[RSPW.Net] '95 Con DVD - Available Again,lower price.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>Date: 6/26/2003 3:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns93A627B7...@216.168.3.44>
>
>After much discussion and soul-searching, I've made a final decision to
>continue offering the RSPW Convention 1995 DVD for sale via RSPW.Net.
JHD must have had dollar signs dancing in his head during sleepy time last
night.
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>Message-id: <Xns93A627B7...@216.168.3.44>
>
>After much discussion and soul-searching, I've made a final decision to
>continue offering the RSPW Convention 1995 DVD for sale via RSPW.Net.
>
>$15.50 anywhere in the US or Canada, $18 overseas - over a 30% decrease
>from the original asking price.
>
>I can't make it any cheaper; I'll be losing money. Hopefully, this
>demonstrates that my interest here is much more in getting this stuff into
>your hands than in making money on the deal.
>
>I don't want to go on and on right now about what's on this DVD; it's being
>discussed all over the group already, and I think I've been prety clear
>about it. This is NOT a home video of a bunch of geeks standing around in
>a bar - there is exclusive interview footage here with some of the biggest
>names in the business, and behnd the scenes stuff that not even Feinstein
>can offer - he doesn't *have* this tape. It's fully detailed at the
>website, and there's a 66-second .wmv available for broadband or modem if
>you want an idea of what you'll see on the tape.
>
>Also, this press release from RSPW.Net:
>
>TO: All Media
>FROM: John Henry, RSPW.Net President and COO
>
>"RSPW.Net President John Henry recently stood up at a board meeting and
>declared that CRZTV is dead, and will no longer be a part of RSPW
>programming."
>
>"Presumably, there will be no CRZ-TV elements used in future RSPW DVD's."
>
>If you're a wrestling fan - ESPECIALLY if you were an ECW fan - you cannot
>miss this DVD. At the risk of repeating myself repeating myself, *nobody*
>else is offering these interviews. Period.
>
>The DVD ships standard first-class mail and comes with a printed label and
>jewel case. Sorry, but for $13, I'd have to be a major studio to do better
>than that.
>
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STOP WHORING YOUR SITE ON RSPW! WE DONT CARE
I'M RICH BEEEYOTCH
Allan J. Benson
>>Subject: [RSPW.Net] '95 Con DVD - Available Again,lower price.
>>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>>Date: 6/26/2003 3:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <Xns93A627B7...@216.168.3.44>
>>
>>After much discussion and soul-searching, I've made a final decision to
>>continue offering the RSPW Convention 1995 DVD for sale via RSPW.Net.
>
> JHD must have had dollar signs dancing in his head during sleepy time last
> night.
Seriously, I don't see why people are bashing John
Henry over this. It's not like he's going to make
a huge profit. I'd wager he makes less than $100
off it, depending on the price.
The only thing I'd be concerned about is the fact
that all those oldtimers might find out about it
and get pissed somebody is selling a tape of them
to God knows who. I'm guessing the tape was made
as a momento for the RSPWers in attendence?
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DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>From: cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Allan J. Benson)
>Date: 6/26/2003 10:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <bdeuqv$4f4$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>
>
>DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake (petep...@aol.comgoaway) writes:
>>>Subject: [RSPW.Net] '95 Con DVD - Available Again,lower price.
>>>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>>>Date: 6/26/2003 3:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <Xns93A627B7...@216.168.3.44>
>>>
>>>After much discussion and soul-searching, I've made a final decision to
>>>continue offering the RSPW Convention 1995 DVD for sale via RSPW.Net.
>>
>> JHD must have had dollar signs dancing in his head during sleepy time last
>> night.
>
>Seriously, I don't see why people are bashing John
>Henry over this. It's not like he's going to make
>a huge profit. I'd wager he makes less than $100
>off it, depending on the price.
>
Well, I'm just joking about this stuff, basing it off of JHD's past attempts to
whore whatever product to make a little change. Although, to be perfectly
honest, I was joking about him making a buck a DVD, but how much was he making
per bumper sticker he sold, 30 cents? I wouldn't put it past him to try and
use this for profit, futile as it seems.
Hell, I put stuff up on eBay all the time, and most of it goes for not much
more than $2. Consider I'm paying 30 cents just to list it and then anothe 10
cents for eBay's cut, am I really making much off of it?
>The only thing I'd be concerned about is the fact
>that all those oldtimers might find out about it
>and get pissed somebody is selling a tape of them
>to God knows who. I'm guessing the tape was made
>as a momento for the RSPWers in attendence?
Good point. I might be annoyed if someone else was making a tape and
distributing it, either for profit or for free with my likeness on it, without
my permission. There might be someone who is embarassed by their appearance
on the video, whether because of their actions, or just a strange wish not to
be associated with wrestling anymore. It's not cool of Dejong to distribute
it without their permission.
