[RSPW.Net] It's time to take another look
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I'M RICH BEEEYOTCH
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>From: "RSPW.Net" NOT...@rspw.net
>Date: 6/18/2003 8:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns939ED1DA...@216.168.3.44>
>
>RSPW.Net is back online, with one great new feature already started, and
>many more coming soon!
>
>NOW AVAILABLE! POLLS~! Current questions include:
>
>What is your favorite Phil Collins song?
>Did you participate in the RAW Boycott?
>Did you boycott Badd Blood?
>New Metallica - Love it or Hate it?
>Where should the next RSPW Con - if there ever is one - be held?
>Will Kane beat HHH?
>Is HHH killing the WWE?
>What did you think of the 16-Jun-03 NWA-TNA show?
>
>You have to register to vote. As most of you already know, I (John Henry)
>own the site, however I'm not doing this alone. I built the polling
>engine, but myself, Jeff "Fro" Wahlman, Vinny, and Chad Bryant (so far) as
>contributing editors - meaning they can create new polls. Future plans
>include a Wrestling FAQ system, a wrestler/match rating poll, and I'm
>seriously hoping that we'll be able to run the RSPW Year End awards through
>the site this year, although I haven't discussed this with CRZ.
>
>RSPW.Net's very first commercial venture is also coming soon, and I think a
>lot of you will be interested in it, although I don't want to get into too
>many details right now. Suffice it to say that it will have a look at the
>inside of the wrestling business that few of us have ever had a chance to
>see, as well as a look at some of your favorite RSPW personalities from the
>past and present, PLUS some great matches. Hopefully if I can generate a
>little cash from this, I'll be able to send out those 5 free CD-Roms that
>I've been promising for the last 18 months~!
>
>Go now, register, answer the polls, have a good time, and visit often,
>because RSPW.Net is going to start living up to it's potential, starting
>right now!
>
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No one cares.
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cranium as a flower pot!" - Raven, 6/4/03
Corey Collins
wrote:
>What did you think of the 16-Jun-03 NWA-TNA show?
I'm sure it woulda been great.... if it had actually happened.
Alex Cain
going to create a lot of bullshit from you and Chad, and a few others,
claiming a bunch of nonsense that nobody besides the two of you and the
aforementioned others would give a crap about.
I am going to respond to you, and in that response I am going to tell you
the following seven words:
Shut the fuck up. Get a life.
*disappears back into the reality which I KNOW John hasn't seen since 1982.*
"RSPW.Net" <NOT...@rspw.net> wrote in message
news:Xns939ED1DA...@216.168.3.44...
> RSPW.Net is back online, with one great new feature already started, and
> many more coming soon!
>
> NOW AVAILABLE! POLLS~! Current questions include:
>
> What is your favorite Phil Collins song?
> Did you participate in the RAW Boycott?
> Did you boycott Badd Blood?
> New Metallica - Love it or Hate it?
> Where should the next RSPW Con - if there ever is one - be held?
> Will Kane beat HHH?
> Is HHH killing the WWE?
> What did you think of the 16-Jun-03 NWA-TNA show?
>
CrossfaceWalls
>Date: 06/19/2003 12:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <qKaIa.5555$dE5.1...@news.alltel.net>
>
>I am going to do something here that I probably shouldn't, because it's just
>going to create a lot of bullshit from you and Chad, and a few others,
>claiming a bunch of nonsense that nobody besides the two of you and the
>aforementioned others would give a crap about.
>
>I am going to respond to you, and in that response I am going to tell you
>the following seven words:
>
>Shut the fuck up. Get a life.
>
>*disappears back into the reality which I KNOW John hasn't seen since 1982.*
lol..........Dink blew his big return to RSPW for that retort.
*****
Proud member of the BAND OF BRAHS
"4 people are in my killfile as of this moment: CFWalls, Chad, John Henry, and
C the Shocker. Nobody else."-Pete Panaro 3/22/03
Ranked #1 on the Luvbun list.
Alex Cain
"CrossfaceWalls" <crossfa...@aol.comeONBABY> wrote in message
news:20030619015940...@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >From: "Alex Cain" noe...@here.invalid
> >Date: 06/19/2003 12:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: <qKaIa.5555$dE5.1...@news.alltel.net>
> >
> >I am going to do something here that I probably shouldn't, because it's
just
> >going to create a lot of bullshit from you and Chad, and a few others,
> >claiming a bunch of nonsense that nobody besides the two of you and the
> >aforementioned others would give a crap about.
> >
> >I am going to respond to you, and in that response I am going to tell you
> >the following seven words:
> >
> >Shut the fuck up. Get a life.
> >
> >*disappears back into the reality which I KNOW John hasn't seen since
1982.*
>
> lol..........Dink blew his big return to RSPW for that retort.
You're talking about it like I'm supposed to give some sort of a shit.
I see some things never change. Maybe your imaginary girlfriend can
explain to you why your response was so pathetic.
I can't help it if John's a fuckup and can't code for shit...that's his
fault, not mine -- even if he tries to blame me for it.
Later.
Christopher Robin Zimmerman
RSPW.Net <NOT...@rspw.net> wrote:
>and I'm
>seriously hoping that we'll be able to run the RSPW Year End awards through
>the site this year, although I haven't discussed this with CRZ.
And it looks like you won't, so let me help you out here. There is
no chance in hell this year's r.s.p-w Awards will be run by you or through
ANY web site. THEY ARE USENET AWARDS.
