[META] Help stop this troll invasion.......
BalooBlue
Chad's fat ass and Johns alleged fascination with molesting his own daughter,
Choad wants to return and take the group away from it's current wrestling based
orientation and destroy it with flame wars. You see the retard is just starved
for attention,and now he regrets saying goodbye to RSPW, because it's the only
people that ever paid attention to him in his entire, pathetic life (well
besides the woman who married him for a green card). Here is the message below
(courtesy of http://members.tripod.com/rspwflame/index.html)
Well, well, well. Just a few days after my departure from RSPW, and the place
already has gone to shit. Same inane drivel from the UA and DamNation, and
those douchebags in the "Workrate Cru" are "closing" threads, like they have
some sort of power.
(ed. note: they at leat post about wrestling, something Chad never did)
As the Franchise of RSPW, what should I do? Return and help save the group, or
just let it go? Opinions are welcome. This is not a closed thread, only pussies
pull that kind of shit.
Chad Bryant, Franchise of RSPW
SO make sure you head over to http://members.tripod.com/rspwflame/index.html
and let him know that his trolling is not welcome here. If he does decide to
come back and troll (like he always does, he never posts about wrestling)
contact his ISP with every off topic message, it's also his place of employment
so perhaps it's time for CHOAD to learn the same lesson Kelleher taught the
net(mydaughtersa)bastard.
Sincerely an concerned lurker!
IJobForKFC
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Gancarski
>Is this the return of John Henry?
Well, the return of Chad Bryant. Same thing, really.
......................
Tony Gancarski : Workrate Cru
(Of ESPN Radio and Ollie's Wrestling Resources fame)
"Whose deep insights we are supposed to admire and to whom we must happily
assign the right to control our lives" -- Chomsky on The Cru
Bairman
>KFC writes:
>
>>Is this the return of John Henry?
>
>Well, the return of Chad Bryant. Same thing, really.
You've got a lotta nerve talking about anyone. You're just a troll who
pretends to talk about wrestling. It's sad, really. In an effort to
get through to people who couldn't give a rat's ass about workrate,
you've managed to alienate people who liked to read your stuff.
Unless, of course, that was your intention. Then I'd say you're an
incredible success. Still a troll, but a success at it...
-- Bairman
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DamNam 316
>From: b...@microserve.net (Bairman)
>Date: 5/29/99 1:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time
>Message-id: <37553d7d...@news.microserve.net>
How can you pretend to like wrestling?
RIP OWEN
DamNam 3:16 " The blood of hatred, stains through my clothes and on to my skin
and the humanity of rage and strength, appears to grow stronger within."
DamNation CorporatioN
Damien Cain
Gancarski
>On 29 May 1999 18:42:29 GMT, ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) wrote:
>
>>KFC writes:
>>
>>>Is this the return of John Henry?
>>
>>Well, the return of Chad Bryant. Same thing, really.
>
>You've got a lotta nerve talking about anyone. You're just a troll who
>pretends to talk about wrestling.
How can one 'pretend' to talk about wrestling? I have quite a history of RSPW
hierarchy posts, the vast majority of which are wrestling posts. By vast
majority, I mean over 95%. Cru Posts mention workrate; ergo, they are wrestling
posts.
> It's sad, really. In an effort to
>get through to people who couldn't give a rat's ass about workrate,
>you've managed to alienate people who liked >to read your stuff.
Well, there's always ths issue of post-by-post discretion on what to read or
not to read. I appreciate the belated message of your affinity for my stuff,
but the fact is my opinions re: wrestling haven't changed. If anything, The Cru
takes an active rather than passive position re: workrate advocacy.
This position is quite common in all venues af art and literary criticism. I
recommend the New Directions edition of William Carlos Williams' essays or any
of bell hooks' work as examples of how one's aesthetic can be universal and
deeply personal.
>Unless, of course, that was your intention. Then I'd say you're an
>incredible success. Still a troll, but a success >at it...
We aren't trolling. Sorry if all your thinking is so paradigmatic.
Tony Gancarski : Workrate Cru
My anemic tapelist: http://hometown.aol.com/gancarski/myhomepage/index.html.
bai...@my-deja.com
ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) wrote:
>How can one 'pretend' to talk about wrestling?
By wrapping claims of dedication to workrate-related wrestling
discussion around thinly-veiled personal attacks upon the populace of
this newsgroup? You know, if you'd cut the Cru shit and actually
discuss wrestling like you used to, perhaps you wouldn't be so
universally loathed here. But then again, trolls don't care about such
things, do they?
>I have quite a history of RSPW hierarchy posts,
>the vast majority of which are wrestling posts.
>By vast majority, I mean over 95%. Cru Posts
>mention workrate; ergo, they are wrestling posts.
That was then; this is now. You *used* to discuss wrestling; now you're
a troll. I, for one, am not impressed. But then again, trolls don't
care about such things, do they?
