just shoot the fucker. You would have to be stupid to get
>> anywhere near a looney with a sword.
>
> Then you've never seen Steven Segal in action. Mr. Ninja would
> be cuffed in a flash with Segal around.

Then the cops should have gotten drunk just as Jackie Chan did in
"The Legend of Drunken Master".

> First of all, I would highly doubt that is even a true Samarai
> sword. The real ones are worth a million bucks. So his sword
> ain't gonna have the ability a true katana does. A very big
> point in my favor.
>

A battle ready katana is closer to $250 - $350 a very small
puncture in your expertise.

> A nice big solid pipe or aluminum baseball bat would stop any
> threats of the sword.
>

Cops always carry pipes and aluminum baseball bats. Should they
carry chains and zip guns as well?

> Another simple plan of capture: Use four police cruisers. One
> alongside the wall of the building on either side of mr. ninja.
> Two coming in head on. What's he gonna do? Chop the cars in
> two?
>

Why the cars? If you aren't interested in a non-fatal solution
just open fire from a distance.

> Like LA police don't have no martial experts on the force? Put
> them in action with the asshole.

Why the martial arts duel? If you aren't interested in a
non-fatal solution just open fire from a distance.

Mike "as if a scene from a hollywood movie" Yetto
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In practice they are not.

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You're still really drunk from yesterday, arn't you?

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>
> You have no idea what even a cheap katana can do. By the time you got
> your baseball bat moving, your body would be in two pieces, from left
> shoulder to right waist.
>
Oh c'mon. The mythbusters did practicaly a whole episode of what a
decent "samurai" sword is capable of.

Seriously...

The Old Sourdough

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Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

Take a sedative and go back to sleep , Duh-ane. You're frothing again.

Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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The Old Sourdough wrote:
> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>>> G Morgan mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:46:55 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
>>>>> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
>>>> So, in addition to your impeccable I.T. skills and truck driving
>>>> prowess, you're also an expert in police tactics? Wow, that is really
>>>> impressive.
>>>> Is there anything you *don't* know??
>>> He's also an expert on martial arts, swordsmanship, and will
>>> probably tell us he's responsible for launching Steven Segal
>>> to stardom like he did Jerry Reed.
>>>
>
>> Protect you ass kissing lapdog protect.
>
> Take a sedative and go back to sleep , Duh-ane. You're frothing again.
>

Did the nurse let you off the kidney machine old man, change your old
man Pamper and you're frisky?

Old man, don't act like you got a dick anymore because you don't.

I knew you were an ass kisser, but little did I you are a super old
freak ass kissing everything.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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�n�hw��f wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> You have no idea what even a cheap katana can do. By the time you got
>> your baseball bat moving, your body would be in two pieces, from
>> left shoulder to right waist.
>>
> Oh c'mon. The mythbusters did practicaly a whole episode of what a
> decent "samurai" sword is capable of.

They probably hadn't read "The Eight Deadly Cuts of Miyamoto Musashi."

Is this the episode in question?
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2007/04/episode_78_ninja_myths_walking.html

Doesn't say anything about the sword's ability to slice a human body.

> Seriously...

Don't know. I don't watch Mythbusters.

Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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The Old Sourdough wrote:

<snipped>
<correction>

I knew you were an ass kisser, but little did I know, you are a super
old freak ass kissing everything. :)

~BD~

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Jan 1, 2010, 5:54:06 PM1/1/10
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How do you define "a person of color"?

(Maybe I should ask, instead, how does *one* define same?)

--
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Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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~BD~ wrote:
> On 01/01/2010 20:40, Old BadardDough is an old bastard. wrote:
>> richard wrote:
>>
>>> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
>>> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
>>> Just move in on the fool with 10 cops shoulder to shoulder. No weapons.
>>> When the asshole swings his sword, two cops on the other side he's
>>> swinging
>>> towards, go down and grab his feet.
>>
>> In LA, if it was a person of color he would be dead. You ask any
>> person of color about the LA cops and the County sheriffs.
>
> How do you define "a person of color"?
>
> (Maybe I should ask, instead, how does *one* define same?)
>

You ask a Mexican man in East LA or any Black Man in Watts about the LA
cops and LA County sheriffs and they would tell you a different story.
That person would be dead or beaten damn near to death. And you wouldn't
be talking about here.

~BD~

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Would the same apply to Asian folk too? What about 'Native Americans'?
Australians even? ;)

Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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~BD~ wrote:
> On 01/01/2010 23:16, Old BadardDough is an old bastard. wrote:
>> ~BD~ wrote:
>>> On 01/01/2010 20:40, Old BadardDough is an old bastard. wrote:
>>>> richard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
>>>>> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
>>>>> Just move in on the fool with 10 cops shoulder to shoulder. No
>>>>> weapons.
>>>>> When the asshole swings his sword, two cops on the other side he's
>>>>> swinging
>>>>> towards, go down and grab his feet.
>>>>
>>>> In LA, if it was a person of color he would be dead. You ask any
>>>> person of color about the LA cops and the County sheriffs.
>>>
>>> How do you define "a person of color"?
>>>
>>> (Maybe I should ask, instead, how does *one* define same?)
>>>
>>
>> You ask a Mexican man in East LA or any Black Man in Watts about the
>> LA cops and LA County sheriffs and they would tell you a different
>> story. That person would be dead or beaten damn near to death. And you
>> wouldn't be talking about here.
>


> Would the same apply to Asian folk too?

