Waaaaaaaaaah I wanna go to a Con!
The Blue Rose
I read all these fascinating Con reports and see interesting photos
and I wanna play too!
I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
If you were a single female antipodean who was (fairly seriously)
planning a trip to the States next year or possibly the year after,
and you wanted to do the BEST con you could......
Which Con would you recommend?
I would probably be travelling during the NH summer but the actual
timing is irrelevant at this point.
What do I want?
I want to have fun
I want to meet/see/have pointed out the back of the head of any
authors I have read
I would like to attend readings and panels and art shows
I WANT TO BUY STUFF!!!!!!!
Parties sound great fun
Dress up parties even more so
Meeting any RASSF peoples would be lovely
And I would be more than happy to volunteer my services in any small
way while I was there
What do I read? Fantasy mainly. Not into media in anyway, or gaming
either.
Does that help?
Ta very muchly for any responses :)
Stacey
--
Stacey Hill
"anyone lived in a pretty how town, with up so floating many bells down"
http://www.geocities.com/terragenblue for TERRAGEN IMAGES!!!
Jim Bailey
>
>s'Not Fair!
>
>I read all these fascinating Con reports and see interesting photos
>and I wanna play too!
>
>I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
>
>If you were a single female antipodean who was (fairly seriously)
>planning a trip to the States next year or possibly the year after,
>and you wanted to do the BEST con you could......
>
>Which Con would you recommend?
[snip list of criteria]
I'd say that WorldCon next year in San Jose is your best bet. While membership
is relatively expensive compared to other cons, it would be a relatively small
part of your overall budget, you get more *days* to do con stuff, larger
probabilities of authors you want to see being there, good sized dealer room
with a nice variety.
And it's near one of the major hubs for flights from Aus/NZ, San Francisco, so
there's less you'd need to spend to get you from there to another city.
I think the most important thing for you to do once you decide on any con is
hook yourself into one of the online communities where other likely attendees
post so that you can find out first-hand details that will be helpful, and more
importantly, so that you'll have somebody that will show you the ropes and
introduce you to an expanding circle of people to hang out with at various
times. You may also be able to find roommates to help alleviate hotel costs,
rides to/from the airport, arrange side-trips to local landmarks, etc.
Also get involved a bit in your local fandom if you haven't already, which will
help you get other valuable input, and maybe a group of you can fly together
for cheaper faires and company during the loooooong flight over.
On this end of things, I'd recommend checking out the SFF-Net message boards
(they're newsgroups using the same tech as rasf*, but not connected directly to
usenet), particularly the sff.cons.worldcon board to see what kind of questions
and answers people had for this year's version so you know what kind of issues
people dealt with. http://www.sff.net/ for the main page,
http://webnews.sff.net/ for the web-based newsgroup interface.
You'll also find a lot of authors there already hanging out, particularly in
the sff.people.* hierarchy, and if you introduce yourself virtually first, it
gives you a built-in excuse to walk up and introduce yourself in real life. :-)
Be aware that some people find WorldCons a bit intimidating in size for not
only new congoers, but for veterans as well, so look into some of the
well-established regional cons as well, but keep in mind that if you know what
it is you want to do coming *into* a worldcon, and if you know the right people
beforehand, you can shrink your personal experience down to manageable
proportions. Better to do a few things well than spread yourself so thin you
don't get a proper feel for *anything*.
And I repeat, because I think it's important, start getting somewhat active
here online (rasff, sff-net, other fan boards) and at home (any NZ cons to go
to?) so that you don't have to make major decisions without some valuable input
from others with experience.
However you do it, hope you end up having as much fun at the con as I did at WC
this year. :-)
Best,
Jim Bailey
--
Elysian Fiction (Fantasy short story e-zine)
http://www.elysianfiction.com/
First Issue now available
Michael J. Lowrey
> s'Not Fair!
> I read all these fascinating Con reports and see interesting photos
> and I wanna play too!
> I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
> If you were a single female antipodean who was (fairly seriously)
> planning a trip to the States next year or possibly the year after,
> and you wanted to do the BEST con you could......
> Which Con would you recommend?
> I want to meet/see/have pointed out the back of the head of any
> authors I have read
> I would like to attend readings and panels and art shows
> I WANT TO BUY STUFF!!!!!!!
> Parties sound great fun
> Dress up parties even more so
> Meeting any RASSF peoples would be lovely
> And I would be more than happy to volunteer my services in any small
> way while I was there
>
> What do I read? Fantasy mainly. Not into media in anyway, or gaming
> either.
Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon.
Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon.
Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon.
Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon.
Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon.
Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon. Wiscon.
--
Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
considers himself blessed to be so close to it
can hardly wait for May
Joel Rosenberg
"The Blue Rose" <sta...@xtra.spam1.co.spam2.nz> wrote in message
news:3b955c24...@news.xtra.co.nz...
> s'Not Fair!
>
> I read all these fascinating Con reports and see interesting photos
> and I wanna play too!
>
> I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
>
> If you were a single female antipodean who was (fairly seriously)
> planning a trip to the States next year or possibly the year after,
> and you wanted to do the BEST con you could......
>
> Which Con would you recommend?
>
> I would probably be travelling during the NH summer but the actual
> timing is irrelevant at this point.
>
> What do I want?
>
> I want to have fun
Mileage varies there.
> I want to meet/see/have pointed out the back of the head of any
> authors I have read
Well, depending who you've read . . . in terms of gross pro writer
attendance, it's hard to beat Worldcon or World Fantasy.
> I would like to attend readings and panels and art shows
Most cons have all three. Opinions and tastes vary about who does the best
programming, but Readercon is fairly famous for good sercon programming.
> I WANT TO BUY STUFF!!!!!!!
Depends on the stuff -- Readercon and World Fantasy have, so I hear, a
typically terrific selection of booksellers; Worldcon tends to have a huge
hucksters room.
> Parties sound great fun
All good cons have good parties, pretty much by definition.
> Dress up parties even more so
Regency dances are part of several, including Boskone. Masquerades and
related matters are part of Worldcon.
