Its unconstitutional...like a tax on breathing
§nühw¤£f
citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a tax
to breathe:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sheldon Laskin, an Adjunct Professor at the University of Baltimore Law
School who has argued that the Constitution forbids such a move,
describes the new and dangerous can of worms it would open up:
"If Congress can compel the purchase of insurance from a for profit
insurance company, it can compel the purchase of any commodity if there
is an arguable public policy to support it. The auto industry is
collapsing? Forget Cash for Clunkers, just order Americans to buy cars
or tax them if they don't. Obesity crisis? Order Americans to join
health clubs, or tax them if they don't. If Congress gets away with
this, there is no stopping point and Big Business will have succeeded in
making Americans into involuntary consumers whenever it so chooses."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/981
Its all over now
Baby Blue
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OldGringo38
Two Cents To The �n�hw��f Post:
> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a tax
> to breathe:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Sheldon Laskin, an Adjunct Professor at the University of Baltimore Law
> School who has argued that the Constitution forbids such a move,
> describes the new and dangerous can of worms it would open up:
>
> "If Congress can compel the purchase of insurance from a for profit
> insurance company, it can compel the purchase of any commodity if there
> is an arguable public policy to support it. The auto industry is
> collapsing? Forget Cash for Clunkers, just order Americans to buy cars
> or tax them if they don't. Obesity crisis? Order Americans to join
> health clubs, or tax them if they don't. If Congress gets away with
> this, there is no stopping point and Big Business will have succeeded in
> making Americans into involuntary consumers whenever it so chooses."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/981
>
> Its all over now
> Baby Blue
>
choice is Wendy's, Burger King, or McDonald's.
--
Old Gringo
Just West Of Nowhere
Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
http://www.NuBoy-Industries.com
Zu Arsschlaark!
"OldGringo38" <NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> wrote in message
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Or Starbucks, Starbucks and oh .. Starbucks ...
chuckcar
news:hgu712$4mk$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a
> tax to breathe:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~ Sheldon Laskin, an Adjunct Professor at the University of Baltimore
> Law School who has argued that the Constitution forbids such a move,
> describes the new and dangerous can of worms it would open up:
>
> "If Congress can compel the purchase of insurance from a for
> profit
> insurance company, it can compel the purchase of any commodity if
> there is an arguable public policy to support it. The auto industry is
> collapsing? Forget Cash for Clunkers, just order Americans to buy cars
> or tax them if they don't. Obesity crisis? Order Americans to join
> health clubs, or tax them if they don't. If Congress gets away with
> this, there is no stopping point and Big Business will have succeeded
> in making Americans into involuntary consumers whenever it so
> chooses."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/981
>
> Its all over now
> Baby Blue
>
You're also free to go bankrupt if you choose to pay your own medical
bills yourself. Get a clue.
--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
DemoDisk
"�n�hw��f" <snuh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a
tax
> to breathe:
You know, I feel the same way about car insurance! Why should I be
forced to pay hundreds of dollars per year for it when I'm a good
driver?
It was nice that I was covered when some bitch broadsided me, but
still...
Jm
Kadaitcha Man
> "§nühw€£f" <snuh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hgu712$4mk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Ive felt this way since we first met.
> You know, I feel the same way about you! Why should I be
> forced to pay hundreds of dollars per year for it when I'm a good
> pile driver?
>
> It was nice that I was covered when some bitch broadsided me, but
> still...
>
> Jm
Que?
DemoDisk
"Kadaitcha Man" <an...@no.email> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:38:00 -0600, DemoDisk wrote:
>
> > news:hgu712$4mk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> Ive felt this way since we first met.
>
> > You know, I feel the same way about you! Why should I be
> > forced to pay hundreds of dollars per year for it when I'm a good
> > pile driver?
> >
> > It was nice that I was covered when some bitch broadsided me, but
> > still...
> >
> > Jm
>
> Que?
Queso. Cheese. As in Cheesedick.
Kadaitcha Man
> "Kadaitcha Man" <an...@no.email> wrote in message
> news:3crhb8....@news.alt.net...
>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:38:00 -0600, DemoDisk wrote:
>>
>> > "§nühw?£f" <snuh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:hgu712$4mk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> >> Ive felt this way since we first met.
