Doug Naylor movie interview.
angela rosin
here.
WARNING. CONTAINS REAL, RED DWARF-RELATED, CONTENT.
---
IGN FILMFORCE: The first question I would have, a year after our first
conversation, is to ask what business has brought you to Australia?
DOUG NAYLOR: Well, the original reason to go to Australia was because I was
told there was money in place to make the movie. So we came over to look at
some facilities and do an Australian budget, which we did. And then the
money from the UK fell through - and then I'm back there now because I was
told for the second time that the money was going to be forthcoming, and
again it fell through. So now I'm waiting, being promised that money for the
budget will materialize. But if there's anyone out there with Ł13 million,
please give me a ring and I can put good use to it.
---
The full article is here:
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/493/493199p1.html?fromint=1
Ang
Tafka
"angela rosin" <ar001...@blueyonder.co.uk>. alt.tv.red-dwarf. Sun, 22
Feb 2004 09:56:44 -0000:
Heh, I'd have posted it here as well but I couldn't find the link again
after posting it earlier (and the site wasn't working for me).
I find it interesting that there is just NO MONEY anymore... don't BBC
Worldwide finance films? Or at least in-part?
It's interesting at least.
-Tafka-
Put your arms around me
What you feel is what you are
And what you are is beautiful
angela rosin
news:qgth30hjbqi5geefa...@4ax.com...
> -Tafka-
> Put your arms around me
> What you feel is what you are
> And what you are is beautiful
Tafka! Shame on you, and me nearly twice your age!
Ang
Ozman Trad
> I want names, I want places, I want dates.
yes, but would you like any toast?
bewtifulfreak
> I find it interesting that there is just NO MONEY anymore... don't BBC
> Worldwide finance films? Or at least in-part?
That's what I was wondering; I didn't realize it was *that* hard to finance
a movie, particularly one based on a successful series (I mean, for cryin'
out loud, someone financed "Mario Brothers")!
--
Ann
A California Yankee in Queen Elizabeth's Court
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak
Peter Chant
Tafka <usenet_b...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> -Tafka-
> Put your arms around me
> What you feel is what you are
> And what you are is beautiful
Urgh! Fetch me a bucket...
Peter Chant
pe...@petezilla.co.uk (Peter Chant) writes:
> In article <qgth30hjbqi5geefa...@4ax.com>,
> Tafka <usenet_b...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>> -Tafka-
>> Put your arms around me
>> What you feel is what you are
>> And what you are is beautiful
>
> Urgh! Fetch me a bucket...
>
;-)
g2k
> I spotted this on Tafka's livejournal and I thought it would be appreciated
> here.
/me tries to stiffle a snigger.
thanks for that Ang...
.. so, it isn't that he doesn't want to make it, or hasn't written it
yet.. he doesn't have the budget... hmm.. If I win the National
Lottery.. (yeah, right) I might drop him a line... :-)
Garth
Peter Chant
"angela rosin" <ar001...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
> Tafka! Shame on you, and me nearly twice your age!
Ooh young man, at my age at your age...
Daff
<bewtif...@hotmail.com> wrote the following in their own smegma:
>That's what I was wondering; I didn't realize it was *that* hard to finance
>a movie, particularly one based on a successful series (I mean, for cryin'
>out loud, someone financed "Mario Brothers")!
Yeah, but Mario Brothers took 10 times as much money at the box office
than Double Dragon.
Then again Mario Brothers cost $40 million and only took $20 million,
I think Double Dragon cost 10p.
Daff
--
Go into a stationary shop and stand motionless for an hour.
bewtifulfreak
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:38:21 -0000, "bewtifulfreak"
> <bewtif...@hotmail.com> wrote the following in their own smegma:
>
>
>> That's what I was wondering; I didn't realize it was *that* hard to
>> finance a movie, particularly one based on a successful series (I
>> mean, for cryin' out loud, someone financed "Mario Brothers")!
>
> Yeah, but Mario Brothers took 10 times as much money at the box office
> than Double Dragon.
>
> Then again Mario Brothers cost $40 million and only took $20 million,
Exactly! So if someone could finance *that*, I don't see why Red Dwarf is
having so much trouble, unless it's just because some people think anything
game related will be an automatic success, and so are more willing to
finance such tripe.... :p
Col
"g2k" <gar...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> .. so, it isn't that he doesn't want to make it, or hasn't written it
> yet.. he doesn't have the budget... hmm.. If I win the National
> Lottery.. (yeah, right) I might drop him a line... :-)
If I won the lottery I would like to help but I would want some control
on the content of the movie. And there lies the problem.
I would have some pretty radical proposals. I would insist that all the
jokes be funny. And I would say: OI NAYLOR, NO!! if I thought the
the special effects were merely put there to show of his new CGI
program, rather than being an integral part of the plot.
Absolutely *no* dancing Blue Midgets.........
Col
--
I just know that something good is gonna happen.
martin jones
yes, but would you like any toast?
NO TOAST!
And if you ask me 'how about a crumpet', I will transform myself into
pure energy, travel thru telephone wires starting here in Seattle WA.
until I reach an internet based satalite relay station and in doing so,
cause a complete communications blackout that will last about 5 seconds
across the entire western hemisphere_then fly thru the internet's
communication microwaves being sent from whatever country you are
posting in, then use some of my energies to detect your ISP and whatever
connection you're using (DSL, Cable broadband, dial-up) then come thru
your computer's modem input relays, exiting via any open and unused
hardware connection your PC has. Revert to human form...
and use a pick ax to find out what your motherboard looks like!
Ozman Trad
"martin jones" <marty...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:909-403...@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net...
martin jones
_SNIP!_ Snip the whole bloody thing!
You see? He wires me up man!
Spleeph
news:enI_b.994$Xv2...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
"martin jones" <marty...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:909-403...@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net...
Ozman Trad asked,
>> yes, but would you like any toast?
>>
> NO TOAST!
> And if you ask me 'how about a crumpet', I will transform myself into
> pure energy, travel thru telephone wires starting here in Seattle WA.
> until I reach an internet based satalite relay station and in doing so,
> cause a complete communications blackout that will last about 5 seconds
> across the entire western hemisphere_then fly thru the internet's
> communication microwaves being sent from whatever country you are
> posting in, then use some of my energies to detect your ISP and whatever
> connection you're using (DSL, Cable broadband, dial-up) then come thru
> your computer's modem input relays, exiting via any open and unused
> hardware connection your PC has. Revert to human form...
Or you could use the teleporter.
--
Spleeph.
There is no flag large enough to cover the shame
of killing innocent people - Howard Zinn
bewtifulfreak
LOL, *classic*!!! :)`
I hereby present you the award for Most Well-Placed Red Dwarf Reference in a
Newsgroup....set-ups like that don't come along every day, and I
congratulate you for being on the ball and not missing this one!
Spleeph
spewed:
hard to resist.
I'm glad you liked it. :-)
--
Spleeph.
Never knock on Death's door: ring the bell and run away!
Death really hates that! - Dr. Mike Stratford
Starbugaboo
>
> If I won the lottery I would like to help but I would want some
> control on the content of the movie. And there lies the problem.
> I would have some pretty radical proposals. I would insist that all
> the jokes be funny. And I would say: OI NAYLOR, NO!! if I thought the
> the special effects were merely put there to show of his new CGI
> program, rather than being an integral part of the plot.
> Absolutely *no* dancing Blue Midgets.........
What about claymation Rimmer and Lister... you didn't say if you would
allow that.
--
Starbugaboo
martin jones
Col
"Starbugaboo" <starb...@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<Roger Rabbit>
Only if it was funny.
</Roger Rabbit>
Hercule Platini
> I spotted this on Tafka's livejournal and I thought it would be
appreciated
> here.
>
> WARNING. CONTAINS REAL, RED DWARF-RELATED, CONTENT.
>
>
> http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/493/493199p1.html?fromint=1
It's an interesting interview.
--
You've reached Hercule Platini's Question of the Month!
If you're not supposed to use them when the train is stationary, why do
train lavatories have frosted windows?
Hercule Platini
"bewtifulfreak" <bewtif...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1b3od$1fpc4k$1...@ID-203359.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Tafka wrote:
>
> > I find it interesting that there is just NO MONEY anymore... don't BBC
> > Worldwide finance films? Or at least in-part?
>
> That's what I was wondering; I didn't realize it was *that* hard to
finance
> a movie, particularly one based on a successful series (I mean, for cryin'
> out loud, someone financed "Mario Brothers")!
I didn't actually hate Super Mario Brothers. I mean, it was utter crap, but
as big splashy effects-laden video games full of flashing lights and pretty
colours go, I've seen worse. Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, for a kick-off.
Jackie Chan's City Hunter, which I saw many years ago at the long-lost Scala
Cinema in London's Kings Cross (it's a nightclub now), is also pretty
terrible, and probably only makes sense if you've played the game, which I
haven't.
If something as unmitigatedly bollocky as SEX LIVES OF THE POTATO MEN can
get funding, I really don't see why RED DWARF: THE MOTION PICTURE can't.
Hercule Platini
> "Tafka" <usenet_b...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> > I want names, I want places, I want dates.
>
> yes, but would you like any toast?
Actually, I wouldn't mind some. But I prefer it with jam and, having
watched SEX LIVES OF THE POTATO MEN this afternoon, I've suddenly lost my
appetite for strawberry preserves. A full opinionated ramble will appear on
my livejournal, hopefully by tomorrow.
Hercule Platini
"Col" <Reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:c1dgbl$ee9$1...@hercules.btinternet.com...
Oh, but Doug promised....
Hercule Platini
Cracking cheese, Kryten!
Hercule Platini
> Daff wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:38:21 -0000, "bewtifulfreak"
> > <bewtif...@hotmail.com> wrote the following in their own smegma:
> >
> >
> >> That's what I was wondering; I didn't realize it was *that* hard to
> >> finance a movie, particularly one based on a successful series (I
> >> mean, for cryin' out loud, someone financed "Mario Brothers")!
> >
> > Yeah, but Mario Brothers took 10 times as much money at the box office
> > than Double Dragon.