BOB BARNETT
> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it having
> a problem with it.
Scherer is on it?
What's the URL?
Allan J. Benson
>>From: cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Allan J. Benson)
>>>>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>>>>After much discussion and soul-searching, I've made a final decision to
>>>>continue offering the RSPW Convention 1995 DVD for sale via RSPW.Net.
>>>
>>> JHD must have had dollar signs dancing in his head during sleepy time last
>>> night.
>>
>>Seriously, I don't see why people are bashing John
>>Henry over this. It's not like he's going to make
>>a huge profit. I'd wager he makes less than $100
>>off it, depending on the price.
>
> Well, I'm just joking about this stuff, basing it off of JHD's past attempts to
> whore whatever product to make a little change. Although, to be perfectly
> honest, I was joking about him making a buck a DVD, but how much was he making
> per bumper sticker he sold, 30 cents? I wouldn't put it past him to try and
> use this for profit, futile as it seems.
some money off bumper stickers he makes at home,
all the power to him, I say. It's capitalism at work.
> Hell, I put stuff up on eBay all the time, and most of it goes for not much
> more than $2. Consider I'm paying 30 cents just to list it and then anothe 10
> cents for eBay's cut, am I really making much off of it?
Maybe you should have a garage sale instead?
>>The only thing I'd be concerned about is the fact
>>that all those oldtimers might find out about it
>>and get pissed somebody is selling a tape of them
>>to God knows who. I'm guessing the tape was made
>>as a momento for the RSPWers in attendence?
>
> Good point. I might be annoyed if someone else was making a tape and
> distributing it, either for profit or for free with my likeness on it, without
> my permission. There might be someone who is embarassed by their appearance
> on the video, whether because of their actions, or just a strange wish not to
> be associated with wrestling anymore. It's not cool of Dejong to distribute
> it without their permission.
OTOH, would it even be possible to track down all
those people after all this time? Some of them
probably haven't been seen or heard from in at
least 5 to 8 years.
Allan J. Benson
> What is THAT, Allan J. Benson (cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>>>>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>>>>
>>>>to continue offering the RSPW Convention 1995 DVD for sale via
>>>>RSPW.Net.
>>>
>>> JHD must have had dollar signs dancing in his head during sleepy time
>>> last night.
>>
>> Seriously, I don't see why people are bashing John
>> Henry over this. It's not like he's going to make
>> a huge profit. I'd wager he makes less than $100
>> off it, depending on the price.
>>
>> The only thing I'd be concerned about is the fact
>> that all those oldtimers might find out about it
>> and get pissed somebody is selling a tape of them
>> to God knows who. I'm guessing the tape was made
>> as a momento for the RSPWers in attendence?
>
> people who weren't there picked it up.
Oh, well that's different then. I hope it's as successful
as you think it could be.
> The price on the DVD is $13 + shipping; the price for the original tape
> was $25. I'd say that's a damn good deal.
$25 for a homemade VHS cassette? That's quite insane.
$13 for the DVD isn't a bad price by comparison.
> Besides, it's THE VIDEO CRZ DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE~! I don't know WHY,
> but I think I'm going to keep saying that.
Yes, CRZ's rantings have made me curious (not the poster
with the name curious) as to the contents of this tape.
> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it having
> a problem with it.
Why Scherer?
John Henry
John Henry wrote:
>
> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it
having
> a problem with it.
>
Scherer is on it?
What's the URL?[/quote]
www.rspw.net
Posted via rspw.net
User455673
>> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it having
>> a problem with it.
>
>
>Scherer is on it?
>What's the URL?
>
If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I would think
that it's worth is really only to those who were involved with ECW and RSPW
back then, but then again, there's a really good talk with guys like
Sandman,Rocco, and Ed Zohn.And plenty of drunken hijinks.
CRZ shouldn't be the only one who might not want people to see that tape...
david lee t.
C The Shocker
news:20030626164637...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios,
Any relation to Sergio?
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Christopher Robin Zimmerman
John Henry <john...@lowgenius.com> wrote:
>THE VIDEO CRZ DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE~!
Again, Mr. "Never Let It Be Said I'm Not Accommodating," please leave my
name out of your shills. Thanks!
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D-Chance.
> Scherer is on it?
> What's the URL?
I don't think there's anything on there you
can blackmail him over, Bob... ;)
D-Chance.
Christopher Robin Zimmerman
>Yes, CRZ's rantings have made me curious (not the poster
>with the name curious) as to the contents of this tape.