Also, please remove me from all your DVD shills. You know, Chris Palacios is
really EASY to find and it's a shame you didn't bother to even talk to
the man before you started spamming. But this seems to be a common theme.
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WWW: CRZ.net | AIM: SeeOurZed | co-moderator, rec.sport.pro-wrestling.moderated
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DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman crzatrs...@spam.invalid
>Date: 6/25/2003 1:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <bdcnmn$hnp$1...@bolt.sonic.net>
>
>In article <Xns939ED1DA...@216.168.3.44>,
>RSPW.Net <NOT...@rspw.net> wrote:
>>and I'm
>>seriously hoping that we'll be able to run the RSPW Year End awards through
>>the site this year, although I haven't discussed this with CRZ.
>
>And it looks like you won't, so let me help you out here. There is
>no chance in hell this year's r.s.p-w Awards will be run by you or through
>ANY web site. THEY ARE USENET AWARDS.
>
>Also, please remove me from all your DVD shills. You know, Chris Palacios is
>really EASY to find and it's a shame you didn't bother to even talk to
>the man before you started spamming. But this seems to be a common theme.
LOL, the NetSchlong bitchslapped by CRZ.
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"That's like saying that Steve Buscemi is "handsome" because he's
better looking than the Elephant Man." - Matthew Little,
rec.arts.movies.current-films, 6/23/03.
The Saxist
IAWTLOL
--The Saxist
"Two mice fell in a bucket of cream.The first mouse gave up and drowned. The
second mouse paddled his little mouse legs, and eventually, .that cream turned
to butter, and the mouse walked out. I am that second mouse."
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/25/2003 5:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns93A5AE17F23Ajo...@216.168.3.44>
>
>What is THAT, Christopher Robin Zimmerman
>(crzatrs...@spam.invalid)? Is that a rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin,
>ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>> In article <Xns939ED1DA...@216.168.3.44>,
>> RSPW.Net <NOT...@rspw.net> wrote:
>>>and I'm
>>>seriously hoping that we'll be able to run the RSPW Year End awards
>>>through the site this year, although I haven't discussed this with
>>>CRZ.
>>
>> And it looks like you won't
>
>discussed this...what, a year and a half ago? I guess you'd woken up on
>the other side of the bed that day.
>
>> so let me help you out here. There is
>> no chance in hell this year's r.s.p-w Awards will be run by you or
>> through ANY web site. THEY ARE USENET AWARDS.
>
>
>> Also, please remove me from all your DVD shills.
>
>this; it was my further thought that other folks who weren't around at
>the time would enjoy seeing the OT's, where their heads were at, what
>they were thinking, what their first RSPW memory was. I've been keen for
>a long time on restoring a sense of community to this group, and the IWC
>at-large,
There is no Internet Wrestling Community., nutso.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>select the best footage, not to mention of course, the custom menu
>graphics and of course materials cost, and so I feel that I deserve to
>make a little change too.
Gee, just a minute ago you said it was about the noble cause to reunite the
scattered tribes of the IWC. And all this time it was just your latest con.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>bullshit that has been our embarassing hallmark for the last several
>years.
>
>Frankly, I thought you'd be proud of your involvement, not embarassed by
>it. But hey, call me Big Brother, I don't have a problem un-personing
>you from the thing if that's the way you want it to be. Never let it be
>said that I am less than accomodating.
>
>> You know, Chris
>> Palacios is really EASY to find
>
>I wasn't doing, or was having trouble doing, was EASY, but hasn't
>actually offered to help me DO it. I searched the web; I hit every e-
>mail address I could find for him; I even e-mailed Frank Dusek and asked
>him, although he never responded. If YOU know how to get hold of him,
>please feel free to let me know. I'd certainly like to make sure that he
>gets his due from this. I'm already in contact with Tom Misnik.
>
>> and it's a shame you didn't bother to
>> even talk to the man before you started spamming.
>
>sit on this project any longer. I figured that if nothing else, he'd
>raise his head when he heard about the project, at which point he and I
>could discuss what kind of percentage we can agree is fair. Certainly I
>want to ensure that he gets his due; at least a buck on each DVD, maybe
>two, maybe even a little more. The flip side of that is that I've spent
>a couple of weeks of VERY long days assembling footage, tweaking sound,
>watching, re-watching, and re-rewatching these tapes so that I could
>graphics and of course materials cost, and so I feel that I deserve to
>to find, how about you find him and mail me his address, since my poor,
>ignorant ass hasn't had any luck? I found Tom Misnik; I even found Pete
>Stein; I couldn't find Chrispy.
>
>> But this seems to
>> be a common theme.
>
>higher priority than the community, eh? I guess now I'm starting to
>understand why the RSPW-Con didn't become a habit; I didn't realize that
>some folks had become so ashamed of their involvement.
>
>It wasn't my intent to insult you or embarass you, Chris. I genuinely
>thought you'd get a kick out of seeing this again. You actually only
>appear in about 15 seconds of footage anyway (other than showing up in
>the crowd...would you like me to pixellate your face out of the matches,
>too? I cna put a little digital paper bag over your head and bill you as
>"The Unknown Mark" if you'd like), primarily talking about your first
>RSPW memory ("the really long thread about whether Flair vs. Funk was a
>shoot").
>
>As a current RSPW'er - nearly around long enough to be an old-timer
>myself - I find these kinds of bits fascinating and entertaining, and
>watching this tape I really started to get a yearning for that sense of
>community and comraderie that once existed within RSPW, and even between
>RSPW and some of the guys in the business, and I thought it would be nice
>for people to know that some of the old-timers are still here, hadn't
>given up on us as a lost cause yet, and maybe get an idea of why people
>like me are so interested in rebuilding this community after years of
>neglect and abuse.
