Can I Change The True Domain Of A Free Office Live Site From 4th Level To TLD?
Internet Highway Traveler
I recently purchased a dot com domain from Go Daddy, and then created a free
MS Office Live site that incorporated all of the purchased domain, excluding
the dot com extension.
For example, and using a fictitious example at that, let's say that I
purchased examples.com.
I then incorporated example.com into my free 4th-level domain so that it
became as follows: http://examples.web.officelive.com
Rather than domain-masking and forwarding my purchased domain so that it
appears in the address bar instead of http://examples.web.officelive.com
when one is at the Office Live site, I prefer to permanently change the
*true* domain of my Office Live site from 4th level to that of my purchased
domain.
Is it possible to accomplish the above, and, if so, what are the actual
specifics involved?
In other words, to continue my example with a fictitious domain, I want
Google to index my site only as examples.com, and not as
examples.web.officelive.com, or both.
If need be, I will delete my free account and start anew.
Office Live has help files and a support community where many answers deal
with partial or complete redirection and changing DNS records.
Perhaps due to lack of understanding on my part, the answers never seem to
100% address the issue of changing the actual domain from 4th level to TLD
(that of my purchased domain), thus my post here.
Further, I tried twice to post my question in Office's community, but there
was an error message each time, indicating site unavailability. :-(
Thank you!
IHT
richard
Hell, just start off fresh.
Otherwise you're going to be acquiring a thousand unwanted headaches from
their website. Tons of script and other coding you'll have to wipeout
because it won't work on your TLD.
My first couple of sites were on the old geocities, then I got my own
TLD's, learned html and did my own coding.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> I recently purchased a dot com domain from Go Daddy, and then created
> a free MS Office Live site that incorporated all of the purchased
> domain, excluding the dot com extension.
>
> For example, and using a fictitious example at that, let's say that I
> purchased examples.com.
Ok, but best to use the singular word 'example', which is reserved for
typing example URLs. example.com .. example.net .. example.org
> I then incorporated example.com into my free 4th-level domain so that
> it became as follows: http://examples.web.officelive.com
>
> Rather than domain-masking and forwarding my purchased domain so that
> it appears in the address bar instead of
> http://examples.web.officelive.com when one is at the Office Live
> site, I prefer to permanently change the *true* domain of my Office
> Live site from 4th level to that of my purchased domain.
You can do that, if you use stealth redirection.
> Is it possible to accomplish the above, and, if so, what are the
> actual specifics involved?
On your web site of example.com, you use a frameset, with one frame,
which is the officelive.com site you want to pretend you are. Of course,
with frames nobody is going to be able to bookmark individual pages.
> In other words, to continue my example with a fictitious domain, I
> want Google to index my site only as examples.com, and not as
> examples.web.officelive.com, or both.
Google will not index all of the officelive.com site as if it were
yours. Google is too smart for that, and may even kick you and your
example.com out of its indexes.
> Perhaps due to lack of understanding on my part, the answers never
> seem to 100% address the issue of changing the actual domain from 4th
> level to TLD (that of my purchased domain), thus my post here.
Be aware that framed (stealth) masking will frequently fail, if the
authors of the work you are trying to steal bother. It's a very simple
matter to "break out of frames" - and nobody would see your domain name
at all. If you tried to mask any of my sites, it would not work.
--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> My first couple of sites were on the old geocities, then I got my own
> TLD's,
I don't see the RtS TLD here:
http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/index.html
> learned html and did my own coding.
That's debatable ... <lol>
richard
Yeah. A certain jackass a few years back decided he'd try to take over my
domain by framing it like that. So I just redirected his ass and few
customers to "Whitehouse.com". One simple line of code.
Internet Highway Traveler
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.non...@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> Internet Highway Traveler wrote:
>
>> I recently purchased a dot com domain from Go Daddy, and then created
>> a free MS Office Live site that incorporated all of the purchased
>> domain, excluding the dot com extension.
>>
>> For example, and using a fictitious example at that, let's say that I
>> purchased examples.com.
