Please Consider The Free LowGenius.Com IE Toolbar
John Henry
I try not to shill my site too much, but I just snagged a pretty nifty bit
of technology that I"m trying to convince people to use. It's a free
LowGenius.Com toolbar - almost identical to the Google toolbar (made by the
same company, in fact, Alexa Internet, who I've also used to power my site
search for several years) - that includes a popup blocker, google-
disctionary-thesauraus-Amazon search, and some other nifty stuff (including
automatic whois information on most sites for you Cabal types (tanct)).
Why should you? It helps me out by raising my traffic rating when you
visit my site with the toolbar on, for one thing. For another, if you use
it to either search amazon or jump to amazon (there's an amazon button on
it) and then buy something, I get a small cut of the purchase price, which
helps me pay my server bill. It's painless, and doesn't do anything that
the Google toolbar doesn't do in terms of tracking your web surfing.
You can find out more about it, including my take on the privacy issues, as
well as a link to the download page (which has full disclosure regarding
privacy and tracking) at http://www.lowgenius.com/atb.asp
It's harmless and helps me out, plus it's a pretty darn cool tool to boot.
Thanks for considering it.
Followups set.
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Curtis Blofeld
> Hey, y'all.
>
> I try not to shill my site too much, but I just snagged a pretty nifty
> bit of technology that I"m trying to convince people to use. It's a
> free LowGenius.Com toolbar - almost identical to the Google toolbar
> (made by the same company, in fact, Alexa Internet, who I've also used
> to power my site search for several years) - that includes a popup
> blocker, google- disctionary-thesauraus-Amazon search, and some other
> nifty stuff (including automatic whois information on most sites for
> you Cabal types (tanct)).
>
> Why should you? It helps me out by raising my traffic rating when you
> visit my site with the toolbar on, for one thing. For another, if you
> use it to either search amazon or jump to amazon (there's an amazon
> button on it) and then buy something, I get a small cut of the
> purchase price, which helps me pay my server bill. It's painless, and
> doesn't do anything that the Google toolbar doesn't do in terms of
> tracking your web surfing.
>
> You can find out more about it, including my take on the privacy
> issues, as well as a link to the download page (which has full
> disclosure regarding privacy and tracking) at
> http://www.lowgenius.com/atb.asp
>
> It's harmless and helps me out, plus it's a pretty darn cool tool to
> boot. Thanks for considering it.
>
> Followups set.
>
You're a bigger prick than I thought.
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HitMan333
> I try not to shill my site too much
Liar. ;)
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<j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> got double secret probation because:
>Hey, y'all.
>
>I try not to shill my site too much, but I just snagged a pretty nifty bit
>of technology that I"m trying to convince people to use. It's a free
>LowGenius.Com toolbar - almost identical to the Google toolbar (made by the
>same company, in fact, Alexa Internet, who I've also used to power my site
>search for several years) - that includes a popup blocker, google-
>disctionary-thesauraus-Amazon search, and some other nifty stuff (including
>automatic whois information on most sites for you Cabal types (tanct)).
>
>Why should you? It helps me out by raising my traffic rating when you
>visit my site with the toolbar on, for one thing. For another, if you use
>it to either search amazon or jump to amazon (there's an amazon button on
>it) and then buy something, I get a small cut of the purchase price, which
>helps me pay my server bill. It's painless, and doesn't do anything that
>the Google toolbar doesn't do in terms of tracking your web surfing.
>
>You can find out more about it, including my take on the privacy issues, as
>well as a link to the download page (which has full disclosure regarding
>privacy and tracking) at http://www.lowgenius.com/atb.asp
>
>It's harmless and helps me out, plus it's a pretty darn cool tool to boot.
>Thanks for considering it.
>
>Followups set.
John, the *Alexa Internet*? How highly k00ky! Woo Hoooooooo!!!!
Powered By Scalar Technology From Alexa Internet!!!
Starshine Moonbeam
Henry"(j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy) dropped a +5 bundle of words...
> Hey, y'all.