> Meeting any RASSF peoples would be lovely
Minicon seems to have a huge rassf attendance, at least per capita.
> And I would be more than happy to volunteer my services in any small
> way while I was there
A good way to have fun, too.
>
> What do I read? Fantasy mainly. Not into media in anyway, or gaming
> either.
Sounds to me like World Fantasy or Minicon would be two good choices for
you.
James Nicoll
the two cons I have most enjoyed were the various Boskones I have
been at and the single Minicon I attended. Lottsa book stuff, good
panels, entertaining people.
Minicon at present has somewhat superior facilities to Boskone,
since it is not in the worst hotel I have been in more than once. Member-
ship appears to overlap a fair bit. Boskone has NESFA, which has an
associated press which puts out very good books (I had one of those
walking down the staircase moments after being asked what the next author
NESFA reprints should be. I said Thorne Smith but afterwards realised
I should have said either Olaf Stapledon or Stanley G. Weinbaum and I
really regret not pushing Weinbaum). Minicon is at Easter, which is
awkward for me.
I should point out that the Boskone hotel is not the worst one
I have attended a con in. That might be the hotel which had been a motel,
each room having an a/c unit which faced into what was once an open
court yard but which was at the time of the con I attended a roofed
over, enwalled central room with indoor swimming pool. Not a good
design decision.
Michael J. Lowrey
> I should point out that the Boskone hotel is not the worst one
> I have attended a con in. That might be the hotel which had been a motel,
> each room having an a/c unit which faced into what was once an open
> court yard but which was at the time of the con I attended a roofed
> over, enwalled central room with indoor swimming pool. Not a good
> design decision.
That's the old ICon (Cedar Rapids, not the newer NY one)
hotel.
They WON'T be using that hotel this year.
--
Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
will be there; wishes it wasn't up against both
Ditto/Fanhistoricon _and_ Octocon (as if he'd ever able to
afford to go to an Octo)
James Nicoll
Michael J. Lowrey <oran...@uwm.edu> wrote:
>James Nicoll wrote:
>> I should point out that the Boskone hotel is not the worst one
>> I have attended a con in. That might be the hotel which had been a motel,
>> each room having an a/c unit which faced into what was once an open
>> court yard but which was at the time of the con I attended a roofed
>> over, enwalled central room with indoor swimming pool. Not a good
>> design decision.
>
>That's the old ICon (Cedar Rapids, not the newer NY one)
>hotel.
>
>They WON'T be using that hotel this year.
Really? I thought I was told the relationship with the management
was very good and that meant that ICon would return. Must have misheard
or misunderstood.
Michael J. Lowrey
It's the ICon curse. They once had an especially good
rapport with a hotel (the Carousel), so it had to burn
down. They had developed a good relationship with the venue
you remember, so of course the place had to be taken away
from them by the Fates. To quote from their website:
> Yes, it happened again. We had to move hotels. There are many reasons for the move, and if you get the concom drunk enough we might even go into them.
They'll be at the Four Points Sheraton in Cedar Rapids this
year, instead, and are trying to work out a multi-year deal
with them to stabilize things.
--
Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
married into SFLIS
David Dyer-Bennet
> I should point out that the Boskone hotel is not the worst one
> I have attended a con in. That might be the hotel which had been a motel,
> each room having an a/c unit which faced into what was once an open
> court yard but which was at the time of the con I attended a roofed
> over, enwalled central room with indoor swimming pool. Not a good
> design decision.
Have you been to Icon? Or has more than one hotel done that?
--
David Dyer-Bennet / Welcome to the future! / dd...@dd-b.net
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/
Book log: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/Ouroboros/booknotes/
James Nicoll
David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
>
>> I should point out that the Boskone hotel is not the worst one
>> I have attended a con in. That might be the hotel which had been a motel,
>> each room having an a/c unit which faced into what was once an open
>> court yard but which was at the time of the con I attended a roofed
>> over, enwalled central room with indoor swimming pool. Not a good
>> design decision.
>
>Have you been to Icon? Or has more than one hotel done that?
Yup, drove down with Betsy and other folks. I think the
first time I posted a con report, including a not very nice review
of Stephen Baxter's plucky young mammoth book.
James Nicoll
AW
When and where is Readercon?
Vicki Rosenzweig
-0500:
I'm a big Wiscon enthusiast myself, but it's not the best
place to find art (the art show is small) or dress-up parties.
The dealer's room is also small, though most of the dealers
have good selections.
--
Vicki Rosenzweig | v...@redbird.org
r.a.sf.f faq at http://www.redbird.org/rassef-faq.html
Joel Rosenberg
"Vicki Rosenzweig" <v...@redbird.org> wrote in message
news:i51dptkutma20nrfh...@4ax.com...
It is also, so I understand, a fairly focused convention -- which is a fine
thing, but isn't the sort of thing that The Blue Rose put in her RFP.
Me, I'd caution against a Worldcon as one's first convention for somebody
who has such a faunch -- not to the point of avoiding it, if one were
handy -- as while there's a lot that's fun at a Worldcon, it tends to be on
the largish side, it's fairly easy to get lostish, and in most times and
places (at least in the US) there's likely to be a good convention closer in
time and space than the next Worldcon.
The obvious thing to do would be to try a local convention as a daytripper,
and see if, after you get your feet wet, you want to plunge in.
Michael J. Lowrey
>
> "Vicki Rosenzweig" <v...@redbird.org> wrote
> > I'm a big Wiscon enthusiast myself, but it's not the best
> > place to find art (the art show is small) or dress-up parties.
> > The dealer's room is also small, though most of the dealers
> > have good selections.
>
> It is also, so I understand, a fairly focused convention -- which is a fine
> thing, but isn't the sort of thing that The Blue Rose put in her RFP.
I was going primarily by the adjective "BEST" which appeared
in all-caps in the original post. Outside of a WorldCon,
WisCon is simply the best single convention I can recommend
of all those I've been to on this planet. It is also during
the antipodean winter; is woman-friendly; and has as fine a
dealers' room as any convention OF ITS SIZE I've ever seen
(run by Hugo-nominee Hank Luttrell).