> >
> > Then again Mario Brothers cost $40 million and only took $20 million,
>
> Exactly! So if someone could finance *that*, I don't see why Red Dwarf is
> having so much trouble, unless it's just because some people think
anything
> game related will be an automatic success, and so are more willing to
> finance such tripe.... :p
Many years ago I saw a monumentally revolting British horror-comedy called
THE REVENGE OF BILLY THE KID (no, not a Western despite the title). This
was a puerile and very badly made tale of fat pensioners having sex, copious
farting and goat-shagging: a farmer impregnates a goat, and the Kid comes
back to the house and bloodily slaughters everyone.) The reason I mention
it is that some of the money was raised by the producers putting an advert
in Private Eye.
Maybe GNP could do that?
Spleeph
spewed:
> "Ozman Trad" <o...@underwearozmantrad.com> wrote in message
> news:v78_b.64449$1S1....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>> "Tafka" <usenet_b...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>>> I want names, I want places, I want dates.
>>
>> yes, but would you like any toast?
>
>
> Actually, I wouldn't mind some. But I prefer it with jam and, having
> watched SEX LIVES OF THE POTATO MEN this afternoon, I've suddenly
> lost my appetite for strawberry preserves. A full opinionated ramble
> will appear on my livejournal, hopefully by tomorrow.
Is the king of the Potato people in that?
--
Spleeph.
My favorite thing about the Internet is that you
get to go into the private world of real creeps
without having to smell them. - Penn Jillette
Peter Chant
"Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> writes:
> Jackie Chan's City Hunter, which I saw many years ago at the long-lost Scala
The think is, hunting cities is quite easy once you have sussed that
all you need to do is buy a road atlas and learnt to read road
signs. No martial art skills involved at all.
Peter Chant
"Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> writes:
>
> Many years ago I saw a monumentally revolting British horror-comedy called
> THE REVENGE OF BILLY THE KID (no, not a Western despite the title). This
Did you ever see 'I bought a Vampire Motorcycle'. I rather enjoyed it
though I think that you need to drink a couple of pints first to get
in the mood.
bewtifulfreak
> "bewtifulfreak" <bewtif...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c1b3od$1fpc4k$1...@ID-203359.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Tafka wrote:
>>
>>> I find it interesting that there is just NO MONEY anymore... don't
>>> BBC Worldwide finance films? Or at least in-part?
>>
>> That's what I was wondering; I didn't realize it was *that* hard to
>> finance a movie, particularly one based on a successful series (I
>> mean, for cryin' out loud, someone financed "Mario Brothers")!
>
>
> I didn't actually hate Super Mario Brothers. I mean, it was utter
> crap, but as big splashy effects-laden video games full of flashing
> lights and pretty colours go, I've seen worse.
Well, I haven't actually seen it myself, so maybe that wasn't an entirely
fair example.... :)
Mortal Kombat:
> Annihilation, for a kick-off. Jackie Chan's City Hunter, which I saw
> many years ago at the long-lost Scala Cinema in London's Kings Cross
> (it's a nightclub now)
Our Scala here in Ilkeston still exists, amazingly enough....of course, it's
not like Ilkeston has enough hoppin' nightlife to justify destroying it in
favor of a nightclub (and at any rate, it already has a few clubs, one of
which was built where an old church used to stand, so that's enough
nightclub-inflicted destruction for me, thank you very much). And,
according to my husband, they've filmed a few things there that were
supposed to take place in the 40s or 50s or whatever, because it still looks
like it did lo those many years ago (except for billboards advertising Spy
Kids, et al, of course).
, is also pretty terrible, and probably only
> makes sense if you've played the game, which I haven't.
I never even heard of it, so that makes two of us.
> If something as unmitigatedly bollocky as SEX LIVES OF THE POTATO MEN
> can get funding, I really don't see why RED DWARF: THE MOTION PICTURE
> can't.
My point exactly. :)
(Movie funding must be at an all-time low....Terry Gilliam's been trying to
make a movie of Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's "Good Omens" for a few
years now, and is in the exact same situation as Doug: script ready, cast
ready, just not enough money.....)
bewtifulfreak
> Many years ago I saw a monumentally revolting British horror-comedy
> called THE REVENGE OF BILLY THE KID (no, not a Western despite the
> title). This was a puerile and very badly made tale of fat
> pensioners having sex, copious farting and goat-shagging: a farmer
> impregnates a goat, and the Kid comes back to the house and bloodily
> slaughters everyone.) The reason I mention it is that some of the
> money was raised by the producers putting an advert in Private Eye.
>
> Maybe GNP could do that?
It sounds like he's just about that desperate, I think he should go for it;
like he said, everything's ready, it would be a damn waste if the movie
didn't end up getting made, book or no book!
Max
"angela rosin" <ar001...@blueyonder.co.uk> said:
>The full article is here:
>http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/493/493199p1.html?fromint=1
So do you reckon the promised funding suddenly disappears repeatedly
before or after they read the script?
Max
Starbugaboo
I'm guessing that the Duke of Manchester never read it because he
couldn't afford to make a copy.
--
Starbugaboo
John Hoare
The most cynical post EVER on Usenet, there.
--
John Hoare
http://www.ganymede-titan.info/
"Flaw?"
Col
"John Hoare" <jo...@ofla.info> wrote in message
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> >
> > So do you reckon the promised funding suddenly disappears repeatedly
> > before or after they read the script?
>
> The most cynical post EVER on Usenet, there.
That's Max for you.
Not known for her joyous outlook on life.
Tafka
14:26:59 +0000 (UTC):
>
>"John Hoare" <jo...@ofla.info> wrote in message
>news:c43646db.04022...@posting.google.com...
> > >
>> > So do you reckon the promised funding suddenly disappears repeatedly
>> > before or after they read the script?
>>
>> The most cynical post EVER on Usenet, there.
>
>That's Max for you.
>Not known for her joyous outlook on life.
But a fair comment when the movie has had this many setbacks.
And to think, it's been downhill ever since Ed left...
-Tafka-
Why do they make toasters with a setting that burns the toast?
Spleeph
spewed:
That's so when the toast burns you'll have to make more toast. Toasters need
to be kept busy or they get tetchy.
--
Spleeph.
Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality.
- Jules de Gaultier
Max
<Reddw...@btinternet.com> said:
>That's Max for you.
>Not known for her joyous outlook on life.
That only shows just how little you actually know about me.
But seriously, do you not think it a little suspicious? As I recall,
they thought they had some actual funding lined up for the movie way
back when I was still helping out at the fan club and that was in
1997. Ed Bye was dead set to direct, then dropped out because, they
claimed, he wouldn't be available at the time of the shooting. He must
have had some reason for dropping out, and if it was just that the
proposed shooting time way back then clashed with something then he
should have been able to join back up with the team by this point and
there haven't been any suggestions to that effect. And, apart from the
nutcase example, there has to be some reason why these people are
saying they will put up money and then changing their minds. What do
you imagine it is?
So, sure, I'm painting a bleak picture for the future of this movie,
but that's because the news to date has been hollow promises and I'm
hardly the only person who doesn't like the direction Red Dwarf has
taken since the Grant & Naylor partnership crumbled. Throw a positive
cheery outlook at the whole thing and you get... well, you get John
and his website, actually. It's a bloody good website, it's well
researched and it's packed with fresh content, but I do tend to find
his firm optimism in the success of Red Dwarf: The Movie has a rather
shallow basis.
As I said, though, fantastic site. It's kind of picked up where
Smegweb trailed off and it's a great resource.
Max
Dominic
news:c1lffl$rbk$1...@sparta.btinternet.com...
>
> I didn't actually hate Super Mario Brothers. I mean, it was utter crap,
but
> as big splashy effects-laden video games full of flashing lights and
pretty
> colours go, I've seen worse. Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, for a kick-off.
I liked THE FIRST MORTAL KOMBAT movie. It was neat! I also got it for cheap,
at a GARDEN CENTRE. The second one did pale a little in comparison... Also,
Super Mario Bros was quite funny, IIRC.
I also can't justify creating a new thread for this, but, to save me
rewatching all the episodes so soon, what episode is the 'Rock Guitar
Instrumental' from, on the Series 4 DVD's Audio Cues? I kept thinking
Timeslides, but for obvious reasons, it can't be that. It's also used on the
menus on S4DVD, I think. Oh, Hercy, if it was you asking whether the DVDs
were worth it, they all have an 'Audio cues' feature on them, which would
make it easy to record them to PC/CD, if you wanted to continue your
music-listening-dealio.
Peter Chant
Max <m...@hawkida.com> writes:
>
> So, sure, I'm painting a bleak picture for the future of this movie,
> but that's because the news to date has been hollow promises and I'm
Is it five years now that a movie has been promised?
Max
(Peter Chant) said:
>In article <4pc440lemvboosbb0...@4ax.com>,
> Max <m...@hawkida.com> writes:
>>
>> So, sure, I'm painting a bleak picture for the future of this movie,
>> but that's because the news to date has been hollow promises and I'm
>
>Is it five years now that a movie has been promised?
Depends what you mean by "promised". They were talking about doing
movies around 14 years ago, but not in a serious manner. There has
been serious talk of a Christmas special in the past as well. The
actual promise of a movie, the claim that it was a realistic prospect
that would be seen through came around the time of series 7, hence
Kochanski's reappearance. When was that made? I've lost track.
Max
bewtifulfreak
> In message ID (<c1q8fj$gu8$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>) "Col"
> <Reddw...@btinternet.com> said:
>
>> That's Max for you.
>> Not known for her joyous outlook on life.
>
> That only shows just how little you actually know about me.
>
> But seriously, do you not think it a little suspicious? As I recall,
> they thought they had some actual funding lined up for the movie way
> back when I was still helping out at the fan club and that was in
> 1997. Ed Bye was dead set to direct, then dropped out because, they
> claimed, he wouldn't be available at the time of the shooting. He must
> have had some reason for dropping out, and if it was just that the
> proposed shooting time way back then clashed with something then he
> should have been able to join back up with the team by this point and
> there haven't been any suggestions to that effect. And, apart from the
> nutcase example, there has to be some reason why these people are
> saying they will put up money and then changing their minds. What do
> you imagine it is?