> Well, there's always ths issue of post-by-post
>discretion on what to read or not to read.
I believe that's the classic Troll Cop-Out, is it not?
>I appreciate the belated message of your affinity for
>my stuff, but the fact is my opinions re: wrestling
>haven't changed.
Perhaps not. But your *style* has changed -- for the worse.
>If anything, The Cru takes an active rather than
>passive position re: workrate advocacy.
Rationalize all you like -- you're still a troll.
>This position is quite common in all venues af art
>and literary criticism. I recommend the New Directions
>edition of William Carlos Williams' essays or any of
>bell hooks' work as examples of how one's aesthetic can
>be universal and deeply personal.
...and still a troll.
> We aren't trolling. Sorry if all your thinking is so paradigmatic.
Paradigmatic? How very nineties of you... :-P
-- Bairman
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bai...@my-deja.com
damn...@aol.comDAMNED (DamNam 316) wrote:
> How can you pretend to like wrestling?
I don't *pretend* to like wrestling. I truly do.
But what I actually said was, pretend to *talk* about wrestling. Read a
few Cru posts and you'll see what I mean.
Gancarski
>(DamNam 316) wrote:
>
>> How can you pretend to like wrestling?
>
>I don't *pretend* to like wrestling. I truly do.
>
>But what I actually said was, pretend to *talk* about wrestling. Read a
>few Cru posts and you'll see what I mean.
But here's the thing you miss. Look at Cru posts. In the last couple of days,
we've covered Bret Hart's Grief. We've posited that Dean Malenko is the Son Of
God. WCWSN Workrate Report is here and accounted for. Our opinions have been
made known about Rasmussen's Nitro Report. Et al.
Instead of making unsupported assertions, friend whom I've never heard of,
perhaps you should go through the recent Cru posts and see if they in fact meet
the rigorous standards of this newsgroup. The only people posting much
_interesting_ about wrestling at this moment is The Cru and Brownstein's folks.
I haven't seen many of your wrestling posts of late; they either aren't there
or aren't interesting.
As far as trolls go, it is The Cru's position that they should be banned in the
USA, as noted fin de siecle logician Luther Campbell would word it. They should
be strung up by their intestines and forced to read DVDVRs 1-10, then assigned
the grueling task of diagramming the sentences within. The Cru stands with all
right-minded people in opposing the Troll Invasion.
Tony Gancarski : Workrate Cru
'trolls on the glen are consorting again the liberals say they don't exist but
i know they do reinforce your literal ass hit it on the first or second pass
frozen images suspended few type slowly'- Steve Malkmus.
bai...@my-deja.com
ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) wrote:
>As far as trolls go, it is The Cru's position that they should be
>banned in the USA, as noted fin de siecle logician Luther Campbell
>would word it. They should be strung up by their intestines and forced
>to read DVDVRs 1-10, then assigned the grueling task of diagramming
>the sentences within. The Cru stands with all right-minded people in
>opposing the Troll Invasion.
A lofty and admirable stance, to be sure. But why the need for personal
attacks and all of the extraneous bullshit? Why not *just* post about
wrestling if that is, in fact, what is of importance to you?
The Bogus Prophet
>ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) wrote:
>>As far as trolls go, it is The Cru's position that they should be
>>banned in the USA, as noted fin de siecle logician Luther Campbell
>>would word it. They should be strung up by their intestines and forced
>>to read DVDVRs 1-10, then assigned the grueling task of diagramming
>>the sentences within. The Cru stands with all right-minded people in
>>opposing the Troll Invasion.
>
>A lofty and admirable stance, to be sure. But why the need for personal
>attacks and all of the extraneous bullshit? Why not *just* post about
>wrestling if that is, in fact, what is of importance to you?
Barry, you do realize that you're playing the role of the "straight man"
here or, to put it into a wrestling context, the naive commentator
a la Vince McMahon ca. 1976 who, upon questioning a heel about his "rule
breaking" ways and getting classic Albanospeak in return, continues
trying to get an honest answer to no avail.
Hmmm, Albanospeak. I think I've just coined a new term. :-)
>-- Bairman
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Gancarski
>bai...@my-deja.com writes:
>>ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) wrote:
>>>As far as trolls go, it is The Cru's position that they should be
>>>banned in the USA, as noted fin de siecle logician Luther Campbell
>>>would word it. They should be strung up by their intestines and forced
>>>to read DVDVRs 1-10, then assigned the grueling task of diagramming
>>>the sentences within. The Cru stands with all right-minded people in
>>>opposing the Troll Invasion.
>>
>>A lofty and admirable stance, to be sure. But why the need for personal
>>attacks and all of the extraneous bullshit? Why not *just* post about
>>wrestling if that is, in fact, what is of importance to you?