>
> Ok, but best to use the singular word 'example', which is reserved for
> typing example URLs. example.com .. example.net .. example.org
REPLY: As previously suggested to me in another post, the domain,
example.com, is to be used when one needs to reference a domain as an
example. Prior to using example.com as part of my fictitious example, I
checked and found that there was indeed a MS site with example in the
singular. In order to not cause inconvenience to the site owner, I used
examples, not example.
>
>> I then incorporated example.com into my free 4th-level domain so that
>> it became as follows: http://examples.web.officelive.com
>>
>> Rather than domain-masking and forwarding my purchased domain so that
>> it appears in the address bar instead of
>> http://examples.web.officelive.com when one is at the Office Live
>> site, I prefer to permanently change the *true* domain of my Office
>> Live site from 4th level to that of my purchased domain.
>
> You can do that, if you use stealth redirection.
REPLY: I respectfully disagree that stealth redirection changes the true
domain of any site. If stealth redirection (masked forwarding) is being
employed, then logic dictates that the true domain is problematic and that
the site owner wishes to not have it disclosed in the address bar.
>
>> Is it possible to accomplish the above, and, if so, what are the
>> actual specifics involved?
>
> On your web site of example.com, you use a frameset, with one frame,
> which is the officelive.com site you want to pretend you are. Of course,
> with frames nobody is going to be able to bookmark individual pages.
>
>> In other words, to continue my example with a fictitious domain, I
>> want Google to index my site only as examples.com, and not as
>> examples.web.officelive.com, or both.
>
> Google will not index all of the officelive.com site as if it were
> yours. Google is too smart for that, and may even kick you and your
> example.com out of its indexes.
>
>> Perhaps due to lack of understanding on my part, the answers never
>> seem to 100% address the issue of changing the actual domain from 4th
>> level to TLD (that of my purchased domain), thus my post here.
>
> Be aware that framed (stealth) masking will frequently fail, if the
> authors of the work you are trying to steal bother. It's a very simple
> matter to "break out of frames" - and nobody would see your domain name
> at all. If you tried to mask any of my sites, it would not work.
REPLY: Your statement, " ... masking will frequently fail, if the
> authors of the work you are trying to steal bother." is not germane. There
> was nothing in my post to even remotely suggest that I steal from others.
> Further, were I a thief, what benefit would I derive if one or more of my
> domains were forwarded to sites operated by others? More specifically, if
> I were the registrant of example.com and had it forwarded to Fedex's site,
> how would I benefit? It seems that, if any party would find benefit in the
> preceding, it might be Fedex, not I. If you care to clarify, please do so.
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
You don't need to include the word "REPLY:" in your replies.
> "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" wrote:
>> Internet Highway Traveler wrote:
>>> I recently purchased a dot com domain from Go Daddy, and then
>>> created a free MS Office Live site that incorporated all of the
>>> purchased domain, excluding the dot com extension.
>>>
>>> For example, and using a fictitious example at that, let's say that
>>> I purchased examples.com.
>>
>> Ok, but best to use the singular word 'example', which is reserved
>> for typing example URLs. example.com .. example.net .. example.org
>
> REPLY: As previously suggested to me in another post, the domain,
> example.com, is to be used when one needs to reference a domain as an
> example. Prior to using example.com as part of my fictitious example,
> I checked and found that there was indeed a MS site with example in
> the singular. In order to not cause inconvenience to the site owner,
> I used examples, not example.
http://example.com is not an MS site. However, the word 'example' can
certainly be used as a sub-domain by anyone. Without having to register
it of course.
>>> I then incorporated example.com into my free 4th-level domain so
>>> that it became as follows: http://examples.web.officelive.com
>>>
>>> Rather than domain-masking and forwarding my purchased domain so
>>> that it appears in the address bar instead of
>>> http://examples.web.officelive.com when one is at the Office Live
>>> site, I prefer to permanently change the *true* domain of my Office
>>> Live site from 4th level to that of my purchased domain.