No way

> What about 'Native Americans'?

I don't think I ever saw a Native American in LA. :)

> Australians even? ;)
>
No way

DevilsPGD

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In message <hhltrb$2mq$1...@news.eternal-september.org> "Beauregard T.

Shagnasty" <a.non...@example.invalid> was claimed to have wrote:

>�n�hw��f wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> You have no idea what even a cheap katana can do. By the time you got
>>> your baseball bat moving, your body would be in two pieces, from
>>> left shoulder to right waist.
>>>
>> Oh c'mon. The mythbusters did practicaly a whole episode of what a
>> decent "samurai" sword is capable of.
>
>They probably hadn't read "The Eight Deadly Cuts of Miyamoto Musashi."
>
>Is this the episode in question?
>http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2007/04/episode_78_ninja_myths_walking.html
>
>Doesn't say anything about the sword's ability to slice a human body.

That's one of several sword related myths they've done. Read the
"Tests" section, showing how often their gel dummy ended up seriously
injured (hint: it's every time)

Whether your entire body is sliced through or not isn't relevant, you'd
be in the hospital, only the skill of the individual wielding the sword
and the availability of medical personnel would decide whether you're in
the upstairs or downstairs section of the hospital.

This is a perfect example of when a taser should be used: You have an
individual threatening harm to himself or others and they cannot be
safely approached via another method.

~BD~

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Jan 1, 2010, 6:58:54 PM1/1/10
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On 01/01/2010 23:37, Old BadardDough is an old bastard. wrote:
> Would the same apply to Asian folk too?
> No way
>
>> What about 'Native Americans'?
>
> I don't think I ever saw a Native American in LA. :)
>
>> Australians even? ;)
>>
> No way

Hahaha! OK - the cops are just a *little* biased then!

Thanks. :)

Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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~BD~ wrote:
> On 01/01/2010 23:37, Old BadardDough is an old bastard. wrote:
>> Would the same apply to Asian folk too?
>> No way
>>
>>> What about 'Native Americans'?
>>
>> I don't think I ever saw a Native American in LA. :)
>>
>>> Australians even? ;)
>>>
>> No way
>
> Hahaha! OK - the cops are just a *little* biased then!
>
> Thanks. :)
>

LA is the gang capital of the USA.

Aardvark

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:57:31 -0500, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

> your body would be in two pieces, from left shoulder to right waist.

So you're an Akira Kurosawa fan too?

nobody >

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thund3rstruck wrote:
> richard wrote:

his usual diatribe

>> They try CO2 with no effect. Finally, they dose em royally with high
>> pressure water and pin him down with a ladder and a wild animal catcher.
>>

A similar incident in Seattle a few years ago, the "hose job" was the
end of it. That action was lauded by the press and pretty much everyone
else as totally appropriate and ingenious.

> In case you don't know, sharp objects can hurt or kill. If you wanna
> rush a lunatic who's carrying 2 swords, be my guest. Convincing the guy
> to drop them or forcing him to drop them from a safe distance is the
> safe way to go.
>
> n0i

In the case of the Seattle "ninja", it was suspected that the man was
well-trained in katana battle. It was proved true later upon
investigation. There was a 1-foot diameter "practice post" in his back
yard, and many of his strokes had penetrated well over 6 inches.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Aardvark wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> your body would be in two pieces, from left shoulder to right waist.
>
> So you're an Akira Kurosawa fan too?

I had to look up the name. Film guy. No, my interest in swordsmanship
stems from taking fencing classes in college back in the early '60s.

thund3rstruck

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richard wrote:
> Then you've never seen Steven Segal in action. Mr. Ninja would be cuffed in
> a flash with Segal around. First of all, I would highly doubt that is even
> a true Samarai sword. The real ones are worth a million bucks. So his sword
> ain't gonna have the ability a true katana does. A very big point in my
> favor.
>
> A nice big solid pipe or aluminum baseball bat would stop any threats of
> the sword.
>
> Another simple plan of capture: Use four police cruisers. One alongside the
> wall of the building on either side of mr. ninja. Two coming in head on.
> What's he gonna do? Chop the cars in two?
>
> Like LA police don't have no martial experts on the force? Put them in
> action with the asshole.

You're comparing a real life scenario to a Segal movie? d00d, movies
are entertainment and usually do not mimic real life...

n0i

thund3rstruck

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Jan 1, 2010, 9:57:59 PM1/1/10
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There was a similar incident with a similar ending at UK in
Lexington...in the late 80's. (87? 88?)

n0i

Aardvark

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:53:15 -0500, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

> Aardvark wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> your body would be in two pieces, from left shoulder to right waist.
>>
>> So you're an Akira Kurosawa fan too?
>
> I had to look up the name. Film guy.