"Rantings?" I think you're exaggerating.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if I was even in thirty seconds of footage taped
that weekend. I never bought the original tape; I have since traded for
both the Jim Thorpe and Double Tables shows and as a "WRESTLING FAN!" that's
*still* all I need from that weekend apart from the photos I took and the
r.s.p-w T-shirt and ECW cap I bought. (If you're really desperate, I could
provide you with links to scanned photos of me with an ECW tag belt, me with
Sandman or me with Public Enemy. I was a handsome devil back in 1995, I
promise you.)
Say, wanna talk about me some more? I LOVE TALKING ABOUT ME! :)
John Henry
> John Henry writes:
>> Yeah, but it was definitely SOLD, not given away, and
originally lots of
>> people who weren't there picked it up.
> Oh, well that's different then. I hope it's as successful as you
think it
> could be.
Me too. I think it will really take someon elike Zheroen or Yourself
or Otto or another "third party" that isn't seen as being in
"alliance" with me to pick up a copy and review it here before people
will really get into it.
>> The price on the DVD is $13 + shipping; the price for the
original tape
>> was $25. I'd say that's a damn good deal.
> $25 for a homemade VHS cassette? That's quite insane.
I think context and content is important here. It was 1995; to
perform the kinds of tasks I have with this DVD then would have cost
tens of thousands of dollars. It's important to remember that this
tape was recorded before every kid on the planet knew what kayfabe
was; this was even before (IIRC) the "I Respect You Bookerman" match
with Pillman in WCW. It would probably be pretty fair to say that
this tape is the prototype of all of those RF "shoot" videos. Now, 8
years later, people ahve come to expect that sort of thing and be
desensitized to it; in 1995, it was nothing short of a groundbreaking
insight into the wrestling business that was previously reserved to
workers within the business.
>> $13 for the DVD isn't a bad price by comparison.
>> Besides, it's THE VIDEO CRZ DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE~! I
don't
>> know WHY, but I think I'm going to keep saying that.
> Yes, CRZ's rantings have made me curious (not the poster
> with the name curious) as to the contents of this tape.
lol ME TOO. Near as I can guess, it's either the turtleneck, the
haircut, or the nametag. The only other thing I can think of is that
he's not in control of it and it's not being offered through his
site, but I have a hard time crediting CRZ with being THAT petty, in
spite of his rather insulting remarks the last few days.
>> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone
on it
>> havinga problem with it.
> Why Scherer?
Like I said in the other post (testing a new posting mechanism, in
case you didn't notice all the 'test' posts), I just have a gut
feeling that Dave would dislike anything that proves he was once an
RSPW'er.
Posted via rspw.net
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Message-id: <bdfhbh$djp$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>
>
>DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake (petep...@aol.comgoaway) writes:
>>>From: cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Allan J. Benson)
>>>DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake (petep...@aol.comgoaway) writes:
>>>>>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>>>>>
>>>>>After much discussion and soul-searching, I've made a final decision to
>>>>>continue offering the RSPW Convention 1995 DVD for sale via RSPW.Net.
>>>>
>>>> JHD must have had dollar signs dancing in his head during sleepy time
>last
>>>> night.
>>>
>>>Seriously, I don't see why people are bashing John
>>>Henry over this. It's not like he's going to make
>>>a huge profit. I'd wager he makes less than $100
>>>off it, depending on the price.
>>
>> Well, I'm just joking about this stuff, basing it off of JHD's past
>attempts to
>> whore whatever product to make a little change. Although, to be perfectly
>> honest, I was joking about him making a buck a DVD, but how much was he
>making
>> per bumper sticker he sold, 30 cents? I wouldn't put it past him to try
>and
>> use this for profit, futile as it seems.
>
>I don't see the connection. If the man can make
>some money off bumper stickers he makes at home,
>all the power to him, I say. It's capitalism at work.
The connection is, you yourself said that John would not be doing this for the
money because the actual profits would be miniscule. I pointed out that he
might just try that. For some reason, you just turned around andproved my
point by saluting him for making bumper stickers which would bring even less
profit. Which is it? Is he doing it because it makes monetary sense, or not?
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/26/2003 3:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <o0IKa.43$j4.4...@news.uswest.net>
>
>Allan J. Benson (cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>
>> Seriously, I don't see why people are bashing John
>> Henry over this.
>
>admitting that he's leaps and bounds ahead of them.
>
When's the wedding?
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/26/2003 4:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030626164637...@mb-m02.aol.com>
>
>>
>>> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it having
>>> a problem with it.
>>
>>
>>Scherer is on it?
>>What's the URL?
>>
>
>If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I would think
>that it's worth is really only to those who were involved with ECW and RSPW
>back then,
Seriously, I don't see the appeal of most of this tape. Other than getting
off on the fact RSPW was involved. I mean, does that really mean anything
considering that the actual RSPW'ers involved have left for greener pastures in
some cases 6 or 7 years ago? Where's the connection? To me at least, it'd be
like watching a home video of random people.