>>
>> You can do that, if you use stealth redirection.
>
> REPLY: I respectfully disagree that stealth redirection changes the
> true domain of any site.
I did not say that it did.
> If stealth redirection (masked forwarding) is being employed, then
> logic dictates that the true domain is problematic
How do you define "problematic?" Stealth redirection is not really
"forwarding." You can't mask and forward at the same time.
> and that the site owner wishes to not have it disclosed in the address
> bar.
Statement does not seem to be relevant to your original query.
[big snip]
>> Be aware that framed (stealth) masking will frequently fail, if the
>> authors of the work you are trying to steal bother. It's a very
>> simple matter to "break out of frames" - and nobody would see your
>> domain name at all. If you tried to mask any of my sites, it would
>> not work.
[You added ">" quoting characters to your next reply somehow. I removed
them.]
> REPLY: Your statement, " ... masking will frequently fail, if the
> authors of the work you are trying to steal bother." is not germane.
> There was nothing in my post to even remotely suggest that I steal
> from others.
No, but it is frequently used for the purpose.
> Further, were I a thief, what benefit would I derive if one or more of
> my domains were forwarded to sites operated by others?
Depends on your undisclosed motives. "Forwarded" is one thing; stealth
hiding under your name in a frame is suspicious.
> More specifically, if I were the registrant of example.com and had it
> forwarded to Fedex's site, how would I benefit? It seems that, if any
> party would find benefit in the preceding, it might be Fedex, not I.
> If you care to clarify, please do so.
I don't know, but if you want to stealthily show the Microsoft
officelive site under your domain name, it smacks of something
nefarious. Care to actually explain why you want to do this?
The domain officelive.com is truly owned by Microsoft.
Please snip signatures when you reply.
Internet Highway Traveler
of my motives being honest.
The Office Live site that I have has a *long* URL which clearly indicates
that it's a free 4th level domain.
I have a purchased domain, which is shorter than the above, which I can
domain mask and forward to the Office Live Site which I created.
In doing so, two problems would continue to exist as far as I am concerned.
One is that every page in a browser would show the main domain only.
The other problem is that Google will index the site's home page (as masked)
in addition to other pages (as unmasked).
The above is confusing to search engine users and the masked - unmasked
scenario is unprofessional as far as I'm concerned.
Not wanting a free, very long 4th level domain to appear in a browser as
well as not wanting a free domain to appear in Google's rankings does not
constitute nefarious motives.
More importantly, please note the subject of this post.
It deals with changing the true domain of a site, not with domain masking
it.
That said, I regard the matter closed unless you know the answer to my post.
I've enjoyed reading yours in the past, and I'm certain that I will continue
to do so.
Cheers!
IHT
BTW, I have no idea what snipping signatures means.
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.non...@example.invalid> wrote in message
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty
> I do not regard stealth redirection (domain masking) as nefarious in
> light of my motives being honest.
As I mentioned, some people use it for less-than-honest purposes. I
could give one prime example, used by a ... well, regular readers will
know who I mean ... unscrupulous person who frequents this and other
groups.
> The Office Live site that I have has a *long* URL which clearly
> indicates that it's a free 4th level domain.
Please explain how you have an Office Live site. officelive.com is owned
by Microsoft -- which probably contributes to the thoughts of nefarious
usage.
> I have a purchased domain, which is shorter than the above, which I
> can domain mask and forward to the Office Live Site which I created.
Are you saying you work for Microsoft? I am curious.
> In doing so, two problems would continue to exist as far as I am
> concerned.
>
> One is that every page in a browser would show the main domain only.
That's what happens with framed (stealth) redirection.
> The other problem is that Google will index the site's home page (as
> masked) in addition to other pages (as unmasked).
Google also may completely reject your stealth domain name.
> The above is confusing to search engine users and the masked -
> unmasked scenario is unprofessional as far as I'm concerned.
I would agree it is unprofessional.
> Not wanting a free, very long 4th level domain to appear in a browser
> as well as not wanting a free domain to appear in Google's rankings
> does not constitute nefarious motives.