In one of his films (I can't remember which), two samurai are standing toe
to toe. One moves slightly. The other swiftly draws his katana and swipes
it. Slowly the top half of the other guys body slides off the bottom half
on a line from shoulder to waist.

That's why I thought you knew Kurosawa.

Clint Eastwoods spaghetti westerns and 'The Magnificent Seven' are based
on some of his films. And Bruce Willis' 'Last Man Standing'.

> No, my interest in swordsmanship
> stems from taking fencing classes in college back in the early '60s.

Fucked about with foils, sabres and epees in my younger days too.

Aardvark

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'Raid on Entebbe' ?

Mike Yetto

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Bada bing Aardvark <aard...@youllnever.know> bada bang:

> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:53:15 -0500, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> Aardvark wrote:
>>
>>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> your body would be in two pieces, from left shoulder to right waist.
>>>
>>> So you're an Akira Kurosawa fan too?
>>
>> I had to look up the name. Film guy.
>
> In one of his films (I can't remember which), two samurai are standing toe
> to toe. One moves slightly. The other swiftly draws his katana and swipes
> it. Slowly the top half of the other guys body slides off the bottom half
> on a line from shoulder to waist.
>

"The Seven Samurai"

> That's why I thought you knew Kurosawa.
>
> Clint Eastwoods spaghetti westerns and 'The Magnificent Seven' are based
> on some of his films. And Bruce Willis' 'Last Man Standing'.
>

"The Seven Samurai" => "The Magnificent Seven"
"Yojimbo" => "For a Fist-Full of Dollars"

Both with Toshiro Mifune

>> No, my interest in swordsmanship
>> stems from taking fencing classes in college back in the early '60s.
>
> Fucked about with foils, sabres and epees in my younger days too.
>

Mike "what, no dueling scar?" Yetto

thund3rstruck

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Aardvark wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:52:06 -0500, thund3rstruck wrote:
>
>> richard wrote:
>>> Then you've never seen Steven Segal in action. Mr. Ninja would be
>>> cuffed in a flash with Segal around. First of all, I would highly doubt
>>> that is even a true Samarai sword. The real ones are worth a million
>>> bucks. So his sword ain't gonna have the ability a true katana does. A
>>> very big point in my favor.
>>>
>>> A nice big solid pipe or aluminum baseball bat would stop any threats
>>> of the sword.
>>>
>>> Another simple plan of capture: Use four police cruisers. One alongside
>>> the wall of the building on either side of mr. ninja. Two coming in
>>> head on. What's he gonna do? Chop the cars in two?
>>>
>>> Like LA police don't have no martial experts on the force? Put them in
>>> action with the asshole.
>> You're comparing a real life scenario to a Segal movie? d00d, movies
>> are entertainment and usually do not mimic real life...
>>
>> n0i
>
> 'Raid on Entebbe' ?

"usually do not mimic real life..."

Good movie, though.


n0i

G. Morgan

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:42:07 -0600, The Old Sourdough
<sen...@all.times> wrote:

>He's also an expert on martial arts, swordsmanship, and will
>probably tell us he's responsible for launching Steven Segal
>to stardom like he did Jerry Reed.

I would expect nothing less. We (tinw) should be proud to have him
grace us with his presence here!

Aardvark

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'Gorillas in the Mist'? 'Dog Day Afternoon'? 'Silkwood'?

Jus' wundrin.

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:41:33 -0800, Evan Platt
<ev...@theobvious.espphotography.com> wrote:

>"don't have no?"
>
>I'll take 3rd grade education for $600 please Alex.

Ouch! :)

NormanM

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On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:46:55 -0700, richard wrote:

> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?

Yes, but ...

Yes. A man with a sword is mortally dangerous to approach using anything
less than lethal force.

But they have to try non-lethal force to control the situation because use
of lethal force will bring heaps of burning coals down on their heads for
not trying to control the situation with non-lethal force.

The "Indiana Jones" approach to sword wielding miscreants disturbs the
genteel leftish folks greatly. Lethal force is only to be used on the krazy
right.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

NormanM

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On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:21:43 -0700, richard wrote:

> Then you've never seen Steven Segal in action. Mr. Ninja would be cuffed in
> a flash with Segal around.

I have never heard an expert in unarmed combat suggest that he could
apprehend, and subdue a man with an edged weapon without suffering cuts.
Even using an edged weapon of your own, you'd have to be much better than
your opponent to have a chance. And chance is luck; you don't want to rely
on luck in such a situation.

> First of all, I would highly doubt that is even a true Samarai sword. The
> real ones are worth a million bucks. So his sword ain't gonna have the
> ability a true katana does. A very big point in my favor.

Not. There are experts in Japan capable of fabricating a replica katana,
every bit as capable of a Samurai sword. You don't need an ancient, original
Samurai katana to accomplish what a modern, well made replica katana can do.

> A nice big solid pipe or aluminum baseball bat would stop any threats of
> the sword.