Now, if the tape contained Chad acting like a mong, Dink and John Henry in a
shoot match, and Tehawk in his Star Trek uniform, then shit, I think we'd be
interested.
But when Dejong starts doing the Don West sell about how we're gonna see CRZ
and Chris Palacios, etc., people are gonna go "Who?" You gotta know your
audience.
but then again, there's a really good talk with guys like
>Sandman,Rocco, and Ed Zohn.And plenty of drunken hijinks.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/26/2003 5:06 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns93A6ADA9C9C52jo...@216.168.3.44>
>
>What is THAT, User455673 (user4...@aol.com)? Is that a
>rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
>>>
>>>> having a problem with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Scherer is on it?
>>>What's the URL?
>>>
>>
>> If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I would
>> think that it's worth is really only to those who were involved with
>> with guys like Sandman,Rocco, and Ed Zohn.And plenty of drunken
>> hijinks.
>>
>> tape...
>
>I did't hink the average wrestling fan would be interested. There's a few
>bits I kept - Hisa and Chrispy doing the Fuji/Yokozuna promo, Ted Hobgood's
>moonsault, everyone on the bus singing "Real American" and the HTM theme -
>but for the most part, everything that wasn't interview footage (or footage
>from the bus getting stuck) is gone
So basically it's like watching a Star Trek convention (i.e., dorks acting like
dorks around other dorks).
Allan J. Benson
> Allan J. Benson <cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>>Yes, CRZ's rantings have made me curious (not the poster
>>with the name curious) as to the contents of this tape.
>
> "Rantings?" I think you're exaggerating.
I don't. You seem to be engaging in flame wars over
the distribution of 8 year old footage that was
already distributed anyway and likely only one
handful of people will probably buy.
Daniel Peck
(DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake) says
news:20030626173300...@mb-m11.aol.com:
this whole idea scares me
are there people on this newsgroup that take RSPW as seriously as John
Henry seemingly does?
Allan J. Benson
>>From: cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Allan J. Benson)
>>DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake (petep...@aol.comgoaway) writes:
>>>>From: cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Allan J. Benson)
>>>>DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake (petep...@aol.comgoaway) writes:
>>>>>>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>>>>
>>>>Henry over this. It's not like he's going to make
>>>>a huge profit. I'd wager he makes less than $100
>>>>off it, depending on the price.
>>>
>>> Well, I'm just joking about this stuff, basing it off of JHD's past
>>attempts to
>>> whore whatever product to make a little change. Although, to be perfectly
>>> honest, I was joking about him making a buck a DVD, but how much was he
>>making
>>> per bumper sticker he sold, 30 cents? I wouldn't put it past him to try
>>and
>>> use this for profit, futile as it seems.
>>
>>I don't see the connection. If the man can make
>>some money off bumper stickers he makes at home,
>>all the power to him, I say. It's capitalism at work.
>
>
> The connection is, you yourself said that John would not be doing this for the
> money because the actual profits would be miniscule. I pointed out that he
> might just try that. For some reason, you just turned around andproved my
> point by saluting him for making bumper stickers which would bring even less
> profit. Which is it? Is he doing it because it makes monetary sense, or not?
I don't think he is, but I don't see why you'd
criticize him for the bumper stickers either,
unless it's the shilling to RSPW, which I'll
agree can be a tad annoying in multi-post doses.
But of course, part of that is because of the
attention people who flame him for it give him.
Allan J. Benson
>>Subject: Re: [RSPW.Net] '95 Con DVD - Available Again,lower price.
>>From: user4...@aol.com (User455673)
>>Date: 6/26/2003 4:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <20030626164637...@mb-m02.aol.com>
>>
>>>> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it having
>>>> a problem with it.
>>>
>>>Scherer is on it?
>>>What's the URL?
>>
>>If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I would think
>>that it's worth is really only to those who were involved with ECW and RSPW
>>back then,
>
> Seriously, I don't see the appeal of most of this tape. Other than getting
> off on the fact RSPW was involved. I mean, does that really mean anything
> considering that the actual RSPW'ers involved have left for greener pastures in
> some cases 6 or 7 years ago? Where's the connection? To me at least, it'd be
> like watching a home video of random people.
I think the only real selling point are the ECW wrestlers,
but I doubt Vince would allow any match footage to be
included.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/26/2003 9:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns93A6DA44F897Cjo...@216.168.3.44>
>
>What is THAT, Chad Bryant (chadb...@bigfoot.com)? Is that a
>
>>
>>>> Christopher Robin Zimmerman (crzatrs...@spam.invalid) writes:
>>>>> Allan J. Benson <cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, CRZ's rantings have made me curious (not the poster
>>>>>>with the name curious) as to the contents of this tape.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rantings?" I think you're exaggerating.