>>
>> > You know, I feel the same way about you! Why should I be forced to
>> > pay hundreds of dollars per year for it when I'm a good pile driver?
>> >
>> > It was nice that I was covered when some bitch broadsided me, but
>> > still...
>> >
>> > Jm
>>
>> Que?
>
> Queso. Cheese. As in Cheesedick.
No dick here. Quess again.
ChairMan
DemoDisk <pac...@nospam.com>spewed forth:
That state mandated, not federal.
And yes, there is a difference in legality
ChairMan
chuckcar <ch...@nil.car>spewed forth:
Choice, it's a fuckin' bitch, ain't it.
NormanM
> Or Starbucks, Starbucks and oh .. Starbucks ...
Eh? No Peet's? And I know a couple of Mom & Pop coffee shops in this area.
Unless you absolutely must have access to a National Brand�.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
NormanM
> "�n�hw��f" <snuh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hgu712$4mk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
>> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying
>> a tax to breathe:
> You know, I feel the same way about car insurance! Why should I be
> forced to pay hundreds of dollars per year for it when I'm a good
> driver?
You don't have to buy "mandated" insurance, in most states, if you post a
bond. However, this is something of an 'apples-oranges' comparison. I don't
have to buy auto insurance under state mandate because I don't own a car.
OTOH, how to get rid of my body? I agree it is like a tax on breathing.
Don't want to pay the breathing tax? Stop breathing!
Jenn
> In The Beginning God Created The Heavens And Earth, Then I Added My
> Two Cents To The �n�hw��f Post:
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/981 Its all over
>> now
>> Baby Blue
>>
> I have said this before, and I'll say it again, your freedom of
> choice is Wendy's, Burger King, or McDonald's.
Or taco bell, KFC, BillyRay's BBQ, Elmers BBQ (YUMMM), arbys, pizza,
....... (what is wrong with me .. I had breakfast but all I can think of is
food!)
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Jenn
> "OldGringo38" <NoE...@ThisOldHouse.Con> wrote in message
> news:hgu8us$5ve$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Its all over now
>>> Baby Blue
>>>
>> I have said this before, and I'll say it again, your freedom of
>> choice is Wendy's, Burger King, or McDonald's.
>>
>> --
>> Old Gringo
>> Just West Of Nowhere
>> Enjoy Life And Live It To Its Fullest
>> http://www.NuBoy-Industries.com
>
>
> Or Starbucks, Starbucks and oh .. Starbucks ...
or ... a good hot coffee with kahlua and irish cream!!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMmmMMmMmmmm
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
Jenn
> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a
> tax to breathe:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/981
> Its all over now
> Baby Blue
I've been wondering ... what happens to the people who can't afford to buy
health insurance? Mandating it isn't going to do anything for them.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
OldGringo38
http://www.americantowns.com/tx/marfa/yp/restaurants
They come and go on a weekly basis. <g>
Jenn
> In The Beginning God Created The Heavens And Earth, Then I Added My
>> OldGringo38 wrote:
>>>>
>>> I have said this before, and I'll say it again, your freedom of
>>> choice is Wendy's, Burger King, or McDonald's.
>>
>>
>> Or taco bell, KFC, BillyRay's BBQ, Elmers BBQ (YUMMM), arbys, pizza,
>> ....... (what is wrong with me .. I had breakfast but all I can
>> think of is food!)
> We have none of my above or none of your above here in Marfa.
> http://www.americantowns.com/tx/marfa/yp/restaurants
> They come and go on a weekly basis. <g>
I found out that people can order BBQ from Elmersbbq.net from anywhere in
the US and they will vacuum pac it and ship it and when you get it, it's
just like it came off the grill! mmmmmmm yum ... I heard they sent some to
somewhere in California that way.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
§nühw¤£f
stood...*another* starbucks...
§nühw¤£f
other drivers who you hit.
An uninsured (for Medical) person walking around who gets sick & dies
does not cause you financial harm.
HTH
§nühw¤£f
They pay a FINE.
How you like them apples?
Like I said; the constitutionality of this is questionable.
HTH
Jenn
> Jenn wrote:
>> I've been wondering ... what happens to the people who can't afford
>> to buy health insurance? Mandating it isn't going to do anything
>> for them.
>
> They pay a FINE.
> How you like them apples?