Maybe, maybe not. Most experts of the martial arts wouldn't suggest it, if
there are alternatives. Indian Jones carried an effective alternative.

> Another simple plan of capture: Use four police cruisers. One alongside the
> wall of the building on either side of mr. ninja. Two coming in head on.
> What's he gonna do? Chop the cars in two?

You ever try using cars to herd critters?

> Like LA police don't have no martial experts on the force? Put them in
> action with the asshole.

Martial arts experts are still prone to injury in approaching such a
miscreant. You either use stand off lethal force (Berettal M092, or shotgun,
or the like), and bring on the wrath of the weepy left, or you find a
non-lethal, stand off solution.

And most police officers I know, today, would rather try the non-lethal
solution before resorting to their firearms. If possible. Not because they
actually fear criticism: Most are truly more interested in helping people,
than hurting them.

NormanM

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:48:23 -0800, DevilsPGD wrote:

> This is a perfect example of when a taser should be used: You have an
> individual threatening harm to himself or others and they cannot be
> safely approached via another method.

Except that a taser will not work against a well-padded opponent. The taser
needs to launch a pair of barbs under the skin to be effective. Burying the
barbs in goose down, or cotton pads, would be wholly ineffective. And if the
opponent is wearing どう (dô), and たれ (tare), the barbs will just bounce off.

I am sure the police assessed the situation, and knew just what their tasers
were not capable of.

NormanM

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On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:29:53 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

> Is there anything you *don't* know??

The measure of the bounds of stupidity?

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Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
> The Old Sourdough wrote:

><snipped>
><correction>

> I knew you were an ass kisser, but little did I know, you are a super
> old freak ass kissing everything. :)

Shhh, Duh-ane. Go to sleep now, and in the morning everything will
be all better, when the nice men in the little white jackets bring
your breakfast.

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Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>>>> G Morgan mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:46:55 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>

>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Are these guys really that scared of a fruitcake with a sword?
>>>>>> With me in charge that guy would have been taken down in two minutes.
>>>>> So, in addition to your impeccable I.T. skills and truck driving
>>>>> prowess, you're also an expert in police tactics? Wow, that is really
>>>>> impressive.

>>>>> Is there anything you *don't* know??
>>>> He's also an expert on martial arts, swordsmanship, and will
>>>> probably tell us he's responsible for launching Steven Segal
>>>> to stardom like he did Jerry Reed.
>>>>
>>
>>> Protect you ass kissing lapdog protect.
>>
>> Take a sedative and go back to sleep , Duh-ane. You're frothing again.
>>

> Did the nurse let you off the kidney machine old man, change your old
> man Pamper and you're frisky?

> Old man, don't act like you got a dick anymore because you don't.

> I knew you were an ass kisser, but little did I you are a super old
> freak ass kissing everything.

You're frothing again, Duh-ane, and it's affecting your writing
skills.

Aardvark

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On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:59:33 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:21:08 -0700, ?n?hw??f <snuh...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>
>>>

>>> You have no idea what even a cheap katana can do. By the time you got

>>> your baseball bat moving, your body would be in two pieces, from left
>>> shoulder to right waist.
>>>

>>Oh c'mon. The mythbusters did practicaly a whole episode of what a
>>decent "samurai" sword is capable of.
>>

>>Seriously...
>
> There was a show devoted to military edged weapons of historical
> significance. The Katana was showcased in both its manufacturing and
> effectiveness. They used a target made of several large bamboo stalks
> and some other shit woven around it to a diameter of maybe 10 inches to
> simulate a human body. The dude swinging the sword chopped that fucker
> to the ground in about 5 seconds.
>
> As far as I know there is no such things as a "cheap Katana" especially
> when you know the process it takes to make one.

It takes about fourteen months from ordering a bespoke katana to its
completion and I wouldn't expect to have much change from about £5000 for
a medium quality one.

§nühw¤£f

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Meat Plow wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:21:08 -0700, ?n?hw??f
> <snuh...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>
>>> You have no idea what even a cheap katana can do. By the time you got
>>> your baseball bat moving, your body would be in two pieces, from left
>>> shoulder to right waist.
>>>
>> Oh c'mon. The mythbusters did practicaly a whole episode of what a
>> decent "samurai" sword is capable of.
>>
>> Seriously...
>
> There was a show devoted to military edged weapons of historical
> significance. The Katana was showcased in both its manufacturing and
> effectiveness. They used a target made of several large bamboo stalks
> and some other shit woven around it to a diameter of maybe 10 inches
> to simulate a human body. The dude swinging the sword chopped that
> fucker to the ground in about 5 seconds.
>
> As far as I know there is no such things as a "cheap Katana"
> especially when you know the process it takes to make one.

