Since I wanted to use it as a word processor *only*, Could I load up my
windows xp on it that i've had for a few years on my desktop. Or would I be
best to find a windows 98 ? Its a P2 Celeron 366, with 128 RAM; and 8GB
harddrive. Thanks for any advice.
Putting XP on that machine would turn it into a door-stop. It's memory
is too low and the cpu speed would be unsuitable for XP.
What you can do is get yourself a free Linux O/S distro like that
African sounding name Utubun -- the name is something like that or one
of the other Linux O/S(s) like Suse and install Linux on that old
clunker. It will be as fast as Win 9x running on that machine.
You can also install Open Office (free) and you'll have a documentation
laptop. That's about as much as you can do or continue to use Win 9x.
In my opinion, you would do the best with an English Win98SE.
XP will barely run on that hardware. The numerous advantages of XP over
98 will not make any difference for your application; and 98se will be
much more responsive with those limited resources.
That hardware would likely not suit you to run a linux distro, for which
your options would be limited, but that would be an option which would
not break any licensing rules.
The most practical solution in terms of licensing restrictions by MS
would be to ignore them - or rather to consider that if you have a
license to use the Japanese W98, then you are (should be) entitled to
use someone's English 98.. 'Borrow' someone's W98se. You are not
entitled by MS licensing considerations to 'use' your (own) XP for
which you have a license to use on the desktop machine you have.
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as stated XP would be way to slow
even most of the Linux distributions out there require better hardware
however Puppy Linux or Damn Small Linux would work great on that machine
otherwise I am sure you can still find win98 on ebay
>> P2 Celeron 366, with 128
>> RAM; and 8GB harddrive. Thanks for any advice.
> What you can do is get yourself a free Linux O/S distro like that
> African sounding name Utubun -- the name is something like that or one
> of the other Linux O/S(s) like Suse and install Linux on that old
> clunker. It will be as fast as Win 9x running on that machine.
That's not enough hardware resources to be happy with any of the
'buntu/s with the possible exception of Lubuntu, which hasn't been
released yet.
There are a number of reviews available for the lightweight linux
distros, such as DSL, Puppy, Antix, PCLOS TinyME and others.
> You can also install Open Office (free) and you'll have a documentation
> laptop. That's about as much as you can do or continue to use Win 9x.
OO is a bit of a resource hog as well.
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I got Suse Linux on an old OptiPlex Dell desktop machine I have not
seen since 2004 in storage. Linux is not putting any money in my
pockets, so I don't keep track with it, not like I do with MS.
> What you can do is get yourself a free Linux O/S distro like that
> African sounding name Utubun --
As you well know, DUH-ane, the OS is called 'Ubuntu', but the machine
won't have the resources to run it satisfactorily.
My recommendation would be either for the OP to install DSL (Damn Small
Linux) or Puppy Linux. Both run well on machines of small resources when
compared with more modern machines.
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Some small Linux distributions, some already mentioned.
Damm Small Linux
Puppy Linux
BasicLinux
Damm Small Linux Not
Peanut Linux
Tiny Linux
There are many text editors, wordprocessors you have likely 100's to
choose from that will be suitable.
Me
You've been helpful Hovark. And tell them Valdez is coming.
Since a word processor such as Open Office contains it's own fonts and
does not depend on Windows fonts
it should be installable and usable even if the OS itself is Japanese
I'd give it a try anyway
Contrary to others, I did do the same thing with an old refurbished IBM
thinkpad I bought once years ago. It came with 98se on it and I totally
wiped that out and installed xp on it with no problems.
But may have had more memory though. Don't recall off hand. 128 seems a bit
low for xp.
There are some issues to consider:
1. the original XP without any Service pack may run on that box - I
remember first trying out that OS on a P166 with 128 MB Ram ... well "run"
was a bit exaggerated ...
BUT
2. you will never have a full-blown office suite (2003,2007) on that.
3. With win98, you can't run any recent office distribution that offers
upward compatibility to *.docX or other office2007 formats, so
finally, you may try to grab a copy of win2K (the last Microsoft OS
without activation issues) and OfficeXP - that combo will, with file
format converter, open office2007 files.
It will take some time to start up the laptop and office, but once started
you can somehow work with it, provided the docs to work with, are not too
big and/or do not contain embedded OLE objects.
But then, paying for the OS and Office on that laptop ... obsolete :)
4. Linux ... I remember a old Mandrake version (8.2 or so) running fine on
a 64MB box, even with some ancient gnome version (but I had to use the
non-gui installer) and editors. So, a puppy, vectorlinux or other already
recommended versions will surely do - but do not expect to run OO3.1
(again, with docx compatibility) on that hardware.