> Like I said; the constitutionality of this is questionable.
>
I guess they get to go to jail if they can't afford to pay the fine, too!
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
OldGringo38
OldGringo38
coffee shops and many good restaurants, several bars, and Randy Quaid
and wife Evi. <g>
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20332514,00.html
§nühw¤£f
The return of debtors prisons. Its going to be illegal to be homeless
soon too.
But who wins?
Glad you asked:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/24-0
"Today�s vote in the Senate to pass their health care reform bill was a
big win for many people. It was a big win for the drug companies, the
biologics industry, the hospital companies, and the for-profit health
insurance corporations. They will all get billions of government dollars
piled on to their ledgers, and and millions of Americans now forced to
buy their products. The vote was also a huge win for the lobbyists who
just saw their profits jump thanks to this great opportunity to show
their clients just how powerful their hold on Washington really is."
§nühw¤£f
Jus Sayin[tm]
Jenn
> In The Beginning God Created The Heavens And Earth, Then I Added My
> Two Cents To The Jenn Post:
>>> http://www.americantowns.com/tx/marfa/yp/restaurants
>>> They come and go on a weekly basis. <g>
>> I found out that people can order BBQ from Elmersbbq.net from
>> anywhere in the US and they will vacuum pac it and ship it and when
>> you get it, it's just like it came off the grill! mmmmmmm yum ... I
>> heard they sent some to somewhere in California that way.
> Borunda's has very good BBQ and cold beer <g>
What's your fav? Elmer's has this sandwich combo that I always get ...
chicken and chopped beef or smoked bologna. My husband gets this sandwich
called "The Badwich" (chopped beef, smoked bologna, hot links or smoked
sausange) all on one sandwich and it comes with a smoke rib and 2 sides.
Mannnnnnnn I'm getting hungry now.
--
Jenn (from Oklahoma)
chuckcar
news:QhEYm.56880$ke1....@unlimited.newshosting.com:
> In news:Xns9CEAE51...@127.0.0.1,
> chuckcar <ch...@nil.car>spewed forth:
>>>
>> You're also free to go bankrupt if you choose to pay your own medical
>> bills yourself. Get a clue.
>
> Choice, it's a fuckin' bitch, ain't it.
>
>
The truly amazing this about all this is that the US public have no idea
how much or how long they've been screwed by private health care.
wisdomkiller & pain
> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a tax
> to breathe:
Just to get flamed by rednecks :)
Anyone feeling reasonably healthy but running out of money near each
months end, might think it's a good idea to not have to pay "health taxes"
as long as he/she is healthy ... or at least feels like that.
But ... once getting sick, the whining begins: no insurance will take you
once you are chronically ill or had your first cancer, back surgery,
bypass or whatever ... or just a few pounds too much. To get insurance at
that time, is almost unbearable .... yet the overdue surgery is even more
so. You end up as a victim of the banksters.
So "we" choose to begin paying/saving early enough, but not as much. At
least for basic coverage, yet we can spend extra money for enhanced plans
anytime. Starting at a age the insurance has no clue who will later on
suffer from diseases, but at least benefit from the health plan, and who
will be a happy healthy nett payer all his life.
That's what a insurance is for.
§nühw¤£f
> §nühw¤£f wrote:
>
>> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
>> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a tax
>> to breathe:
>
> Just to get flamed by rednecks :)
I'll leave space for them to bitch...
> Anyone feeling reasonably healthy but running out of money near each
> months end, might think it's a good idea to not have to pay "health taxes"
> as long as he/she is healthy ... or at least feels like that.
Uh huh...
> But ... once getting sick, the whining begins: no insurance will take you
> once you are chronically ill or had your first cancer, back surgery,
> bypass or whatever ... or just a few pounds too much.
No kidding. As a DIABETIC, you'd think I'd know that.
^_^
> To get insurance at
> that time, is almost unbearable .... yet the overdue surgery is even more
> so. You end up as a victim of the banksters.
Because uhmurikuh is a backwards ass 3rd world shithole, agreed.
^_^
> So "we" choose to begin paying/saving early enough, but not as much. At
> least for basic coverage, yet we can spend extra money for enhanced plans
> anytime.
Nicely ASSumed. The assumption that the insurance wont be dropped the
minute you get sick or your premiums dont go triple.