As to "focused": I think it is the most perfect combination
of fannishness and serious regard for SF as a literature
ever achieved by humankind; YMMV. I certainly would like to
see every rasseffer on the planet there, every chance you
get; and think it should be obligatory for TAFF and DUFF
winners coming to this continent, or GUFF winners passing
through it.
--
"Orange Mike"
Leroy F. Berven
< snip >
> I should point out that the Boskone hotel is not the worst one
> I have attended a con in. That might be the hotel which had been a motel,
> each room having an a/c unit which faced into what was once an open
> court yard but which was at the time of the con I attended a roofed
> over, enwalled central room with indoor swimming pool. Not a good
> design decision.
How about a con held in a hotel which, after the contract was signed,
but some while before the convention was held, was (IIRC) condemned as
no longer suitable for sleeping room use, though still acceptable for
function space usage?
The convention program took place as scheduled, in the hotel's
function space. Sleeping rooms were in the motel across the street.
The amount of "deferred maintenance" (e.g., large areas of peeling
paint, _very_ old and worn carpet, etc.) visible in the hotel function
spaces was impressive. The basement nightclub space made a great
hospitality area, and as I understood it, the concom was permitted to
bring in its own beer and other beverages with no corkage or hotel
markup.
Leroy Berven
The Blue Rose
wrote:
*snip*
>> I'm a big Wiscon enthusiast myself, but it's not the best
>> place to find art (the art show is small) or dress-up parties.
>> The dealer's room is also small, though most of the dealers
>> have good selections.
>
>It is also, so I understand, a fairly focused convention -- which is a fine
>thing, but isn't the sort of thing that The Blue Rose put in her RFP.
Im not sure what you mean by focused?
>Me, I'd caution against a Worldcon as one's first convention for somebody
>who has such a faunch -- not to the point of avoiding it, if one were
>handy -- as while there's a lot that's fun at a Worldcon, it tends to be on
>the largish side, it's fairly easy to get lostish, and in most times and
>places (at least in the US) there's likely to be a good convention closer in
>time and space than the next Worldcon.
>
>The obvious thing to do would be to try a local convention as a daytripper,
>and see if, after you get your feet wet, you want to plunge in.
>
This is great advice (as has all the other postings). How many people
attend a Worldcon? How many things are usually happening at once? Im
not too bothered with crowds, or getting lost. Its a bummer if you
miss out on something, but sometimes you discover interesting things
along the way, so I am fairly relaxed about that kinda thing. Unless
of course the thing you missed out on by getting lost was a plane
flight or something of similar importance.
>The obvious thing to do would be to try a local convention as a daytripper,
>and see if, after you get your feet wet, you want to plunge in.
>
This is kinda my one shot at ever doing this in the US, and I dont
really mind how or what I do, I would like it to be positively
memorable. The people I would be visiting with primarily live in
Mass, so one of the offerings - Readercon - is there I thought I read
somewhere, and that has definite appeal. Unless they are held real
close together, Im not sure if I would get the option of toe dipping
BEFORE I had a chance to think about it.
For me on my first trip (and alone) to the US, travelling to San Jose
is a bit of a daunting thought to do by myself, tho thats part of the
challenge of travelling I guess :-)
One question I forgot to ask - what are the costs involved - i gather
one buys a membership some time in advance?
Lis Carey
<9n5g0q$f4g$1...@panix3.panix.com>:
<snip>
> Minicon at present has somewhat superior facilities to Boskone,
>since it is not in the worst hotel I have been in more than once.
>Member- ship appears to overlap a fair bit. Boskone has NESFA, which
>has an associated press which puts out very good books (I had one of
>those walking down the staircase moments after being asked what the
>next author NESFA reprints should be. I said Thorne Smith but
>afterwards realised I should have said either Olaf Stapledon or
>Stanley G. Weinbaum and I really regret not pushing Weinbaum).
>Minicon is at Easter, which is awkward for me.
There's a complete collection of Weinbaum's short sf in print, from
what was Hyperion and is now Gibson Press. You can even buy it from
NESFA.:)
--
Lis Carey
Re-elect Gore in '04
Joel Rosenberg
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:07:25 GMT, "Joel Rosenberg" <jo...@ellegon.com>
> wrote:
>
> *snip*
>
> >> I'm a big Wiscon enthusiast myself, but it's not the best
> >> place to find art (the art show is small) or dress-up parties.
> >> The dealer's room is also small, though most of the dealers
> >> have good selections.
> >
> >It is also, so I understand, a fairly focused convention -- which is a
fine
> >thing, but isn't the sort of thing that The Blue Rose put in her RFP.
>
> Im not sure what you mean by focused?
Well, not having been to Wiscon, please understand that everything I say
about it is second- and third-hand, and that you're liable to get much more
reliable impressions from people who have attended it.
That said: Wiscon's focus is feminism and SF.
>
> >Me, I'd caution against a Worldcon as one's first convention for somebody
> >who has such a faunch -- not to the point of avoiding it, if one were
> >handy -- as while there's a lot that's fun at a Worldcon, it tends to be
on
> >the largish side, it's fairly easy to get lostish, and in most times and
> >places (at least in the US) there's likely to be a good convention closer
in
> >time and space than the next Worldcon.
> >
> >The obvious thing to do would be to try a local convention as a
daytripper,
> >and see if, after you get your feet wet, you want to plunge in.
> >
> This is great advice (as has all the other postings). How many people
> attend a Worldcon?
Anywhere from a couple thousand to several thousand, of late.
> How many things are usually happening at once?
Generally: lots. There's typically multiple tracks of programming, many
simultaneous parties, and all sorts of other stuff.
Im
> not too bothered with crowds, or getting lost. Its a bummer if you
> miss out on something, but sometimes you discover interesting things
> along the way, so I am fairly relaxed about that kinda thing. Unless
> of course the thing you missed out on by getting lost was a plane
> flight or something of similar importance.
>
> >The obvious thing to do would be to try a local convention as a
daytripper,
> >and see if, after you get your feet wet, you want to plunge in.