Why don't you just use an HTML redirect in your domain name's main page?
http://www.tizag.com/htmlT/meta.php
See the section: "Refresh Page and Redirect"
So you would have a page at your site,
http://example.com/index.html
with the code (the meta element is one line; watch wordwrap here):
<head>
<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;
url=http://example.web.officelive.com">
</head>
So you can say, "Friends, go to http://example.com for my site."
> More importantly, please note the subject of this post.
>
> It deals with changing the true domain of a site, not with domain
> masking it.
I'm thinking I am starting to figure out what you didn't actually ask.
The officelive site appears to allow registered users to create
sub(sub)domain pages of their own. Is this true?
If so, why don't you either just use a shortening service like
tinyurl.com to keep the URL short? Or the <meta> method above?
> BTW, I have no idea what snipping signatures means.
The part below, including and after the "-- " is called a signature. It
is common in Usenet. Competent newsreaders automatically remove it from
replies. Your newsreaders doesn't so you should remove them (snip/edit
out) when you are composing your replies.
The Old Sourdough
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 23:30:59 -0700, richard <mem...@newsguy.com>wrote:
snip
>>My first couple of sites were on the old geocities, then I got my own
>>TLD's, learned html and did my own coding.
>>
> Sure you did.
> ....heh
Sure he did. Wasn't it obvious?
--
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why?
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:43:36 -0500, Internet Highway Traveler wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I recently purchased a dot com domain from Go Daddy, and then created a free
>MS Office Live site that incorporated all of the purchased domain, excluding
>the dot com extension.
>
>For example, and using a fictitious example at that, let's say that I
It's not fictitious, it's reserved for this purpose. Just knock off the
's'.
>purchased examples.com.
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2606.html
".example" is recommended for use in documentation or as examples.
... following second level domain names reserved which can be used as
examples.
example.com
example.net
example.org
>I then incorporated example.com into my free 4th-level domain so that it
>became as follows: http://examples.web.officelive.com
Nope, you bought "examples.com" not "officelive.com" , it works from the
righthand side, not - com (something in the middle) the bit I bought /
registered is "examples" at "web.officelive.com".
You would have to rediredt from "examples.com" to
"examples.web.officelive.com" by an alias to point to the MS side.
Then of course too much overuse of 'examples' can be confusing.
The officelive forum would have been the best bet, however I think MS
wouldn't want you changing the 'name' of what's thier end
"web.officelive.com".
<snip>
Me
VanguardLH
> I recently purchased a dot com domain from Go Daddy, and then created a free
> MS Office Live site that incorporated all of the purchased domain, excluding
> the dot com extension.
>
> Rather than domain-masking and forwarding my purchased domain so that it
> appears in the address bar instead of http://examples.web.officelive.com
> when one is at the Office Live site, I prefer to permanently change the
> *true* domain of my Office Live site from 4th level to that of my purchased
> domain.
http://home.officelive.com/Settings/Pages/domainmgmt.aspx?cid=67_htc_gdom
There is a link on how to buy a domain and use that one. You probably have
to buy it from them; however, most registrars permit transfer of domain
registrations (at a fee). There is also a link on how to redirect from your
registered domain to the courtesy host on their officelive domain.
I suspect redirection means the visitor will still see the officelive.com in
the Address Bar of their web browser after getting redirected. You would
have to provide a web server that handles the wanted domain's web pages and
uses a frame inside of them to grab the 3rd party content from your
officelive web pages. Of course, at that point, you could simply put those
pages from officelive onto your own web server (whether you run the web
server or use a hosted site).
If you're thinking that you can hide from the web visitor as to where your
web server really is, forget it. Even with redirection, and even when using
a frame inside a web page to retrieve content from elsewhere, users can
still trace from where the content is being delivered that constitutes a web
page (unless you channel the 3rd party content through your own web server
so all content originates from there). So why do you feel the need to hide
that your web site is actually hosted at Microsoft's OfficeLive service?