Classic Dempsey fight - Dempsey vs Wilar.
Rabid Weasel
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Dempsey -Wilard
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DIZR7YFJ
A terrific beating. Dempseys form looks great until the very first
knockdown, then he is just wailing away without any respect to his
opponents skills.
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Dang, Willard is big! Didn't help him though.
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
suds mcduff
---There are theories that Dempsey's hands or gloves were doctored:
jwra...@aol.com
Well, Willard had that theory, but there isn't any evidence. Willard
just was in there with someone too fast, who hit too hard.
Mark Goldberg
Good article, great puncher at the height of his ferocity.
He was a very very hungry fighter especially at this stage of his life.
He knew what the hard life was, and he was determined to wipe out anyone
who stood in his way.
He saw Willard as a huge man who was aged, and not that skilled, even if
huge. He knew if he really pounded the guy, that he'd crumble and he was
right. It was Dempsey going all out, full bore and it wasn't the likes
of an aged Jess Willard, no matter how big he was, and he was a tough
guy. He got slammed, and broken and beaten and it was a testimony to his
grit that he took all that punishment and tried to make it work.
Mark
Topo Gigio
"Rabid Weasel" <lawson@NO10688SPAM+dayton.net> wrote in message
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The rules were much more catch-as-catch-can in 1919. Dempsey was permitted
to stand over Willard as the referee was counting. As soon as Willard was
off his knee Dempsey was back on him, no cleaning of Willard's gloves or
asking him if he was all right.
GreenDistantStar
"Topo Gigio" <andrew...@1asealsystems.co.uk> wrote in message
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Oh yeah...this fight couldn't happen today...it would have been stopped much
earlier.
Dempsey wasn't just a tough man...he was a 'hard' man, a man whose skills
were honed in brutal conditions. Today's heavyweight 'champ' Valouev is even
bigger than Willard and no doubt were prime Demspey alive today, he'd do to
Valouev what he did to Willard...inflict a severe and continuous beating.
GDS
_ berge @hotmail.com.invalid Eric D. Berge
<GreenNOSPAM...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>Dempsey wasn't just a tough man...he was a 'hard' man, a man whose skills
>were honed in brutal conditions. Today's heavyweight 'champ' Valouev is even
>bigger than Willard and no doubt were prime Demspey alive today, he'd do to
>Valouev what he did to Willard...inflict a severe and continuous beating.
Doubt it.
Today's athletes at that level aren't just bigger (Willard looks huge
next to Dempsey, but he was only 6'5" and about 240lbs[1], which puts
him somewhere in the middle of the pack for today, and that without
being particularly muscular by today's standards), but much better
trained and conditioned. I would expect Dempsey to be fighting at (at
best) cruiserweight nowadays.
There are also the rule changes since then - note that Dempsey's
downfall came when the neutral corner rule was introduced, in the
Tunney fight.
[1] Per the cyberboxing zone figures. Wikipedia has him at 6'7", but
he's still pudgy by modern standards.
_ berge @hotmail.com.invalid Eric D. Berge
<lawson@NO10688SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
>Saw this on another group that I read.
>
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>Dempsey -Wilard
> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DIZR7YFJ
OK, maybe I'm just slow today but I don't get how to download this
file - I wait out the 60 seconds and then don't see any button to
click to access the file.
Topo Gigio
"Eric D. Berge" <eric _ berge @ hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> Today's athletes at that level aren't just bigger (Willard looks huge
> next to Dempsey, but he was only 6'5" and about 240lbs[1], which puts
> him somewhere in the middle of the pack for today, and that without
> being particularly muscular by today's standards), but much better
> trained and conditioned. I would expect Dempsey to be fighting at (at
> best) cruiserweight nowadays.
Better athletes through chemistry.
Evil Shaman
I had a box with links covering the button. Close that box, and the
download button is underneath.