> >
> This is kinda my one shot at ever doing this in the US,
Hmmm... are there conventions in NZ? (That's not a rhetorical question; I
simply don't know.) Of course, if you live in Auckland and WhatAGreatNZCon
is in Dunedin, that doesn't exactly put it just out your back door.
and I dont
> really mind how or what I do, I would like it to be positively
> memorable. The people I would be visiting with primarily live in
> Mass, so one of the offerings - Readercon - is there I thought I read
> somewhere, and that has definite appeal. Unless they are held real
> close together, Im not sure if I would get the option of toe dipping
> BEFORE I had a chance to think about it.
Yup; I hadn't factored in your travel issues.
>
> For me on my first trip (and alone) to the US, travelling to San Jose
> is a bit of a daunting thought to do by myself, tho thats part of the
> challenge of travelling I guess :-)
>
> One question I forgot to ask - what are the costs involved - i gather
> one buys a membership some time in advance?
>
Generally, yes. Costs vary, from around $10 US to more than $100 for a
Worldcon. Typically, but not invariably, the earlier you buy a membership,
the less it costs.
As I understand it, you'll find, typically, the largest number (as opposed
to percentage) of rassfarians at, in no particular order, Boskone,
Readercon, Worldcon, Wiscon, Minicon, and World Fantasy.
James Nicoll
Paul Ciszek <pci...@antiabuseworld.std.com> wrote:
>In article <9n5g0q$f4g$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> Minicon at present has somewhat superior facilities to Boskone,
>>since it is not in the worst hotel I have been in more than once. Member-
>
>out of, BTW) seems to me to be thoroughly so-so. It's "just another hotel",
>indistinguishable from all sorts of others I have been in. The restaurants
>suck, but I am used to that in a hotel. What, exactly, do people find so
>horrible about the hotel-formerly-known-as-the-Sheraton-Tara?
>
The food (I don't drive and unlike Zev, I don't take all the
food I intend to eat at a con to the con with me, although it is a
good idea now that I've heard of it). The understaffing. The poor
control over the a/c in '99 (I think that was my first BOSKONE).
The understaffing in particular is a problem, because not
only did it take forever to get stuff but since the staff was tired
as hell by the end of the day (I am sure the waiter in '99 pulled an
18 hour workday) minor problems tended to look insurmountable and
interpersonal skills all round declined.
Marty Cantor
> "Joel Rosenberg" <jo...@ellegon.com> wrote in message news:<djpl7.240680$GN.32...@typhoon.kc.rr.com>...
> > "The Blue Rose" <sta...@xtra.spam1.co.spam2.nz> wrote in message
> > news:3b955c24...@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > > s'Not Fair!
> > >
> > > I read all these fascinating Con reports and see interesting photos
> > > and I wanna play too!
> > >
> > > I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
> > >
> > > If you were a single female antipodean who was (fairly seriously)
> > > planning a trip to the States next year or possibly the year after,
> > > and you wanted to do the BEST con you could......
> > >
> > > Which Con would you recommend?
> > >
> > > I would probably be travelling during the NH summer but the actual
> > > timing is irrelevant at this point.
> > >
> > > What do I want?
> > >
> > > I want to have fun
>
Readercon is July 12-14 and is on the East Coast. I have never been to
a readercon but I believe that it is of the serconish persuassion. So,
how about *this* as a possible plan. Fly into Los Angeles (which is a
common point of entry (from Australasia) into the Lower 48 States and
attend Westercon (a large regional con) on July 4-7. The con hotel is
within easy walking distance (about a block or so) from LAX - except
that walking in and out of LAX is logistically difficult, so take the
free hotel shuttle. After Westercon you go back to LAX and take an
aeroplane to the opposite coast of the USA and attend Readercon on the
next weekend. Two different types of cons, meeting different fans at
each. Information about Westercon is at www.westercon.org/55/ .
--
Marty Cantor
louis...@netzero.net
James Nicoll
Jay Denebeim
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
> The food (I don't drive and unlike Zev, I don't take all the
>food I intend to eat at a con to the con with me
Oh, that reminds me. There was a glat kosher resturant near the
convention center (first time I've ever seen one in the states). Did
anyone try it? Was it any good? (the only glat kosher resturant I
ever ate at was a chineese resturant in Israel, and it sucked rocks
IMNSHO)
Jay
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Hal O'Brien
>
> As I understand it, you'll find, typically, the largest number (as opposed
> to percentage) of rassfarians at, in no particular order, Boskone,
> Readercon, Worldcon, Wiscon, Minicon, and World Fantasy.
>
I would add Orycon, Potlatch, and Corflu to that list.
And possibly Eastercon and Novacon, if one wasn't too picky about
the con being in N. America... :)
-- Hal
James Nicoll
Weren't parts of the UK geologically connected to parts of
NorAm long ago?
Janice Gelb
>In article <9n8665$72q$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> The food (I don't drive and unlike Zev, I don't take all the
>>food I intend to eat at a con to the con with me
>
>Oh, that reminds me. There was a glat kosher resturant near the
>convention center (first time I've ever seen one in the states). Did
>anyone try it? Was it any good? (the only glat kosher resturant I
>ever ate at was a chineese resturant in Israel, and it sucked rocks
>IMNSHO)
>
If you mean Maccabeam, I tried it. It wasn't that great but
I didn't care because they had lamb chops, which I can't
easily get at home.
Glatt doesn't really indicate the quality of the food, just that
they do an extra check of the lungs when slaughtering the animal.
For example, Shallots in Chicago, which I patronized during
worldcon last year, is an extremely gourmet glatt restaurant
that was wonderful.
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David F Shallcross
Jay Denebeim <dene...@deepthot.org> wrote:
>Oh, that reminds me. There was a glat kosher resturant near the
>convention center (first time I've ever seen one in the states). Did
>anyone try it? Was it any good?
Maccabeam? They were decent middle-eastern style food.
I had kefta kebab there one evening with friends, and then
a falafel sandwich Sunday lunch when most nearby restaurants
were closed. I have no previous experience with glat kosher.