>
>Barry, you do realize that you're playing the role of the "straight man"
>here or, to put it into a wrestling context, the naive commentator
>a la Vince McMahon ca. 1976 who, upon questioning a heel about his "rule
>breaking" ways and getting classic Albanospeak in return, continues
>trying to get an honest answer to no avail.
What rules are we breaking? People refer to some sort of "heel turn" that
Snowden and I have made, when in reality we've always stood stalwart against
assorted idiocies in the RSPW hierarchy. We like for arguments to be
substantiated and for ringwork to be paramount in wrestling discussion. Now
just because pro-workrate people give themselves a moniker, the majority
assumes that there's been any philosophical change in either Jon or me.
As you of all people know, Mike, that's not the case. I got on you for being
Doctor Meta months ago. It's only recently that The Cru stepped into RSPW and
decided to promote workrate and logic over the fluff that was ubiquitous before
our emergence.
bai...@my-deja.com
bok...@netcom.com (The Bogus Prophet) wrote:
> Barry, you do realize that you're playing the role of the
> "straight man" here or, to put it into a wrestling context,
> the naive commentator a la Vince McMahon ca. 1976 who, upon
> questioning a heel about his "rule breaking" ways and getting
> classic Albanospeak in return, continues trying to get an
> honest answer to no avail.
Won't be the first time. Certainly won't be the last.
You resemble those remarks as well, BP...
> Hmmm, Albanospeak. I think I've just coined a new term. :-)
I'll try to remember to use it regularly, right along with
"oomphatically" and "rectumbent"... ;-)
-- Bairman
_______________________
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The Bogus Prophet
>Mike Palij writes:
>>bai...@my-deja.com writes:
>>>ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) wrote:
>>>>As far as trolls go, it is The Cru's position that they should be
>>>>banned in the USA, as noted fin de siecle logician Luther Campbell
>>>>would word it. They should be strung up by their intestines and forced
>>>>to read DVDVRs 1-10, then assigned the grueling task of diagramming
>>>>the sentences within. The Cru stands with all right-minded people in
>>>>opposing the Troll Invasion.
>>>
>>>A lofty and admirable stance, to be sure. But why the need for personal
>>>attacks and all of the extraneous bullshit? Why not *just* post about
>>>wrestling if that is, in fact, what is of importance to you?
>>
>>here or, to put it into a wrestling context, the naive commentator
>>a la Vince McMahon ca. 1976 who, upon questioning a heel about his "rule
>>breaking" ways and getting classic Albanospeak in return, continues
>>trying to get an honest answer to no avail.
>
One who purports to speak with wisdom should do so with humility. After
your "15 minutes of fame" on ESPN and your inclusion of your "spokesperson's
role" in your sig, I think most wrestling fans could see that what you were
doing was pimpin' yerself. I know, I know, "pimpin' yerself" isn't easy, and
that's why you have Jon the Don helping you out. But really, who do you
think this Albanospeak is fooling?
>People refer to some sort of "heel turn" that
>Snowden and I have made, when in reality we've always stood stalwart against
>assorted idiocies in the RSPW hierarchy.
"Idiocies"? Oh, like the trolls and lame efeds that are used to get one
over? Funny, looks to me like the 2 of U are just out to have fun at the
expense of the average pro-wrestling fan. Of course, being the good
citizens that U 2 R, you decide to go after the fans instead of the felons
in the RSPW hierarchy.
>We like for arguments to be substantiated
So do a lot of people, so far you're not very different from the typical
wrestling fan.
>and for ringwork to be paramount in wrestling discussion.
Well, of course, this is where the trolling comes in, I mean *after*
kicking folks down while they're grieving. Kick 'em when they're up,
kick em when they're down...
>Now
>just because pro-workrate people give themselves a moniker, the majority
>assumes that there's been any philosophical change in either Jon or me.
Everything's different, I haven't changed. Yeah, Tony, you and Jon the Don
haven't changes. I mean, it's kinda like when Vince ripped off the
hardcore/T&A gimmickry from ECW, this really didn't represent any radical
philosophical change in him either. He is first and foremost a money-grubbing
businessman who will lie, cheat, and steal whenever he has to in order to
make a buck or to stop someone else from making a buck. He's, y'know, scum.
So I agree with you and Jon and Don, I see you guys the same way.
>As you of all people know, Mike, that's not the case. I got on you for being
>Doctor Meta months ago. It's only recently that The Cru stepped into RSPW and
>decided to promote workrate and logic over the fluff that was ubiquitous before
>our emergence.
That's, and I mean this with all sincerity, very white of you.
>Tony Gancarski : Workrate Cru
Gancarski
badmouthin' the Cru! WHIPASS!
Palij writes:
>>What rules are we breaking?
>
>One who purports to speak with wisdom should do so with humility. After
>your "15 minutes of fame" on ESPN and your inclusion of your "spokesperson's
>role" in your sig, I think most wrestling fans could see that what you were
>doing was pimpin' yerself.