>
>Hell, maybe this is even my way of trying to compensate or correct my own
>hand in creating some of that abuse.
>
>But, no matter. It was a stupid fucking idea anyway. Why would anyone
>want to see a bunch of wrestlers talking about RSPW? Who in their right
>mind would be interested in previously unavailble - or "lost" - interview
>footage with a guy like Ted Petty, who most people on this group have no
>concept of the time and impact he had on the business, talking about his
>old gimmicks and how hard it was to get work using that style in 1985?
>
>Hell, it's not like the guy's dead, right?
>
>I'm sure he'll be on one of the talk shows or one of the wrestling-
>internet-radio programs sometime soon. There will be PLENTY of footage
>like this for people to see - I'm a damned fool for thinking that what I
>had in my hands was actually special, relevant, important, meaningful, or
>interesting to wrestling fans.
>
>And I certainly never dreamed of using the footage as a vehicle to
>express a fitting and meaningful tribute to a guy who literally gave his
>life, right up to his last breath, to the wrestling business - to US, the
>fans. It never dawned on me at all how powerful and moving that short
>bit where he's talking about all the pain the wrestlers put up with and
>chrispy says "But it's all worth it, right?" and he responds with a
>world-weary look "yeah, it is," could be.
>
>And it *certainly* never occurred to me to close out the DVD with that
>clip fading into a couple of black screens and a 10-bell salute, followed
>by a huge "thank you" to Zohn, Sandman, Dreamer, Gordon, Misnik, and
>everyone else that busted their ass so that, on a cold weekend in 1995, a
>bunch of marks could have a weekend that they'd always remember. It
>never dawned on me that all those old videotapes are sitting around
>degrading, and it might be nice to digitize them so that they'll still be
>around as a lasting testament to what this group was, and could be again.
>
>Because you see, I don't actually care about RSPW or wrestling, Chris -
>I'm just in it for the money. It never dawned on me that for the first
>time in 8 years, I've finally got something that will show the "newbies"
>how cool this place can be, how much impact we can have if we just cut
>the bullshit and start using our considerable voice for something besides
>discussing Chad Bryant's weight or my parenting skills. And it certainly
>never crossed my mind that maybe this DVD would provide the impetus for a
>return of the RSPW-Con, maybe even hosted by a group like TNA or IWAMS,
>maybe even involving some of those same people who were at the '95 con.
>
>You know, people like you^H^H^H whoops.
>
>That's why I've persevered in this cesspool for 7 years, having my faily
>threatened, having my life threatened.
>
>That's why I spent three years sucking up to a bunch of egomaniacs who
>forgot my name as soon as they signed contracts, spending money I didn't
>have, driving cars into the ground, to appear in indy shows.
>
>It wasn't because I love wrestling or I respect the work that these guys
>- even the ones who I don't particularly like on a personal level - do to
>entertain us.
>
>It wasn't because I wanted to get inside the business and be able to
>extend what I learned to this newsgroup. Just like offering to conduct
>the YEW's via RSPW.Net wasn't because I wanted to help, do something
>relevant and helpful, or try to have a positive impact (for once) on the
>group and maybe even make things easier for the guy who usually does
>them. I was going to charge $3 per vote.
>
>I did it for that massive payoff, that whole...geez, I bet I made at
>least 30 bucks in that three years. I probably only spent 100X that.
>Because I'm just a shallow, greedy, ego-driven Net.Bastard, Chris, trying
>to get rich off other people without doing a damn thing on my own.
>
></battlehymnoftherepublic>
>
>Do you get the idea that I'm more than a little bit fucking insulted by
>your implication? You should. I'll take this as an understanding that
>the moderated group - which I, of course, didn't lobby for and didn't
>vote in favor of, and I didn't even vote for you to be one of the
>moderators in deference to your obvious love for the group and respect
>for the business - has no interest in being included in RSPW.Net. And I
>SWEAR I didn't mark out for seeing you on that tape, and I didn't think
>'hey, that's pretty damn cool that CRZ was involved, now maybe people
>will understand the depth of committment and interest some of us have in
>the business and the newsgroup.'
>
>Silly me, thinking anyone would have an interest in RSPW being a cohesive
>and relevant entity again. Much more entertaining and relevant to bicker
>and whine and flame and insult people. Not like we've had any impact on
>the business anyway. Only a rube would think that. The internet
>wrestling fanbase is MUCH more effective the way it is now, spread out
>across hundreds of websites and discussion boards, with no voice
>whatsoever in the business. I don't know about you, but I just LOVE
>seeing...oh, wait, I forgot, I don't see anything, because the quality of
>wrestling programming has gone to shit so hard since we lost our
>collective voice that it's not worth watching anymore. LONG LIVE KATIE
>VICK~!
>
>HHH was obviously right - we mean nothing to the wrestling business, just
>a bunch of 12 year old marks in their mommy's basement. Thanks for doing
>your part to ensure that we don't lose sight of that.
lol
The Saxist
hand in creating some of that abuse.
But, no matter. It was a stupid---king idea anyway. Why would anyone
want to see a bunch of wrestlers talking about RSPW?
I'm a damned fool for thinking that what I
had in my hands was actually special, relevant, important, meaningful, or
interesting to wrestling fans.
Because you see, I don't actually care about RSPW or wrestling, Chris -
I'm just in it for the money.
I was going to charge $3 per vote.