>
> I try not to shill my site too much, but I just snagged a pretty nifty bit
> of technology that I"m trying to convince people to use. It's a free
> LowGenius.Com toolbar - almost identical to the Google toolbar (made by the
> same company, in fact, Alexa Internet, who I've also used to power my site
> search for several years) - that includes a popup blocker, google-
> disctionary-thesauraus-Amazon search, and some other nifty stuff (including
> automatic whois information on most sites for you Cabal types (tanct)).
>
> Why should you? It helps me out by raising my traffic rating when you
> visit my site with the toolbar on, for one thing. For another, if you use
> it to either search amazon or jump to amazon (there's an amazon button on
> it) and then buy something, I get a small cut of the purchase price, which
> helps me pay my server bill. It's painless, and doesn't do anything that
> the Google toolbar doesn't do in terms of tracking your web surfing.
>
> You can find out more about it, including my take on the privacy issues, as
> well as a link to the download page (which has full disclosure regarding
> privacy and tracking) at http://www.lowgenius.com/atb.asp
>
> It's harmless and helps me out, plus it's a pretty darn cool tool to boot.
> Thanks for considering it.
>
> Followups set.
>
>
I would but I don't install any toolbar. A lot of them are dogshit and
they'll wreck your browser. 2) A lot of toolbars are just nothing more
than dressed up spyware.
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Curtis Blofeld
news:Xns951BF2C593970jo...@216.168.3.44:
> Starshine Moonbeam, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm
> here.
>
>> I would but I don't install any toolbar. A lot of them are dogshit
>> and they'll wreck your browser. 2) A lot of toolbars are just nothing
>> more than dressed up spyware.
>
> Yeah, I got no problem with that, it's a free 'country.' I just found
> out that I could 'brand' one and make it available for download, and
> thought I'd tell people.
>
Hence the domain name.
Chooch
<j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> wrote:
>Hack-Man, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm here.
>
>> Just for grins, I checked for mentions of "Alexa" on pcmag.com
>>
>
>I notice that the articles are a couple of years old - perhaps some things
>have changed.
>
>In the interest of equal time, the following is the document which appears
>when you click the 'privacy information' button under the alexa icon on the
>toolbar:
>
>http://pages.alexa.com/help/privacy.html?p=TBMenu_W_t_40_L1
>
>There's a huge bunch of information here, but all it really says is that
>they gather information about web surfing pattenrs to analyze and build
>trending reports and website ranking statistics with.
>
>The rest of it - although some of it might *sound* invasive to the lay
>person (which I know you're not) - is the same information that I, you, or
>anyone else with a website collects in our server logs, whether we know it
>or not. Referrer path, url variables, ip address, browser brand+ version,
>OS version, screen resolution, etc.
>
>(I am now going to tell you a bunch of things you already know, for the
>benefit of other people who might be reading. Feel free to skip ahead to
>the last couple of paragraphs.)
>
>The average server log actualy collects much *more* information than this,
>right - for instance, I know what screen resolutions and color depths all
>of my visitors use, just like you do (or you might, if you bother to look).
>
>A cursory glance will tell me that certain people here are reading my site.
>For instance, I can take a second's look at my site logs and point to the
>last time Chad Bryant visited the site, because I know his ISP, and his ISP
>happens to code city information in their RDNS.
>
>Same thing with many of the other folks that I've known from here for a
>while - if I see 'no referrer' and a Baltimore IP, I'm pretty certain that
>Heelgod or Aeropo has visted my site, because they linked in from an e-mail
>or usenet message (hence 'no referrer') and I know that they both live in
>the Baltimore-DC area.
>
>Same with Dink or Signorelli or anyone else who I've seen in the chatroom
>often enough to know their ISP. I don't happen to know YOUR isp, but I've
>seen 'mpls' in RDNS records a few times and wondered if it was you, or
>maybe TentaclePorn...and BFD, right, I mean, it's not like this is
>information that I can hold against someone or sell to someone, it's just a
>minor point of interest when I'm looking over my server logs to analyze my
>'customer' traffic. "Hm, I got three hundred hits on my Morrowind
>Screenshot page from Google Searches for 'morrowind screenshots' this week.