David Shallcross
Kevin J. Maroney
>Oh, that reminds me. There was a glat kosher resturant near the
>convention center (first time I've ever seen one in the states). Did
>anyone try it? Was it any good? (the only glat kosher resturant I
>ever ate at was a chineese resturant in Israel, and it sucked rocks
>IMNSHO)
The only glatt kosher restaurant I've ever been in was a Chinese
restaurant on the Yonkers/Scarsdale border. Alas, it no longer exists,
but I will cherish the name "Mazel Wok" for a long time.
Okay, time to talk about chocolate and cats.
--
Kevin Maroney | kmar...@ungames.com
Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction
<http://www.nyrsf.com>
Darkhawk (H. Nicoll)
> What, exactly, do people find so
> horrible about the hotel-formerly-known-as-the-Sheraton-Tara?
Paraphrase:
Me: I'd like to make a reservation.
Desk: For what dates?
Me: (Gives dates for Thursday-Saturday nights for this year's
Boskone.)
Desk: All right. Are you with any particular group or organization?
Me: Yes. I'm attending the Boskone convention, held in your hotel
at that time.
Desk: Could you spell that please?
Me: B-O-S-K-O-N-E. Boskone science fiction convention.
Desk: <long pause> It's not in the computer.
Me: That's odd. Try looking under [ NESFA | Science Fiction
Convention | various other intelligent suggestions ]
Desk: It's not in the computer. You're going to have to call back
during normal business hours and talk to someone who has a clue
installed.
Me: All right. Thank you.
(Next day)
Me: I was told last night that I needed to talk with (position of
person who has a clue installed) to clarify matters having to do with my
reservation.
Desk: One moment, let me transfer you.
Clue: Hello, yes, can I help you?
Me: I called yesterday to make a reservation for <dates> for two to
attend the Boskone convention, held in your hotel, and was told it
wasn't in the computer. It was suggested that I call back when someone
with a clue was in the office.
Clue: They told you it wasn't in the computer?
Me: Correct.
Clue: It's right here.
Me: That's odd.
Clue: Let me transfer you to someone who can take your reservation.
Me: Thank you.
Desk: Can I help you?
Kevin, who was there for the first of the phone calls (I'm a little
phobic of the things, so he was there to provide me moral support if I
wigged out) was looking completely incredulous just from hearing one
side of the first conversation.
Fortunately, it eventually untangled, but I felt Enlightened about why
people had complained about the hotel.
- Darkhawk, who found the hotel, aside from that,
more or less hotel-like
--
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I'll take your invitation // You take all of me. . . .
- Lifehouse, "Hanging by a Moment"
Priscilla H Ballou
: The only glatt kosher restaurant I've ever been in was a Chinese
: restaurant on the Yonkers/Scarsdale border. Alas, it no longer exists,
: but I will cherish the name "Mazel Wok" for a long time.
There's a kosher Chinese restaurant (and I *believe* -- from memories
of its signage -- that it's glatt kosher, though being an undereducated
goy I wouldn't know glatt if I tripped over it) in Brookline, MA, called
"Shalom Hunan." I've always rather been drawn to the name, but I'm told
the food isn't much good.
Priscilla
--
"Faith is not knowledge of what the mystery of the universe is, but the
conviction that there is a mystery, and that it is greater than us."
-- Rabbi David Wolpe
Janice Gelb
>Kevin J. Maroney (kmar...@ungames.com) wrote:
>: The only glatt kosher restaurant I've ever been in was a Chinese
>: restaurant on the Yonkers/Scarsdale border. Alas, it no longer exists,
>: but I will cherish the name "Mazel Wok" for a long time.
>
>There's a kosher Chinese restaurant (and I *believe* -- from memories
>of its signage -- that it's glatt kosher, though being an undereducated
>goy I wouldn't know glatt if I tripped over it) in Brookline, MA, called
>"Shalom Hunan." I've always rather been drawn to the name, but I'm told
>the food isn't much good.
>
It's ok but very overpriced, and the name is by no means
original with them.
As for kosher Chinese restaurant names, punning is common
(e.g., Shang-Chai, Mi-Tsu-Yan (which is the Hebrew word for
"excellent"), etc.). My personal favorite is a now-defunct
kosher Italian place called "Luigi Goldstein's"
Ben Yalow
>Paul Ciszek <pci...@antiabuseworld.std.com> wrote:
>> What, exactly, do people find so
>> horrible about the hotel-formerly-known-as-the-Sheraton-Tara?
>Paraphrase:
<snip of remarkably clueless hotel reservations person story>
>Kevin, who was there for the first of the phone calls (I'm a little
>phobic of the things, so he was there to provide me moral support if I
>wigged out) was looking completely incredulous just from hearing one
>side of the first conversation.
>Fortunately, it eventually untangled, but I felt Enlightened about why
>people had complained about the hotel.
I certainly understand.
If it happens again for this year, please let me know, and I'll try to
find out why, and make it happen less often.
> - Darkhawk, who found the hotel, aside from that,
> more or less hotel-like
Ben
Hotel Liaison, Boskone 39
--
Ben Yalow yb...@panix.com
Not speaking for anybody
Jay Denebeim
Janice Gelb <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote:
>If you mean Maccabeam, I tried it. It wasn't that great but
>I didn't care because they had lamb chops, which I can't
>easily get at home.
Honestly, what they do to kosher the meat removes any chance of it
ever having much of the way in flavor. (IMHO YMMV etc) Actually, I
guess that the way I prefer my meat, medium rare, isn't even legal
kosherly speaking.
>Glatt doesn't really indicate the quality of the food, just that they
>do an extra check of the lungs when slaughtering the animal.
Ah. Okay. The only person who's ever explained it to me was a
non-practicing person. He described it as "More kosher than kosher".
Not very informative.
>For example, Shallots in Chicago, which I patronized during worldcon
>last year, is an extremely gourmet glatt restaurant that was
>wonderful.
Well, if I'm ever in the company of Kosher keeping people in Chicago,
I'll have to try it.