I think your take is a realistic possibilty, but it still surprises me that
*no one* would finance a Red Dwarf movie when they finance so much entirely
unredeemable crap. I mean, I can see someone like Ed, who was involved and
knows what the show was at its peak, to judge it on it's artistic merit and
not want to be involved in something he thinks isn't up to snuff (though
I've no idea if that's the case or not). But financers usually look at
things from the perspective of, "Oo, Lara Croft....yeah, those games are
popular, this film should do well!" And, okay, Red Dwarf isn't quite that
massive, but it's no longer merely cult either, and has done well in many
countries over the years. I just can't imagine everyone's pulling out
because, "this script just doesn't hold a candle to the early days of
Dwarf!" as that tends to be much more a fan perspective than an investor
perspective. All investors generally care about is if any fan base still
exists to spend money on the movie. I don't think many people who invest in
films think of it much beyond the almighty dollar-pound, unless it's an
artist investing in his own vision or that of a project he personally
believes in.
That said, I'm not arguing that the movie will be brilliant if made, or even
that the outlook is any brighter than you project, only that I find it hard
to believe that the problem is everyone pulling out after reading the script
and finding it lacking, particularly, as I said, as so much utter shite
*does* make it to the theatre.
Col
> In message ID (<c1q8fj$gu8$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>) "Col"
> <Reddw...@btinternet.com> said:
>
> >That's Max for you.
> >Not known for her joyous outlook on life.
>
> That only shows just how little you actually know about me.
Perhaps not, but as I have never met you the only impression
I can have is formed from what you post here.
And I find you very pessimistic and negative.
> But seriously, do you not think it a little suspicious? As I recall,
> they thought they had some actual funding lined up for the movie way
> back when I was still helping out at the fan club and that was in
> 1997. Ed Bye was dead set to direct, then dropped out because, they
> claimed, he wouldn't be available at the time of the shooting. He must
> have had some reason for dropping out, and if it was just that the
> proposed shooting time way back then clashed with something then he
> should have been able to join back up with the team by this point and
> there haven't been any suggestions to that effect. And, apart from the
> nutcase example, there has to be some reason why these people are
> saying they will put up money and then changing their minds. What do
> you imagine it is?
Sure, I have my doubts about the film, and I used to mope around
here saying it would never be made but this made me sound like a
miserable bastard, so I now prefer to hope that if it *is* made it
will be good. Better to be an optimist than a pessimist, well it's
more fun anyway :)
> So, sure, I'm painting a bleak picture for the future of this movie,
> but that's because the news to date has been hollow promises and I'm
> hardly the only person who doesn't like the direction Red Dwarf has
> taken since the Grant & Naylor partnership crumbled. Throw a positive
> cheery outlook at the whole thing and you get... well, you get John
> and his website, actually. It's a bloody good website, it's well
> researched and it's packed with fresh content, but I do tend to find
> his firm optimism in the success of Red Dwarf: The Movie has a rather
> shallow basis.
Well, we shall see......
Peter Chant
Max <m...@hawkida.com> writes:
>
> Depends what you mean by "promised". They were talking about doing
> movies around 14 years ago, but not in a serious manner. There has
I mean that they have stated that they were going to make a movie,
not just thinking of it as a nice idea.
> been serious talk of a Christmas special in the past as well. The
> actual promise of a movie, the claim that it was a realistic prospect
> that would be seen through came around the time of series 7, hence
> Kochanski's reappearance. When was that made? I've lost track.
Hmm,
maybe a Christmas special might be a good plan. An hour long episode
on a moderate buget. Provided the plot was right it ought to work.
Starbugaboo
>
> In message ID (<c1q8fj$gu8$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>) "Col"
> <Reddw...@btinternet.com> said:
>
> >That's Max for you.
> >Not known for her joyous outlook on life.
>
> That only shows just how little you actually know about me.
>
> But seriously, do you not think it a little suspicious? As I recall,
> they thought they had some actual funding lined up for the movie way
> back when I was still helping out at the fan club and that was in
> 1997. Ed Bye was dead set to direct, then dropped out because, they
> claimed, he wouldn't be available at the time of the shooting. He must
> have had some reason for dropping out, and if it was just that the
> proposed shooting time way back then clashed with something then he
> should have been able to join back up with the team by this point and
> there haven't been any suggestions to that effect.
I'm not going to agree or disagree that the script may be bad. However,
I will put forth this scenario to explain the absense of Ed Bye. If he
was unavailable for the original shooting schedule and they got another
director on board, perhaps they just didn't feel it would be fair to
say, "Now that shooting has been postponed, you can just bugger off so
we can get Ed back". In other words, they many not have even reasked Ed
after filling his position with someone else. I'm sure there are many
capable directors in the UK who could do as good a job as Ed.
--
Starbugaboo
Max
<starb...@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> said:
>I'm not going to agree or disagree that the script may be bad. However,
>I will put forth this scenario to explain the absense of Ed Bye. If he
>was unavailable for the original shooting schedule and they got another
>director on board, perhaps they just didn't feel it would be fair to
>say, "Now that shooting has been postponed, you can just bugger off so
>we can get Ed back". In other words, they many not have even reasked Ed
>after filling his position with someone else. I'm sure there are many
>capable directors in the UK who could do as good a job as Ed.
Someone will have to confirm or deny this as I've not been paying
close enough attention, but I was under the impression that either
there is no crew slated for the job, including director, or that Doug
is planning to direct it himself. I don't remember where I picked up
either of these ideas. I haven't noticed any details of any other
director being in place, though.
Max
Starbugaboo
I haven't read either way that there is or is not another director lined
up. Doug just keeps referring to "we" haven't the money and "we" are
disappointed in the last minute loss of funding. So presumably he has
some core group of people in place which may or may not include a
director (either that or he's schizophrenic :)
I was just putting that forth as an alternative reason rather than
concluding that it's a bad script.
--
Starbugaboo
John Hoare
> But seriously, do you not think it a little suspicious? As I recall,
> they thought they had some actual funding lined up for the movie way
> back when I was still helping out at the fan club and that was in
> 1997. Ed Bye was dead set to direct, then dropped out because, they
> claimed, he wouldn't be available at the time of the shooting. He must
> have had some reason for dropping out, and if it was just that the
> proposed shooting time way back then clashed with something then he
> should have been able to join back up with the team by this point and
> there haven't been any suggestions to that effect. And, apart from the
> nutcase example, there has to be some reason why these people are
> saying they will put up money and then changing their minds. What do
> you imagine it is?
I always suspected that Ed dropped out because he couldn't put his
career on hold because of the setbacks to the date. But I guess we'll
never know for sure.
As for the money problems; I think it's just a combination of bad luck,
and the fact that it was always going to be incredibly difficult to
get a British SF film made. A budget of £12 million is a hell of a
lot for a British film, after all.
And we all know how difficult it is to make a film, even in Hollywood;
look at the amount of films in development hell there, and look at
the amount of successful films eventually released that lay there for
years.
> So, sure, I'm painting a bleak picture for the future of this movie,
> but that's because the news to date has been hollow promises and I'm
> hardly the only person who doesn't like the direction Red Dwarf has
> taken since the Grant & Naylor partnership crumbled. Throw a positive
> cheery outlook at the whole thing and you get... well, you get John
> and his website, actually. It's a bloody good website, it's well
> researched and it's packed with fresh content, but I do tend to find
> his firm optimism in the success of Red Dwarf: The Movie has a rather
> shallow basis.
It's interesting. There's two things that I can see that are against
the movie being good, as far as I can see; one major and one minor.
The minor one is that I'm pretty sure at least at some point that
they were planning on using a varient of the Re-mastered version of
the ship, seeing as the Corgi model (as yet unreleased; hopefully
coming in April/May, ironically) was like this, and was once deemed
as being from the movie. This may all have changed now, though. There's
an article about this on the Movie section of G&T, which is probably my
favourite article I've written just by myself.
Then there's the major one, or rather two - the quality of VII/VIII.
It is a fairly big reason to worry about the quality of the movie;
and yet I genuinely believe that the arguments given in "The movie
will be good" article on G&T are more than enough to give the script
the benefit of the doubt.
And that's the point, really - until we see the movie, or if it's
never made, see the script in book form - we'll never know. And if
we don't know, and there are reasons going for the movie, it's always
best not to keep having a downer about it - because there's plenty of
time for that after the movie (or book) is released. Believe me, if
the film/script is rubbish, G&T'd be the first site to slag it off.
But at the moment, it's just not that useful a thing to do; at least,
for a fan site. (We're certainly not positive on all aspects of things;
something which has got us into trouble in the past. Ahem.)
I have to say too, whilst I do think the movie will end up being made,
I was pretty certain that the funding was in place this time; only for
my hopes to be dashed again. Therefore, my comments to Col (and a few
others) in the past were a bit unfair, seeing as even Doug doesn't seem
to know whether it'll be made any more. So sorry, Col, and the other odd
person who has felt my wrath occasionally.
> As I said, though, fantastic site. It's kind of picked up where
> Smegweb trailed off and it's a great resource.
Thanks! It takes up far far too much of my time (and Ian's, too), so I'm
glad people like it. Oddly enough, I didn't have access to the net
much when RDW and Smegweb were around, so I don't even know what they
were like that much...
--
John Hoare
http://www.ganymede-titan.info/
"It just makes it look like we don't know what the hell we're doing!"
Tafka
>In message ID (<c1q8fj$gu8$1...@hercules.btinternet.com>) "Col"
><Reddw...@btinternet.com> said:
>
>>That's Max for you.
>>Not known for her joyous outlook on life.
>
>That only shows just how little you actually know about me.
>
[snip]
>As I said, though, fantastic site. It's kind of picked up where
>Smegweb trailed off and it's a great resource.
Ooh, thank you for that :)
I do agree though - I completely dropped out of the RD-scene following
RDW/SW's collapse (months after S8?) and since then I've missed a lot but
based on currently standings, John's website is probably the best one.