>And hey, there's a hit from Tampa, Florida, on the VideoBase page...no
>referrer, they were looking at the stills from WMIII, wonder if it was
>TheSaxist?"
>
>That's a LOT more consideration and ability to identify individuals than
>this toolbar provides. Also a lot more than the vast majority of people
>realize is available, but - again, as you and I both know very well - this
>is all information that every site in the world collects and analyzes as a
>routine part of operations. I just happen to have a tightly-enough
>targeted 'customer' base that some of my 'customers' are identifiable to me
>on 'sight.'
>
>There is no such thing as anonymity on the internet, unless you're going
>through some anonymizing proxy service or something. I have a shell account
>at insurgent.org that I can surf the web through, which would only track me
>as far back as the box @ insurgent that I'm connected to (and I think
>there's only one). A webmaster wouldn't be able to say 'oh, this guy is
>using [my ISP],' only that I was using Insurgent.Org; you'd have to get
>Kevin Cannon to get off HIS server logs to know it was me, and he wouldn't
>even think of doing that without some kind of court order.
>
>I read my logs and use this information to determine what the majority of
>my users are experiencing when they visit my site - for instance, if 90% of
>my users are at 800x600 resolution, it would suck if I designed the page to
>have a hard-coded body table that was 900 pixels wide (as we discussed in
>another thread).
>
>I have also, a couple of times, used the information to identify the source
>of an attempted DOS attack (a pingflood directed at my domain) in order to
>lodge a complaint with the ISP who owned the source IP.
>
>The whole privacy policy @ Alexa is a CYA document, as all TOS documents
>are, but I think it's important to note that it says in CAPITAL LETTERS in
>the first couple of paragraphs, 'hey, we're sending information collected
>by this toolbar to Amazon. We're going to put some tracking cookies on
>your machine. This toolbar analyzes your surfing habits in order to
>collect and aggregate website useage statistics.' The claim that this is
>done 'without permission' is at best outdated.
>
>I ran Ad-Aware right after I installed the toolbar. This is the same
>proggie that Dvorak was putting over in the article you culled the 'trojans
>placed by Alexa' line from. It found a collection of registry keys which
>it tagged as data miners - which they unquestionably are, and I have no
>problem with that, given the transparency involved in terms of what data
>they're collecting (it's covered in *excruciating* detail in the privacy
>policy I linked to above). I've posted a log of those keys at
>www.lowgenius.com/adaware_alexa.htm.
>
>Characterizing this as a 'trojan,' IMO, is ridiculous. There is no
>keystroke logger; there is nothing that sends vital information (like
>passwords or credit card numbers, unless you're stupid enough to punch that
>info into a website that is SO poorly designed that it parses it into a URL
>variable...and I've never seen one that did) to mysterious strangers
>without your permission. Everything is clear, above-board, and accounted
>for in the privacy policy, which is incorporated into the software license
>that you're forced to read when you install.
>
>I understand that you're playing devil's advocate a bit here, and I
>appreciate it - if I saw something that made me feel like *I* wouldn't want
>to use it, I wouldn't hesitate to pull it from my site. I've got plenty of
>other ways to get traffic and make more effort to use my Amazon.Com
>affiliation to my advantage.
>
>Instead, I've taken the time to really look things over with a fine-tooth
>comb - moreso than I already had - and at this point all I can say is that
>I've lost some respect for John Dvorak. I don't care how well known the
>guy is, characterizing the software I'm looking at as a trojan is
>ridiculous - it's hype, intended to sell magazines and make the writer look
>1337. BackOrfice is a trojan. SubSeven is a trojan. WinNuke is a trojan.
>The Alexa branded toolbar is a benign data collector that helps Alexa sell
>commercial analysis services (such as how well a give online ad campaign is
>working) as well as providing free services to webmasters (like page
>ranking and traffic statistics). I'm more convinced than ever that there's
>nothing dangerous about it in the least.