> Starting at a age the insurance has no clue who will later on
> suffer from diseases,
Your ignorance is showing. They do familial studies and base your rate
on what they already know about your relatives. Sorry to break your bubble.
>but at least benefit from the health plan, and who
> will be a happy healthy nett payer all his life.
> That's what a insurance is for.
>
And you still have the k001-aid stains on yer lips, mate.
The companies exist to make a profit for their shareholders.
Not to pay off your medical expenses.
FYI
HTH
elgee
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insurance. They can just pay the fine ($750.00 I have heard) each year.
Since the insurance companies can no longer turn you down for pre-existing
conditions, they can just buy insurance when they get sick.
Even those who are not so healthy can go to an emergency room (They have to
treat them) then buy insurance at that time.
Elgy
POGO PUNY
"elgee" <lgpe...@nospamdotcomcast.net> wrote:
> No! The young and healthy can save a lot of money by not buying health
> insurance. They can just pay the fine ($750.00 I have heard) each year.
> Since the insurance companies can no longer turn you down for pre-existing
> conditions, they can just buy insurance when they get sick.
> Even those who are not so healthy can go to an emergency room (They have to
> treat them) then buy insurance at that time.
> Elgy
and THAT is EXACTY why insurance costs are so HIGH u IDIOT ASSHOLE BITCH
Bucky Breeder
The Great Insurrectionist Negro Savior said "affordable"...
Du'h... I guess we'll have to wait for Congress and the Senate to
hammer out an agreement on what exactly "affordable" means...
Then those who don't comply can do time in our understaffed prisons...
or do road-cleanup in those stylish orange suits, or more likely...
Probably something like white people with jobs have to get another
job; while the darker shades get it all for free.
It's the American way! And don't go trying to socialize our facist
way of life without some cost to the taxpaying minority. And all the
while, the insurance industry will just keep-on gettin' richer.
Oh yeah, bay-bee; Merry Christmas to all, and to all an economic crash.
We should just elect Sarah Palin and Rush Limberger, and get it
right for a change. We may have a depression, but we'll have plenty
of moose to eat - as long as we get enough oil from Iraq to keep the
helicopters flying.
--
I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; ;
and on the 'AWESOMENESS METER'
I am about two clicks better than 'TOTALLY';
furthermore, I am taking an indefinate hiatus from golf
so I can spend more time with my wives and mistresses
and other assorted low-profile fine-ass white-women.
You should not view the world in terms
of things which you do - or do not - "like";
rather, you should view the world in terms
of how things "actually are", recognizing
and finding acceptance of them as such.
This would immeasurably bring *much* more
stability, peace and tranquility into your life.
I could help you with that... but...
I really just don't like you that much.
Repent! The end is near.... So, smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Best wishes to all for a safe and joyous holiday season!
§nühw¤£f
No, pinhead. Its the overhead costs of management. You remove that layer
and it becomes less expensive. The cost of malpractice insurance for
doctors is also unfortunately a big expense which is passed along to the
patient.
FYI
You may now launch into a lengthy diatribe about the merits of tort-reform.
HAND
§nühw¤£f
> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:52:13 -0700, ?n?hw??f
> <snuh...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Jenn wrote:
>>> ?n?hw??f wrote:
>>>> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
>>>> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a
>>>> tax to breathe:
>>> <snip>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/981
>>>> Its all over now
>>>> Baby Blue
>>>
>>> I've been wondering ... what happens to the people who can't afford to buy
>>> health insurance? Mandating it isn't going to do anything for them.
>> They pay a FINE.
>> How you like them apples?
>> Like I said; the constitutionality of this is questionable.
>>
>> HTH
>
> control the banking and medical systems of a country.
And Mussolini said that the blending of corporations and government was
the definition of fascism.
^_^
Respondant
And *I* say the whole health care mess could be fixed without raping
Medicare and costing even more trillions of dollars we don't have. Simply
open it up so the insurance companies can sell across State lines. Now you
have more competition. More competition = Lower prices. Don't believe me?
Ever since Verizon FIOS became available on my street, I'm paying Comcast a
LOT (close to $50.00) less for TV/Phone/Internet per month than I was.
Think about it. And while yer at it, think on the following as well ....
