----- Original Message ----- From: "funboy" <paulmflana...@eircom.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:13 PM
Subject: [2-tone-forum] The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4 (26/6/2009)
> The Specials gig to be televised
> BBC4 are to screen The Specials set at Glastonbury, on Friday 26th
> June.
> The programme is introduced by Mark Radcliffe and is on from 9pm to
> 10pm on BBC4.
Agreed Jason - though I thought that Concrete Jungle was even worse.
Otherwise I thought they sounded great.
George.
--- On Sun, 28/6/09, jason <ja...@2-tone.info> wrote:
From: jason <ja...@2-tone.info>
Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4 (26/6/2009)
To: "2-tone forum" <2-tone-forum@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 4:09 PM
Note to band: the live rendition of Ghost Town is horrendous.
On Jun 28, 6:05 pm, George Curran <seoirse...@yahoo.ie> wrote:
> Agreed Jason - though I thought that Concrete Jungle was even worse.
> Otherwise I thought they sounded great.
> George.
> ------------------------
I gave up half way through Monkey Man and tuned in again to get the
full horror of a lifeless clinical version of Too Much Too Young and
then the full horror that was Ghost Town.
Each to their own. It sounds like a bad Mariachi band on mogadon to me.
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On Behalf Of Wally
Sent: 29 June 2009 15:08
To: 2-tone-forum@googlegroups.com
Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4
(26/6/2009)
I tuned into Spanish Radio 3 last night and they were playing that, The
Spatial AKA Nuclear War/Ghost Planet... I like it...
Wally.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Jon Russell <jr.jonruss...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
LOL......very good. I wouldn't be keen Spatial AKA Orchestra either,
but it's a personal thing: experimental jazz just isn't for me. But at
least Dammers is doing something original with the track rather than
attempting to reproduce the original and failing miserably, which is
exactly what happened at Glastonbury
----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Russell To: 2-tone-forum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:49 PM
Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4 (26/6/2009)
this is what I disc'ed. Gangsters (in part) Rat Race Monkey Man Friday Night Saturday Morning man at C&A message to you rudy do nothing too much too young you're wondering now ghost town
but I think I missed 2 others.
when bass & guitar were messing about on stage you could hear them playing it wrong, which must mean that they are not match fit or good enough to lark about and not have if effect the sound. In general it wasn't bad, they didn't woo the crowd that much, perhaps Message to you rudy was the recognition high point, due to its use in adverts? The vocals sound strained, not the usual perfect pissed off disinterested Hall.
----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Greene To: 2-tone-forum@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 4:24 PM
Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4 (26/6/2009)
this is what I disc'ed.
Gangsters (in part)
Rat Race Monkey Man
Friday Night Saturday Morning
man at C&A message to you rudy
do nothing too much too young
you're wondering now
ghost town
but I think I missed 2 others.
when bass & guitar were messing about on stage you could hear them playing it wrong, which must mean that they are not match fit or good enough to lark about and not have if effect the sound. In general it wasn't bad, they didn't woo the crowd that much, perhaps Message to you rudy was the recognition high point, due to its use in adverts? The vocals sound strained, not the usual perfect pissed off disinterested Hall.
--- On Sun, 28/6/09, jason <ja...@2-tone.info> wrote:
From: jason <ja...@2-tone.info>
Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4 (26/6/2009)
To: "2-tone forum" <2-tone-forum@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 7:34 PM
On Jun 28, 6:05 pm, George Curran <seoirse...@yahoo.ie> wrote:
> Agreed Jason - though I thought that Concrete Jungle was even worse.
> Otherwise I thought they sounded great.
> George.
> ------------------------
I gave up half way through Monkey Man and tuned in again to get the
full horror of a lifeless clinical version of Too Much Too Young and
then the full horror that was Ghost Town.
I recorded mine using my DVD recorder and I came across an Audio
version that Includes Little Bitch and a couple of words from terry
that were not broadcast on BBC4. I enjoyed the set but I was pissed
they left out Stereotype because that's my favorite live track. the
other is Guns of Navarone which they haven't played so far. I'm
surprised so many people missed the Gig I thought everybody had Sky or
Freeview at this stage.
Funboy1
On Jun 29, 8:08 pm, George Curran <seoirse...@yahoo.ie> wrote:
> --- On Sun, 28/6/09, jason <ja...@2-tone.info> wrote:
> From: jason <ja...@2-tone.info>
> Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4 (26/6/2009)
> To: "2-tone forum" <2-tone-forum@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 7:34 PM
> On Jun 28, 6:05 pm, George Curran <seoirse...@yahoo.ie> wrote:
> > Agreed Jason - though I thought that Concrete Jungle was even worse.
> > Otherwise I thought they sounded great.
> > George.
> > ------------------------
> I gave up half way through Monkey Man and tuned in again to get the
> full horror of a lifeless clinical version of Too Much Too Young and
> then the full horror that was Ghost Town.