>
>Someone else mentioned that it slowed down IE on his older machine, but
>hell, Norton Antivirus will do that, as will *any* toolbar. Norton AV
>actually inserts code into every web page you view on the fly. The Google
>toolbar will do the same thing.
>
>I guess according to Dvorak, that makes it a 'trojan' too.
>
>I'm not trying to be argumentative with you, Otto - you're one of the
>people here whose opinion I trust implicitly, and I genuinely appreciate
>the time you've taken to let me know about the *possibility* that this
>might be Not A Good Thing.
>
>After careful consideration, with the information I have at hand (including
>an eye-ball of every single registry key that shows up in that adaware
>report), I'm more convinced than ever that this thing is as harmless as it
>can possibly be and still function at all. I'm not trying to browbeat your
>or anyone else into using it - that's your choice - but I'd hate for
>someone to not use it simply because they're operating under the mistaken
>perception that it's 'spyware' or a 'trojan,' because it just plain isn't,
>not in the sense of 'those nasty things that people are afraid of - rightly
>so - on the internet.'
>
>Comparing this toolbar to a trojan is like comparing a sneeze to the final
>stages of AIDS. Dvorak should be ashamed of himself for writing such
>melodramatic nonsense.
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Rockboy
> Hey, y'all.
>
> I try not to shill my site too much, but I just snagged a pretty nifty bit
> of technology that I"m trying to convince people to use. It's a free
> LowGenius.Com toolbar - almost identical to the Google toolbar (made by the
> same company, in fact, Alexa Internet, who I've also used to power my site
> search for several years) - that includes a popup blocker, google-
> disctionary-thesauraus-Amazon search, and some other nifty stuff (including
> automatic whois information on most sites for you Cabal types (tanct)).
>
> Why should you? It helps me out by raising my traffic rating when you
> visit my site with the toolbar on, for one thing. For another, if you use
> it to either search amazon or jump to amazon (there's an amazon button on
> it) and then buy something, I get a small cut of the purchase price, which
> helps me pay my server bill. It's painless, and doesn't do anything that
> the Google toolbar doesn't do in terms of tracking your web surfing.
>
> You can find out more about it, including my take on the privacy issues, as
> well as a link to the download page (which has full disclosure regarding
> privacy and tracking) at http://www.lowgenius.com/atb.asp
>
> It's harmless and helps me out, plus it's a pretty darn cool tool to boot.
> Thanks for considering it.
Go fuck yourself.
You just summed up everything I hate about the internet. I don't use
Internet Explorer, I don't need to install browser wrecking toolbars, I
don't buy shit off of Amazon, I don't want to visit your god-damned
site, and I sure as hell don't want to pay your fucking server bill.
This the most insulting piece of self-indulgent bullshit I've ever seen.
Like I said, go fuck yourself.
--
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One day you'll wake up and they'll be
Advertising on police cars
±
"It's harmless"?
Hahahahaha.
>
> --
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>
> REPTILIAN WATCH WANTS TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN
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>
> And some other stuff
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The Saxist
>>referrer, they were looking at the stills from WMIII, wonder if it was
>>TheSaxist?"
It wasn't, and you will now be billed 3 cents for using my identitiy.
Thank you and Have a Nice Day.
--The Saxist
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The Saxist
>> It wasn't, and you will now be billed 3 cents for using my identitiy.
>>
>> Thank you and Have a Nice Day.
>
>readable geo information in their RDNS entries, it's just
>[HEXSTRING].ipt.aol.com
So...did you want that bill by U.S. Mail or Paypal?
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Nemesis
the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally able
to type out the following:
You are really one angry little pissant.
Here's a clue, if the Internet bothers you so much, try this novel
idea. Just stay away from it.
You probably won't be missed anyway since all you ever do in here is
ventilate your negative and hostile feelings without ever contributing
anything of interest.
--
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ICQ #4610826
Rockboy
> You are really one angry little pissant.
> Here's a clue, if the Internet bothers you so much, try this novel
> idea. Just stay away from it.