Working people have enough of a tax burden as it is. And now we're gonna
have the added burden of paying for this health insurance MESS for 3-4 years
BEFORE ANY OF IT goes into effect. That's like paying rent on an apartment
for 3-4 years before yer allowed to move in. Is that a good deal? I don't
think so.
Oh and Merry\Happy <insert whatever doesn't offend you here> to all.
Bill
Bucky Breeder
news:hh2sfs$s21$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> And *I* say the whole health care mess could be fixed without raping
> Medicare and costing even more trillions of dollars we don't have.
> Simply open it up so the insurance companies can sell across State
> lines. Now you have more competition. More competition = Lower prices.
> Don't believe me? Ever since Verizon FIOS became available on my
> street, I'm paying Comcast a LOT (close to $50.00) less for
> TV/Phone/Internet per month than I was.
>
> Think about it. And while yer at it, think on the following as well
> .... Working people have enough of a tax burden as it is. And now we're
> gonna have the added burden of paying for this health insurance MESS for
> 3-4 years BEFORE ANY OF IT goes into effect. That's like paying rent on
> an apartment for 3-4 years before yer allowed to move in. Is that a
> good deal? I don't think so.
>
> Oh and Merry\Happy <insert whatever doesn't offend you here> to all.
>
> Bill
Well, how do you like the part where Mutual of Omaha gets the blanket
income tax exemption?
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=111&sid=1846034
§nühw¤£f
Uh huh. Thats in the senate bill. But thats a race to the bottom as
insurers will cut compensation.
> Now you
> have more competition. More competition = Lower prices. Don't believe me?
No, I don't buy into that free markets shit.
Regulation to break up collusion is necessary.
> Ever since Verizon FIOS became available on my street, I'm paying Comcast a
> LOT (close to $50.00) less for TV/Phone/Internet per month than I was.
>
Theres no variability in services. Its a set commodity.
In health insurance theres a lot more variability in needs.
> Think about it. And while yer at it, think on the following as well ....
> Working people have enough of a tax burden as it is. And now we're gonna
> have the added burden of paying for this health insurance MESS for 3-4 years
> BEFORE ANY OF IT goes into effect. That's like paying rent on an apartment
> for 3-4 years before yer allowed to move in. Is that a good deal? I don't
> think so.
>
No kidding. The senate bill is shit. The house bill is better.
Without a public option we'd be better off with what we have now: nothing.
> Oh and Merry\Happy <insert whatever doesn't offend you here> to all.
>
> Bill
>
>
Yeah, Festivus really kicked ass this year...
Respondant
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:24:17 -0500, "Respondant"
> <Respo...@nonemail.not>wrote:
> What needed fixed first were all the laws pertaining to malpractice
> causing the whole medical enchilada to become in debt to the tune of
> trillions to the insurance scam artists.
>
> This country is going to tax itself out of existence. It's a vicious
> cycle when more taxes and government control put more people out of
> work resulting in less taxable income.
Believe it ot not, Meat .... We are in complete agreement for possibly the
first time in out Usenet lives. :-)
Once the middle class is taxed out of existance, who's gonna foot the bill?
Certainly not the rich.
Bill
§nühw¤£f
Oh really? "taxed out of existence"?
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Its the *jobs* that *pay* a middle class wage that
NO LONGER EXIST due to outsourcing, downsizing and off-shoring, you
brainless fucknuckle.
HTH
Respondant
Yes.
> BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Its the *jobs* that *pay* a middle class wage
> that NO LONGER EXIST due to outsourcing, downsizing and off-shoring,
> you brainless fucknuckle.
Guess I'm no longer middle class at 52.5K/year then?
Good. I was hopng to be poor. This way I''ll get some tax relief from the
OBAMAnation.
Dumbass
> HTH
Bill
§nühw¤£f
>> BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Its the *jobs* that *pay* a middle class wage
>> that NO LONGER EXIST due to outsourcing, downsizing and off-shoring,
>> you brainless fucknuckle.
>
> Guess I'm no longer middle class at 52.5K/year then?
>
Nice strawman.
> Good. I was hopng to be poor. This way I''ll get some tax relief from the
> OBAMAnation.
>
So you *want* some bailout money?
Some conservative you are.