>>>>
>>>> I don't. You seem to be engaging in flame wars over
>>>> the distribution of 8 year old footage that was
>>>> already distributed anyway and likely only one
>>>> handful of people will probably buy.
>>>
>>> Milne character, you'd be bitchy too.
>>
>> Oh, bother.
>>
>
>"Bother," said Pooh, as he lifted his leg on Christopher Robin.
I love petty shut-ins sniping at each other. It's like Lord of the Flies, only
with mentally retarded people.
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WWE: Wrestling made by morons for morons.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Message-id: <bdg6ui$ret$1...@freenet9.carleton.ca>
>
>DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake (petep...@aol.comgoaway) writes:
>>>Subject: Re: [RSPW.Net] '95 Con DVD - Available Again,lower price.
>>>From: user4...@aol.com (User455673)
>>>Date: 6/26/2003 4:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <20030626164637...@mb-m02.aol.com>
>>>
>>>>> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it having
>
>>>>> a problem with it.
>>>>
>>>>Scherer is on it?
>>>>What's the URL?
>>>
>>>If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I would
>think
>>>that it's worth is really only to those who were involved with ECW and RSPW
>>>back then,
>>
>> Seriously, I don't see the appeal of most of this tape. Other than
>getting
>> off on the fact RSPW was involved. I mean, does that really mean anything
>> considering that the actual RSPW'ers involved have left for greener
>pastures in
>> some cases 6 or 7 years ago? Where's the connection? To me at least,
>it'd be
>> like watching a home video of random people.
>
>I think the only real selling point are the ECW wrestlers,
>but I doubt Vince would allow any match footage to be
>included.
True. But that's the thing. Dejong never really promoted the matches. I
fully admit I may have overlooked this in his shill, but I don't remember any
matches being hyped.
All I remember is hype about shenanigans between RSPWers and an interview with
Rocco Rock. I also remember Dejong admitting that he pulled all the racy
stuff out of the video, which seems to go against the point of making it.
User455673
>>>
>>>> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it
>>>> having a problem with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Scherer is on it?
>>>What's the URL?
>>>
>>
>> If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I would
>> think that it's worth is really only to those who were involved with
>> with guys like Sandman,Rocco, and Ed Zohn.And plenty of drunken
>> hijinks.
>>
>> CRZ shouldn't be the only one who might not want people to see that
>> tape...
>
>I've cut out most of the drunken hijinks and "personal" type of stuff that
>I did't hink the average wrestling fan would be interested. There's a few
>bits I kept - Hisa and Chrispy doing the Fuji/Yokozuna promo,
>Ted Hobgood's
>moonsault, everyone on the bus singing "Real American" and the HTM theme -
Eh, Hobgood's moonsault really turned into Rocco's Drive by. Too bad the
snowstorm kept me from going out that Saturday,but somewhere in the back of my
closets sits the first RSPW Con t-shirt, that ought to be worth at least 75
cents.
>but for the most part, everything that wasn't interview footage (or footage
>from the bus getting stuck) is gone.
Eh, you cut out the bus breakdown? That was classic stuff; then again, like i
posted earlier, that tape meant more to those who were mutants back then.
>
>Some of the audio is on there, mostly of people talking about their first
>RSPW experience, but other than the stuff I mention above, pretty much
>everything of a personal nature from the RSPW'ers is gone, beyond maybe a
>few shots of them getting photos. I can't remember if I left the clip with
>Sandman calling Ollie Postlethwaite's gf a bitch in there or not.
>
One of the things I always remembered about the interviews was Rocco talking
about how ECW was growing too fast, and that their bodies couldn't handle that
style of wrestling for more than 2 days a week.
Oliver's girl truly stood out amongst the mutants.
>--
>John Henry
david lee t.
User455673
>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than him and possibly Scherer, I can't imagine anyone on it
>>>>>> having a problem with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Scherer is on it?
>>>>>What's the URL?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I
>>>> would think that it's worth is really only to those who were
>>>> involved with ECW and RSPW back then, but then again, there's a
>>>> really good talk with guys like Sandman,Rocco, and Ed Zohn.And
>>>> plenty of drunken hijinks.
>>>>
>>>> CRZ shouldn't be the only one who might not want people to see that
>>>> tape...
>>>
>>>I've cut out most of the drunken hijinks and "personal" type of stuff
>>>that I did't hink the average wrestling fan would be interested.