Even if it is very optimistic for a movie :)
I didn't look in depth, but - John? - have you got S7/S8 reviews (by you)
on your site? If so, could you point them out? I am interested in how the
'current' group of people who put so much time and effort into the
RD-scene thought about those series.
Thanks,
-Tafka-
Suck my thermos!
bewtifulfreak
> In message ID (<404394...@NOSPAM.yahoo.com>) Starbugaboo
> <starb...@NOSPAM.yahoo.com> said:
>
>> I'm not going to agree or disagree that the script may be bad.
>> However, I will put forth this scenario to explain the absense of Ed
>> Bye. If he was unavailable for the original shooting schedule and
>> they got another director on board, perhaps they just didn't feel it
>> would be fair to say, "Now that shooting has been postponed, you can
>> just bugger off so we can get Ed back". In other words, they many
>> not have even reasked Ed after filling his position with someone
>> else. I'm sure there are many capable directors in the UK who could
>> do as good a job as Ed.
>
> Someone will have to confirm or deny this as I've not been paying
> close enough attention, but I was under the impression that either
> there is no crew slated for the job, including director, or that Doug
> is planning to direct it himself.
There is indeed crew slated, and has been for awhile, as I remember from
what I've read on the official site, and as is confirmed at IMDb
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276447/fullcredits), although it does look
like Doug has chosen to direct it himself, so I don't know what that says
about the whole Ed Bye situation, unless Ed has just moved on that much that
he has no desire to go back, Doug's just gotten that involved now that he
doesn't feel he needs to call Ed back in, or some other situation we have no
way of knowing. Doug has been working on the movie a long time, apart from
the actual filming; I've seen storyboards on the site, he said the script is
done and honed, the cast and crew are commited, so it really does sound like
it's only a matter of money at the moment.
bewtifulfreak
LOL....it's amazing how much it rankles when someone else acts a mirror and
reflects a bit of ourselves! This is the first time I've actually heard you
say that, but it doesn't matter if it did take Max to get you to go there, I
*like*, I *like*! ;)
(And just so you know I'm not taking the piss, or am only doing so
playfully, this is an issue with which I am intimately familiar, struggling
against pessimism; my husband's cousin has affectionately knicknamed me
"Mrs. Negative", although I continue to work on my attitude, because I know
it only makes bad situations worse, and anyway, I really always have been a
Pollyana at heart....) :)
bewtifulfreak
Except that Doug said:
IGNFF: Would you turn around and try and do something with Red Dwarf on TV
[if the movie doesn't happen], returning to the series so at least there's
some closure?
NAYLOR: I wouldn't come back and do the series immediately, I don't think.
If we can't do the film, I would go nuts if I then came back and did the TV
series, because it would feel like - I had this script, and now we can't do
this script, and we're now having to do this other one. So I'd want to
probably go away and do something new.
So a made-for-TV special wouldn't happen any time soon, though I think it
would be kind of fun to have a Red Dwarf Christmas. :)
Col
> Col wrote:
> >
> > Sure, I have my doubts about the film, and I used to mope around
> > here saying it would never be made but this made me sound like a
> > miserable bastard, so I now prefer to hope that if it *is* made it
> > will be good. Better to be an optimist than a pessimist, well it's
> > more fun anyway :)
>
> LOL....it's amazing how much it rankles when someone else acts a mirror and
> reflects a bit of ourselves! This is the first time I've actually heard you
> say that, but it doesn't matter if it did take Max to get you to go there, I
> *like*, I *like*! ;)
Well I have said it before, perhaps not quite as explicitly as that but
said it all the same.
> (And just so you know I'm not taking the piss, or am only doing so
> playfully, this is an issue with which I am intimately familiar, struggling
> against pessimism; my husband's cousin has affectionately knicknamed me
> "Mrs. Negative", although I continue to work on my attitude, because I know
> it only makes bad situations worse, and anyway, I really always have been a
> Pollyana at heart....) :)
I'm 'glad' to hear it :)
bewtifulfreak
> "bewtifulfreak" <bewtif...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c20st2$1ni0aj$1...@ID-203359.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> Col wrote:
> > >
>>> Sure, I have my doubts about the film, and I used to mope around
>>> here saying it would never be made but this made me sound like a
>>> miserable bastard, so I now prefer to hope that if it *is* made it
>>> will be good. Better to be an optimist than a pessimist, well it's
>>> more fun anyway :)
>>
>> LOL....it's amazing how much it rankles when someone else acts a
>> mirror and reflects a bit of ourselves! This is the first time I've
>> actually heard you say that, but it doesn't matter if it did take
>> Max to get you to go there, I *like*, I *like*! ;)
>
> Well I have said it before, perhaps not quite as explicitly as that
> but
> said it all the same.
Have you? I'm sorry, I guess I missed it then, my bad! I just remember
your many proclaimations that the movie will never happen, it must have not
registered that that newly optimistic viewpoint was coming from the same
person. :)
>> (And just so you know I'm not taking the piss, or am only doing so
>> playfully, this is an issue with which I am intimately familiar,
>> struggling against pessimism; my husband's cousin has affectionately
>> knicknamed me "Mrs. Negative", although I continue to work on my
>> attitude, because I know it only makes bad situations worse, and
>> anyway, I really always have been a Pollyana at heart....) :)
>
> I'm 'glad' to hear it :)
Heehee....good, didn't want you to think I was being nasty, I was just very
surprised to hear that from you, albeit pleasantly, of course!
Gavin Clayton
>> As I said, though, fantastic site. It's kind of picked up where
>> Smegweb trailed off and it's a great resource.
>
>Thanks! It takes up far far too much of my time (and Ian's, too), so I'm
>glad people like it. Oddly enough, I didn't have access to the net
>much when RDW and Smegweb were around, so I don't even know what they
>were like that much...
>
>--
>John Hoare
>http://www.ganymede-titan.info/
I spent the night reading a lot of the site. Good website! Polished
and professional, except for one tiny niggle I have. It's a shame you
say "fuck" and "cunt" so much on the website. I'm not against swearing
in general, but I don't think it looks very professional on a website.
I would keep the level of swearing consistent with Red Dwarf itself:
maybe some "bastards" and even the odd "shit"; but no fucks or cunts.
Gavin Clayton
John Hoare
> I spent the night reading a lot of the site. Good website! Polished
> and professional, except for one tiny niggle I have. It's a shame you
> say "fuck" and "cunt" so much on the website. I'm not against swearing
> in general, but I don't think it looks very professional on a website.
Well, it's not really meant to be professional, I'm afraid. The writing
is meant to have a very informal style to it.
> I would keep the level of swearing consistent with Red Dwarf itself:
> maybe some "bastards" and even the odd "shit"; but no fucks or cunts.
I'll tell you why they're there; we find it funny. Simple as that.
We did briefly think of not doing it; but we felt that we just had
to use our own writing style in it.
Glad you like the rest of the site, though!
John Hoare
> I didn't look in depth, but - John? - have you got S7/S8 reviews (by you)
> on your site? If so, could you point them out? I am interested in how the
> 'current' group of people who put so much time and effort into the
> RD-scene thought about those series.
Hmmm. Oddly enough, there isn't any specific 7/8 reviews on the site.
There is for Series 1, and we keep meaning to do each series in
turn, but we just haven't had time recently. Although it's no
coincidence that my S1 reviews (in the Episodes section) contain the
odd jibe about VIII; not really fair, as I should have been concentrating
on the episode in question.
Here's a few articles that specifically mention VII/VIII, though:
http://www.ganymede-titan.info/articles/underfire.php
(I don't actually agree with all of that now; it was one of the first
articles we wrote for the site. Anyone, feel free to pick away at it. I
still like some of it, though.)
http://www.ganymede-titan.info/articles/viiisetting.php
(A bit awkwardly phrased at times, but an interesting discussion.)
http://www.ganymede-titan.info/movie/modelbehaviour.php
(Not relevant at all, but I'm proud of that article dammit.)
My personal views on VII/VIII are pretty simple; Not Nearly As Good As
The Previous Series. Each episode has some great moments in; but
equally, each episode has some awful moments in. I certainly wouldn't
go along with the view that they're worthless; but you'd be hard-pushed
to say they were even a 1/10th as good as the earlier stuff. Or,
indeed, as good as a lot of other sitcoms. There's still bits that make
me giggle every time I watch them though.
"No, sorry, I was looking at the baked potato timer by mistake. Will
people not leave that in here? It just makes it look like we don't
know what they hell we're doing!"
Oddly, if I want to watch Red Dwarf, more often than not it's VI that
I turn to; I really can't see why a lot of people don't think it's as
good as previous series. Perhaps it hasn't got as much emotional stuff
as previous series, but it more than makes up for it in the jokes
department.
Spleeph
I agree with just about every point that you made, John. Actually, I agree
with every point that you made, especially the baked potato timer thing.
There is not one RD episode that I absolutely hate. I think Series IV, V,
and VI are the best of the lot with a smattering of exceptional episodes
throughout the other 5 series. I haven't read any of those articles yet, but
I'm looking forward to it. It's great to know that there are some people out
there that share the same sense of humo(u)r as I do. So when your done with
it please wash it off and leave it somewhere where I can find it. Thanks.
--
Spleeph.
The great thing about democracy is that it gives every
voter a chance to do something stupid. - Art Spander
Hercule Platini
"Spleeph" <sple...@yahoonospam.com> wrote in message
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> Hercule Platini <ningy...@nobnob.com> stumbled out of the bar and
> spewed:
> > "Ozman Trad" <o...@underwearozmantrad.com> wrote in message
> > news:v78_b.64449$1S1....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> >>
> >
> >
> > Actually, I wouldn't mind some. But I prefer it with jam and, having
> > watched SEX LIVES OF THE POTATO MEN this afternoon, I've suddenly
> > lost my appetite for strawberry preserves. A full opinionated ramble
> > will appear on my livejournal, hopefully by tomorrow.
>
> Is the king of the Potato people in that?
It would have helped. An exploding helicopter would have helped. Archie,
Pete and Kill Crazy would have helped. In particular, a large blindfold
would have helped, so I would have been able to avoid the sight of Johnny
Vegas in his underwear partaking of a threesome, and endless scenes of
numerous ugly women having ugly sex with total morons.