Yes, and with a huge dollop of irony. Anyone who knows my creative work,
whether it be what I do on Ollie's site, my fiction or music journalism, or
what I contribute to RSPW and Da Mod as part of the beloved Cru, knows that
there's a lot of self-referential irony in it. I'm just that sorta fin de
siecle guy, Meta M.
> I know, I know, "pimpin' yerself" isn't easy, and
>that's why you have Jon the Don helping you out. But really, who do you
>think this Albanospeak is fooling?
Does it matter? People on RSPW have accepted me as I am/ have been for years.
The Cru won't change that. Nor will it change that condition for Jon. People
dig The Cru. Hence all the offshoots, all over this blessed NG.
>>People refer to some sort of "heel turn" that
>>Snowden and I have made, when in reality we've always stood stalwart against
>>assorted idiocies in the RSPW hierarchy.
>
>"Idiocies"? Oh, like the trolls and lame efeds that are used to get one
>over?
As Jon has said, we couldn't resist the utter idiocy of Cavanagh's e-fed. Sorry
if the official version is too tame for you, Proph, but it be the truth.
And The Cru doesn't troll. We don't call your posts trolls, even though they
rarely graze upon wrestling. In fact, we think you're Cru Associate In Training
material.
> Funny, looks to me like the 2 of U are just out to have fun at the
>expense of the average pro-wrestling fan. >Of course, being the good
>citizens that U 2 R, you decide to go after the fans instead of the felons
>in the RSPW hierarchy.
Who is this "average pro-wrestling fan", by the way? Even people who've
disparaged the Cru on JHD's page have engaged in wrestling threads with it
within the last day (Amdur, WCWSN Report). We might have a bit of that
rockunroll attitude, vis a vis encouraging people to post about workrate, but
when push comes to shove we bring it and have brought it for years.
You can't say the same. And what's with the Prince references in that
paragraph? I have a Master's in English and Jon goes to a pretty decent law
school, so I hope you aren't disparaging our educations. And, lest we forget,
I've represented the online community on ESPN Radio.
>>We like for arguments to be substantiated
>
>So do a lot of people, so far you're not very different from the typical
>wrestling fan.
Again with this typical fan. I'd like to meet him.
>>and for ringwork to be paramount in wrestling discussion.
>
>Well, of course, this is where the trolling comes in, I mean *after*
>kicking folks down while they're grieving. Kick 'em when they're up,
>kick em when they're down...
Ah. So my admission of wrongdoing wasn't enough for you? Jeez, Mike.
One would think you'd be man enough to accept what I said, given the hell you
raised to get an apology out of me. What I said was sincere, but that's not
enough for you.
>>Now
>>just because pro-workrate people give themselves a moniker, the majority
>>assumes that there's been any philosophical change in either Jon or me.
>
>Everything's different, I haven't changed. Yeah, Tony, you and Jon the Don
>haven't changes. I mean, it's kinda like when Vince ripped off the
>hardcore/T&A gimmickry from ECW, this really didn't represent any radical
>philosophical change in him either. He is first and foremost a
>money-grubbing
>businessman who will lie, cheat, and steal whenever he has to in order to
>make a buck or to stop someone else from >making a buck. He's, y'know, scum.
Cru=SCUM? Cru= LIARS?
You're lucky (in a sense) that you have such little credibility that your
statements don't even have the force of bathroom-wall libel.
>So I agree with you and Jon and Don, I see >you guys the same way.
Wow. There is no reasoning with you, Meta Mike. I've never called you scum.
Jeez.
>>As you of all people know, Mike, that's not the case. I got on you for being
>>Doctor Meta months ago. It's only recently that The Cru stepped into RSPW
>and
>>decided to promote workrate and logic over the fluff that was ubiquitous
>before
>>our emergence.
>
>That's, and I mean this with all sincerity, very >white of you.
Thank you. What an utterly 70s joke. And not in that camp Fox way either. I
love how you break the barriers down, turning the stepin fetchit routines of
network sitcoms from a generation before to your own ends.
Ripclawe
>From: ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski)
>And, lest we forget,
>I've represented the online community on ESPN Radio.
you also lied on ESPN radio about vince telling the results of the accident on
RAW that night. great job!!!
>Ah. So my admission of wrongdoing wasn't enough for you? Jeez, Mike.
you did it on purpose, come on. you trolled to get heat. At least admit it
instead of lying again. one thing about Wutang and PeteKOF, they trolled and
admitted it right up front.
>One would think you'd be man enough to accept what I said, given the hell you
>raised to get an apology out of me. What I said was sincere, but that's not
>enough for you.
again, I have serious doubts about this, to write what you posted would take an
incredible amount of no class and no thinking. I mean not once while typing,
you didn't realize what you were saying? You have a degree in English, you have
no excuse.