5. Digging for some laptop Ram would help OO to crawl at least ... but the
10yr old laptop probably doesn't even have a memory extension slot, and
the type of memory won't be easy to find ;-/
6. Do not mess with that ancient thing ... it will eat your time for
nothing, and in the end - once you manage to make it crawl - you'll soon
dicover the builtin harddrive or another part is about to quit.
Get a cheap (maybe 2nd hand from a frustrated netbook-xp user) netbook on
ebay, and install xubuntu or another lean linux on it, together with
Openoffice.
even 64 megs is not enough to run win2k decently
however there are plenty of "fun" projects for those who like to waste time
http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm
it inspired to to run win98 on a 386
but it was not easy...and it had to be installed on a p-1 first
You know why Juan Valdez always fucked his donkey at the edge of a clif?
So the donkey would push back.
(estolen and re-purposed from G. Carlin)
^_^
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WP works just great in DOS (AFAIK Anne Rice STILL uses a DOS WP,
she die just a few years ago) and Win 3.11 - copies of which are
all over the place. Forget about installing bizarre OS's which
you have no experience with. It's interesting and most
commendable but just not worth it in your case.
It would also run 95 or 98 just fine, and something called
TinyXP Platinum (Goggle) or XPLite (Google) would probably run
OK too - but /why/? DOS or Win 3.1 is ALL you need.
AmiPro is an excellent WP for Win 3.1. I can post whatever you
need (like 3.11 and AmiPro) to a file sharing site if you like
(I don't have binaries access).
t.
WP?
If that were my machine I'd think it would be easier to just learn Japanese
(just one of my dumb jokes, even if I grew another brain I could never
learn a language that hard)
Not a dumb joke if you ever (tried to ) use WP. Ya lets get into it
and edit some codes on the split screen. Oh my god what a mess.
Back to the OP question.
If you must use this machine then get Windows 98 SE and MS Office 97
which will be acceptable on the limited machine and give you
everything you need.
Art
> WP works just great in DOS (AFAIK Anne Rice STILL uses a DOS WP,
> she die just a few years ago) and Win 3.11 - copies of which are
> all over the place.
Anne Rice is still alive. For years her fave word processor was
WordStar, but I don't know what she is currently using.
Anne's birth name was Howard O'Brien, after her father. She started
calling herself Anne on her first day of school. Seems reasonable.
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> We have a ten year old laptop a Toshiba Dynabook 2550X. It was made
Your best bet would be to either install 98 english - can be found in
p2p or 95 or some version of dos with a dos word processor. If you're
not going to use it for anything *but* word processing you don't really
need windows at all do you?
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<SNIP>
> (just one of my dumb jokes, even if I grew another brain I
> could never learn a language that hard)
That damn language almost excuses the Transformers and
everything that came after them.
<SNIP>
> Back to the OP question.
> If you must use this machine then get Windows 98 SE and MS
> Office 97 which will be acceptable on the limited machine
> and give you everything you need.
Everyone thinking the have to have OfficeXX to write a fucking
letter is one of the things VERY wrong with this world.
Most people who proudly say "Yes, I have Office" don't even know
how to set tabs and never use four of the six (or whatever, I
wouldn't have it if you paid me) apps. And if they tried, they'd
run away crying.
I just cannot imagine a more difficult language
it's got to be worse than English
and can you imagine a Japanese crossword puzzle
?????
<SNIP>
> I just cannot imagine a more difficult language
>
> it's got to be worse than English
>
> and can you imagine a Japanese crossword puzzle
>
> ?????
I already have a good collection of standard nightmares, thank
you...
BTW:
Re: Facebook (AKA Federal Activity and Contact Enumerator Based
On Online Knowledge)
I signed up 4-6 months ago with one of my fake gmail accounts
because I wanted to get in touch with a software author and it
was the only way. Nothing came of it but the account remained.
Nothing happened to it for months, because I never visited and I
certainly didn't DO /anything/ with it. Why the hell would I?
A few weeks ago I made a post in this group and I put the same
gmail address in the body. Well, a few days later I happened to
log in to Facebook to check if perhaps the aforementioned
software author (or another person from a distant past who I
found on there) had surfaced and guess what? I now have about a
dozen friends, starting with you and the future Mrs., and a
bunch of other people I've never heard of, all from your city.
Haven't logged on since, but I wonder what I'll see next.
Interesting, huh? What do they do, scan ALL Usenet posts (and
emails?), make all the possible associations and cross-
associations and make you (and possibly other entities...) a
wholesale gift of "new friends"?
Yes
I know Facebook spies on everyone
I finally signed up for the first time
a few weeks back
and the first two recommendations that popped up
were a couple of my best friends...\one of whom was my fianc� !
