Whats difference between Mad & Normal person.
Sanny
When a person becomes Mad does his eyes and ears give wrong
information to the brain?
Does a Mad man sees 2-3 things when only 1 thing is present.
Why do people call Scientist as Mad. Do they lack something?
When a person is Mad does his brain stops working and he feel sleepy?
Does a Mad person Dream?
Out of 1000 people how many prople can be considered Mad?
Can Madness be Cured with Medicines?
What are the causes of Madness is it high Stress?
Does pitting a mad man behind Bars like a prisioner a good thing? Do
mad people have feelings?
Does giving Electric Shocks to mad cure there illness?
How many years does it take to cure a made person?
Is anyone doing research in this field?
Bye
Sanny
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"Sanny" <soft...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Some people are Mad, Some are Normal and some are Intelligent.
>
> When a person becomes Mad does his eyes and ears give wrong
> information to the brain?
nope, that would imply a eyes/ears malfunction, and the major malfunction is
in your mind.
> Does a Mad man sees 2-3 things when only 1 thing is present.
What if he has his eyes closed?
> Why do people call Scientist as Mad. Do they lack something?
who, the people or the scientist?
> When a person is Mad does his brain stops working and he feel sleepy?
It can, then he looks like a mad zombie,
> Does a Mad person Dream?
yes, Mad Dreams.
>
> Out of 1000 people how many prople can be considered Mad?
the rest of them
>
> Can Madness be Cured with Medicines?
Opium
>
> What are the causes of Madness is it high Stress?
Nope, posting on Usless net.
> Does pitting a mad man behind Bars like a prisioner a good thing?
Yes, keeps him from maddening other normal people
>Do mad people have feelings?
yes, mad feelings
> Does giving Electric Shocks to mad cure there illness?
relieves symptoms for some.
> How many years does it take to cure a made person?
few days to tens of years
>
> Is anyone doing research in this field?
sure, google for it
>
> Bye
> Sanny
dedanoe
from my own experience: mad = extraordinary; normal = boring
say we want to compare two different persons in several fields
the grades they get in all the fields are their vectors
if the scalar product of their vectors is zero then
they are mutually normal else they are mutually mad
no one can say 'i am normal you are mad or vice versa'
the normality is mutually valued.
Uncle Al
>
> Some people are Mad, Some are Normal and some are Intelligent.
idiot
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http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
Dunning-Kruger effect
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Don Stockbauer
> Sanny wrote:
>
> > Some people are Mad, Some are Normal and some are Intelligent.
>
> [snip crap]
>
> idiot
>
> <http://loscuatroojos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/youranidiot.jpg>
> <http://www.dementedferret.com/contents/media/t_Idiot-Seeks-Village.jpg>
>
> http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
> Dunning-Kruger effect
>
The best way to tell the vas deferens between mad and normal is the
mad person will stomp arond and spit and curse and shove little old
ladies into a wall, while a normal person wants to do these things but
restrains themself, usually.
TruthSlave
"Sanny" <soft...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It seems to me the label exist, to hide our lack of understanding.
We might just as well say person X is different, and admit to
shunning, out of fear or obedience, those whose difference we can't
readily explain.
Mad. How does the drowsy person appear to the person who is
wide awake? or visa versa. We exist with differing levels of arousal,
some of these states we understand as shared experience. We
can relate to those states and so there is no mystery, no recourse
to dismissal or worry. One could say we are prepared by the
culture for those states. Acclimatised by culture for those states.
Mad, however extend beyond what we care to share as relateble
experiences, and so from the majority's perspective, we are really
speak of the unknown, or the behaviour of those unprepared for
their new state.
We live for answers, we need answers live, the behaviour which
follows the absence of answers, is just as much the state, as
the state itself. I would even say, any rational person faced with
the unknown, might appear mad, as he flounders for certainty.
I guess the label is defined out of ignorance. These days the label
is used as an expectation, the way of so many other labels, forced
to the fore. Its almost as if to summon that unknown state. Or else
its used, like 'crazy.... man' was used back in the 60's, just by virtue
of its pervasiveness. [A moot indicator I'll stray no further into].
Now here's a point I've only just considered, but I wonder if by
using the label, and affixing it to any idea which might lend itself to
this use, we create the state, or dilute its meaning? The state being
whatever is affixed to the word. Anything if its not contradicted by
another explanations, could be redefined and accepted as this label,
since as I say its about the unknown.
I suppose the scientifically minded might have more concrete ideas
rooted in our biology, something about our changing threshold of
truth, or along the lines of our unconscious pre-processing, the
precursor to our conscious thoughts, which takes place as a matter
of routine. I once offered a Neural network inspired answer to the
same effect. That said my answer is really been about the culture of
the word.
(Little wonder that much thought isn't shared in this area...
no one wants to appear stupid, or for that matter, mad. ;-)
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You saw 3 normal people and 1 mad. Well, I am the intelligent one :))
N
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jmfbahciv
> Some people are Mad, Some are Normal and some are Intelligent.
<snip>
And some are all of the above.