--
You've reached Hercule Platini's Question of the Month!
Has anyone ever really won anything on the Readers Digest Prize Draw?
Hercule Platini
> >> Tafka wrote:
> >>
> >>> I find it interesting that there is just NO MONEY anymore... don't
> >>> BBC Worldwide finance films? Or at least in-part?
> >>
> >> That's what I was wondering; I didn't realize it was *that* hard to
> >> finance a movie, particularly one based on a successful series (I
> >> mean, for cryin' out loud, someone financed "Mario Brothers")!
> >
> >
> > I didn't actually hate Super Mario Brothers. I mean, it was utter
> > crap, but as big splashy effects-laden video games full of flashing
> > lights and pretty colours go, I've seen worse.
>
> fair example.... :)
Film financing is a funny business. Star Wars went to every studio in town
before Fox said yes. Raiders of the Lost Ark went to every studio before
Paramount said yes. One executive said once that "If I had said yes to
every film I turned down, and No to every film I took on, it would have
worked out much the same."
Someone thought that making a film of the Sega zombie game House of the Dead
was a good idea. I'm glad they did, because I kind of enjoyed the movie,
but there was a lot of Sega product placement in there as well.
> Our Scala here in Ilkeston still exists, amazingly enough....of course,
it's
> not like Ilkeston has enough hoppin' nightlife to justify destroying it in
> favor of a nightclub (and at any rate, it already has a few clubs, one of
> which was built where an old church used to stand, so that's enough
> nightclub-inflicted destruction for me, thank you very much). And,
> according to my husband, they've filmed a few things there that were
> supposed to take place in the 40s or 50s or whatever, because it still
looks
> like it did lo those many years ago (except for billboards advertising Spy
> Kids, et al, of course).
The London Scala was the greatest. Some of the most barking doolally
nutflap movies I've ever seen were in that cinema. I have to walk past it
to get to Kings Cross Thameslink sometimes, and I feel a twinge of nostalgia
for being there for so many great films (and some stinkers as well). Seeing
the wondrous Four Flies on Grey Velvet, The Bird With The Crystal Plumage,
The House By The Cemetery (this triple-billed with The Beyond and City of
the Living Dead), A Better Tomorrow 2 (the final 30-minute sequence of
bloody carnage drowned out by 400 crazed John Woo fans shrieking in delight
at the screen). Trying to sleep through Evil Dead 2 at three o'clock in the
morning. The utter hilarity of Rabid Grannies coming ten minutes after the
bleakness of Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Films no-one else has ever
seen: SP Somtow's Mayan sacrifice/rubber monster/gorefest The Laughing Dead;
bizarre psycho-athletics thriller Run For Your Life! with David Carradine
(so obscure the IMDB doesn't even list it); the sick art/perversion horror
of Nekromantik 2; cheapo British horror drivel The Comic (so bad the print
was almost booed of the screen and the director had to be given a police
escort out of the building). Trying to watch Peter Jackson's outrageous
Brain Dead with the reels in the wrong order. Seeing Taxi Driver in a print
so battered and worn that Martin Scorsese's credit no longer appeared. The
utter beauty of Saviour of the Soul. Russ Meyer, the insane Lucio Fulci,
ancient Roger Corman movies. Zsa Zsa Gabor's appalling Queen of Outer
Space, shot in a ratio so wide that the masking curtains wouldn't go back
that far. The terminal dullness of The Corpse Grinders and the ugly
strippers in Orgy of the Dead. Plan Nine From Outer Space and Glen or
Glenda. The incomprehensible and unheard of Tales From The Gimli Hospital.
The Filipino gibberish of Brides of Blood.
Hercule Platini
"Dominic" <notarealhot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I was indeed wondering whether they were worth getting, and it has to be
said that the isolated score cues are a big plus, especially if they can be
copied to the PC and thence to a CDR. Is there a piece of software I can
use to effect this process?
Hercule Platini
I'll go along with most of that.
Hercule Platini
"John Hoare" <jo...@ofla.info> wrote in message
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> It's interesting. There's two things that I can see that are against
> the movie being good, as far as I can see; one major and one minor.
>
> The minor one is that I'm pretty sure at least at some point that
> they were planning on using a varient of the Re-mastered version of
> the ship, seeing as the Corgi model (as yet unreleased; hopefully
> coming in April/May, ironically) was like this, and was once deemed
> as being from the movie. This may all have changed now, though. There's
> an article about this on the Movie section of G&T, which is probably my
> favourite article I've written just by myself.
>
> Then there's the major one, or rather two - the quality of VII/VIII.
> It is a fairly big reason to worry about the quality of the movie;
> and yet I genuinely believe that the arguments given in "The movie
> will be good" article on G&T are more than enough to give the script
> the benefit of the doubt.
Well, this is true, but I think the fact that they went back to video, live
audience and Rimmer for Series 8 indicates they took notice of what people
said were the main things wrong with Series 7. I'd also think that time
constraints have not been nearly as burdensome on The Motion Picture as they
may have been on the show. He's had years to tune, retune, fiddle and
tinker with it and fine tune it to within an inch of its life.
> And that's the point, really - until we see the movie, or if it's
> never made, see the script in book form - we'll never know.
True. Potential investors have the same problem: they see the script, and
drawings and storyboard ideas and such, but they don't actually know.
Nobody knows.
Hercule Platini
"Peter Chant" <pe...@petezilla.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <c1lffm$rbk$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>,
> "Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> writes:
> >
> > Many years ago I saw a monumentally revolting British horror-comedy
called
> > THE REVENGE OF BILLY THE KID (no, not a Western despite the title).
This
>
> Did you ever see 'I bought a Vampire Motorcycle'. I rather enjoyed it
> though I think that you need to drink a couple of pints first to get
> in the mood.
I was at the UK premiere of that film. Great fun, nicely played. Seems to
have disappeared into obscurity, though.
Hercule Platini
> As for the money problems; I think it's just a combination of bad luck,
> and the fact that it was always going to be incredibly difficult to
> get a British SF film made. A budget of £12 million is a hell of a
> lot for a British film, after all.
This, I'd imagine, can't have been helped by recent changes to the tax
legislation which have had such people as John Malkovich bemoaning the
government's attitude.
> And we all know how difficult it is to make a film, even in Hollywood;
> look at the amount of films in development hell there, and look at
> the amount of successful films eventually released that lay there for
> years.
The Bodyguard was originally written for Steve McQueen, which shows how long
that one's been lying around, because he's been dead for well over 20 years
now.
Hercule Platini
>
> http://www.ganymede-titan.info/articles/underfire.php
>
> (I don't actually agree with all of that now; it was one of the first
> articles we wrote for the site. Anyone, feel free to pick away at it. I
> still like some of it, though.)
>
> http://www.ganymede-titan.info/articles/viiisetting.php
>
> (A bit awkwardly phrased at times, but an interesting discussion.)
>
> http://www.ganymede-titan.info/movie/modelbehaviour.php
>
> (Not relevant at all, but I'm proud of that article dammit.)
I shall try and look at these at some point.
Hercule Platini
news:<kgu8401ci065dl6hv...@4ax.com>...
>
> > I spent the night reading a lot of the site. Good website! Polished
> > and professional, except for one tiny niggle I have. It's a shame you
> > say "fuck" and "cunt" so much on the website. I'm not against swearing
> > in general, but I don't think it looks very professional on a website.
>
> Well, it's not really meant to be professional, I'm afraid. The writing
> is meant to have a very informal style to it.
Well, this is where I have a problem. There's informal, and there's just
crude. One of the things I didn't mention when I wrote about Sex Lives of
the Potato Men on my livejournal was the language, which is very strong and
frequent. Now the reason I didn't mention it was because in the context of
the film - sexual misadventures of a pair of ugly Walsall tossers - that
level of language isn't inappropriate. It would be inappropriate in Sense
and Sensibility or Carry On Up The Khyber or The Fugitive. Equally, the
*lack* of bad language in, say, Platoon or Boyz N The Hood or Reservoir Dogs
would weaken the films.
> > I would keep the level of swearing consistent with Red Dwarf itself:
> > maybe some "bastards" and even the odd "shit"; but no fucks or cunts.
>
> I'll tell you why they're there; we find it funny. Simple as that.
It's never funny. There's one great, brilliantly clever joke about bleeping
the F-word, in John Water's Cry-Baby. Other than that one instance, I can't
think of a single time when either the F or C word was funny.
> We did briefly think of not doing it; but we felt that we just had
> to use our own writing style in it.
But then you don't use that language in atvrd.
bewtifulfreak
>>> I didn't actually hate Super Mario Brothers. I mean, it was utter
>>> crap, but as big splashy effects-laden video games full of flashing
>>> lights and pretty colours go, I've seen worse.
>>
>> Well, I haven't actually seen it myself, so maybe that wasn't an
>> entirely fair example.... :)
>
> Film financing is a funny business. Star Wars went to every studio
> in town before Fox said yes. Raiders of the Lost Ark went to every
> studio before Paramount said yes. One executive said once that "If I
> had said yes to every film I turned down, and No to every film I took
> on, it would have worked out much the same."
That's a very good point....a high percentage of the decisions made by film
executives/backers has got to be pretty subjective, because as you said, who
knows how something is going to be received before it's made, quality
notwithstanding.
bewtifulfreak
> "John Hoare" <jo...@ofla.info> wrote in message
>> And we all know how difficult it is to make a film, even in
>> Hollywood; look at the amount of films in development hell there,
>> and look at
>> the amount of successful films eventually released that lay there for
>> years.
>
> The Bodyguard was originally written for Steve McQueen, which shows
> how long that one's been lying around, because he's been dead for
> well over 20 years now.
*Dang*, I did not know that, that's some *serious* development hell....!
Col
>
> >
>
> I was at the UK premiere of that film. Great fun, nicely played. Seems to
> have disappeared into obscurity, though.
>
'Return of the Surfboarding Killer Bikini Vampire Motorcycles'?
Or did that one slip you by?
> --
> You've reached Hercule Platini's Question of the Month!
>
> Has anyone ever really won anything on the Readers Digest Prize Draw?