On Jun 30, 1:46 am, funboy <paulmflana...@eircom.net> wrote:
> I recorded mine using my DVD recorder and I came across an Audio
> version that Includes Little Bitch and a couple of words from terry
> that were not broadcast on BBC4. I enjoyed the set but I was pissed
> they left out Stereotype because that's my favorite live track. the
> other is Guns of Navarone which they haven't played so far. I'm
> surprised so many people missed the Gig I thought everybody had Sky or
> Freeview at this stage.
> Funboy1
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The BBC are getting value for the reported £1.5 million they paid for
Glastonbury because the gig was broadcast again on BBC Interactive
last night (Tues 30th). Still couldn't bring myself to watch it so
Holby City won the day.
I doubt you missed much. I use the Virgin version of BBC iPlayer to watch the Madness set and the picture quality was appalling it wasn't so much compressed as squashed flat!
So far of friends who were at Glastonbury and saw The Specials two reviews were very positive, the other guy said it was terrible and he wished he hadn't gone. He thought it one of the worst sets he's ever seen. He's not a massive Specials fan, but is big on Madness, so it certainly wasn't a dislike of the musical style that put him off.
----- Original Message ----- From: "jason" <ja...@2-tone.info>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4
(26/6/2009)
On Jun 30, 1:46 am, funboy <paulmflana...@eircom.net> wrote:
> I recorded mine using my DVD recorder and I came across an Audio
> version that Includes Little Bitch and a couple of words from terry
> that were not broadcast on BBC4. I enjoyed the set but I was pissed
> they left out Stereotype because that's my favorite live track. the
> other is Guns of Navarone which they haven't played so far. I'm
> surprised so many people missed the Gig I thought everybody had Sky or
> Freeview at this stage.
> Funboy1
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The BBC are getting value for the reported £1.5 million they paid for
Glastonbury because the gig was broadcast again on BBC Interactive
last night (Tues 30th). Still couldn't bring myself to watch it so
Holby City won the day.
On Jul 1, 10:49 am, "Paul Rodgers" <pled...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I doubt you missed much. I use the Virgin version of BBC iPlayer to watch
> the Madness set and the picture quality was appalling it wasn't so much
> compressed as squashed flat!
> So far of friends who were at Glastonbury and saw The Specials two reviews
> were very positive, the other guy said it was terrible and he wished he
> hadn't gone. He thought it one of the worst sets he's ever seen. He's not a
> massive Specials fan, but is big on Madness, so it certainly wasn't a
> dislike of the musical style that put him off.
BBC Interactive is an an entirely different beast to IPlayer. It's
viewed through your TV for a start.
'The Specials' may have the better songs but from what I saw of
Madness, the London boys were miles of them in terms of a live
performance.
I know what you mean about interactive now. I must check it more often. At the moment there seems to be an awful lot of tennis on it at present.
I access the iPlayer via Virgin Media on my V+ box. The picture quality on the Madness BBC 4 show was much worse on the catch up than on the original feed watched through the same box and telly on Sunday- my problem was it failed to record.
For me the biggest single difference between Madness and The Specials live (apart from the original members issue, which Madness frequently have had to address) is that Madness know how to please a crowd. The Specials seem only capable of pleasing their crowd. As others have suggested, this was best evinced when they played the one off the Walkers Crisps, TV Licensing, DirectGov and Pizza Hut adverts(http://www.songofthesalesman.co.uk/ad.aspx?psong=Message%20To%20You%2...) and everyone went mad!
Maybe they will pull it off, maybe they won't. I think the crowd were perplexed by being addressed by Neville, when it is perhaps Terry most of them would expect to introduce the songs.
We'll agree to differ over which band has the better songs! Yes the best of The Specials is probably better than the best of Madness, but Madness have so much more to choose from. Quite where The Specials go from here (apart from playing more of More Specials, obviously) I don't know. Madness could play an entirely different set list for years. Even their so called cabaret hits tours don't include all of the hit singles, let alone the couple that missed!
I am very glad to be discussing this music almost 30 years on from when I first discovered it, at an age where realistically my taste should have changed roughly every 6 months or so. Something must have been very right about it...
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Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:08 PM
Subject: [2-tone-forum] Re: The Specials set at Glastonbury / BBC4
(26/6/2009)
On Jul 1, 10:49 am, "Paul Rodgers" <pled...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I doubt you missed much. I use the Virgin version of BBC iPlayer to watch
> the Madness set and the picture quality was appalling it wasn't so much
> compressed as squashed flat!
> So far of friends who were at Glastonbury and saw The Specials two reviews
> were very positive, the other guy said it was terrible and he wished he
> hadn't gone. He thought it one of the worst sets he's ever seen. He's not > a
> massive Specials fan, but is big on Madness, so it certainly wasn't a
> dislike of the musical style that put him off.
BBC Interactive is an an entirely different beast to IPlayer. It's
viewed through your TV for a start.
'The Specials' may have the better songs but from what I saw of
Madness they were miles of them in terms of a live performance.
We'll agree to differ over which band has the better songs! Yes the
best of
The Specials is probably better than the best of Madness, but Madness
have
so much more to choose from. Quite where The Specials go from here
(apart
from playing more of More Specials, obviously) I don't know
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I thing the only thing this tour has done for the name of The Specials
is associate it with a word which it has never the case in 79 - 81.
And that word is predictable.