Kent Bloom
Blue Rose) wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Sep 2001 21:07:25 GMT, "Joel Rosenberg" <jo...@ellegon.com>
>wrote:
<snip>
>This is great advice (as has all the other postings). How many people
>attend a Worldcon? How many things are usually happening at once? Im
>not too bothered with crowds, or getting lost. Its a bummer if you
>miss out on something, but sometimes you discover interesting things
>along the way, so I am fairly relaxed about that kinda thing. Unless
>of course the thing you missed out on by getting lost was a plane
>flight or something of similar importance.
>
Lots of things go on at once at a Worldcon. There will be around
5,000 people, and eight or ten things going on most of the time, with
peak activities choices hitting many more than that.
>>The obvious thing to do would be to try a local convention as a daytripper,
>>and see if, after you get your feet wet, you want to plunge in.
>>
I would agree with this. If you're in Australia, you might want to
take a look at http://home.vicnet.net.au/~sfoz/welcome.htm, which has
a lot of local links.
You might also be more comfortable with Westercon than Worldcon. It
has much of the same general interest (lack of) focus, will have a
Regency Ball (I'm sure), parties, dealers, panels, etc. And probably
be about 20% of the size of the Worldcon. Next year's will be in Los
Angeles from July 4th through 7th. See http://www.westercon.org/55/.
>This is kinda my one shot at ever doing this in the US, and I dont
>really mind how or what I do, I would like it to be positively
>memorable. The people I would be visiting with primarily live in
>Mass, so one of the offerings - Readercon - is there I thought I read
>somewhere, and that has definite appeal. Unless they are held real
>close together, Im not sure if I would get the option of toe dipping
>BEFORE I had a chance to think about it.
>
>For me on my first trip (and alone) to the US, travelling to San Jose
>is a bit of a daunting thought to do by myself, tho thats part of the
>challenge of travelling I guess :-)
Well, you pretty much have to come through Los Angeles or San
Francisco (which is just a few miles from San Jose) to get to the US
anyway.
>
>One question I forgot to ask - what are the costs involved - i gather
>one buys a membership some time in advance?
>
They can be expensive, especially Worldcon. See www.conjose.org
for next year's data.
>Stacey
Kent Bloom
Ailsa C. Ek
(Priscilla H Ballou) wrote:
>There's a kosher Chinese restaurant (and I *believe* -- from
>memories
>of its signage -- that it's glatt kosher, though being an
>undereducated
>goy I wouldn't know glatt if I tripped over it) in Brookline, MA,
>called
>"Shalom Hunan." I've always rather been drawn to the name, but I'm
>told
>the food isn't much good.
>
Really? I quite like it. Granted, it isn't spicy at all, and it
_is_ standard Americanized Chinese food, not something you'd find
in Chinatown, but for an Americanized kosher Chinese restaurant,
it's quite good.
I can't recall if it's glatt, though. Also, I think it's one of
only four or five kosher restaurants left in the Boston area
(along with Rubin's, Zaatar's Oven, Rami's, and the Milk Street
Cafe). Attrition has been fierce of late.
--
New quote coming soon Ailsa C. Ek
Ail...@mac.com
Ailsa C. Ek
>Really? I quite like it. Granted, it isn't spicy at all, and it
>_is_ standard Americanized Chinese food, not something you'd find
>in Chinatown, but for an Americanized kosher Chinese restaurant,
>it's quite good.
>
Oops. Tackily following up to myself - I misspoke. Shalom Hunan
is the Chinese place a good walk from Coolidge Corner. Them I
don't like so much, as the food is only OK, and they're quite
expensive. Taam China, on the other hand, is right in the heart
of things in Coolidge Corner, and I'm quite fond of it. The
Kosher Conspiracy has had post-con gatherings there a couple of
times.
Andrew Stephenson
jdni...@panix.com "James Nicoll" writes:
> Weren't parts of the UK geologically connected to parts of
> NorAm long ago?
Yes, but NorAm seceded.
Seriously, IIRC a rock in Scotland has a plate declaring it the
junction between the western mass which also included NorAm and
the eastern one which constitutes most of the UK. I dare say a
few other Scottish rocks could be labelled similarly.
--
Andrew Stephenson
Priscilla H. Ballou
> (Priscilla H Ballou) wrote:
> >There's a kosher Chinese restaurant (and I *believe* -- from
> >memories
> >of its signage -- that it's glatt kosher, though being an
> >undereducated
> >goy I wouldn't know glatt if I tripped over it) in Brookline, MA,
> >called
> >"Shalom Hunan." I've always rather been drawn to the name, but I'm
> >told
> >the food isn't much good.
> >
> Really? I quite like it. Granted, it isn't spicy at all, and it
> _is_ standard Americanized Chinese food, not something you'd find
> in Chinatown, but for an Americanized kosher Chinese restaurant,
> it's quite good.
My information was old, I guess. I know it (the information) was
oldish, and the fact that matters have, apparently, improved makes it
Old.
> I can't recall if it's glatt, though.
I think its wall was the first place I saw the word, "glatt."
> Also, I think it's one of
> only four or five kosher restaurants left in the Boston area
> (along with Rubin's, Zaatar's Oven, Rami's, and the Milk Street
> Cafe). Attrition has been fierce of late.
I *love* Zaatar's Oven! Or at least I did a few years ago. I haven't
been there lately. Friends from work go to Rami's for lunch fairly
regularly. I don't know Rubin's or Milk Street Cafe.
Dunno why I'm so interested in kosher restaurants, except that I assume
that something Kosher has a good chance of being of good quality. That
may be a false assumption, but I've used it in grocery stores for years
with no bad experiences.
Please tell me Rubin's is a deli! I got some tongue (well, in a jellied
loaf, which was really quite good) at an Amish booth in Reading Terminal
Market and had it on Amish bread with Amtrak mustard for my lunch on the
train on the way back from Worldcon. Now I'm dying for a nice thick
tongue on rye with real mustard. *sigh*
Did anyone else fall in love with the Amish bakery in Reading Terminal
Market last week? I want to know how to make that fluffy white bread
that stays moist and chewy. My mother says, "dough conditioners." Is
that true?