>Cru=SCUM? Cru= LIARS?
some members seem to be.
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Ripclawe writes, in his way:
>>Help stop this
>>From: ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski)
>
>>And, lest we forget,
>>I've represented the online community on ESPN Radio.
>
>you also lied on ESPN radio about vince telling the results of the accident
>on
>RAW that night. great job!!!
As I said, the impression I had gotten from the press conference was that Vince
was going to reveal the results of the investigation on Monday's Raw. The
interview was given at 5AM Monday, so I assumed that Vince was going to do what
I thought he said.
>
>>Ah. So my admission of wrongdoing wasn't enough for you? Jeez, Mike.
>
>you did it on purpose, come on. you trolled to get heat. At least admit it
>instead of lying again. one thing about Wutang and PeteKOF, they trolled and
>admitted it right up front.
I was very serious about what I said in Lemmings, re: people discovering a love
for Owen they previously didn't have. That point was reiterated in Mea Culpa. I
still stand by that point. The caveat I have made and stand by is that my
mistake was lumping everyone in with Owen's newfound legions of fans. That was
regrettable, though if you took it that personally I suggest you take my
picture down from your mirror, chum.
>>One would think you'd be man enough to accept what I said, given the hell
>you
>>raised to get an apology out of me. What I said was sincere, but that's not
>>enough for you.
>
>again, I have serious doubts about this, to write what you posted would take
>an
>incredible amount of no class and no thinking. I mean not once while typing,
>you didn't realize what you were saying? You have a degree in English, you
>have
>no excuse.
If you say so. I ask no quarter. I'm just reiterating what I said for all the
Cru Fans just tuning in.
[As a side note, there's something heartwarming about an alliance between Palij
and you. Both of you being Associate in Training material and all...]
>>Cru=SCUM? Cru= LIARS?
>
>some members seem to be.
Oooh! Burn! Cold Shot!
Well, you know what you can do. You can stay out of Cru threads instead of
toadying around and trying to get into even the outer circle. Besides, summer's
here, and you need to catch up on your Oprah's Book Club selections, so run
along. And while you're at it, why don't you check out a selection of Black
Tiger matches and compare them to Eddy sans mask, with an aim toward seeing
whether the mask affected his work. If so, how?
Kristina L. Kendall and Jonathan Snowden
> expense of the average pro-wrestling fan. Of course, being the good
> citizens that U 2 R, you decide to go after the fans instead of the felons
> in the RSPW hierarchy.
So, following this rationale we should begin targeting YOU for a
conversion to the forces of all that is good and holy: workrate. After
all, you are the biggest troll on the newsgroup. So Mike, please, let's
talk wrestling.
Do you watch wrestling? It isn't clear from your posts whether or not
you do. If so, which wrestlers do you enjoy? What do you feel is the
best match you've ever seen? Do you dip into the puroresu pool or focus
your attention primarily on the American scene?
I have complete confidence in you Mike. I KNOW in my heart that you can
be a good poster here! Of I didn't believe in your potential you
wouldn't have been offered the Associate position. Just put your mind to
it! Soon you to will be a respected and on-topic poster!
J.S.
Cru Leader
Tehawk
(Mike Kelle"SCUM") mumbled incoherently:
>Look you AOL dumbfuck, my Baloo screenname did not blow. This must be
>Chad or DeJong trying to give themselves an excuse to come back to the
>group, because they're the only ones whose lives are so pathetic that
>they have a list of my previous screen names. Pretty sad.
>
>Kelle"SCUM"
I'm neither of them, but I remember you posting as Baloo and as
foghorn.
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The Bogus Prophet
>Hey! That fancy-pants Moderatin' Fella Meta Mike is back in RSPW! And he's
>badmouthin' the Cru! WHIPASS!
>
>Palij writes:
>>>What rules are we breaking?
>>
>>One who purports to speak with wisdom should do so with humility. After
>>your "15 minutes of fame" on ESPN and your inclusion of your "spokesperson's
>>role" in your sig, I think most wrestling fans could see that what you were
>>doing was pimpin' yerself.
>
>Yes, and with a huge dollop of irony. Anyone who knows my creative work,
>whether it be what I do on Ollie's site, my fiction or music journalism, or
>what I contribute to RSPW and Da Mod as part of the beloved Cru, knows that
>there's a lot of self-referential irony in it. I'm just that sorta fin de
>siecle guy, Meta M.
Irony, eh. *scratches chin* I gotta remember that one in case I ever
decide to work someone.
>> I know, I know, "pimpin' yerself" isn't easy, and
>>that's why you have Jon the Don helping you out. But really, who do you
>>think this Albanospeak is fooling?
>
>Does it matter? People on RSPW have accepted me as I am/ have been for years.
>The Cru won't change that.