I did it for that massive payoff
Because I'm just a shallow, greedy, ego-driven Net.------, Chris, trying
to get rich off other people without doing a damn thing on my own.
Silly me, thinking anyone would have an interest in RSPW being a cohesive
and relevant entity again. Much more entertaining and relevant to bicker
and whine and flame and insult people.
HHH was obviously right - we mean nothing to the wrestling business, just
a bunch of 12 year old marks in their mommy's basement. >>>>>
IAWTParts
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/25/2003 5:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <%SoKa.70$3L6....@news.uswest.net>
>
>The Saxist (imas...@aol.comSHOKNAWE) writes:
>
>>>LOL,
>>
>> IAWTLOL
>
>Two people who actually make positive contributions to this group have a
>disagreement, and the insignificant idiots who have never done anything
>positive think it's entertaining.
>
>What trash.
>
*sobs* Wishing I could make a positive contribution to a newsgroup and thus
Heal the wwooooooooooorld, make it a better plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace for yewwwwww
and for meeeeee and the entire human raaaaaaaace!
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/25/2003 5:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns93A5B476D1376jo...@216.168.3.44>
>
>What is THAT, John Henry (john...@lowgenius.com)? Is that a
>rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
>> What is THAT, Christopher Robin Zimmerman
>> (crzatrs...@spam.invalid)? Is that a rec.sport.pro-wrestling
>> pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>>
>
>eminently satisfying.
Dance for CRZ, a guy who posts here like once every year. LOL this is
kookalicious.
The Saxist
>> want to see a bunch of wrestlers talking about RSPW?
>
>a miniscule portion of the footage. Talking TO RSPW - and in general,
>talking at all - was the point.
>
You know what I find great? You're screaming at me for being wrong, when I'm
quoting something you said.
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IAMCALZONExx [UA]
hamster? It's allready 25 Jun 2003, and I have an important engagement
in rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
I didn't read a single post you made this thread, but so far I count
three replies to one post. You officially count as "fucking sad."
GC
calling em like I see em
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"You want good TV? I'll give you a trainwreck!"
-HHH 12/02/02
Christopher Robin Zimmerman
John Henry <john...@lowgenius.com> wrote sixty lines of text:
<snip>
Jesus, but you do prattle on.
Christopher Robin Zimmerman
John Henry <john...@lowgenius.com> wrote another 175 lines:
<snip>
Good Lord, do you ever stop typing? I mean, seriously.
IAMCALZONExx [UA]
hamster? It's allready 26 Jun 2003, and I have an important engagement
in rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
> In article <Xns93A5E9AF2B871jo...@216.168.3.44>,
> John Henry <john...@lowgenius.com> wrote sixty lines of text:
>
> <snip>
>
> Jesus, but you do prattle on.
>
Wow, you agree with everything Crazy John has to say? I'm shocked,
possibly awed, and moderately exited in the Biblical sense.
He does have a point, though. Shouldn't... I dunno... an RSPW poster be
running the RSPW awards? Not to disrespect you, the whole "... IS
WALKING!" joke gets me every time, but he raises some interesting points
between crack binges.
GC
fair, honest, AMERICAN!
Christopher Robin Zimmerman
>Wow, you agree with everything Crazy John has to say? I'm shocked,
>possibly awed, and moderately exited in the Biblical sense.
I didn't read it. :)
>He does have a point, though. Shouldn't... I dunno... an RSPW poster be
>running the RSPW awards? Not to disrespect you, the whole "... IS
>WALKING!" joke gets me every time, but he raises some interesting points
>between crack binges.
I *am* a poster! Look, I'm posting right now!
Seriously, tell me exactly how many posts you'd like to see from me before
October and I'll work on it. (RSPWI crossposts count, right?)
IAMCALZONExx [UA]
hamster? It's allready 26 Jun 2003, and I have an important engagement
in rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
> IAMCALZONExx [UA] <Cap...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Wow, you agree with everything Crazy John has to say? I'm shocked,
>>possibly awed, and moderately exited in the Biblical sense.
>
> I didn't read it. :)
Honestly, I skimmed it.
>>He does have a point, though. Shouldn't... I dunno... an RSPW poster
>>be running the RSPW awards? Not to disrespect you, the whole "... IS
>>WALKING!" joke gets me every time, but he raises some interesting
>>points between crack binges.
>
> I *am* a poster! Look, I'm posting right now!
>
> Seriously, tell me exactly how many posts you'd like to see from me
> before October and I'll work on it. (RSPWI crossposts count, right?)
>
Well, lesse. I'd say that your average RSPW poster makes say, 4 posts a
day. There are roughly 96 days till October. That makes 384 posts,
give or take lets say 60 posts for sample error. So a minimum of 324
posts to RSPW between now and then. Sure the number sounds huge, but
I'm probably on track for that number and I barely ever post anymore.
Also, just to be fair to the rest of the group, at least 1/3 of those
(107) should be actual RSPW posts and not RSPWI crossposts. Ya know,
just to keep things on the level.
GC
being fair
IAMCALZONExx [UA]
allready 26 Jun 2003, and I have an important engagement in
rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
> but hey, it's certainly not the first
> time I've overestimated someone.
>
Yeah, like that time you were like "Burnside can survive more radiation,
CONTINUE THE EXPERIMENT!" and well... he couldn't.
GC
RIP Burnside, you were... uhh...