/BAH
Benj
> Does pitting a mad man behind Bars like a prisioner a good thing? Do
> mad people have feelings?
>
> Does giving Electric Shocks to mad cure there illness?
> Bye
> Sanny
Sure electricity cures madness! Stop by my laboratory and I'll give
you a personal demonstration.
troll. Troll. TROLL.
tadchem
I toyed with the idea of responding facetiously, but your naïveté
suggests you would be more offended than enlightened, and you seem to
deserve better.
The adjectives "mad," "normal," and "intelligent" are to a great
extent appellations reflective of judgments passed on a person by
others.
> When a person becomes Mad does his eyes and ears give wrong
> information to the brain?
Using the social definition of "mad" - i.e. unable to function in
general society - the "mad" person simply is unable to process daily
information inputs into socially conventional outputs. It is of
incidental interest where in the process the breakdown occurs.
> Does a Mad man sees 2-3 things when only 1 thing is present.
"Seeing things that are not there" is synonymous with hallucination.
Hallucinations can be temporarily induced by drugs, stress or
suggestion ("hypnosis"). They are not necessarily connected with
"madness."
> Why do people call Scientist as Mad. Do they lack something?
Yes, good judgment and experience.
The "mad scientist" is a fictional stereotype, as unrealistic as the
"evil genius" bent on world domination.
To call someone a "mad scientist" betrays a mind that classifies
people with stereotypes - i.e. a bigot.
> When a person is Mad does his brain stops working and he feel sleepy?
"Mad" people can still have active intellects. Paranoiacs in
particular are particularly acute observers and are always seeking
connections between phenomena that may or may not in actuality be
related. Some paranoids are afraid of sleeping, as are some rare
phobiacs - some people fear their dreams.
> Does a Mad person Dream?
Yes. Sometime madness involves an inability to distinguish reality
from dreaming.
> Out of 1000 people how many prople can be considered Mad?
That will depend on who is doing the "considering."
> Can Madness be Cured with Medicines?
Usually not. Some mild forms of paranoia are amenable to therapeutic
intervention, which usually involves changes in diet, lifestyle, and
social associations.
> What are the causes of Madness is it high Stress?
Anything that affects the functioning of the brain can eventually
cause madness, but then again it might not. Since brain function is
to some extent a set of acquired skills, it is idiosyncratic.
> Does pitting a mad man behind Bars like a prisioner a good thing?
For whom? Some "madmen" are always dangerous to themselves and/or
others, some can be unpredictably dangerous to themselves and/or
others, and some are simply so bizarre that "normal" people find their
presence disturbing enough that they are fearful, and can be dangerous
to the "madman" when fear instincts trigger their behavior.
Back in the 1960's "progressive" thinkers decided that
institutionalizing the insane was cruel, and de-institutionalized
them, without making arrangements for their care outside the
institutions. Since "madness" by definition makes these people
socially dysfunctional, they were unable to take care of themselves,
and became a large and intimidating group of homeless people. They
are still there, on the streets.
> Do
> mad people have feelings?
Stupid question. Of course they have feelings.
> Does giving Electric Shocks to mad cure there illness?
No. It simply provides emotional gratification for their torturers,
and trains them to be docile. Unless the electric shock is fatal and
you classify "death" as a cure.
> How many years does it take to cure a made person?
In most cases, at least 100 years. Cures have occurred more rapidly
in a few rare cases, usually not in the sever cases, though. When
"madness" has progressed enough to break down socially imposed
behavioral inhibitions and make its presence apparent, it is usually
far to well-developed to be amenable to a quick cure.
> Is anyone doing research in this field?
Of course. Google "NIMH" or go to http://www.nimh.nih.gov/
> Bye
> Sanny
Got to go now. They are serving those cute little cups of orange
juice in the day room now.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
zzbu...@netscape.net
>
> When a person becomes Mad does his eyes and ears give wrong
> information to the brain?
>
> Does a Mad man sees 2-3 things when only 1 thing is present.
>
> Why do people call Scientist as Mad. Do they lack something?
Well, most mathematicians get mad, when we tell them they can keep
their idiot computers, since they're not computers anyway.
they're perpetual software maintainence contacts, with moronic
gold-plated universal diodes.
Most physicsts get mad when we tell them they can keep they're
transitors, since they're not switches anyway, they're an idiotic
circular-shifting 6am, interpretive-dancing fest with Ford.
Most Psychologists get mad when we tell them they can keep
their behaviorism, since it's not not really science anyway,
it's what's Oprah does with RNA when you're not looking.
Most philosphers get when we tell them they can keep their bridges,
since they're not bridges anyway, They're endless black-hole
parking
lot fines with Disney.
Scott H
> Some people are Mad, Some are Normal and some are Intelligent.
>
> When a person becomes Mad does his eyes and ears give wrong
> information to the brain?
I would not say that I'm mad or that I have any thought disorder, but for
the past year I've had to tolerate auditory hallucinations that do nothing
but call me names and tell me that I'm a freak. It almost seems to be a
flashback to my middle and high school years.
I will make two comments.