It's always Mrs B. from Hampshire.........
Mr Flibble
> I was indeed wondering whether they were worth getting, and it has to be
> said that the isolated score cues are a big plus, especially if they can be
> copied to the PC and thence to a CDR. Is there a piece of software I can
> use to effect this process?
Well. I don't have a DVD player on my PC so I do it like this:
1) Cable from output of DVD player to line in of PC
2) Start sound recording program (CoolEdit or something)
3) Play DVD
4) Once stopped, spend hours chopping it up into different files.
5) Burn to CDR.
--
Mr Flibble
Who'd clear up the mess?!
Dominic
news:40498fc7$1...@news.umist.ac.uk...
That's how I'd do it. Preferably optical, but phono should be fine. I
haven't actually tried it with a PC DVD player, but I imagine the process
would be something along the lines of...
Find some half-legitimate piece of software that lets you rip the
audio-track from a DVD... find that audio track on the DVD, rip it, and go
to step 4. What software that would be, though, I do not know. Or, if your
soundcard lets you record whatever the output to the speakers, or the wave
device, then you could do it from step 2, playing the DVD on your PC. The
downside to this may be that if your PC played any other sound, such as a
'Ding!', this would probably be included. If you have an external DVD player
(your parents' one, I believe?), Flibble's way is probably easier. Unless!
You quickly found the software to rip audiotracks, *and* there was an
individual track for each cue. In which case, there'd probably be no quality
loss, and they'd already be cropped to the right size.
Dominic
> >
> > Well. I don't have a DVD player on my PC so I do it like this:
> >
> > 1) Cable from output of DVD player to line in of PC
> > 2) Start sound recording program (CoolEdit or something)
> > 3) Play DVD
> > 4) Once stopped, spend hours chopping it up into different files.
> > 5) Burn to CDR.
>
> That's how I'd do it. Preferably optical, but phono should be fine. I
> haven't actually tried it with a PC DVD player, but I imagine the process
> would be something along the lines of...
>
> Find some half-legitimate piece of software that lets you rip the
> audio-track from a DVD... find that audio track on the DVD, rip it, and go
> to step 4. What software that would be, though, I do not know. Or, if your
> soundcard lets you record whatever the output to the speakers, or the wave
> device, then you could do it from step 2, playing the DVD on your PC. The
> downside to this may be that if your PC played any other sound, such as a
> 'Ding!', this would probably be included. If you have an external DVD
player
> (your parents' one, I believe?), Flibble's way is probably easier. Unless!
> You quickly found the software to rip audiotracks, *and* there was an
> individual track for each cue. In which case, there'd probably be no
quality
> loss, and they'd already be cropped to the right size.
Or, you could use the teleporter.
bewtifulfreak
LOL! :D
John Hoare
> Well, this is where I have a problem. There's informal, and there's
> just crude. One of the things I didn't mention when I wrote about
> Sex Lives of the Potato Men on my livejournal was the language, which
> is very strong and frequent. Now the reason I didn't mention it was
> because in the context of the film - sexual misadventures of a pair of
> ugly Walsall tossers - that level of language isn't inappropriate. It
> would be inappropriate in Sense and Sensibility or Carry On Up The Khyber
> or The Fugitive. Equally, the *lack* of bad language in, say, Platoon
> or Boyz N The Hood or Reservoir Dogs would weaken the films.
The thing is, though - why do people find the bad language offensive?
There's nothing instrinsically offensive about the term "cunt" or "fuck"
- it's how it's used that is the problem. For instance: I'd be quite
offended if someone called me an idiot and meant it; but my friends call
me a cunt all the time, and believe it or not, it's done affectionately.
Therefore, I'm not offended.
> It's never funny. There's one great, brilliantly clever joke about
> bleeping the F-word, in John Water's Cry-Baby. Other than that one
> instance, I can't think of a single time when either the F or C word
> was funny.
No, what you mean is that it's never funny to *you*. You can't deny that
I find it funny, seeing as I laugh at it. Comedy is subjective.
> But then you don't use that language in atvrd.
Well, G&T is *my* site (well, co-run with Ian) - I can do what I want
on it, and do - and it has to have our voice. On ATVRD, some people might
be offended (see above, though; I don't really see why), and seeing as
I'm not in charge, I don't.
If you don't like it, don't read it. G&T isn't meant for everyone.
bewtifulfreak
> "Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> wrote
>> But then you don't use that language in atvrd.
>
> Well, G&T is *my* site (well, co-run with Ian) - I can do what I want
> on it, and do - and it has to have our voice. On ATVRD, some people
> might
> be offended (see above, though; I don't really see why), and seeing as
> I'm not in charge, I don't.
>
> If you don't like it, don't read it. G&T isn't meant for everyone.
I respect the fact that you choose to use more discretion on a public forum;
that shows a form of common courtesy that is a rare commodity these days.
That said, one's own website is indeed a different case, and if people don't
like the language you use there, they can "change the channel", if you will.
I do see Hercule's point of view, as I think those words tend to be overused
a lot these days (particularly the F one), to ill effect, but after checking
out several articles that you've linked here, I don't remember actually
reading those words on your site, so I wouldn't think your usage is
particularly excessive.
Peter Chant
"Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> writes:
>> Did you ever see 'I bought a Vampire Motorcycle'. I rather enjoyed it
>> though I think that you need to drink a couple of pints first to get
>> in the mood.
>
>
> I was at the UK premiere of that film. Great fun, nicely played. Seems to
> have disappeared into obscurity, though.
I rather liked the cross effect use to cut between the sceans where theyhad
the vicar and his trike.
Peter Chant
"Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> writes:
>
> The Bodyguard was originally written for Steve McQueen, which shows how long
> that one's been lying around, because he's been dead for well over 20 years
> now.
Get him to re-make it, it can only improve.
John Hoare
> I respect the fact that you choose to use more discretion on a public
> forum; that shows a form of common courtesy that is a rare commodity
> these days. That said, one's own website is indeed a different case, and
> if people don't like the language you use there, they can "change the
> channel", if you will.
Thanks. On some forums, of course, I swear quite a lot; other people do,
and it fits the mood of the place. But the last thing you want to do is
barge onto somewhere and irritate everyone.
> I do see Hercule's point of view, as I think those words tend to be
> overused a lot these days (particularly the F one), to ill effect, but
> after checking out several articles that you've linked here, I don't
> remember actually reading those words on your site, so I wouldn't think
> your usage is particularly excessive.
You probably would on some articles :-) But yes, sometimes it isn't used
at all - and sometimes it is used a lot. I think we haven't done it
a huge amount recently; we've calmed down a bit. Although it is used
a bit.
Interestingly, we used to use a lot of toilet humour on the site; that's
calmed down a bit recently too, as I've got a new set of "hilarious"
jokes. It'll probably return in a bit, though; the mood of my writing
tends to come in waves. But that's another example of why I can't really
let what other people think dictate my writing: we've had complaints
about the toilet humour, too. Where do you draw the line as to what to
write? The only thing I tend to listen to is if people think I've been
specifically very offensive to someone; which isn't really on.
I'd hope that a bit of swearing and rude jokes was far more preferable
to the trap that I try and make sure G&T never falls into: self-
importance. I take the piss out of Dwarf, and the site, at every
opportunity - because I'm sick of reading sites that read like the
writers think they're doing something incredibly important. Indeed,
the swearing and rude jokes are part of what counters this, in a way.
John Hoare
> Well, this is true, but I think the fact that they went back to video,
> live audience and Rimmer for Series 8 indicates they took notice of what
> people said were the main things wrong with Series 7. I'd also think that
> time constraints have not been nearly as burdensome on The Motion Picture
> as they may have been on the show. He's had years to tune, retune, fiddle
> and tinker with it and fine tune it to within an inch of its life.
Absolutely. I 100% agree.
</aol>, or something.
Gavin Clayton
>The thing is, though - why do people find the bad language offensive?
I don't find the words offensive. After all, how can you hurt someone
by emitting a certain sound from your throat? Or writing a certain
combination of letters? Sounds ridiculous.
And I even think swearing can sometimes be funny, when you take the
flat harsh syllables of swear words to be creative with language.
But swearing also needs context, and I don't think a Red Dwarf website
gives appropriate context to call people "fucking cunts" or to use the
word "cunting" as an adjective.
>but my friends call
>me a cunt all the time, and believe it or not, it's done affectionately.
>Therefore, I'm not offended.
Not everyone lives in areas where people talk like that, or socialises
in peer groups that talk like that. *I* would be offended if a friend
called me a fucking cunt, because my peer group does not talk like
that. You'll find that a *lot* of peer groups don't talk like that.
Do you intend for people outside of your own peer group to read your
website? I think Red Dwarf fans cover a wide spectrum, and not all of
them appreciate the word "cunt" in daily language.
And please don't insinuate that people offended by swearing are
somehow "lesser" than you... that they never learned to be progressive
and modern like you... that they must be uptight and inhibited. Be
careful not to imply that.
>Well, G&T is *my* site (well, co-run with Ian) - I can do what I want
>on it, and do
You have a valid point... if your website is intended to be read by 50
of your closest friends. But I can't help thinking that the hard work
you put into the site is for a wider audience. As I said above, not
everyone in that wider audience likes to call each other fucking
cunts. And if your attitude is: "Don't read the website then"... well,
that wouldn't make you sound very good.
It sounds sucky and boring, but the fact is, when you choose to
provide a service you must exercise responsibility to all users of
that service. You're not providing a service for your mates down the
pub who call each other cunts. You're providing a service for Red
Dwarf fans around the world, some of whom don't call each other cunts.
>and it has to have our voice.
That's a good point. It's where the creativity and individuality come
from. It's what separates your site from the competition (if there was
any competition). But I think the primary voice of a Red Dwarf website
would be a Dwarf-style voice. The same tone as the show, the same
level of swearing as the show. Put simply, the "tone" is jarring
because it doesn't sound like Lister... we've never heard Lister call
someone a fucking cunt.
>If you don't like it, don't read it. G&T isn't meant for everyone.