IAMCALZONExx [UA]
allready 26 Jun 2003, and I have an important engagement in
rec.sport.pro-wrestling:
> What is THAT, IAMCALZONExx [UA] (Cap...@maine.rr.com)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
>> Also, just to be fair to the rest of the group, at least 1/3 of those
>> (107) should be actual RSPW posts and not RSPWI crossposts. Ya know,
>> just to keep things on the level.
>
> I think it's only fair to stipulate that at least ...say, 10%, just to
> make it easy... of these posts should actually contain an opinion or
> observation about professional wrestling. You know, like, a
> discussion, kinda.
>
> Okay, maybe I'm just talking crazy (n.CRaZy) now.
>
Yes you are. If 10% of my posts were opinions or obsevations about
wrestling, I'd be... somebody completely different.
GC
me, not somebody else
-|-ńcubu§
<john...@lowgenius.com> who was masturbating to a naked picture of
Bea Arthur :
>What is THAT, IAMCALZONExx [UA] (Cap...@maine.rr.com)? Is that a
>rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
>> Wow, you agree with everything Crazy John has to say? I'm shocked,
>> possibly awed, and moderately exited in the Biblical sense.
>
>(insert glib "I didn't read it" response here)
>
>> He does have a point, though. Shouldn't... I dunno... an RSPW poster
>> be running the RSPW awards? Not to disrespect you, the whole "... IS
>> WALKING!" joke gets me every time, but he raises some interesting
>> points between crack binges.
>
>Cute.
>
>I just don't understand what anyone could possibly have against this
>DVD. I mean, this footage is really amazing stuff, there's *nowhere* to
>get this kind of candid interviews with these guys; even the RF shoot
>vids look pretty kayfabe by comparison.
>
>Where else are you going to hear about Dennis Coraluzzo's lackey
>slashing tires in the parking lot of the ECW arena, or Dancin' Stevie
>Richards talking about how he could probably sneak into a WWF house
>show, steal HBK's driver's license and credit cards, and get away with
>using them?
>
>Where else - anywhere, on anyone's tape - are you going to hear Rocco
>Rock talking about how hard it was to even find a wrestler willing to
>work with him, back in the days before the luchas were doing moonsaults?
> Or Tommy Dreamer talking about Japanese culture? Or Sandman (and lots
>of others) talking about why the ECW arena had the best crowd in the
>business?
>
>Who else is offering a tape of Ed Zohn giving a blow-by-blow account of
>what's going on behind the scenes during a show where Sabu is working on
>a broken ankle, or Axl Rotten talking about the differences between
>"smart fans" and "smart asses?"
>
>Where else are you going to see an RSPW t-shirt used in a wrestling
>match? I just don't get it.
>
>Some people seem to think this tape is nothing but a bunch of internet
>geeks wandering around in a bar; other people seem to think it's nothing
>but a bootleg ECW tape.
>
>Neither one is true.
>
>I've put long, long hours into picking out interesting interview footage
>and great match footage, along with fan comments, and turning it into a
>really nice package that shows a new perspective on the wrestlers, the
>business, and the newsgroup that the vast majority of people here have
>never had a chance to see.
>
>I didn't just toss a bunch of crap together to make a buck here; I
>watched this tape and I marked out, like I've marked out for nothing in
>years, and I thought it would be really cool to share it with people,
>spread the wealth a little bit, so folks...well, nothing personal Capn',
>but folks like you, could maybe have a chance to see why some of us "old-
>timers" take this place so seriously, and maybe even provide the
>inspiration for people to want to be taken seriously again by the
>business.
>
>It's not just someone's home movies - it's a documentary of a very
>unique and special time in the history of professional wrestling, and of
>RSPW, and it honestly boggles my mind that nobody seems to give a damn,
>or seems to be interested in the tape unless it's to bitch and whine
>that they're being "used" to put it over. I mean, where I come from,
>calling someone a "legend" is a compliment, not an excuse to bitch and
>whine.
>
>But hey, I'm not a moderator, what the fuck do I know?
>
>Just for grins, I decided to google up a few posts about the con and the
>original tape that I used as source for this DVD. Read a few of these:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/faxm
>
>and maybe that will give you a better idea of what the convention was
>about, and the incredible stuff that's made it on to this DVD...even if
>you don't include the all-important clip of CRZ and his nametag.
>
>*shrug* I dunno. If I was a wrestling fan, I'd be begging for this DVD.
>I'd sure as heck pay for it.
You could have saved some time as well as bandwidth by just saying,"
The end of the month is a few days away and I need rent money badly.
So I dubbed this tape to DVD to sell hoping you RSPW, can help me out
with my rent".
Simpler and to the point.
$100 bet Dancemaster C crossposts this to alt.flame.rspw,
and alt.pro-wrestling.wwf. And also replies with the
standard DPD, Crawl, or Yank reference.
Alex Cain
"DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake" <petep...@aol.comgoaway> wrote in
message news:20030625143310...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: [RSPW.Net] It's time to take another look
> >From: Christopher Robin Zimmerman crzatrs...@spam.invalid
> >Date: 6/25/2003 1:55 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <bdcnmn$hnp$1...@bolt.sonic.net>
> >
> >In article <Xns939ED1DA...@216.168.3.44>,
> >RSPW.Net <NOT...@rspw.net> wrote:
> >>and I'm
> >>seriously hoping that we'll be able to run the RSPW Year End awards
through
> >>the site this year, although I haven't discussed this with CRZ.
> >
> >And it looks like you won't, so let me help you out here. There is
> >no chance in hell this year's r.s.p-w Awards will be run by you or
through
> >ANY web site. THEY ARE USENET AWARDS.