Uh huh. But the "human analog" they use is a pig carcass and no one
short of Grant's robots can slice thru a flesh, bone, cartilage, sinew
object of that size.
Seriously, its a fucking myth that *anyone* could slice through a human
body in that manner. Anatomy and physics prevent that from happening.
FYI
HTH

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The Old Sourdough wrote:
> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>
>> <snipped>
>> <correction>
>
>> I knew you were an ass kisser, but little did I know, you are a super
>> old freak ass kissing everything. :)
>
> Shhh, Duh-ane. Go to sleep now, and in the morning everything will
> be all better, when the nice men in the little white jackets bring
> your breakfast.
>

Did your nurse change your bag this morning? Do you soak your dentures
last night? Did you get washed-up this morning? What about your hair
piece? Was the oatmeal tasty in the breakfast room? Did they roll you
there or do you eat in your bed?

You already have one foot in the grave. It will be over for you soon
hang in there.

Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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I guess when old people are lying in the bed at the old folks home like
you and nothing works on you anymore, I guess everyone can be frosty
when you're on that buzzer, huh?

When you start hollering at night waking-up people and on that buzzer do
you get frosty looks?

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Ah, there you go, Duh-ane, trying to attribute all your physical
and mental maladies to someone else in an attempt to drag others
down to your pathetic level of sub-human existence. If it helps
you to sleep at night, you just go right ahead and do so.
BTW, how's the dishwashing gig a Big Bubba's going?

Old BadardDough is an old bastard.

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The Old Sourdough wrote:
> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>>> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>>>> <snipped>
>>>> <correction>
>>>> I knew you were an ass kisser, but little did I know, you are a super
>>>> old freak ass kissing everything. :)
>>> Shhh, Duh-ane. Go to sleep now, and in the morning everything will
>>> be all better, when the nice men in the little white jackets bring
>>> your breakfast.
>>>
>
>> Did your nurse change your bag this morning? Do you soak your dentures
>> last night? Did you get washed-up this morning? What about your hair
>> piece? Was the oatmeal tasty in the breakfast room? Did they roll you
>> there or do you eat in your bed?
>
>> You already have one foot in the grave. It will be over for you soon
>> hang in there.
>
> Ah, there you go, Duh-ane, trying to attribute all your physical
> and mental maladies to someone else in an attempt to drag others
> down to your pathetic level of sub-human existence. If it helps
> you to sleep at night, you just go right ahead and do so.
> BTW, how's the dishwashing gig a Big Bubba's going?
>

You don't need any help. You're already fucked that's why you reply,
responder.

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The Old Sourdough wrote:

> BTW, how's the dishwashing gig a Big Bubba's going?
>

All you could do for me is shine my shoes old man.

Below is from a MS forum I frequent. The compnay I work for pays me big
$$$$$$$$$$ old man for my expertise. They pay me well.

Now run along old man and see if you can take a piss.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