Priscilla
--
"Earth's crammed with heaven, and every common bush afire with God;
but only he who sees, takes off his shoes. The rest sit round it and
pluck blackberries." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Priscilla H. Ballou
C. Ek" <ail...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <ailsaek-8A5941...@news.ne.mediaone.net>,
> "Ailsa C. Ek" <ail...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >Really? I quite like it. Granted, it isn't spicy at all, and it
> >_is_ standard Americanized Chinese food, not something you'd find
> >in Chinatown, but for an Americanized kosher Chinese restaurant,
> >it's quite good.
> >
> Oops. Tackily following up to myself - I misspoke. Shalom Hunan
> is the Chinese place a good walk from Coolidge Corner.
I think of it as just up from Brookline Village.
> Them I
> don't like so much, as the food is only OK, and they're quite
> expensive. Taam China, on the other hand, is right in the heart
> of things in Coolidge Corner,
Would you please be more specific? Harvard towards Brookline Village?
Harvard towards Comm Ave? Beacon Street?
> and I'm quite fond of it. The
> Kosher Conspiracy has had post-con gatherings there a couple of
> times.
Priscilla
P Nielsen Hayden
Priscilla H. Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Did anyone else fall in love with the Amish bakery in Reading Terminal
>Market last week? I want to know how to make that fluffy white bread
>that stays moist and chewy. My mother says, "dough conditioners." Is
>that true?
Was it really Amish? I was firmly informed that all those
traditionally-dressed people behind counters in the Reading Terminal
Market were Mennonites; actual Amish wouldn't use such high levels of
technology for such non-essential purposes.
--
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Jay Denebeim
P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Sep 2001 03:41:45 GMT,
> Priscilla H. Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Did anyone else fall in love with the Amish bakery in Reading Terminal
>>Market last week? I want to know how to make that fluffy white bread
>>that stays moist and chewy. My mother says, "dough conditioners." Is
>>that true?
>
>Was it really Amish? I was firmly informed that all those
>traditionally-dressed people behind counters in the Reading Terminal
>Market were Mennonites; actual Amish wouldn't use such high levels of
>technology for such non-essential purposes.
I thought they were Pennsylvania Dutch, not that I know much about
them. They were dressed the same as Mennonites though. I've never
met an Amish person so I can't really speak to that. Anyway, from
what little I know about these people what PNH said sounds about
right. I couldn't imagine an Amish being able to commute to a
downtown without using technology that they don't want to use.
Ailsa C. Ek
<vze23t8n-7E87C0...@news.bellatlantic.net>,
>In article <ailsaek-460963...@news.ne.mediaone.net>,
>"Ailsa C. Ek" <ail...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> Taam China, on the other hand, is right in the heart
>> of things in Coolidge Corner,
>
>Would you please be more specific? Harvard towards Brookline
>Village?
>Harvard towards Comm Ave? Beacon Street?
>
Harvard Street, right across from Beacon Kosher and quite near
Kolbo and Israel Books. Um, I guess that puts it more towards
Comm Ave.
Ailsa C. Ek
<vze23t8n-C45DCB...@news.bellatlantic.net>,
>I *love* Zaatar's Oven! Or at least I did a few years ago. I
>haven't
>been there lately. Friends from work go to Rami's for lunch fairly
>regularly. I don't know Rubin's or Milk Street Cafe.
>
Rubin's is further up Harvard St towards Comm. Ave., and in fact
is closer to Comm. than Beacon. Oh, and Taam China is across
from The Butcherie, not Beacon Kosher. (Dunno what is wrong with
my brain lately, but I've been dropping things from the name
server quite noticeably over the last few weeks.)
>Please tell me Rubin's is a deli! I got some tongue (well, in a
>jellied
>loaf, which was really quite good) at an Amish booth in Reading
>Terminal
>Market and had it on Amish bread with Amtrak mustard for my lunch
>on the
>train on the way back from Worldcon. Now I'm dying for a nice
>thick
>tongue on rye with real mustard. *sigh*
>
Yup. I can't vouch for the existence of tongue there, as it's
not something I eat, but they do a really good pastrami on
marbled rye. And I'm quite fond of their buffalo wings, but
that's probably in part because they are the _only_ kosher
buffalo wings in Boston.
It seems likely that they have tongue, though.
>Did anyone else fall in love with the Amish bakery in Reading
>Terminal
>Market last week? I want to know how to make that fluffy white
>bread
>that stays moist and chewy. My mother says, "dough conditioners."
>Is
>that true?
>
Dunno, but now I _really_ wish I'd made it in there.
You know, we live close enough to each other, we really ought to
get together for coffee or felafel or ice cream or something some
one of these days.
James Nicoll
Still, a con in the right parts of the UK should count as
a NorAm one, right?
Hal O'Brien
Beth Friedman
<9nb3v6$rf1$1...@panix1.panix.com>, wrote:
I should think the left parts of the UK would make more sense to
count.
--
Beth Friedman
b...@wavefront.com
Zev Sero
> There's a kosher Chinese restaurant (and I *believe* -- from memories
> of its signage -- that it's glatt kosher, though being an undereducated
> goy I wouldn't know glatt if I tripped over it) in Brookline, MA, called
> "Shalom Hunan." I've always rather been drawn to the name, but I'm told
> the food isn't much good.
1. I have been told the same by many locals, and have not bothered to
verify it for myself. But there's another glatt kosher Chinese place
on the same street, which is lovely. I don't remember its name - when
I went there with the Bursteins and the Eks, they all referred to it
as `not Shalom Hunan, the good place'.
2. The Shalom Hunan in Boston is under the same management as the ones
in Las Vegas and LA. I can't speak from personal experience about any
of them, but given what I've heard about the Boston one I wouldn't hold
any high expectations. However the one in Brooklyn, NY is not part of
the chain, and I can say first hand that it is very good.