>>>There's a few bits I kept - Hisa and Chrispy doing the Fuji/Yokozuna
>>>promo,
>>
>>>Ted Hobgood's
>>>moonsault, everyone on the bus singing "Real American" and the HTM
>>>theme -
>>
>> Eh, Hobgood's moonsault really turned into Rocco's Drive by.
>
>case it was a huge chunk of snow ;-) I mark fo rthe Hobgood spot just
>because I ended up getting to know ted when I was hanging out around (and
>occasionally working for) OMEGA.
I always liked the skillet shots in the bus. Hobgood was/is a good guy, and his
attempts at the highspots were funny.
>
>> Too bad
>> the snowstorm kept me from going out that Saturday,but somewhere in
>> the back of my closets sits the first RSPW Con t-shirt, that ought to
>> be worth at least 75 cents.
>
>More'n this DVD is worth. Chrispy has unfortunately requested that I not
>sell it, and I have to honor that. He's since mailed me back explaining
>his position (rather than just a legal threat), which I dont' agree with
>but I understand; he promised Tod Gordon that he woudln't let anyone else
>sell the tape - IMO this is somewhat ridiculous since a) Tod left eCW
>long before they closed, b) ECW is dead and gone, and c) I'm sure that
>Tod had in mind more like selling it to a distribution company or someone
>else that wouldn't have the personal...respect for it that the RSPW crew
>did, but that's his decision and I'm not going to fight with him about
>it. I'd have been much less pissed if he'd said that FIRST rather than
>sending me an imperious legal threat, but c'est la vie. I suspect
>someone else prompted him into it anyway, he just doesn't impress me as
>being that big an asshole.
>
Chris is a very decent person. I don't know who spoke with him about this, but
I do remember back then him getting shit out here from some about selling the
tape.
>>>but for the most part, everything that wasn't interview footage (or
>>>footage from the bus getting stuck) is gone.
>>
>> Eh, you cut out the bus breakdown?
>
>No, you misread - I left the bus in, for sure. I mean, that's just
>classic shit - crazy enough that it broke down, but then to have PE pull
>up behind y'all out of the blue in a panel truck with the ring in it was
>over the top. Plus the thing Ed Zohn was talking about the next day, how
>they should have played it out on tape after Johnny disappeared for like
>15 minutes (showing them taking the wheels off the bus, or having
>everyone get back on and find out their credit cards and wallets were
>missing) was just...you can't write shit that funny.
>
If they had used that in a PE promo, that would've been hysterical. I can just
see it now, the guys on the bus looking for their credit cards to pay their
hotel bill, only to find them missing from their wallets, and the next scene
would be Johnny and Rocco trying to convince a local stereo store salesman that
they indeed are Eugene Stern and Big Vin.
>> That was classic stuff; then again,
>> like i posted earlier, that tape meant more to those who were mutants
>> back then.
>
>*nods* A shame that for some of them, it seems to represent more of a
>pivot for dickwaving than anything esle. Equally a shame that the
>current crowd just doesn't seem to have any understanding of how special
>that gig, and that time, really were.
It really was a ton of fun to be in Philly every three weeks,and having the
Cons. I don't understand why someone would get bent out of shape by having this
stuff being shown again.
> I mean, you say you've been
>lurking, surely you've seen the idiots that just boggle whenever you
>suggest that maybe someone in the business might actually READ RSPW, let
>alone have any respect or care about the fans here, and here I've got a
>tape with people - legends - like dreamer, sandman, richards, and even
>Bnoit (in his own fuckhead way ;-)) putting us over and breaking kayfabe
>like a pre-cut table.
I was mostly known for my chanting ideas in the bleachers back then,but I also
posted out here during that time, and used to love the stuff in RSPW. Yeah, the
flamewars were pretty stiff, but at least there was some interesting talk about
the wrestling scene that I don't see as much of here today.And of course, there
is always the classic Lano Files, right Bob? <g>Back then, ECW certainly took
the opinions of what the fans wrote and said, there is no disputing that.
>
>Still, the thing on it that stands out most for me is when Rocco was
>talking about the paid after matches - Scherer asks him how they get to
>sleep and he says "halcyons," which brings a laugh, but then he gets a
>little more serious and says something like "yeah, we take a little
>somethin sometimes to ease the pain..." and talks a few minutes about
>being hurt and dealing with it, and someone - Chrispy, I think, because
>it was right close to the camera - says "But it's worth it, right?" And
>Rocco looks dead into the camera with not the least bit of humor or
>hesitation and says "yeah it is." That really struck me, especially the
>irony that Rocco died going from one show to another, and that other show
>was (as I understand it) at the Bingo Hall. I had freeze-framed him and
>faded into a nice little memorial screen - RIP Ted Petty (something)
>1953-(something) 2002 (I forget the dates) - Thanks for making us your
>life's work - RSPW - but now nobody will ever see it.