mazdotnet wrote:
> On Oct 31, 4:59 pm, "Mr. Arnold" <Arn...@Arnold.com> wrote:
>> mazdotnet wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've been doing web development for a long time using a single web
>>> application file (Classes in App_Code folder). However, now I'm
>>> starting a new web application and I want to break all the layers
>>> into
>>> different projects where at least Web Application is one project &
>>> a
>>> data access layer is another project.
>> It should be UI/BLL/DAL. The UI should not be in contact with the DAL.
>> If you want to come right down to it, the UI should not be in contact
>> with the BLL either.
>>
>>
>>
>>> My steps,
>>> I create an application in IIS 'e.g., MyAppSite'. (I like to use IIS)
>>> I create a new solution in VS2008 and add a class libary project
>>> 'DAL'
>>> <- is this correct?
>> You're missing some layers.
>>
>>> I add thehttp://localhost/MyAppSiteto the solution
>>> I change the output of my DAL to point tohttp://localhost/MyAppSite/Bin
>>> and everything works fine.
>>> My problem is debugging DAL project (I'm using LINQ to SQL). Is there
>>> way for me to set break points in DAL project and see what the values
>>> are? Without creating a unit test project for my .dbml file since it
>>> has so many methods?
>> You don't test the database model. You test the classes/objects of the
>> DAL that act upon the database model.
>>
>> Many call a functional test a unit test. They are two different types of
>> tests, which can be done with a test-harness.
>>
>> A unit test is about the simulation of object behavior within the domain
>> for expected results with pre-written test cases against the domain --
>> Domain Driven Design and Test Driven Design.
>>
>> A functional test is about testing functionality, whereas, testing
>> involves the database, filesystem, going across a network and special
>> configuration like a config file being used to perform the test.
>>
>>> I might want to add transactions later using
>>> stored procedure and my own C# class..etc, I want to test the output
>>> of the DAL (data access layer) to make sure it works (where I want to
>>> set breakpoints if needed)
>> You can put the classes/objects in the DAL into a transactional mode
>> against the Linq-2-SQL model by using the System.Transaction. You don't
>> need spocs.
>>
>> You need to find out how to use the ADO.NET Entity Framework an ORM
>> solution. You can start with Link-2-SQL but where you should position
>> yourself is using EF.
>>
>>> Can you please explain how I can do this? Am I taking the correct
>>> approach by creating a Class Project for my data access layer or I
>>> should be doing this differently?
>> UI
>> MVP or MVC
>> BLL
>> WCF
>> DAL
>> database Model
>>
>> And yes, you can set breakpoints in each one of the layers and single
>> step all the way from the UI to the DAL.
>>
>> You should get the book and get the DOFactory software and learn.
>>
>> http://headfirstlabs.com/books/hfdp/
>>
>> Dofactory is well worth the price if you're interested in how to
>> develop n-tiered solutions.
>>
>> Head First is in the dofactory.
>>
>> http://www.dofactory.com/Framework/Framework.aspx
>>
>> I'll give you the rest of my little take on things, which a is needed to
>> develop solid .NET solutions, particularly Web and SOA solutions.
>>
>> What is Object-oriented-programming?
>>
>> (OOP) is a programming paradigm that uses "objects" and their
>> interactions to design applications and computer programs.
>>
>> The key concepts of OOP are the following:
>>
>> Class
>> Object
>> Instance
>> Method
>> Message passing
>> Inheritance
>> Abstraction
>> Encapsulation
>> Polymorphism
>> Decoupling
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming
>>
>> No matter what development platform Java, .Net or others OOP is OOP.
>>
>> http://math.hws.edu/eck/cs124/downloads/OOP2_from_Univ_KwaZulu-Natal.pdf
>>
>> http://www.blackwasp.co.uk/ObjectOrientedConcepts.aspx
>>
>> What are design patterns?
>>
>> Design patterns are recurring solutions to software design problems you
>> find again and again in real-world application development. Patterns are
>> about design and interaction of objects, as well as providing a
>> communication platform concerning elegant, reusable solutions to
>> commonly encountered programming challenges.
>>
>> http://www.developer.com/design/article.php/1502691
>>
>> http://www.dofactory.com/Patterns/Patterns.aspx
>>
>>
<http://computerprogramming.suite101.com/article.cfm/patterns_and_anti...
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms954638.aspx
>>
>> http://www.designpatternsfor.net/Presentations.aspx?tid=3&cid=4
>>
>> What is Domain Driven Design?
>>
>> (DDD) is an approach to the design of software, based on the two
>> premises [1] that complex domain designs should be based on a model, and
>> that, for most software projects, the primary focus should be on the
>> domain and domain logic (as opposed to being the particular technology
>> used to implement the system).
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-driven_design
>>
>> What is Test Driven Design?
>>
>> (TDD) is a software development technique that uses short development
>> iterations based on pre-written test cases that define desired
>> improvements or new functions. Each iteration produces code necessary to
>> pass that iteration's tests. Finally, the programmer or team refactors
>> the code to accommodate changes. A key TDD concept is that preparing
>> tests before coding facilitates rapid feedback changes. Note that
>> test-driven development is a software design method, not merely a method
>> of testing.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test-driven_development
>>
>> http://weblogs.asp.net/rhurlbut/archive/2007/07/16/another-tdd-and-dd...
>>
>> What is Model-View-Controller?
>>
>> (MVC) is an architectural pattern used in software engineering.
>> Successful use of the pattern isolates business logic from user
>> interface considerations, resulting in an application where it is easier
>> to modify either the visual appearance of the application or the
>> underlying business rules without affecting the other. In MVC, the model
>> represents the information (the data) of the application; the view
>> corresponds to elements of the user interface such as text, checkbox
>> items, and so forth; and the controller manages the communication of
>> data and the business rules used to manipulate the data to and from the
>> model.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms978748.aspx
>>
>>
<http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/10/14/asp-net-mvc-framewo...>
>>
>> http://cristobal.baray.com/indiana/projects/mvc.html
>>
>> http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/29992/0/page/1
>>
>> What is Model-View-Presenter?
>>
>> MVP is a software pattern considered a derivative of the
>> Model-view-controller.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_View_Presenter
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc188690.aspx
>>
>> http://mrrask.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/model-view-presenter.pdf
>>
>> http://www.mvcsharp.org/Reworking_ASPNET_MVC_Store/Default.aspx
>>
>>
<http://www.codeproject.com/KB/aspnet/ModelViewPresenter1.aspx?fid=153...>
>>
>>
<http://codebetter.com/blogs/jeremy.miller/archive/2006/02/01/test-dri...>
>>
>> MODEL-VIEW-PRESENTER
>>
>> http://www.polymorphicpodcast.com/
>>
>> click 'Shows'
>>
>> click 'Design Patterns Bootcamp: Model View * Patterns*
>>
>> view parts 1-5
>>
>> What is Object Relational Mapping?
>>
>> (ORM) is a programming technique for converting data between
>> incompatible type systems in relational databases and object-oriented
>> programming languages. This creates, in effect, a "virtual object
>> database," which can be used from within the programming language. There
>> are both free and commercial packages available that perform
>> object-relational mapping, although some programmers opt to create their
>> own ORM tools.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-RM
>>
>> http://www.objectmatter.com/vbsf/docs/maptool/ormapping.html
>>
>> What is Language Integrated Query?
>>
>> LINQ is a Microsoft .NET Framework component that adds native data
>> querying capabilities to .NET languages.
>>
>> Microsoft LINQ defines a set of query operators that can be used to
>> query, project and filter data in arrays, enumerable classes, XML,
>> relational database, and third party data sources. While it allows any
>> data source to be queried, it requires that the data be encapsulated as
>> objects. So, if the data source does not natively store data as objects,
>> the data must be mapped to the object domain. Queries written using the
>> query operators are executed either by the LINQ query processing engine
>> or, via an extension mechanism, handed over to LINQ providers which
>> either implement a separate query processing engine or translate to a
>> different format to be executed on a separate data store (such as on a
>> database server as SQL queries). The results of a query are returned as
>> a collection of in-memory objects that can be enumerated using a
>> standard iterator function such as C#'s foreach.
>>
>> Many of the concepts that LINQ has introduced were originally tested in
>> Microsoft's C? research project. LINQ was released as a part of .NET
>> Framework 3.5 on November 19, 2007.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_Integrated_Query
>>
>> What is Linq-to-SQL?
>>
>> LINQ to SQL, a component of Visual Studio Code Name "Orcas", provides a
>> run-time infrastructure for managing relational data as objects without
>> losing the ability to query. It does this by translating
>> language-integrated queries into SQL for execution by the database, and
>> then translating the tabular results back into objects you define. Your
>> application is then free to manipulate the objects while LINQ to SQL
>> stays in the background tracking your changes automatically.
>>
>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb425822.aspx
>>
>> What is ADO.NET Entities framework?
>>
>> ADO.NET Entity Framework is an object-relational mapping (ORM) framework
>> for the .NET Framework. This framework is Microsoft's first ORM offering
>> for the .NET Framework. While Microsoft provided objects to manage the
>> Object-relational impedance mismatch (such as a DataSet).
>>
>> ADO.NET Entity Framework is included with .NET Framework 3.5 Service
>> Pack 1 and Visual Studio 2008 Service Pack 1, released on ...
>>
>> read more �
>
> Hi Arnold,
>
> Thank you for your detail email. Just to get me started with the
> concept (zooming out a little). Let's say I just want to create a
> class in a separate project to write a string to a file (that's it). I
> also want to use this in my web application (.cs file). So that I can
> instantiate the object and call the .write("my string"). Do I create
> unit tests in the project that's writing to the file first to make
> sure it's doing what it's suppose to do? Setting break points if
> needed? or is there a way to run my web application and set break
> points in my write to file project as well?