> Dumbass
>
Suck my nuts.
wisdomkiller & pain
> POGO PUNY wrote:
>> In article <TO-dnaWwr7vcqqnW...@giganews.com>,
>> "elgee" <lgpe...@nospamdotcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> No! The young and healthy can save a lot of money by not buying
>>> health
>>> insurance. They can just pay the fine ($750.00 I have heard) each
>>> year. Since the insurance companies can no longer turn you down for
>>> pre-existing conditions, they can just buy insurance when they get
>>> sick. Even those who are not so healthy can go to an emergency room
>>> (They have to treat them) then buy insurance at that time.
>>> Elgy
>>
>> and THAT is EXACTY why insurance costs are so HIGH u IDIOT ASSHOLE
>> BITCH
>
> No, pinhead. Its the overhead costs of management. You remove that layer
> and it becomes less expensive. The cost of malpractice insurance for
> doctors is also unfortunately a big expense which is passed along to the
> patient.
>
It is overhead as well as grade math seniors and the computation power to
buy plus the money to spend for proposed customers health relevant data.
Therefore, public healthcare insurance (which is not allowed to do
individual risk calculations and to reject customers) has to be a bit
cheaper. Ok, there may be more politicians trying to interfere with best
business practice or get their friends a good income, so the overhead
costs could overrule the benefits.
§nühw¤£f
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20120a77d19db970b-popup
And this takes out your specious argument that its "affordable"
healthcare now:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/12/27/affordable-health-care/
FYI
HTH
wisdomkiller & pain
> wisdomkiller & pain wrote:
....
>> But ... once getting sick, the whining begins: no insurance will take
>> you once you are chronically ill or had your first cancer, back
>> surgery, bypass or whatever ... or just a few pounds too much.
>
> No kidding. As a DIABETIC, you'd think I'd know that.
> ^_^
>
Oh, sorry.
>
>> To get insurance at
>> that time, is almost unbearable .... yet the overdue surgery is even
>> more so. You end up as a victim of the banksters.
>
> Because uhmurikuh is a backwards ass 3rd world shithole, agreed.
> ^_^
>
>> So "we" choose to begin paying/saving early enough, but not as much. At
>> least for basic coverage, yet we can spend extra money for enhanced
>> plans anytime.
>
> Nicely ASSumed. The assumption that the insurance wont be dropped the
> minute you get sick or your premiums dont go triple.
>
Private health insurance may do that, depending upon the kind of contract
and law regulations. A strong enough government should establish proper
regulations to keep the business a insurance.
Of course, the later the contract is made, the higher the charges.
Public health insurance indeed is a alternative.
>
>> Starting at a age the insurance has no clue who will later on
>> suffer from diseases,
>
> Your ignorance is showing. They do familial studies and base your rate
> on what they already know about your relatives. Sorry to break your
> bubble.
>
Private insurances may (try to) do that - but it produces bad advertisment
at least, and after all it needs partially illegal means of data
gathering, with predisposition for bribery and corruption. And, it needs
skilled personnel with advanced mathematics knowledge.
....
> And you still have the k001-aid stains on yer lips, mate.
> The companies exist to make a profit for their shareholders.
> Not to pay off your medical expenses.
>
They have to do one for the other. There is competition as well ... unless
corruption has taken over the whole business.
Which, indeed, would be a good time to offer alternatives.
RickMerrill
> Ive felt this way since the beginning: having *mandates* to force
> citizens to buy insurance is unconstitutional. Its akin to paying a tax
> to breathe:
> Sheldon Laskin, an Adjunct Professor at the University of Baltimore Law
> School who has argued that the Constitution forbids such a move,
> describes the new and dangerous can of worms it would open up:
>
> "If Congress can compel the purchase of insurance from a for profit
> insurance company, it can compel the purchase of any commodity if there
> is an arguable public policy to support it. The auto industry is
> collapsing? Forget Cash for Clunkers, just order Americans to buy cars
> or tax them if they don't. Obesity crisis? Order Americans to join
> health clubs, or tax them if they don't. If Congress gets away with
> this, there is no stopping point and Big Business will have succeeded in
> making Americans into involuntary consumers whenever it so chooses."
> http://journals.democraticunderground.com/davidswanson/981
>
> Its all over now
> Baby Blue
>
You pay taxes but you don't use all govt services!? What's wrong with
you?-)