384MB if memory serves.
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 03:43:01 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar <ch...@nil.car> wrote:
>
>>384MB if memory serves.
>
> Please learn to read. Microsoft states 64.
"Microsoft recommends that computers running Windows XP have at least 128
megabytes (MB) of random access memory (RAM) installed."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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cabbage, home-killed pieces of venison and jellyfish with bits of vaginal
yeast, bone marrow gravy, a side of English sparrow stomach carcinoma and
a pint of emulsified sweat and grease from the chef's forehead.
I'd rather have a couple of gigs myself ... I'm bad on computers that
haven't enuf RAM! Seems I tend to crash them if they are less than a gig.
:)
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Some of the home grown Okies I've met would lead me to believe that from
time to time, but for the most part it's a rather nice place to hang out
in.... (if you can avoid the gang violence and general thieving scumbags
that have taken over various parts of the city...)
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Perhaps liposuction and a major facelift would help.
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sundry bits of green bean and lemming with whole cauliflower in sour
cream, a side of dachshund adrenal glands and a demitasse of thick,
syrupy, green snot.
> Fred Hall wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:03:44 -0600, "Jenn" <no...@noway.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
>>
>> Oklahoma....isn't that a suburb of Arkansas?
>
> Some of the home grown Okies I've met would lead me to believe that from
> time to time, but for the most part it's a rather nice place to hang out
> in....
Like fruit bats in a tree.
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and crustacean in contaminated ship's bilge, a side of lamprey adrenal
glands and a tumbler of clotted eel puree.
Can you see her from there? ;)
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naaaa I'm in Tulsa ........
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> On 09/01/2010 21:15, Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>> Some languid queen named "Jenn" churred:
>>
>>
>>> Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>>>
>>>> Some macrencephalic floosie named "Evan Platt" chalked:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 03:43:01 +0000 (UTC), chuckcar<ch...@nil.car>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 384MB if memory serves.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Please learn to read. Microsoft states 64.
>>>>>
>>>> "Microsoft recommends that computers running Windows XP have at least
>>>> 128 megabytes (MB) of random access memory (RAM) installed."
>>>>
>>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>>>
>>> I'd rather have a couple of gigs myself ... I'm bad on computers that
>>> haven't enuf RAM! Seems I tend to crash them if they are less than a
>>> gig. :)
>>>
>> Perhaps liposuction and a major facelift would help.
>>
>>
>>
> Can you see her from there? ;)
She left her webcam on.
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Hellish cuttlefish brain with detestable pimple aside dinged Siamese cat
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stringy bits of salsa and salami with remnants of shrimp in polluted
crud, a side of weevil lymph node and a pitcher of carcinoma juice.
>On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:34:03 -0600, "Jenn" <no...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>>Fred Hall wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:11:52 -0600, "Jenn" <no...@noway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fred Hall wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:03:44 -0600, "Jenn" <no...@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenn (from Oklahoma)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oklahoma....isn't that a suburb of Arkansas?
>>>>
>>>> Some of the home grown Okies I've met would lead me to believe that
>>>> from time to time, but for the most part it's a rather nice place to
>>>> hang out in.... (if you can avoid the gang violence and general
>>>> thieving scumbags that have taken over various parts of the city...)
>>>
>>> You must be in Okie City. Yeah, it's been headed downhill for years.
>>
>>naaaa I'm in Tulsa ........
>
>Jesus...
>
>Better consider moving to Muskogee
Minot, North Dakota
awe ... had to give the texas comment some leeway sing they lost so badly to
Alabama yesterday <grin>
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>On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:13:02 -0800, Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com>
>wrote:
>Yes. Gang activity there is limited to the months of July and August.
Thursdays only.
yeah .. 'Bama was just playing a better game. Did you see the last play by
Tx where they bobbled the ball like twice and then a Bama player caught it??
I was like .... "NO WAY!!!" LOL
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> But may have had more memory though. Don't recall off hand. 128 seems a bit
> low for xp.
Too low to run at a satisfactory speed, yes. Too low to install Windows XP
at all, no. I have seen Windows XP Home Editon (too old to include any
service pack) run, er, crawl, actually, on an eMachine computer with a mere
128 MB of RAM. And Windows XP Home Edition is crawling, as well, on an old
HP Pavilion 6745C I have (which originally came with Windows ME). 256 MB on
that computer.
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> richard <mem...@newsguy.com> wrote in
>> But may have had more memory though. Don't recall off hand. 128 seems
>> a bit low for xp.
> 384MB if memory serves.
MS specs say, "128 MB". I've seen it on an eMachines with a mere 128 MB, and
I run it on an HP Pavilion with 256 MB.