> >
> >Also, please remove me from all your DVD shills. You know, Chris
Palacios is
> >really EASY to find and it's a shame you didn't bother to even talk to
> >the man before you started spamming. But this seems to be a common
theme.
>
> LOL, the NetSchlong bitchslapped by CRZ.
Owch. Now THAT'S low.
Alex Cain
proud.
"John Henry" <john...@lowgenius.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A5AE17F23Ajo...@216.168.3.44...
> What is THAT, Christopher Robin Zimmerman
> (crzatrs...@spam.invalid)? Is that a rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin,
> ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
> > In article <Xns939ED1DA...@216.168.3.44>,
> > RSPW.Net <NOT...@rspw.net> wrote:
> >>and I'm
> >>seriously hoping that we'll be able to run the RSPW Year End awards
> >>through the site this year, although I haven't discussed this with
> >>CRZ.
> >
> > And it looks like you won't
>
> Well, it *is* only June. I guess you'er forgetting that we actually
> discussed this...what, a year and a half ago? I guess you'd woken up on
> the other side of the bed that day.
>
> > so let me help you out here. There is
> > no chance in hell this year's r.s.p-w Awards will be run by you or
> > through ANY web site. THEY ARE USENET AWARDS.
>
> Uh, okay.
>
> > Also, please remove me from all your DVD shills.
>
> Sorry you feel that way. It was my thought that you might enjoy seeing
> this; it was my further thought that other folks who weren't around at
> the time would enjoy seeing the OT's, where their heads were at, what
> they were thinking, what their first RSPW memory was. I've been keen for
> a long time on restoring a sense of community to this group, and the IWC
> at-large, rather than the interpersonal bickering, ego-trips, and
> bullshit that has been our embarassing hallmark for the last several
> years.
>
> Frankly, I thought you'd be proud of your involvement, not embarassed by
> it. But hey, call me Big Brother, I don't have a problem un-personing
> you from the thing if that's the way you want it to be. Never let it be
> said that I am less than accomodating.
>
> > You know, Chris
> > Palacios is really EASY to find
>
> This is the second time in a week now someone has told me that something
> I wasn't doing, or was having trouble doing, was EASY, but hasn't
> actually offered to help me DO it. I searched the web; I hit every e-
> mail address I could find for him; I even e-mailed Frank Dusek and asked
> him, although he never responded. If YOU know how to get hold of him,
> please feel free to let me know. I'd certainly like to make sure that he
> gets his due from this. I'm already in contact with Tom Misnik.
>
> > and it's a shame you didn't bother to
> > even talk to the man before you started spamming.
>
> I spent three MONTHS trying to track Chrispy down, and I didn't want to
> sit on this project any longer. I figured that if nothing else, he'd
> raise his head when he heard about the project, at which point he and I
> could discuss what kind of percentage we can agree is fair. Certainly I
> want to ensure that he gets his due; at least a buck on each DVD, maybe
> two, maybe even a little more. The flip side of that is that I've spent
> a couple of weeks of VERY long days assembling footage, tweaking sound,
> watching, re-watching, and re-rewatching these tapes so that I could
> select the best footage, not to mention of course, the custom menu
> graphics and of course materials cost, and so I feel that I deserve to
> make a little change too. Either way, since Chrispy is so "EASY" for you
> to find, how about you find him and mail me his address, since my poor,
> ignorant ass hasn't had any luck? I found Tom Misnik; I even found Pete
> Stein; I couldn't find Chrispy.
>
> > But this seems to
> > be a common theme.
>
> Almost as common as people putting their petty personal differences on a
> higher priority than the community, eh? I guess now I'm starting to
> understand why the RSPW-Con didn't become a habit; I didn't realize that
> some folks had become so ashamed of their involvement.
>
> It wasn't my intent to insult you or embarass you, Chris. I genuinely
> thought you'd get a kick out of seeing this again. You actually only
> appear in about 15 seconds of footage anyway (other than showing up in
> the crowd...would you like me to pixellate your face out of the matches,
> too? I cna put a little digital paper bag over your head and bill you as
> "The Unknown Mark" if you'd like), primarily talking about your first
> RSPW memory ("the really long thread about whether Flair vs. Funk was a
> shoot").
>
> As a current RSPW'er - nearly around long enough to be an old-timer
> myself - I find these kinds of bits fascinating and entertaining, and
> watching this tape I really started to get a yearning for that sense of
> community and comraderie that once existed within RSPW, and even between
> RSPW and some of the guys in the business, and I thought it would be nice
> --
> John Henry
> -Now playing: Winamp stopped
> LowGenius Digital Imaging
> http://www.lowgenius.com
> The LowGenius Sticker Store
> http://www.lowgenius.net
> Illegitimus non carborundum est
Alex Cain
> What is THAT, IAMCALZONExx [UA] (Cap...@maine.rr.com)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
> > possibly awed, and moderately exited in the Biblical sense.
>
>
> > be running the RSPW awards? Not to disrespect you, the whole "... IS
> > WALKING!" joke gets me every time, but he raises some interesting
> > points between crack binges.
>
>
> I just don't understand what anyone could possibly have against this
> DVD. I mean, this footage is really amazing stuff, there's *nowhere* to
> get this kind of candid interviews with these guys; even the RF shoot
> vids look pretty kayfabe by comparison.
>
> Where else are you going to hear about Dennis Coraluzzo's lackey
> slashing tires in the parking lot of the ECW arena, or Dancin' Stevie
> Richards talking about how he could probably sneak into a WWF house
> show, steal HBK's driver's license and credit cards, and get away with
> using them?