> You probably won't be missed anyway since all you ever do in here is
> ventilate your negative and hostile feelings without ever contributing
> anything of interest.
Speaking of contributing nothing of interest, don't you have some
shadows to chase?
Rockboy
> Rockboy, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm here.
>
>
>>Go fuck yourself.
>>
>>You just summed up everything I hate about the internet. I don't use
>>Internet Explorer, I don't need to install browser wrecking toolbars, I
>>don't buy shit off of Amazon, I don't want to visit your god-damned
>>site, and I sure as hell don't want to pay your fucking server bill.
>>
>>This the most insulting piece of self-indulgent bullshit I've ever seen.
>>
>>Like I said, go fuck yourself.
>
> Gee, over-react a little why don't you?
No. I spend enough time these days cleaning up shit like this off of
other people's computers. I figured someone like you would see the
danger in "Please Install My ABCXYZ Toolbar". Instead, I see you
contributing to the problem, not the solution.
And pay your own damn bills.
ViNNY
news:1Z_Fc.45$jr2....@news.uswest.net...
> "The Saxist" wrote:
>
> >>>And hey, there's a hit from Tampa, Florida, on the VideoBase page...no
> >>>referrer, they were looking at the stills from WMIII, wonder if it was
> >>>TheSaxist?"
> >
> >
> > It wasn't, and you will now be billed 3 cents for using my identitiy.
>
So if identity isn't worth anything, why is stealing it a crime?
-Vin
The Saxist
>
>Your identity and .75 will buy a coke.
You can get a Coke for 75 cents where you are?
Wow....
Rockboy
> Except unlike the 'shit like this' you clean up, I've gone out of my way
> to ensure that this bit of nothing is safe, effective, and harmless.
>
> If you're working in an office environment where this kind of shit isn't
> allowed, why don't you just stop milking the job and not allow your
> non-administrator users to install shit? If you're in that kind of
> position, you ought to be able to control your user permissions. If
> you're not, why 'clean shit like this up' at all, *unless* it *is*
> causing a problem, in which case it's not 'shit like this,' but an
> entirely different kind of shit - this shit doesn't cause problems.
>
> If you can't, or you're working in a PC Repair shop, just thank your
> lucky stars that 'shit like this' is keeping you employed.
Neither, it's just been a pretty steady side business over the past few
years. It's good for some spare cash, but it gets pretty tedious seeing
the exact same problems over and over and over. It starts out with "My
computer seems to be running slow," or, "I think I have a virus" and
when I take a look they're computer has 40% of it's resources free, 2000
infected files, 20 programs running in the System Tray, and 5 different
crappy toolbars running in IE.
> This isn't like someone installing AOL on a Novell network, where it'll
> create new virtual network adapters that bring the entire system down.
> It's not BackOrfice or a keylogger or even an ad server. It's just a
> little toolbar that collects anonymous usage statistics - just like
> winamp or the 'related items' button on IE. It's got a nice, small
> footprint, and it hurts nothing. So what's the problem?
The problem? It's been a ongoing battle for me educating people to
clean up their computers, and keep them clean, and then I see you
advocating dumping yet another privacy invading piece of shit on to them.
> If YOU don't want to use it, that's cool with me, man. You're free,
> white, and 21, do whatever you want. But there's just no good reason for
> calling me names and hurling profanities at me over it, although I
> confess I *did* get a chuckle out of it. Such vehemence!
Like I said, you're now part of the problem, not the solution. Oh well,
I guess it's more business for me.
Method Man
"John Henry" <j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> wrote in message
news:Xns951BC03ECD6C7jo...@216.168.3.44...
> Hey, y'all.
>
> I try not to shill my site too much, but I just snagged a pretty nifty bit
> of technology that I"m trying to convince people to use. It's a free
> LowGenius.Com toolbar - almost identical to the Google toolbar (made by
the
> same company, in fact, Alexa Internet, who I've also used to power my site
> search for several years) - that includes a popup blocker, google-
> disctionary-thesauraus-Amazon search, and some other nifty stuff
(including
> automatic whois information on most sites for you Cabal types (tanct)).