Seems to me that some people have taken a distinct dislike to your "Workrate
Cru" stuff while they liked more of your previous postings. But as you say,
what does it matter?
>Nor will it change that condition for Jon. People
>dig The Cru. Hence all the offshoots, all over this blessed NG.
Well, you have to admit that a "Workrate Cru" gimmick on RSPW is a pretty
goofy thing, sure to inspire other goofy gimmicks. Hell, even I was
considering a "Jobrate Cru" posting, but I sobered up.
>>>People refer to some sort of "heel turn" that
>>>Snowden and I have made, when in reality we've always stood stalwart against
>>>assorted idiocies in the RSPW hierarchy.
>>
>>"Idiocies"? Oh, like the trolls and lame efeds that are used to get one
>>over?
>
>As Jon has said, we couldn't resist the utter idiocy of Cavanagh's e-fed. Sorry
>if the official version is too tame for you, Proph, but it be the truth.
*shrug*
>And The Cru doesn't troll. We don't call your posts trolls, even though they
>rarely graze upon wrestling.
*shrug*
>In fact, we think you're Cru Associate In Training material.
Thanks, Jon the Don has already invited me to join via email. I'll take a
pass. However, I do have a couple of positions in the Bokononist missionary
campaign that might be just right for the a crew of two. The upside is that
you get to profit from associating with a high profile organizaiton like
the Church of Bokonon. The downside is that people will confuse you with
those guys who shill the Watchtower.
>> Funny, looks to me like the 2 of U are just out to have fun at the
>>expense of the average pro-wrestling fan. >Of course, being the good
>>citizens that U 2 R, you decide to go after the fans instead of the felons
>>in the RSPW hierarchy.
>
>Who is this "average pro-wrestling fan", by the way? Even people who've
>disparaged the Cru on JHD's page have engaged in wrestling threads with it
>within the last day (Amdur, WCWSN Report). We might have a bit of that
>rockunroll attitude, vis a vis encouraging people to post about workrate, but
>when push comes to shove we bring it and have brought it for years.
For years? Give me a break. The Cru gimmick has only been going on for what?
Two weeks?
>You can't say the same. And what's with the Prince references in that
>paragraph? I have a Master's in English and Jon goes to a pretty decent law
>school, so I hope you aren't disparaging our educations.
Perish the thought that I would disparage your educational achievements,
which are so clearly on display here for all to see.
BTW, that's irony.
>And, lest we forget, I've represented the online community on ESPN Radio.
Please, I'm trying hard to repress it.
>>>We like for arguments to be substantiated
>>
>>So do a lot of people, so far you're not very different from the typical
>>wrestling fan.
>
>Again with this typical fan. I'd like to meet him.
Try talking *to* people here or on rspw.mod, instead of *donw* to them,
and you'll find a lot of typical fans.
>>>and for ringwork to be paramount in wrestling discussion.
>>
>>Well, of course, this is where the trolling comes in, I mean *after*
>>kicking folks down while they're grieving. Kick 'em when they're up,
>>kick em when they're down...
>
>Ah. So my admission of wrongdoing wasn't enough for you? Jeez, Mike.
I think it's the continuing gimmick that is offensive. Realizing when
you've crossed a line with it and then hastily retreating afterwards
doesn't redeem it.
>One would think you'd be man enough to accept what I said, given the hell you
>raised to get an apology out of me. What I said was sincere, but that's not
>enough for you.
Now that is is IRONY.
>>>Now
>>>just because pro-workrate people give themselves a moniker, the majority
>>>assumes that there's been any philosophical change in either Jon or me.
>>
>>Everything's different, I haven't changed. Yeah, Tony, you and Jon the Don
>>haven't changes. I mean, it's kinda like when Vince ripped off the
>>hardcore/T&A gimmickry from ECW, this really didn't represent any radical
>>philosophical change in him either. He is first and foremost a
>>money-grubbing
>>businessman who will lie, cheat, and steal whenever he has to in order to
>>make a buck or to stop someone else from >making a buck. He's, y'know, scum.
>
>Cru=SCUM? Cru= LIARS?
Of course not, Tony, I was just saying that you and Jon were like the
McMahons in that they haven't made any philosophical change in their
approach to wrestling. See? I'm sorry if you misinterpreted what I
said, Master's in English and all.
>You're lucky (in a sense) that you have such little credibility that your
>statements don't even have the force of bathroom-wall libel.
Tsk, tsk, Tony, you misinterpret my intent and go on to accuse me of libel.
Now, who is exaggerating things?
>>So I agree with you and Jon and Don, I see >you guys the same way.
>
>Wow. There is no reasoning with you, Meta Mike. I've never called you scum.
>Jeez.
Y'know, BRAH, sometimes one doesn't have to come right out and say something
to know what they're cooking. I think your attitude is pretty plain to see.