Other web sites. Ebay.
>
> Where else - anywhere, on anyone's tape - are you going to hear Rocco
> Rock talking about how hard it was to even find a wrestler willing to
> work with him, back in the days before the luchas were doing moonsaults?
> Or Tommy Dreamer talking about Japanese culture? Or Sandman (and lots
> of others) talking about why the ECW arena had the best crowd in the
> business?
Ebay.
>
> Who else is offering a tape of Ed Zohn giving a blow-by-blow account of
> what's going on behind the scenes during a show where Sabu is working on
> a broken ankle, or Axl Rotten talking about the differences between
> "smart fans" and "smart asses?"
Ebay.
>
> Where else are you going to see an RSPW t-shirt used in a wrestling
> match? I just don't get it.
Ebay. Wrestlecrap.
And yes, there's a lot that you obviously "don't get." Sadly, the chemicals
in your brain are too far gone for the process to be reversed. We can only
hope it's fatal.
-snip-
Alex Cain
"DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake" <petep...@aol.comgoaway> wrote in
message news:20030625173249...@mb-m06.aol.com...
> > could
> >select the best footage, not to mention of course, the custom menu
> >graphics and of course materials cost, and so I feel that I deserve to
> >make a little change too.
>
> Gee, just a minute ago you said it was about the noble cause to reunite
the
> scattered tribes of the IWC. And all this time it was just your latest
con.
John's a grifter? Is that how he lost his car?
/The Simpsons
Alex Cain
"DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake" <petep...@aol.comgoaway> wrote in
message news:20030625185240...@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: [RSPW.Net] It's time to take another look
> >From: John Henry john...@lowgenius.com
> >Date: 6/25/2003 5:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <Xns93A5B476D1376jo...@216.168.3.44>
> >
> >What is THAT, John Henry (john...@lowgenius.com)? Is that a
> >rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
> >
> >> What is THAT, Christopher Robin Zimmerman
> >> (crzatrs...@spam.invalid)? Is that a rec.sport.pro-wrestling
> >> pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
> >>
> >
> >Keep an eye out for my next RSPW.Net announcement, I'm sure you'll find
it
> >eminently satisfying.
>
> Dance for CRZ, a guy who posts here like once every year. LOL this is
> kookalicious.
> -----------------
This is amazing, is it not? And with
http://www.geocities.com/crazyjohnhenry now being updated it's just even
more mind-boggling.
Alex Cain
"The Saxist" <imas...@aol.comSHOKNAWE> wrote in message
news:20030625191210...@mb-m23.aol.com...
> >> But, no matter. It was a stupid---king idea anyway. Why would anyone
> >> want to see a bunch of wrestlers talking about RSPW?
> >
> >Maybe you ought to have actually read the shills. "Talking about rSPW"
was
> >a miniscule portion of the footage. Talking TO RSPW - and in general,
> >talking at all - was the point.
> >
>
>
> You know what I find great? You're screaming at me for being wrong,
when I'm
> quoting something you said.
>
>
> --The Saxist
Sax did you put your thumb on your ass and make a hissing sound after this
post?
Alex Cain
> What is THAT, Chad Bryant (chadb...@bigfoot.com)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
> >
> >>>He does have a point, though. Shouldn't... I dunno... an RSPW poster
> >>>be running the RSPW awards? Not to disrespect you, the whole "... IS
> >>>WALKING!" joke gets me every time, but he raises some interesting
> >>>points between crack binges.
> >>
> >> I *am* a poster! Look, I'm posting right now!
> >>
> >> Seriously, tell me exactly how many posts you'd like to see from me
> >> before October and I'll work on it. (RSPWI crossposts count, right?)
> >
> > already has enough trolls.
> >
>
> Some of us would like to see RSPW the wrestling newsgroup rather than RSPW
> the half-assed backyard fed, too.
>
> I guess we're in the minority.
The "we" being you and how many of your other personalities? Whichever one
wrote that one can you tell them to please shut the fuck up?
>
> I figured of all people CRZ would be more interested in preserving the
> group's heritage - and even taking a look at the old footage from that
'Con
> - than in being a bitch...but hey, it's certainly not the first time I've
> overestimated someone.
>
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Message-id: <Xns93A61BFB69D52jo...@216.168.3.44>
>
>What is THAT, IAMCALZONExx [UA] (Cap...@maine.rr.com)? Is that a
>rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
>> possibly awed, and moderately exited in the Biblical sense.
>
>(insert glib "I didn't read it" response here)
>
>> be running the RSPW awards? Not to disrespect you, the whole "... IS
>> WALKING!" joke gets me every time, but he raises some interesting
>> points between crack binges.
>
>
>I just don't understand what anyone could possibly have against this
>DVD. I mean, this footage is really amazing stuff, there's *nowhere* to
>get this kind of candid interviews with these guys; even the RF shoot
>vids look pretty kayfabe by comparison.
>
>Where else are you going to hear about Dennis Coraluzzo's lackey
>slashing tires in the parking lot of the ECW arena, or Dancin' Stevie
>Richards talking about how he could probably sneak into a WWF house
>show, steal HBK's driver's license and credit cards, and get away with
>using them?
>
Well since you just gave all the juicy info away for free, Im certainly not
buying it.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/26/2003 3:23 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3efa9ea5...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>
:)
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/26/2003 12:48 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns93A683AE2A81c...@130.133.1.4>
:(
make that four.