>
> Why should you? It helps me out by raising my traffic rating when you
> visit my site with the toolbar on, for one thing. For another, if you use
> it to either search amazon or jump to amazon (there's an amazon button on
> it) and then buy something, I get a small cut of the purchase price, which
> helps me pay my server bill. It's painless, and doesn't do anything that
> the Google toolbar doesn't do in terms of tracking your web surfing.
>
> You can find out more about it, including my take on the privacy issues,
as
> well as a link to the download page (which has full disclosure regarding
> privacy and tracking) at http://www.lowgenius.com/atb.asp
>
> It's harmless and helps me out, plus it's a pretty darn cool tool to boot.
> Thanks for considering it.
>
>
A crappy product for stupid internet users. Granted, there are a TON of
stupid internet users out there who will see something like "popup-blocker"
and immediately install your toolbar. If these people can't navigate
themselves on the net and need special buttons to take them places, then
might as well use them in some way to pay your server bills.
I won't start a big debate here, as I already believe web developers are the
"special ed" group of the programming world. If this helps out your cause,
then I say seriously, all the best to you!
Curtis Blofeld
> Method Man, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm here.
>
>> I won't start a big debate here, as I already believe web developers
>> are the "special ed" group of the programming world.
>
> Sorry, there just isn't much call for CP/M EDTASM anymore..
>
COBOL's coming back in a big way.
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Nemesis
<j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> with the help of a thousand monkeys
banging on keyboards, was finally able to type out the following:
>Rockboy, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm here.
>
>> Like I said, you're now part of the problem, not the solution. Oh
>well,
>> I guess it's more business for me.
>
>"Now?"
>
>Interestingly enough, you and I are in the same business. It's become
>standard operating procedure for me to tell my customers to buy Norton
>Internet Security and download Ad-Aware before I even bother looking at
>their computers.
>
>Personally, I think your logic is flawed. Just because there are bad
>toolbars out there or some people over-use them, doesn't mean they're all
>bad. As for 'privacy invading,' mooseflowers. This toolbar no more
>'invades' your 'privacy' than Winamp does - less so than RealPlayer or
>Windows Media Player. Even if you visit nothing but sites with URLs like
>15yearoldmarmosetblowjobs.com, the only thing the toolbar does is note
>that someone visited that site and uses that information to assign a
>traffic rank to it. No more, no less.
>
>It's like arguing that all forks are bad because Abdullah the Butcher
>once stabbed somebody with one. The days of web pages all being black-
>on-white Times New Roman text with graphics limited to <hr> tags are
>gone, and so are the days when the internet was primarily a non-profit
>concern.
>
>If I was as much a 'part of the problem' as you suggest, I'd be running
>those insipid credit card ads, banner exchanges, and popups. I'm not.
>THe Amazon probgram and the toolbar allow me to take advantage of
>commercial opportunities *without* whoring myself out to every f'n adserv
>on the planet. I could just as easily go the 1Bob route and make money
>*just because people go to my site, without their permission.* I don't.
>That, to me, constitutes an acceptible level of integrity in
>webmastering. You obviously disagree, and that's your right, but I still
>think that you're overreacting.
I think he was traumatized by an out of control toolbar.
Nemesis
the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally able
to type out the following:
>Nemesis wrote:
>
>> You are really one angry little pissant.
>> Here's a clue, if the Internet bothers you so much, try this novel
>> idea. Just stay away from it.
>> You probably won't be missed anyway since all you ever do in here is
>> ventilate your negative and hostile feelings without ever contributing
>> anything of interest.
>
>Speaking of contributing nothing of interest, don't you have some
>shadows to chase?
Yawn, very weak, but then again we've come to expect that of you.
Method Man
"Curtis Blofeld" <ki...@killkill.org> wrote in message
news:Xns951D3428...@207.14.113.17...
> John Henry <j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> wrote in
> news:Xns951D3BD00BB2Cjo...@216.168.3.44:
>
> > Method Man, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm here.