http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=126923

>
> Sorry if this sounds really stupid. I just want to start with this to
> see how it works and then I'll do more reading.
>
> So far, I've been defining classes in App_Code folder of the same web
> app. 'ex. ManageContacts'. Where I instantiate it in ex.
> default.aspx.cs to perform update, insert,...etc.. So on button
> click,
> ManageContacts mc = new ManageContacts();
> mc.Insert(record);
>
>

Your solution should have this as an example.

1) ClassLib project that has your ManageContacts.cs

2) FunctionalTest Project that has a project reference to the ClassLib
project that contains ManageContacts.cs, a reference to a Test framework
like MBUnit and a Test.cs in the project to test ManageContacts via the
Test framework.

3) With a Test.cs method doing a functional test against ManageContacts,
you test for expected results returned with an Assert statement.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms182517(VS.80).aspx

Either the expected results returned based on the Assert for the Test
passed or it failed.

The Assert may not come into play until other testing logic is ran to
test the results of what ManageContacts produced, like reading the file,
the file was there.

If the test failed, then you would go into debug mode and run the test
with breakpoints and single step into Test.cs test method right into
ManageContacts to debug ManageContacts.

You will make your code corrections and test again, until the test is
passed based on expected results.

4) You set project reference to the Classlib project that contains
ManageContacts.cs in the Web Project. You can do a functional test there
too by setting breakpoints and stepping into the code of the Web and
Classlib projects.

The FunctionalTest project is just another Classlib project with the
test framework.

The VS.sln for the solution will have three projects in it using project
reference from Web and FunctionalTest projects to the project that has
ManageContacts.cs

If the functional test has verified that the test of ManageContacts.cs
has passed based on expected results returned, then it should be
expected that results of ManageContacts.cs will be good in the Web
project without testing it, because it has already been tested for success.

That's what functional testing using a test-harness is about, which is
not a unit test as far as DDD and TDD is concerned using a test-harness.


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Evan Platt wrote:

> Keith <kilowa...@use-reply-to.invalid> wrote:
>> There is nothing like a truck driver to set the police procedures for
>> handling dangerous people with a sword.
>
> Former truck driver.
>
> He's now retired and the only truck driving he does is from motel to
> motel.

What an existence, what a life, eh? And we are his only friends...

--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul

§nühw¤£f

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Jan 3, 2010, 11:15:16 AM1/3/10
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Meat Plow wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 08:42:17 -0700, ?n?hw??f
> <snuh...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> A properly wielded Katana can indeed sever a torso. A proper Katana
> never needs sharpened. The edge is made so it cuts a swath through the
> target be it an analog or the real deal. After seeing the practice
> targets cut woefully by european military edge weapons and then the
> Katana's seemingly effortless way through, one can understand why this
> isn't a myth.