That's a shame. There's so much good stuff there. I can ignore the
swearing and appreciate all the good effort you've put in. But it's a
shame if someone decides not to read the good articles because they
are put off by the cunting fucking swearing that presents them.
Gavin Clayton
bewtifulfreak
> On 6 Mar 2004 10:03:55 -0800, jo...@ofla.info (John Hoare) wrote:
>
>> The thing is, though - why do people find the bad language offensive?
>
> I don't find the words offensive. After all, how can you hurt someone
> by emitting a certain sound from your throat? Or writing a certain
> combination of letters? Sounds ridiculous.
>
> And I even think swearing can sometimes be funny, when you take the
> flat harsh syllables of swear words to be creative with language.
>
> But swearing also needs context, and I don't think a Red Dwarf website
> gives appropriate context to call people "fucking cunts" or to use the
> word "cunting" as an adjective.
> Do you intend for people outside of your own peer group to read your
> website? I think Red Dwarf fans cover a wide spectrum, and not all of
> them appreciate the word "cunt" in daily language.
>> and it has to have our voice.
>
> That's a good point. It's where the creativity and individuality come
> from. It's what separates your site from the competition (if there was
> any competition). But I think the primary voice of a Red Dwarf website
> would be a Dwarf-style voice. The same tone as the show, the same
> level of swearing as the show. Put simply, the "tone" is jarring
> because it doesn't sound like Lister... we've never heard Lister call
> someone a fucking cunt.
>> If you don't like it, don't read it. G&T isn't meant for everyone.
>
> That's a shame. There's so much good stuff there. I can ignore the
> swearing and appreciate all the good effort you've put in. But it's a
> shame if someone decides not to read the good articles because they
> are put off by the cunting fucking swearing that presents them.
It's a blessing and a curse of mine to usually be able to see both sides of
a coin, and I think Gavin has made some fine points here as well. My site
is a personal site, not even a fan site (well, I actually do have a fan site
within it as well), and, although I curse quite a bit in real life, I can't
think of a specific instance on my site where I do. Yes, it's completely
personal, and, save for the fan site, intended mostly for close friends,
although I'm happy for anyone else to stumble across and enjoy it. But I'm
also aware of how I'm chosing to put myself across, and that anyone might
read it. I do have some poetry on there that could be interpretted as a bit
heavy or risque, and in that respect, I do say 'take it or leave it'. But I
think Gavin has a really good point about the site not only reflecting your
voice, but the overall voice of Dwarf, and although Lister says 'smeg' an
awful lot, which, in it's usage, can easily be taken as the 21st/23rd
century version of 'fuck', neither he nor any of the other characters
actually use that sort of language. And I actually might have responded a
bit differently in my previous post if I *had* actually read those words in
any of the articles I came across; while I'm *waaaay* far from prudish, I
think what impressed me about your site and the articles was the
professionalism. Words like that would seem a bit out of place there,
though I do agree there are appropriate forums for such language.
I know I may seem a bit like that guy on Fast Show, who changes his opinion
back and forth the minute anyone expresses one counter, but, as I said, I do
have an regular tendancy to see both sides of the coin. And, as I said
before, while you're perfectly within rights to write on your site any way
you chose, I do think Gavin has some very good points as well, that it
doesn't quite fit the context of the site (as it was, it was a bit jarring
to read the whole "asshole" thing, and that was something Kryten actually
said in a deleted scene(!), though I think perhaps it was deleted for a
reason), and it would be a terrible shame if the language alone caused
people to "change the channel", as it really is a site with a lot to offer.
Col
>
> That's a shame. There's so much good stuff there. I can ignore the
> swearing and appreciate all the good effort you've put in. But it's a
> shame if someone decides not to read the good articles because they
> are put off by the cunting fucking swearing that presents them.
When I first read your comments regarding this I thought you
might be over reacting and was expecting to disagree with you.
However before I passed comment I thought I'd have a proper
look around the site, and you know what, I pretty much agree
with what you have said.
It's an excellent site with a very professional feel to it, but when
I'm reading a perfectly sensible article about RD it jars somewhat,
to say the least, to be suddenly confronted with the word 'fuck'.
It just doesn't feel right in the general context of what the site is
attempting to project.
Now I'm no prude and swear myself (probably too often) but I
feel that swearing has it's place and casual use of it in what
is otherwise an excellent fansite detracts from it somewhat.
However I take John's point that it's his website and may do
with it as he pleases, but for me personally, I think the swearing
spoils it.
Spleeph
Yeah! I want to see titties!
--
Spleeph.
Truly great madness cannot be achieved without
significant intelligence. - Henrik Tikkanen
Max
Clayton <gavinc...@dsl.pipex.com> said:
>That's a good point. It's where the creativity and individuality come
>from. It's what separates your site from the competition (if there was
>any competition). But I think the primary voice of a Red Dwarf website
>would be a Dwarf-style voice. The same tone as the show, the same
>level of swearing as the show. Put simply, the "tone" is jarring
>because it doesn't sound like Lister... we've never heard Lister call
>someone a fucking cunt.
Red Dwarf swears all the time. "Let's get out there and twat it",
"Bastard" and so on. When they want to swear and can't use the words
that's when they throw in "smeg". I think the books may have had
swearing that they couldn't have managed to get away with on TV. But I
think that the relaxed voice and tone of the site are very much in
keeping with a lads magazine, it has that sort of a feel to it. Don't
tell me that "Loaded" and its ilk are intended for no one but John and
his 50 mates, cos I'll just laugh at you.
Some people won't like the tone and the voice, but I think it's a
perfectly appropriate one and also a very honest one. You feel that
the articles are written with feeling because, well, because they are.
The whole site is a labour of love and although you might think it's
cutting out a part of its audience share it's doing just fine without
those people. And even if you're not keen on the way that the info is
put across, if you're really into the RD scene and the news and the
insights you can get you'd be a fool not to read the site because it's
got fresh new content and stuff that's never appeared anywhere else
before.
John, are you still at school? Whether you are or not, depending on
what you're applying for, if you're ever putting out a CV or filling
in an application form give serious thought to putting down details of
the site because it's an impressive piece of work with a decent
following.
Max
Gavin Clayton
>Red Dwarf swears all the time. "Let's get out there and twat it",
>"Bastard" and so on.
Here's the devil with my advocaat. Hi Max.
>When they want to swear and can't use the words
>that's when they throw in "smeg".
It's cute that Rob and Doug invented a way for them to
swear-without-swearing. But I disagree if you think Lister *would*
have said fuck and cunt if television rules allowed it. Red Dwarf
would have been a completely different show with a completely
different audience. We're talking about a BBC sitcom, not
Trainspotting.
>But I
>think that the relaxed voice and tone of the site are very much in
>keeping with a lads magazine, it has that sort of a feel to it. Don't
>tell me that "Loaded" and its ilk are intended for no one but John and
>his 50 mates, cos I'll just laugh at you.
Loaded and its ilk are intended for "lads": males in their late teens
and 20s who enjoy fulfilling the "lad" stereotype.
I admit that a great deal of Dwarf fans are also males in their late
teens and early 20s. But you know very well this is not 100% of Dwarf
fans. You know very well that there are women, children, middle-aged
people, etc, who are also fans of the show.
A "Loaded" voice only appeals to some Red Dwarf fans. The reason I
argue in favour of a "Red Dwarf" voice is because that is the only
uniting voice -- the only voice that is proven to appeal to *all*
fans. Not just the blokey students who call each other cunts down the
pub.
>Some people won't like the tone and the voice, but I think it's a
>perfectly appropriate one
Most of the writing is very appropriate, yes. Perhaps I do a
disservice by criticising the swearing. There are whole articles with
no swearing and they are very good. What puts me off is that on the
main page there is an article entitled: "Ian, you cunt". It makes me
not want to read the well-written material within. I had no idea who
Ian was, or why he was being called a cunt, and my overall impression
was: "Oh this is just a bunch of students having a laugh... there's
nothing for me to read here." It's a good job I saw past that.
>And even if you're not keen on the way that the info is
>put across, if you're really into the RD scene and the news and the
>insights you can get you'd be a fool not to read the site because it's
>got fresh new content and stuff that's never appeared anywhere else
>before.
I read the site anyway, hence I am not a fool. But I wouldn't call
someone a fool when "Ian, you cunt" on the front page makes them turn
away. There are children, religious people, housewives... all kinds of
people who may be turned away. Then there are people at work who have
their internet access strictly controlled, blocking wesbites with
swearing, or raising red flags in that employee's profile.
I can't really take debate with you, Max. I'm not really good at this
debating lark, huh? So I'll finish.
Gavin Clayton
bewtifulfreak
> Col <Reddw...@btinternet.com> stumbled out of the bar and spewed:
>> However I take John's point that it's his website and may do
>> with it as he pleases, but for me personally, I think the swearing
>> spoils it.
> Yeah! I want to see titties!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/37l8b
LOL....was this a groupie shot to be sent to (one of) the guys on the show,
or what? Last thing I ever expected to see relating to Red Dwarf....!
Max
Clayton <gavinc...@dsl.pipex.com> said:
>I read the site anyway, hence I am not a fool. But I wouldn't call
>someone a fool when "Ian, you cunt" on the front page makes them turn
>away. There are children, religious people, housewives... all kinds of
>people who may be turned away. Then there are people at work who have
>their internet access strictly controlled, blocking wesbites with
>swearing, or raising red flags in that employee's profile.
The thing it comes down to is this: you think that these people are
into Red Dwarf and the spirit of Red Dwarf yet the site is somehow
different. I disagree. I think that Lister and his cronies might well
have called Rimmer a cunt at several points if it weren't a TV taboo.
Take it a bit further and look at all the prostitution gags in
Infinity and the hideous stuff that happens in Backwards (the book)
and I think you'll have a hard time arguing that Red Dwarf is good
clean wholesome fun suitable for the religious types who want to see
the internet through net-nanny blinkers. Red Dwarf ain't a kiddie
show, never was, and Rob Grant at least has said in the past that he
feels a tad concerned when eight year olds come along at the signings
and ask for autographs.
Swearing for fun and laughs is juvenile. It's not rare. And it's not
failing to be in keeping with what Red Dwarf itself does.