-|-ńcubu§
who was masturbating to a naked picture of Bea Arthur :
>-|-ñcubu§ (Inc...@wwei.com) writes:
>
>>>*shrug* I dunno. If I was a wrestling fan, I'd be begging for this
>>>DVD. I'd sure as heck pay for it.
>>
>> You could have saved some time as well as bandwidth by just saying,"
>> The end of the month is a few days away and I need rent money badly.
>> So I dubbed this tape to DVD to sell hoping you RSPW, can help me out
>> with my rent".
>
>As usual, you have nothing to add.
>
>RSPW has passed you by - back to the sandbox with your sorry, worthless
>ass.
Just the sig reads, good old fatboy yanks himself right into dancing.
Keep it up pole smoker, lol.
The Saxist
>reduced to characterizing a simple post as "screaming."
How am I supposed to make an honest point? You posted criticizing something
I quoted you on. Why am I supposed to debate with you about something you
disagree with yourself on?
The Saxist
What is the difference between John dubbing this stuff to DVD and selling it
and Jack Epstein making compilation tapes and everyone telling him he's
bootlegging, should be arrested, is a "greedy Jew" (Not my words), etc. ?
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>Date: 6/26/2003 12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030626122926...@mb-m19.aol.com>
>
> Okay, I asked this last night and no one had an answer...
>
> What is the difference between John dubbing this stuff to DVD and selling
>it
>and Jack Epstein making compilation tapes and everyone telling him he's
>bootlegging, should be arrested, is a "greedy Jew" (Not my words), etc. ?
Because Chad is in love with John? And John's not Jewish (he hates Jews too,
just like Chad).
The Saxist
Partly, but not entirely.
On the tape is still ECW wrestling and ECW wrestlers, which, by all rights
and practices, should belong to McMahon. Making a DVD of them and selling it is
still selling a DVD of wrestling that you don't have the license for.
DadIsGreatGiveUsTheChocolateCake
>From: imas...@aol.comSHOKNAWE (The Saxist)
>Message-id: <20030626170437...@mb-m25.aol.com>
>
>>Does this answer your question?
>
>
>
> Partly, but not entirely.
>
> On the tape is still ECW wrestling and ECW wrestlers, which, by all rights
>and practices, should belong to McMahon. Making a DVD of them and selling it
>is
>still selling a DVD of wrestling that you don't have the license for.
>
>
Yeah, but don't you know? He's trying to save RSPW, that oughta count for
something.
The Saxist
>nobody in ECW had their names trademarked. Plus it was 1995 - trademark
>ownership is *not* retroactive.
But you're still selling tapes of matches that happened in ECW, and of
interviews that happened with guys that you didn't ask permission to use. I
didn't get a good look at the news article or anything, but wouldn't the
matches fall directly under the ECW LIbrary Vince bought?
Pootro864
> I *am* a poster! Look, I'm posting right now!
>
> Seriously, tell me exactly how many posts you'd like to see from
> me before October and I'll work on it. (RSPWI crossposts count,
> right?)
aaaaa CRZ is... TALKING
Poot Rootbeer
> is no chance in hell this year's r.s.p-w Awards will be run by you
> or through ANY web site. THEY ARE USENET AWARDS.
And if we Usenet people decide we want John Henry to run the awards
this year... would you pass the torch, or would you fight it tooth and
nail?
CRZ is the HHH of rec.sport.pro-wrestling.
No, actually, more like Nick Bockwinkel as WCW Commissioner: an
inactive, irrelevant, powerless figurehead trying to keep a piece of
the spotlight long after the organization his name was associated with
had withered and died.
Alex Cain
> What is THAT, The Saxist (imas...@aol.comSHOKNAWE)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Partly, but not entirely.
> >
> > On the tape is still ECW wrestling and ECW wrestlers, which, by all
> > rights
> > and practices, should belong to McMahon. Making a DVD of them and
> > selling it is still selling a DVD of wrestling that you don't have the
> > license for.
>
>
> I'm not using any of McMahon's trademarks in or to sell the tape, and
> nobody in ECW had their names trademarked. Plus it was 1995 - trademark
> ownership is *not* retroactive.
I would like to see if you have the balls to say that to the ECW or WWE
lawyers.
(we both know you don't)
Alex Cain
> What is THAT, The Saxist (imas...@aol.comSHOKNAWE)? Is that a
> rec.sport.pro-wrestling pin, ON YOUR UNIFORM?!
>
> >>nobody in ECW had their names trademarked. Plus it was 1995 -
> >>trademark ownership is *not* retroactive.
> >
> >
> > But you're still selling tapes of matches that happened in ECW, and
> > of
> > interviews that happened with guys that you didn't ask permission to
> > use. I didn't get a good look at the news article or anything, but
> > wouldn't the matches fall directly under the ECW LIbrary Vince bought?
>
> owned by ECW. They've never been sold by ECW. They've never been
> copyrighted by ECW. They were never broadcast by ECW. Given the scant
> quantity of actual match footage involved, and the way that it's
presented,
> I would think that if anything it would fall under "fair use" as a review.
> ECW's graphics aren't used; the ECW logo isn't being used; under no
> circumstances have I ever claimed that this is an "ECW tape."
>
> This has been explained like a dozen times; I'm really not sure how to
make
> it any more clear.
Maybe if you didn't sell it and try to tread on copyright or trademark
infringements...
Assassin
help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally able to
type out the following:
And he's talking to the "unwashed".
Tehawk ©2003
The Cerebral Assassin
ICQ #4610826
http://www.tehawk.com
http://home.earthlink.net/~tehawk
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You get your ass kicked quickly don't ya, Chief?
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