I remember that part of the tape; in fact, after Rocco passed away, I pulled
out the tape to watch it again, and what he said really hit home. I would see
the guys after the shows sometimes, and there is no doubt that they broke their
bodies down to the point where they eventually took years off of their career.
Rocco was one who really seemed to "get it". he knew that the ECW style could
only be put out there so many days in a week.
>
>Oh well. Just making it was fun, for me. I'd have liked to get it out
>there, but that's the way it goes. Maybe with all this talk, Chrispy
>will come back and try to sell the original tape again.
>
One never knows. I've really fell out of watching wrestling nowadays,and I
haven't spoken to any of my buds from the bleachers for years now, so i don't
know their feelings about releasing this tape now.
>>>Some of the audio is on there, mostly of people talking about their
>>>first RSPW experience, but other than the stuff I mention above,
>>>pretty much everything of a personal nature from the RSPW'ers is gone,
>>>beyond maybe a few shots of them getting photos. I can't remember if
>>>I left the clip with Sandman calling Ollie Postlethwaite's gf a bitch
>>>in there or not.
>>>
>>
>> One of the things I always remembered about the interviews was Rocco
>> talking about how ECW was growing too fast, and that their bodies
>> couldn't handle that style of wrestling for more than 2 days a week.
>
>*nods* He made several ironic comments, in light of where they ended up,
>and by the end of it I was well and truly PISSED at McMahon for the way
>he jobbed them out in their only WWF appearance. So much for the rewards
>of paying your dues.
I'm just glad that Rocco got some good pay years to enjoy, I hope he spent
their money well.
>
>> Oliver's girl truly stood out amongst the mutants.
>
>muahaha, I think I kept the part with Sandman calling her a bitch ;-)
IIRC, he asked her who her favorite wrestler was. When she responded "Bret
Hart", his timing on his response was truly classic.
User455673
On the Con tape, there were no matches included, so there wouldn't be that
obstacle to overcome.
david lee t.
Stefan
news:uZQKa.142$8T6....@news.uswest.net...
> John Henry (john...@lowgenius.com) writes:
>
>> What's really sad is that PE actually got *two* runs in the WWF - they
> jobbed in the dark match at Survivor Series '95 to the Smoking Gunns (who
> were tag champs at that point) and took WCW's offer about two weeks later,
> when the WWF decided they didn't have a place for them.
First, a run isn't a dark macth. That is more like a stop by.
> So Vince basically had two shots to give those guys a chance to cash in on
> their hard work, and dropped the ball both times.
>
And second, hard work does not necessarily mean good work. Public Enemy
proved this.
Stefan
Alex Cain
"Daniel Peck" <Peckt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A738ADD517...@204.49.160.21...
> And when you squeeze his tummy, Chad Bryant <chadb...@bigfoot.com> says
> news:J2NKa.79$j4.7...@news.uswest.net:
>
> > Daniel Peck (Peckt...@yahoo.com) writes:
> >
> >> this whole idea scares me
> >>
> >> are there people on this newsgroup that take RSPW as seriously as John
> >> Henry seemingly does?
> >
> b)
> > its impact on the wrestling business, and c) what it could be again.
> >
> > You, of course, are d) ignorant.
> >
> > TYDT.
> >
>
> i'm not ignorant as much as I'm not delusional and I see the NG for what
> it truly is
>
> and I doubt that hawking $15 DVDs from a convention from years ago is
> going to help get this newsgroup to "where it could be"
>
The scary part is that Chad was serious
Alex Cain
"DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake" <petep...@aol.comgoaway> wrote in
message news:20030626172631...@mb-m11.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: [RSPW.Net] '95 Con DVD - Available Again,lower price.
> >From: Chad Bryant chadb...@bigfoot.com
> >Date: 6/26/2003 3:42 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <o0IKa.43$j4.4...@news.uswest.net>
> >
> >Allan J. Benson (cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> >
> >> Seriously, I don't see why people are bashing John
> >> Henry over this.
> >
> >Because for the usual cast of idiots, bashing John Henry is easier than
> >admitting that he's leaps and bounds ahead of them.
> >
>
> When's the wedding?
Happened awhile back. Why do you think Chad moved to Vegas?
Alex Cain
"John Henry" <john...@lowgenius.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A6E6241A94Fjo...@216.168.3.44...
> What is THAT, Allan J. Benson (cc...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
> >
>
> that so many people don't want us to see?"
Actually the real selling point is "The guy who's selling it is an idiot and
a flaming loon, let's have some fun and threaten him with legal action so we
can watch him cry like a baby."
Alex Cain
Chad. But that's about it.