> >
> >> I won't start a big debate here, as I already believe web developers
> >> are the "special ed" group of the programming world.
> >
> > Sorry, there just isn't much call for CP/M EDTASM anymore..
> >
>
> COBOL's coming back in a big way.
>
> --
In about 5 years, using an app like Dreamweaver will be considered
"programming". Damn shame.
frosty
[snip]
> I won't start a big debate here, as I already believe web developers
> are the "special ed" group of the programming world.
Microsoft's .NET says "Hi!"
--
frosty
Rockboy
> Rockboy, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm here.
>
>
>>Like I said, you're now part of the problem, not the solution. Oh
>
> well,
>
>>I guess it's more business for me.
>
>
> "Now?"
>
> Interestingly enough, you and I are in the same business. It's become
> standard operating procedure for me to tell my customers to buy Norton
> Internet Security and download Ad-Aware before I even bother looking at
> their computers.
>
> Personally, I think your logic is flawed. Just because there are bad
> toolbars out there or some people over-use them, doesn't mean they're all
> bad. As for 'privacy invading,' mooseflowers. This toolbar no more
> 'invades' your 'privacy' than Winamp does - less so than RealPlayer or
> Windows Media Player. Even if you visit nothing but sites with URLs like
> 15yearoldmarmosetblowjobs.com, the only thing the toolbar does is note
> that someone visited that site and uses that information to assign a
> traffic rank to it. No more, no less.
It's a kludge. Just one more needlessly installed piece of shit. Now
what was that marmoset website again?
Curtis Blofeld
@read1.cgocable.net:
Will be?
That cat who got $20,000,000 in funding to develop that Phantom game
console lists skills on his resume such as Windows Media Player and
RealAudio.
Starshine Moonbeam
dropped a +5 bundle of words...
I don't see it that way. You need monkeys to hook up the machines and you
need monkeys to make the pretty pictures and make the site something that
someone wants to see. The web's just that big now that you can accomodate
both. Web design does take some creativity that let's face it, a lot of
networking guys just don't have in them.
--
Starshine Moonbeam
Method Man
"John Henry" <j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> wrote in message
> Starshine Moonbeam, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm
> here.
>
> used waferboard and some old solder, but they couldn't make even a
> remotely nice-looking website to save their lives. Same goes for
> 'programmers' - great, you can write your own comm protocols in C, but
> can you make them easy and fun to use for the 3.3 billion computer users
> on the internet that *aren't* propellerheads?
>
> Bottom line is that everyone is prejudiced toward what they do.
> Networking guys think programmers are idiots, programmers think web
> designers are idiots, web designers think graphic designers are idiots,
> graphic designers think desktop support guys are idiots, desktop support
> thinks the networking guys are idiots, and the Unix geeks think
> *everybody's* an idiot unless they compile their own kernels three times
> a week.
>
> It's all just part of that natural human desire to be better than the
> next guy, somehow. Having come up into the world of computers through
> TRSDOS, BASIC, and EDTASM for the Z-80, goofing around on the PETs and
> C64s, MSDOS, GW-BASIC, and then moving into Visual Basic and Access, and
> finally now into web development, I feel pretty confident and validated
> in saying that mastering any of these things - or even becoming fairly
> proficient at them - isn't necessarily any harder than the next, just
> different. I've forgotten programming skills that most people don't even
> know ever existed - the fact that I knew those things in 1982 doesn't
> make me any better or worse than you or Krusty or Chad Bryant or Rockboy
> or anyone else. Just means that's what I was interested in at the time.
> Then I found girls and got uninterested in it for a while ;-)
>
> Personally, I don't really give a rat's ass if I *ever* learn how to
> write a transmission protocol or read CPU registries in hexadecimal on
> the fly - I just want to enjoy what I'm doing and maybe share some fun or
> information with other people while I'm at it. That hardcore low-level
> shit just isn't for me, it's not what I enjoy doing. "Hey, look, I can
> come up with 4 million ways to fry an Intel processor with a single
> keystroke, boy those things suck!"