Humans lack sufficient power to get through the various substances &
tissues involved. Sorry, without a CITE (from you) I'm sticking with my
current fact-base.

The Old Sourdough

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:03:07 PM1/3/10
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Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
snip

> You don't need any help. You're already fucked that's why you reply,
> responder.

Ooooh, nice PKB, Duh-ane.

Valdez is coming.

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:20:30 PM1/3/10
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The Old Sourdough wrote:
> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
> snip
>
>> You don't need any help. You're already fucked that's why you reply,
>> responder.
>
> Ooooh, nice PKB, Duh-ane.
>

You tell them Valdez is coming.

The Old Sourdough

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:43:25 PM1/3/10
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Valdez is coming. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

Good. I hope he shows up on my doorstep. <Racks a round of 00 buck>

Valdez is coming.

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Jan 3, 2010, 12:50:56 PM1/3/10
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The Old Sourdough wrote:
> Valdez is coming. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>>> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>> snip
>>>
>>>> You don't need any help. You're already fucked that's why you reply,
>>>> responder.
>>> Ooooh, nice PKB, Duh-ane.
>>>
>
>> You tell them Valdez is coming.
>
> Good. I hope he shows up on my doorstep. <Racks a round of 00 buck>
>

You couldn't shine Valdez's shoes either nor Big Babba's. Big Babba
would turn you out too, old man -- a old fag about to die. :-P

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The Old Sourdough

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Jan 3, 2010, 3:41:12 PM1/3/10
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You're right. Shoeshining isn't a job for me. But I'm sure you're
quite good at it.

Valdez is coming.

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Jan 3, 2010, 4:03:46 PM1/3/10
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The Old Sourdough wrote:
> Valdez is coming. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>>> Valdez is coming. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>>> The Old Sourdough wrote:
>>>>> Old BadardDough is an old bastard. mumbled in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>>>>> snip
>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need any help. You're already fucked that's why you reply,
>>>>>> responder.
>>>>> Ooooh, nice PKB, Duh-ane.
>>>>>
>>>> You tell them Valdez is coming.
>>> Good. I hope he shows up on my doorstep. <Racks a round of 00 buck>
>>>
>
>> You couldn't shine Valdez's shoes either nor Big Babba's. Big Babba
>> would turn you out too, old man -- a old fag about to die. :-P
>
> You're right. Shoeshining isn't a job for me. But I'm sure you're
> quite good at it.
>
>

The only thing you're good at old clown is brown nosing that is your
job. Your buddy Big Babba No Balls Boaster is the master of the brown
nose attack. And you're the old prince at the brown nose attack.

You can have the last words again, because you're an old clown, you're
out here everyday doing some type of brown nosing, and you can't
shut-up. It's like you fell down and you can't get up, you lonely old fool.

see ya old fool.

The Old Sourdough

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Jan 3, 2010, 7:17:22 PM1/3/10
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> see ya old fool.

Dance, Duh-ane, dance.....

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Valdez is coming.

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Jan 3, 2010, 7:50:43 PM1/3/10
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Manatee Memories wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:17:22 -0600, The Old Sourdough <sen...@all.times>
> wrote, by way of <0bCdnaqftoMPrtzW...@giganews.com>, in
> 24hoursupport.helpdesk -->::
>
> <....>
>> Dance, Duh-ane, dance.....
>
> Once upon a time, you wrote things of much use. That was then, sad to
> say. Now, much (most?) of your time seems to be occupied with "pay
> back", to the tune of bad posting :(
>
> Maybe in 60 days you might have changed your ways . . . . .
>

24hourssupport really doesn't mean anything to me anymore that's why I
do what I do here. I really have no respect for it.

I give my respect to the MS .NET forums to people I respect, because I
am a Top Gun when it comes to .NET.

There are one or two people that are cool in this NG, and that's about
it. The rest are totally fucked-up like COLA. So they get what they get
from me.

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§nühw¤£f

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Jan 4, 2010, 3:47:59 PM1/4/10
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Meat Plow wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:50:43 -0500, "Valdez is coming."
> <Val...@iscoming.com>wrote:

>
>> 24hourssupport really doesn't mean anything to me anymore
>
> Nice way to show something means nothing to you.
>
> ....heh

PLONK!

Valdez is coming.

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:27:28 PM1/4/10
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�n�hw��f wrote:
> Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:50:43 -0500, "Valdez is coming."
>> <Val...@iscoming.com>wrote:
>>
>>> 24hourssupport really doesn't mean anything to me anymore
>>
>> Nice way to show something means nothing to you.
>>
>> ....heh
>
> PLONK!
>
>

PLANK!

DevilsPGD

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Jan 5, 2010, 1:18:45 PM1/5/10
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In message <3dniid....@news.alt.net> Meat Plow
<me...@petitmorte.net> was claimed to have wrote:

>I CITE that the human body possess more than enough power andf that it
>does not take brute force alone but a combination of power and skill.

Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. Try citing an
authoritative source?

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