Alex Cain
"DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake" <petep...@aol.comgoaway> wrote in
message news:20030626214132...@mb-m11.aol.com...
I bet we can guess which one is supposed to be Piggy
Alex Cain
> Daniel Peck (Peckt...@yahoo.com) writes:
>
> > this whole idea scares me
> >
> > are there people on this newsgroup that take RSPW as seriously as John
> > Henry seemingly does?
>
> its impact on the wrestling business, and c) what it could be again.
>
> You, of course, are d) ignorant.
>
> TYDT.
I feel sick after reading this
Alex Cain
> What is THAT, User455673 (user4...@aol.com)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>> having a problem with it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Scherer is on it?
> >>>>What's the URL?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> If it's the Con tape that was put out by Crispy Palacios, then I
> >>> would think that it's worth is really only to those who were
> >>> involved with ECW and RSPW back then, but then again, there's a
> >>> really good talk with guys like Sandman,Rocco, and Ed Zohn.And
> >>> plenty of drunken hijinks.
> >>>
> >>> CRZ shouldn't be the only one who might not want people to see that
> >>> tape...
> >>
> >>I've cut out most of the drunken hijinks and "personal" type of stuff
> >>that I did't hink the average wrestling fan would be interested.
> >>There's a few bits I kept - Hisa and Chrispy doing the Fuji/Yokozuna
> >>promo,
> >
> >>Ted Hobgood's
> >>moonsault, everyone on the bus singing "Real American" and the HTM
> >>theme -
> >
> > Eh, Hobgood's moonsault really turned into Rocco's Drive by.
>
> case it was a huge chunk of snow ;-) I mark fo rthe Hobgood spot just
> because I ended up getting to know ted when I was hanging out around (and
> occasionally working for) OMEGA.
>
> > the snowstorm kept me from going out that Saturday,but somewhere in
> > the back of my closets sits the first RSPW Con t-shirt, that ought to
> > be worth at least 75 cents.
>
> sell it, and I have to honor that. He's since mailed me back explaining
> his position (rather than just a legal threat), which I dont' agree with
> but I understand; he promised Tod Gordon that he woudln't let anyone else
> sell the tape - IMO this is somewhat ridiculous since
-snip-
What's ridiculous about it? He said not to sell it, and you are either
going to honor his request or you are going to get a lot of lawyers and
threats on your back that frankly everybody knows you would pussy out and
cowtow to. It's not your footage to sell in the first place anyway. Go
find another way to make rent money. I'd say sell your blood but nobody
would want it.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/27/2003 1:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <uZQKa.142$8T6....@news.uswest.net>
>
>John Henry (john...@lowgenius.com) writes:
>
>>> One of the things I always remembered about the interviews was Rocco
>>> talking about how ECW was growing too fast, and that their bodies
>>> couldn't handle that style of wrestling for more than 2 days a week.
>>
>> *nods* He made several ironic comments, in light of where they ended
>> up, and by the end of it I was well and truly PISSED at McMahon for
>> the way he jobbed them out in their only WWF appearance. So much for
>> the rewards of paying your dues.
>
>jobbed in the dark match at Survivor Series '95 to the Smoking Gunns (who
>were tag champs at that point) and took WCW's offer about two weeks later,
>point where the WWF's tag scene was the Gunns & whoever Owen Hart was
>teaming with at the time (might have been Yoko, but Bulldog turned heel in
>the fall just before Luger ran off to WCW, so it might have been him).
>
I don't think you could call a couple of tryout matches a run. THat's like
saying Benoit's current run is actually his second. If no one saw it, it
really can't be a run.
Poot Rootbeer
> sorry!
>
> "THE VIDEO THAT THE US-BASED RSPW-M MODERATOR DOESN'T WANT YOU TO
> SEE!"
WHAT THE HELL IS "RSPW-M"???
-Poot
never heard of it
Larry Bernard
"Poot Rootbeer" <po...@dork.com> wrote in message
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rspw-moderated
Archived Chad
>> And when you squeeze his tummy, Chad Bryant <chadb...@bigfoot.com>
>> says news:J2NKa.79$j4.7...@news.uswest.net:
>>
>>> Daniel Peck (Peckt...@yahoo.com) writes:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> are there people on this newsgroup that take RSPW as seriously as
>>>> John Henry seemingly does?
>>>
be,
>> b)
>>> its impact on the wrestling business, and c) what it could be again.
>>>
>>> You, of course, are d) ignorant.
>>>
>>> TYDT.
>>>
>>
>> what it truly is
>>
>> and I doubt that hawking $15 DVDs from a convention from years ago is
>> going to help get this newsgroup to "where it could be"
>>
Archived 2003 post where Daniel Peck <spanks> RSPW's resident tard