Max
Spleeph
spewed:
> Spleeph wrote:
>> Col <Reddw...@btinternet.com> stumbled out of the bar and spewed:
>
>>> However I take John's point that it's his website and may do
>>> with it as he pleases, but for me personally, I think the swearing
>>> spoils it.
>
>> Yeah! I want to see titties!
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/37l8b
>
> LOL....was this a groupie shot to be sent to (one of) the guys on the
> show, or what? Last thing I ever expected to see relating to Red
> Dwarf....!
Actuall, it's a joke website. You can plug in any name:
http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php
;-)
--
Spleeph.
Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados
are both called users? - Clifford Stoll
bewtifulfreak
> bewtifulfreak <bewtif...@hotmail.com> stumbled out of the bar and
> spewed:
>> Spleeph wrote:
>>> Col <Reddw...@btinternet.com> stumbled out of the bar and spewed:
>>
>>>> However I take John's point that it's his website and may do
>>>> with it as he pleases, but for me personally, I think the swearing
>>>> spoils it.
>>
>>> Yeah! I want to see titties!
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/37l8b
>>
>> LOL....was this a groupie shot to be sent to (one of) the guys on the
>> show, or what? Last thing I ever expected to see relating to Red
>> Dwarf....!
>
> Actuall, it's a joke website. You can plug in any name:
>
> http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php
>
> ;-)
Ahhhhhh....I *wondered*....!
g2k
> Spleeph wrote:
> > bewtifulfreak <bewtif...@hotmail.com> stumbled out of the bar and
> > spewed:
> >> Spleeph wrote:
> >>> Col <Reddw...@btinternet.com> stumbled out of the bar and spewed:
>
> >>>> However I take John's point that it's his website and may do
> >>>> with it as he pleases, but for me personally, I think the swearing
> >>>> spoils it.
>
> >>> Yeah! I want to see titties!
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/37l8b
> >>
> >> LOL....was this a groupie shot to be sent to (one of) the guys on the
> >> show, or what? Last thing I ever expected to see relating to Red
> >> Dwarf....!
> >
> > Actuall, it's a joke website. You can plug in any name:
> >
> > http://www.patrick.fm/boobies/boobies.php
> >
> > ;-)
>
> Ahhhhhh....I *wondered*....!
yeah, I did that... then I sat down.
garth
Hercule Platini
"Col" <Reddw...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > >
> >
> > I was at the UK premiere of that film. Great fun, nicely played. Seems
to
> > have disappeared into obscurity, though.
> >
> Ah but did you see the sequel,
> 'Return of the Surfboarding Killer Bikini Vampire Motorcycles'?
>
> Or did that one slip you by?
I deliberately missed that one because it had Jennifer Aniston in it.
> > Has anyone ever really won anything on the Readers Digest Prize Draw?
>
> It's always Mrs B. from Hampshire.........
Not always: I lodged with a Mrs B when I lived in Portsmouth, and I don't
think she ever won anything on Readers Digest.
Hercule Platini
"Peter Chant" <pe...@petezilla.co.uk> wrote in message
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Well, like I say, it's pretty obscure now. In fact I haven't seen the thing
since February 17th, 1990, at the Metro in Ashton-Under-Lyne.
Hercule Platini
"Dominic" <notarealhot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Okay, I bought Series 2 on DVD the other day.
I haven't had a chance to look at the disc structure yet. The isloated cues
are all grouped together on Disc 2, and many of the underscore tracks are
further grouped under Space (4 pieces), Character (8 pieces), Background
(???) and something else. I'd expected them to be a separate audio track
playable with the show, so you'd get picture but no sound except for the
music. This is something I'm going to have to look into.
Hercule Platini
"Max" <m...@hawkida.com> wrote in message
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> John, are you still at school? Whether you are or not, depending on
> what you're applying for, if you're ever putting out a CV or filling
> in an application form give serious thought to putting down details of
> the site because it's an impressive piece of work with a decent
> following.
I'd actually argue against that. A lot of swearing, particularly F and C,
may hinder rather than help if a potential employer did indeed check it out.
Hercule Platini
> On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 12:08:37 +0000, Max <m...@hawkida.com> wrote:
>
> >Red Dwarf swears all the time. "Let's get out there and twat it",
> >"Bastard" and so on.
>
> Here's the devil with my advocaat. Hi Max.
>
>
> >When they want to swear and can't use the words
> >that's when they throw in "smeg".
>
> It's cute that Rob and Doug invented a way for them to
> swear-without-swearing. But I disagree if you think Lister *would*
> have said fuck and cunt if television rules allowed it. Red Dwarf
> would have been a completely different show with a completely
> different audience. We're talking about a BBC sitcom, not
> Trainspotting.
One of the reasons they don't really swear is not because they're not
allowed to. They are allowed to - pretty much anything goes if you
broadcast a warning first and show it late enough at night, apart from
racially abusive language (and in some circumstances, such as a show ABOUT
racial hatred, you can get away with that). Unlike the US broadcast
networks (ABC and the like). The characters in Friends, say, sleep around
like there's no tomorrow but not one of them will ever say F*** because the
following morning Warners will be forced by their shareholders to fire
several senior TV executives without notice. They don't swear in Red Dwarf
for the simple reason that they don't want to. It might have been harder to
get the series into production, and it would probably not have lasted for 8
series, but if they'd wanted to sprinkle or shovel the Fs in there, they
could have.
And I'll still maintain that's because of the context: the swearing would
feel out of place in Red Dwarf just as if it WASN'T there in Trainspotting
or Platoon.
Hercule Platini
"John Hoare" <jo...@ofla.info> wrote in message
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> "Hercule Platini" <ningy...@nobnob.com> wrote in message
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> > Well, this is where I have a problem. There's informal, and there's
> > just crude. One of the things I didn't mention when I wrote about
> > Sex Lives of the Potato Men on my livejournal was the language, which
> > is very strong and frequent. Now the reason I didn't mention it was
> > because in the context of the film - sexual misadventures of a pair of
> > ugly Walsall tossers - that level of language isn't inappropriate. It
> > would be inappropriate in Sense and Sensibility or Carry On Up The
Khyber
> > or The Fugitive. Equally, the *lack* of bad language in, say, Platoon
> > or Boyz N The Hood or Reservoir Dogs would weaken the films.
>
> The thing is, though - why do people find the bad language offensive?
> There's nothing instrinsically offensive about the term "cunt" or "fuck"
> - it's how it's used that is the problem. For instance: I'd be quite
> offended if someone called me an idiot and meant it; but my friends call
> me a cunt all the time, and believe it or not, it's done affectionately.
> Therefore, I'm not offended.
Why do people find it offensive? Good question. It does indeed seem crazy
that people are quite happy to watch four people get brutally murdered on A
Touch of Frost but will write in to the broadcasting regulations if someone
says uses one of an apparently arbitrary handful of words, many of which
have been, at one time or another, perfectly acceptable to use in polite
conversation. The BBFC, incredibly, used to get more complaints about
language than anything else: which is why they're so hard on it. Whilst
violence is shaded by degree in terms of explicitness, goriness, context or
the possibility of imitation, and classified accordingly, the use of the
F-word is still an automatic 12A certificate, and an automatic 15 if used
more than twice. Why? Because otherwise people will complain and kick up a
stink. It doesn't matter whether it's used as an expletive ("Oh f***!") or
a verb ("Are you f***ing my wife?"). They have a certain leeway between 15
and 18, depending on frequency and whether it's aggressive or
conversational, but I suspect that a PG rated film with the F-word in it is
still a long way off.
I'm sure, equally, that the BBC doesn't want to announce that "the following
programme contains material you might not like". They don't want, in
effect, to give people a reason to switch the programme off before it's
started.
It's a cultural thing. Most swear words are either to do with sex or the
lavatory; these are two of the main pillars of British comedic culture.
> > It's never funny. There's one great, brilliantly clever joke about
> > bleeping the F-word, in John Water's Cry-Baby. Other than that one
> > instance, I can't think of a single time when either the F or C word
> > was funny.
>
> No, what you mean is that it's never funny to *you*. You can't deny that
> I find it funny, seeing as I laugh at it. Comedy is subjective.
Well, I'm not sure it's a case of not getting the joke, rather it's a case
of not being sure there IS a joke. I can say that I would not be impressed
if a friend of mine called me a c***.
Gavin Clayton
<ningy...@nobnob.com> wrote:
>One of the reasons they don't really swear is not because they're not
>allowed to. They are allowed to - pretty much anything goes if you
>broadcast a warning first and show it late enough at night
>They don't swear in Red Dwarf
>for the simple reason that they don't want to.
Yup, I agree. If Red Dwarf attempted to achieve *realism*, Lister
would swear very crudely. I'm sure realistic "Ken Loach" Lister would
call Rimmer a cunt very frequently. But being a BBC sitcom (albeit an
unconventional one) we know these characters exist in a universe where
"cunt" and "fuck" aren't words in their vocabulary.
And you wouldn't *want* those words in Lister's vocabulary. The tone
of the show would be so utterly different that Red Dwarf fandom would
be completely different. There would never have been an
alt.tv.red-dwarf with a fanbase of girls, boys, men, women, students,
housewives, grandmothers, etc. There would be no goofiness here,
because the show would not have contained the goofiness and
naughty-schoolboy toliet humour that inspires us. "Rimmer, you're a
cunt" just isn't funny, and would not cause the same type of fun
friendship between fans.
However, when Max offered the opposite opinion to the one above, it
got me thinking, and I tried replacing "smeg" with "cunt" to see what
it sounded like:
Rimmer: "Lister, do you have any conception of the penalty for
describing a superior technician as a cunt?"
Todhunter: "Oh Rimmer... you *are* a cunt!"
That one's still quite funny.
Gavin Clayton
Mr Flibble
> However, when Max offered the opposite opinion to the one above, it
> got me thinking, and I tried replacing "smeg" with "cunt" to see what
> it sounded like:
Bodyswap:
Lister: What the cunting cunt's he cunting gone and done?
That works.
--
Mr Flibble
Who'd clear up the mess?!