>>>As you of all people know, Mike, that's not the case. I got on you for being
>>>Doctor Meta months ago. It's only recently that The Cru stepped into RSPW
>>and
>>>decided to promote workrate and logic over the fluff that was ubiquitous
>>before
>>>our emergence.
>>
>>That's, and I mean this with all sincerity, very >white of you.
>
>Thank you. What an utterly 70s joke. And not in that camp Fox way either. I
>love how you break the barriers down, turning the stepin fetchit routines of
>network sitcoms from a generation before to your own ends.
And you show your lack of understanding of the great Mandala, the great
wheel of being and non-being, ever-turning, coming back to its begining
and seeing it for the first time, that is, the guiding force behind
wrestling gimmicks. Yea, there truly is nothing new under the sun.
For your arrogance and insouciance, you should make a comprehensive
listing of everyone who has used the "object of desire" gimmick, as
currently ensconced in the Val Venis character.
>Tony Gancarski : Workrate Cru
>'trolls on the glen are consorting again the liberals say they don't exist but
>i know they do reinforce your literal ass hit it on the first or second pass
>frozen images suspended few type slowly'- Steve Malkmus.
To give life you must take life,
and as our grief falls flat and hollow
upon the billion-blooded sea
I pass upon serious inward-breaking shoals rimmed
with white-legged, white-bellied rotting creatures
lengthily dead and rioting against surrounding scenes.
Dear child, I only did to you what the sparrow
did to you; I am old when it is fashionable to be
young; I cry when it is fashionable to laugh.
I hated you when it would have taken less courage
to love.
As the sparrow, Charles Bukowski
John Proulx
not "Gruel". Now _that_ would've been funny.
Tony Gancarski, Workrate Grue. Watch out when you're watching wrestling
with the lights out.
John Proulx
Jeff Amdur
> ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) writes:
> >'trolls on the glen are consorting again the liberals say they don't
exist but
> >i know they do reinforce your literal ass hit it on the first or second pass
> >frozen images suspended few type slowly'- Steve Malkmus.
>
>
> To give life you must take life,
> and as our grief falls flat and hollow
> upon the billion-blooded sea
> I pass upon serious inward-breaking shoals rimmed
> with white-legged, white-bellied rotting creatures
> lengthily dead and rioting against surrounding scenes.
> Dear child, I only did to you what the sparrow
> did to you; I am old when it is fashionable to be
> young; I cry when it is fashionable to laugh.
> I hated you when it would have taken less courage
> to love.
> As the sparrow, Charles Bukowski
"Let us remember that revolutions do not always establish freedom"
Millard Fillmore, unnamed speech during his presidential term
"This nourishment is palatable"
Millard Fillmore, on his deathbed, 1874
"How do you say 'taco' in Spanish?"
One of my Spanish I students, 1986
"Cette lecon vaut bien un fromage, sans doute"
Jean de la Fontaine, Le Corbeau et le Renard
"Ich bin der Doktor Eisenbart, zwilli, willi wick, bum, bum."
Old German drinking song
"I'm all out of quotes"
Amdur, 6/1/99, 8:09 pm
--
Jeff Amdur
Quality foreign language instruction since 1971 (Oy, gevalt! THAT long?!?)
Quality timekeeping for sports events since 1973
The Bogus Prophet
>bok...@netcom.com (The Bogus Prophet) wrote:
>> ganc...@aol.compromise (Gancarski) writes:
>
>exist but
>> >i know they do reinforce your literal ass hit it on the first or second pass
>> >frozen images suspended few type slowly'- Steve Malkmus.
>>
>>
>> To give life you must take life,
>> and as our grief falls flat and hollow
>> upon the billion-blooded sea
>> I pass upon serious inward-breaking shoals rimmed
>> with white-legged, white-bellied rotting creatures
>> lengthily dead and rioting against surrounding scenes.
>> Dear child, I only did to you what the sparrow
>> did to you; I am old when it is fashionable to be
>> young; I cry when it is fashionable to laugh.
>> I hated you when it would have taken less courage
>> to love.
>> As the sparrow, Charles Bukowski
>
>Millard Fillmore, unnamed speech during his presidential term
>
>"This nourishment is palatable"
>Millard Fillmore, on his deathbed, 1874
>
>"How do you say 'taco' in Spanish?"
>One of my Spanish I students, 1986
>
>"Cette lecon vaut bien un fromage, sans doute"
>Jean de la Fontaine, Le Corbeau et le Renard
>
>"Ich bin der Doktor Eisenbart, zwilli, willi wick, bum, bum."
>Old German drinking song
>
>"I'm all out of quotes"
>Amdur, 6/1/99, 8:09 pm
"WWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Ric Flair, Any Damn Time He Pleases & Owen Hart, After Ribbing
the Angels
>--
>Jeff Amdur
>Quality foreign language instruction since 1971 (Oy, gevalt! THAT long?!?)