>
> Meh.
>
> I enjoy doing what I do. If I'm real lucky, I'll get good enough that I
> can make a few bucks doing it. And if choosing to concentrate on web
> development and design means that 'Method Man' here thinks I'm a piker,
> well, gee, I guess I'll have myself a good cry and get the hell over it.
> --
> John Henry
> www.lowgenius.com
> "They...give up their lives so that we can be free. It is...their gift to
> us. And all they ask...is that we never send them into harm's way unless
> it is absolutely necessary. Will they ever trust us again?" - Michael
> Moore, 'Farenheit 9-11'
> Remove the SPAMBLOCK and organize an orgy to reply by e-mail
Well I didn't call you a "piker" (not even sure what that really means). I
think if you enjoy what you do and make $$ off it, then more power to you.
[see last paragraph]
Personally, if I was offered $80k/year by a company in these times to do web
development, I'd sure as hell take it. Deep down though, I'd know I'm
selling myself out as I'm sure my skills could be used in more purposeful
ways. By "purposeful", I mean tasks that require more than just a highschool
diploma and a copy of "ASP for Dummies".
Shit, some prostitutes make more money than the top programmers at
Microsoft. Doesn't make their job legit or respectable. But if they're happy
sucking dick, then who am I to tell them to quit.
Bairman
<j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> wrote:
>> I don't see it that way. You need monkeys to hook up the machines and
>> you need monkeys to make the pretty pictures and make the site
>> something that someone wants to see. The web's just that big now that
>> you can accomodate both. Web design does take some creativity that
>> let's face it, a lot of networking guys just don't have in them.
>
>I agree with this. I know guys that could build routers from a chunk of
>used waferboard and some old solder, but they couldn't make even a
>remotely nice-looking website to save their lives.
Networking is analytical, where web design is creative. At least
that's the way I see it. I've done both so I have the experience to
speak from, but being much more analytical than creative, web design
will never be more than a hobby for me. Networking, however, is what
currently pays the bills and buys the beer.
--
Bairman
Peter J Ross
You're quite right. Only people who can write
<html>
<head>
<title>My Page</title>
</head>
<body>
<p><blink>Hello world!</blink></p>
</body>
</html>
in *Windows Notepad* are *real* programmers.
And if they can write it in gvim they're *gurus*.
;-)
--
PJR :-)
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Peter J Ross
rec.sport.pro-wrestling,alt.usenet.kooks you wrote:
> Subject: Please Consider The Free LowGenius.Com IE Toolbar
Sorry, John, but (a) I don't use IE, (b) the first thing I do in any
browser is disable all toolbars except the one that has the back and
forward buttons, and (c) although lowgenius.com is a GOOD THING,
spyware isn't, and unless you can show me the source code I'll
continue to assume that anything from alexa.com is spyware.
Bairman
>John Henry <j...@inSPAMBLOCKsurgent.orgy> wrote:
>| Hack-Man, you know who I am. But you don't...know why...I'm here.
>|
>| > Peter J Ross <gad...@NOSPAMmeow.org> wrote:
>| >| You're quite right. Only people who can write
>| >|
>| >| <html>
>| >| <head>
>| >| <title>My Page</title>
>| >| </head>
>| >| <body>
>| >| <p><blink>Hello world!</blink></p>
>| >| </body>
>| >| </html>
>| >|
>| >| in *Windows Notepad* are *real* programmers.
>| >
>| > LOL (only because I wrote all 700 MB at Hack-Man.com using Notepad)
>|
>| You, my friend, are a masochist (or unutterably cheap ;-))
>
>I tried FrontPage and a couple other SW packages designed for...
>designing web pages, but they all seemed too "yoooooser friendly".
>They seemed like they'd be fine for people who didn't know what they
>were doing (or didn't want to bother learning HTML tags, etc) but
>for people who knew what they wanted to do, it just made the job
>*harder*--so I went back to NotePad.
IAWTP
Keep it simple.
--
Bairman