1. There is a difference between *having a delusion* and *acting on a
possibility*. Barricading your house doesn't mean you have delusions of
persecution any more than buying a lottery ticket means you are deluded that
you will win the lottery.
2. Schizophrenia might happen simply when one has nothing better to do. The
absence of a stabilizing source of pleasure can, by the theory of
mathematical expectation, predispose one toward exotic behaviors that,
properly speaking, are not delusional, and would otherwise be dismissed in
the pursuit of happiness.
Perhaps schizophrenia is not a "thought disorder" at all. The patient might
simply be saying and doing the things he or she feels like saying and doing
with his or her unique pleasure system.
Is it only in our schadenfreude-obsessed, man-falling-down-on-TV culture of
today that we attribute the wild and unusual behavior of schizophrenics to
"irrational thinking"? Do clinicians have a deep-seated psychological need
to call their patients stupid? Does it give them a giddy feeling of
superiority, or a sense of economic security with the idea that their
patients will return to the hospital all the more furious?
What *is* irrational thinking? "Irrational" literally means "without
reason." But according to mordern physics, everything in the world happens
by reason of the laws of nature, including schizophrenia. In that case,
nothing would be irrational.
Maybe it's time we find politically correct descriptors for schizophrenic
behavior.
Scott H
> mordern
Modern.
tadchem
<snip>
> 2. Schizophrenia might happen simply when one has nothing better to do. The
> absence of a stabilizing source of pleasure can, by the theory of
> mathematical expectation, predispose one toward exotic behaviors that,
> properly speaking, are not delusional, and would otherwise be dismissed in
> the pursuit of happiness.
>
> Perhaps schizophrenia is not a "thought disorder" at all. The patient might
> simply be saying and doing the things he or she feels like saying and doing
> with his or her unique pleasure system.
Delusions are sincere, unwavering beliefs in that which is
demonstrably not true.
http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/delusion
What you are describing is not schizophrenia but sociopathy.
Rather than speculate, do a little research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
http://facweb.furman.edu/~einstein/general/disorderdemo/petscans.htm
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2002/nimh-28.htm
The brains of schizophrenics are functionally different. When the
level of functional difference reaches a point that the patient is no
longer able to "pass" for normal in casual company, the disorder is
called a 'neurosis'. When the patient becomes socially dysfunctional,
the disorder is called a psychosis.
How would you like to spend the rest of your life (awake or asleep)
listening to strange voices in your head, and not being able to quiet
them down? Would it drive you mad?
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
> Is it only in our schadenfreude-obsessed, man-falling-down-on-TV culture of
> today that we attribute the wild and unusual behavior of schizophrenics to
> "irrational thinking"? Do clinicians have a deep-seated psychological need
> to call their patients stupid? Does it give them a giddy feeling of
> superiority, or a sense of economic security with the idea that their
> patients will return to the hospital all the more furious?
>
> What *is* irrational thinking? "Irrational" literally means "without
> reason." But according to mordern physics, everything in the world happens
> by reason of the laws of nature, including schizophrenia. In that case,
> nothing would be irrational.
>
> Maybe it's time we find politically correct descriptors for schizophrenic
> behavior.
Maybe it is time you learned something of which you speak.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
N
if you take drugs voluntarily that have effects on your mind then you
have agreed to be a mad person I'd say. Information collated that puts
over 50% of the population in the West at some part in their lives as
having had some kind of treatment for a 'psychiatric' condition. I
hope
that the people who are treating those who report on some response to
eg stress and traumas in life are not taking any drugs by themselves?
is there a cure for socially disillusioned? is there a cure for
cancer?
is there a cure for pregnancy if its seen to be an unfortunate social
illness?
Scott H
> Delusions are sincere, unwavering beliefs in that which is
> demonstrably not true.
Looking at it in a different way, how can the matter in one's brain, or any
particle in the universe, have a 'false belief'? For sure, we've made false
statements and done things that we might say were based on false beliefs,
but what is a false belief, really? Can an atom have a false belief? If not,
then how can a brain? For these reasons, I feel that we must at least be
careful when defining this term--preferably in a way that does not insult
the dignity of psychiatric patients.
But you have reminded me that such terms might end up serving a good purpose
in our vocabulary.
> What you are describing is not schizophrenia but sociopathy.
I said, "The patient might simply be saying and doing the things he or she
feels like saying and doing with his or her unique pleasure system." That
does not imply sociopathy.
> Rather than speculate, do a little research.
There's nothing wrong with speculating.
> Maybe it is time you learned something of which you speak.
I know a lot about schizophrenia, having been diagnosed with it myself. The
past year has been extremely annoying. "You're a freak" and "I hate you"
over and over, seemingly for no good reason. All the Usenet hostility I've
been getting lately hasn't helped.
I've also been accused of having delusions, but after I challenged the
psychiatrist to name one delusion, he refused. It just goes to show you that
people can be *diagnosed* with schizophrenia without having an actual
thought disorder.
John Hasenkam
It just goes to show you that
people can be *diagnosed* with schizophrenia without having an actual
thought disorder.
Google "Thomas Szazs" and also "David Rosenhan"
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