>Quality timekeeping for sports events since 1973
Gancarski
>Anyone who knows my creative work,
>>whether it be what I do on Ollie's site, my fiction or music journalism, or
>>what I contribute to RSPW and Da Mod as part of the beloved Cru, knows that
>>there's a lot of self-referential irony in it. I'm just that sorta fin de
>>siecle guy, Meta M.
>
>Irony, eh. *scratches chin* I gotta remember that one in case I ever
>decide to work someone.
Where's The Work? There was no work in our argument about wrestling posts being
akin to literary criticism, was there? Was there a work in the recent Cru
tributes to Owen and Eddy?
>Seems to me that some people have taken a distinct dislike to your "Workrate
>Cru" stuff while they liked more of your previous postings. But as you say,
>what does it matter?
Well, those people rarely engaged in threads with me anyway. RSPW and RSPWM is
a discussion group, and when your paths don't cross with those of other folks,
it's hard to put a ton of credence into them saying that they once liked my
postings. No offense intended to anyone in that group, mind, but no one I
consider a friend on here has emailed me and asked me where I went wrong.
And if they had, you're right, it doesn't matter that much. When The Cru runs
its course, I won't be all of a sudden 'redeemed'.
>Well, you have to admit that a "Workrate Cru" gimmick on RSPW is a pretty
>goofy thing, sure to inspire other goofy gimmicks. Hell, even I was
>considering a "Jobrate Cru" posting, but I >sobered up.
How is its gimmickry more overt than that of the NCO or the Death Valley Playaz
Troupe?
>I'll take a
>pass. However, I do have a couple of positions in the Bokononist missionary
>campaign that might be just right for the a crew of two. The upside is that
>you get to profit from associating with a high profile organizaiton like
>the Church of Bokonon. The downside is that people will confuse you with
>those guys who shill the Watchtower.
Do we get polyester suits?
>>when push comes to shove we bring it and have brought it for years.
>
>For years? Give me a break. The Cru gimmick has only been going on for
>what?
>Two weeks?
Snowden and I are longtime contributors to the RSPW family.
>Try talking *to* people here or on rspw.mod, instead of *donw* to them,
>and you'll find a lot of typical fans.
I talk to people all the time. The threads I start, from the maddeningly
popular WCWSN Report to other one-offs, are chock full of rasslin discussion.
>>Ah. So my admission of wrongdoing wasn't enough for you? Jeez, Mike.
>
>I think it's the continuing gimmick that is offensive. Realizing when
>you've crossed a line with it and then hastily retreating afterwards
>doesn't redeem it.
I would've posted the Lemmings post regardless of whether or not The Cru
existed. Even before my descent into gimmickry, I've been capable of rash and
regrettable statements. Undoubtedly, I'll pick up my teeth again in the future.
So be it.
>
>>One would think you'd be man enough to accept what I said, given the hell
>you
>>raised to get an apology out of me. What I said was sincere, but that's not
>>enough for you.
>
>Now that is is IRONY.
See above.
>>Cru=SCUM? Cru= LIARS?
>
>Of course not, Tony, I was just saying that you and Jon were like the
>McMahons in that they haven't made any philosophical change in their
>approach to wrestling.
What does that mean, Proph?
>>You're lucky (in a sense) that you have such little credibility that your
>>statements don't even have the force of bathroom-wall libel.
>
>Tsk, tsk, Tony, you misinterpret my intent and go on to accuse me of libel.
>Now, who is exaggerating things?
Sorry, Mistah Blacklist. I wouldn't want to assume any ill will from you, not
after the past, current, and future exchanges.
>
>>Wow. There is no reasoning with you, Meta Mike. I've never called you scum.
>>Jeez.
>
>Y'know, BRAH, sometimes one doesn't have to come right out and say something
>to know what they're cooking. I think your >attitude is pretty plain to see.
What is my attitude? Are you saying I don't respect you as a poster? Well, that
is mostly true. Though I admit it took courage to post that anecdote about your
parent.
Tony Gancarski : Workrate Cru
--sullying the reputation of the RSPW hierarchy since the mid-90s.
-- known worldwide for his music journalism and incisive rasslin commentary.
The Bogus Prophet
>Meta Mike writes:
> [snip]
>
>>
>>>Wow. There is no reasoning with you, Meta Mike. I've never called you scum.
>>>Jeez.
>>
>>Y'know, BRAH, sometimes one doesn't have to come right out and say something
>>to know what they're cooking. I think your attitude is pretty plain to see.
>
Condescension. The condescending attitude that was present in your posting
attacking peoples' response to Owen death.
>Are you saying I don't respect you as a poster? Well, that is mostly true.
At this point in time, I consider ourselves even.
>Though I admit it took courage to post that anecdote about your parent.
No, Tony, posting it didn't take courage, going through it and getting
over it did.