Bryce
GreenDistantStar
"Eric D. Berge" <eric _ berge @ hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:53:36 GMT, "GreenDistantStar"
> <GreenNOSPAM...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Dempsey wasn't just a tough man...he was a 'hard' man, a man whose skills
>>were honed in brutal conditions. Today's heavyweight 'champ' Valouev is
>>even
>>bigger than Willard and no doubt were prime Demspey alive today, he'd do
>>to
>>Valouev what he did to Willard...inflict a severe and continuous beating.
>
> Doubt it.
I don't. Valouev is the 'champ' in what is arguably the worst era ever for
heavyweights.
Dempsey was an Hall of Famer, a brute of a man . Valoev's claim to fame is
he beat Ruiz?
Dempsey would have cut Valouev down like a sapling.
> Today's athletes at that level aren't just bigger (Willard looks huge
> next to Dempsey, but he was only 6'5" and about 240lbs[1], which puts
> him somewhere in the middle of the pack for today, and that without
> being particularly muscular by today's standards), but much better
> trained and conditioned. I would expect Dempsey to be fighting at (at
> best) cruiserweight nowadays.
Many of yesteryear's heavy's would be cruiserweights today, this is true eg
Dempsey, Marciano etc. Either would be all-time best cruisers then.
> There are also the rule changes since then - note that Dempsey's
> downfall came when the neutral corner rule was introduced, in the
> Tunney fight.
Not sure what that has to do with the issue at hand.....
> [1] Per the cyberboxing zone figures. Wikipedia has him at 6'7", but
> he's still pudgy by modern standards.
Sure, but Dempsey could only beat who they put in front of him...and Willard
was the favourite for the fight.
GDS
Rabid Weasel
> ---There are theories that Dempsey's hands or gloves were doctored:
Yeah, it didn't take them long to start claiming that Dempsey slipped
horseshoes into his gloves. But it doesn't look at all like that's what
happened on the film.
sudsmcd...@yahoo.com
Rabid Weasel wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:25:13 -0500, suds mcduff wrote:
>
> > ---There are theories that Dempsey's hands or gloves were doctored:
>
> Yeah, it didn't take them long to start claiming that Dempsey slipped
> horseshoes into his gloves.
-----Well, Dempsy's manager claimed he plastered Dempsey's hands, since
they had bets at long odds for a Dempsey KO in the first round.The
theory was disproven by ring magazine in the article.
But it doesn't look at all like that's what
> happened on the film.
>
> Peace favor your sword (IH),
> Kirk
----I initially believed the doctored theory, having read the damage
report in several articles, but the above article had eyewitness
statements that the "official" damage reports were overblown.
Mark Goldberg
>
>
> ----I initially believed the doctored theory, having read the damage
> report in several articles, but the above article had eyewitness
> statements that the "official" damage reports were overblown.
>
He beat the very tough man, very huge man, senseless. They couldn't
believe he could do that much, and I think that's where the story came from.
Mark
sudsmcd...@yahoo.com
-------The story came from a newspaper that mistakenly took the damage
report from a masseur, believing him to be a physician:
A statement was issued after the fight by Jim Byrne "official physician
to a local athletic club in Toledo" that Willard had a dislocated jaw,
a fractured cheek bone and several "mashed" ribs and that it would be
"at least six weeks before Willard is back to normal condition and can
move comfortably." This was reported in the Kansas City Times July 8,
1919, p. 10 "Willard's Jaw Dislocated."
Pacheco and other reporters based the extent of Willard's injuries
off of this widely distributed report by Byrne who was not a physician.
However it soon turned out that Jim Byrne was not a doctor, but was
rather a "rubber" in a bathhouse in Battle Creek, Michigan. According
to the reporter in an article, "Willard's Jaw is All Right," Kansas
City Star, July 8, 1919, p.11, Byrne "doesn't know a nickel's worth
about the human anatomy."
jwra...@aol.com
This type of thing led to the rules being changed to make the person
scoring the knockdown to go to the neutral corner. This new rule was
involved in the famous "battle of the long count" with Dempsey and Gene
Tunney. The ref didn't start the count until Dempsey went to the
neutral corner. Dempsey tried to stand over Tunney, based on his long
experience under the old rules.
Johnson and all the old fighters did that. It was legal back then.