3. Punning kosher restaurant names: Janice mentioned Shang Chai, and
Me Tzu Yan (`metzuyan' is Hebrew for `excellent'), both of which are
in NY. Also in NY: Chez Lanu (`shelanu' is Hebrew for `ours');
Estihana (Esti and Hannah, two common Jewish names); Garden of Eat-In;
Yun Kee (Yanki, short for Jacob); Gan Asia (`gan' is `garden', as in
`Gan Eden'); Glatt Dynasty.
4. Glatt kosher, More Than You Wanted To Know(tm): After a kosher
animal is slaughtered, the lungs are inspected for signs of disease
or injury. If the lungs are smooth, without any adhesions, the
animal is glatt. As far as Sefardim are concerned, the story ends
here; if it isn't glatt it isn't kosher, because an adhesion often
means a buildup of mucus over a hole in the lung. (The Sefardim
don't call it glatt, since a) that's Yiddish, not Hebrew, and
b) they don't need a special word to distinguish it from just kosher).
But Ashkenazi tradition is that if there are adhesions on the lung
of an adult animal, the lung can be inflated, and if no air escapes
at the point of the adhesion then the animal is kosher. In the USA
and other western countries the economy of the meat industry is
completely different than it was in Eastern Europe, both in the size
of the kosher market, and the fact that if an animal is rejected
from kosher processing it can easily be transferred to a non-kosher
line at little economic loss; plus the animals are healthier, meaning
fewer of them are rejected, so there is little need to rely on this
leniency.
Zev, ego-scanning on deja/google, and came across this thread.
Andrew Stephenson
jdni...@panix.com "James Nicoll" writes:
I expect it would keep a Worldcon business meeting amused for a
minute or two.
--
Andrew Stephenson
The Blue Rose
wrote:
*snip my initial posting *
>Hmmm... are there conventions in NZ? (That's not a rhetorical question; I
>simply don't know.) Of course, if you live in Auckland and WhatAGreatNZCon
>is in Dunedin, that doesn't exactly put it just out your back door.
*snip*
I was quite surprised to find there are SEVERAL cons held in NZ, so
far all in the North Island, usually Auckland, but the next on is
called Con with the Wind and is being held in Wellington (One of the
windiest cities around, hence the pun)
Unfortunatley I appear to have missed the Con season, they have all
been scheduled for winter for some bizarre reason so I have to wait a
year to try one out, and Oz seems to be the same. No idea why.
FWIW I am in Christchurch, and it is usually more expensive for me to
fly to Sydney than to Auckland *sigh*
Stacey
--
Stacey Hill
"anyone lived in a pretty how town, with up so floating many bells down"
http://www.geocities.com/terragenblue for TERRAGEN IMAGES!!!
Vlatko Juric-Kokic
>4. Glatt kosher, More Than You Wanted To Know(tm):
Ah, confirms what I always thought, that religious requirements for
kosher (and probably halal) are actually made for health reasons.
vlatko
--
_Neither Fish Nor Fowl_
http://www.webart.hr/nrnm/eng/index.htm
vlatko.ju...@zg.hinet.hr
Ross Smith
>
> Unfortunatley I appear to have missed the Con season, they have all
> been scheduled for winter for some bizarre reason so I have to wait a
> year to try one out, and Oz seems to be the same. No idea why.
Probably because (1) that's when the long weekends are (Easter, Queen's
Birthday, and Labour Day are really the only practical dates for a con),
and (2) hotel rates are cheaper.
--
Ross Smith ...................................... Auckland, New Zealand
r-s...@ihug.co.nz ........................ http;//halflife.mani.ac.nz/
"A wise man learns from the mistakes of others; a fool
learns only from his own." -- Gen. Aleksandr Lebed
Lis Carey
<3b99c815...@news.xtra.co.nz>:
>On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:47:53 GMT, "Joel Rosenberg"
><jo...@ellegon.com> wrote:
>
>*snip my initial posting *
>
>>Hmmm... are there conventions in NZ? (That's not a rhetorical
>>question; I simply don't know.) Of course, if you live in Auckland
>>and WhatAGreatNZCon is in Dunedin, that doesn't exactly put it just
>>out your back door.
>*snip*
>
>I was quite surprised to find there are SEVERAL cons held in NZ, so
>far all in the North Island, usually Auckland, but the next on is
>called Con with the Wind and is being held in Wellington (One of the
>windiest cities around, hence the pun)
>
>Unfortunatley I appear to have missed the Con season, they have all
>been scheduled for winter for some bizarre reason so I have to wait
>a year to try one out, and Oz seems to be the same. No idea why.
>
>FWIW I am in Christchurch, and it is usually more expensive for me
>to fly to Sydney than to Auckland *sigh*
Available weekends and cheaper hotel rates spring immediately to mind
as likely explanations. Do they make sense as explanations?
--
Lis Carey
Re-elect Gore in '04
Shane Stezelberger
wrote:
>In article <slrn9phjo...@pnh-1.athome.foo>,
>P Nielsen Hayden <p...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>Was it really Amish? I was firmly informed that all those
>>traditionally-dressed people behind counters in the Reading Terminal
>>Market were Mennonites; actual Amish wouldn't use such high levels of
>>technology for such non-essential purposes.
>
>I thought they were Pennsylvania Dutch, not that I know much about
>them. They were dressed the same as Mennonites though. I've never
>met an Amish person so I can't really speak to that. Anyway, from
>what little I know about these people what PNH said sounds about
>right. I couldn't imagine an Amish being able to commute to a
>downtown without using technology that they don't want to use.
ObThankGodI'mAPennsylvaniaBoy: It is my understanding that Lancaster
County Amish regularly hire non-Amish drivers for nonlocal commuting
purposes.
I do not know if this practice includes regular commutes to Philly,
nor have I ever eaten at the Reading Terminal Market. :-(
--
Shane "I been to Reading, doesn't that count?" Stezelberger
sstezel at erols dot kom
Laurel, MD
Vicki Rosenzweig
07:29:19 GMT:
>On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 13:47:53 GMT, "Joel Rosenberg" <jo...@ellegon.com>
>wrote:
>
>*snip my initial posting *
>
>>Hmmm... are there conventions in NZ? (That's not a rhetorical question; I
>>simply don't know.) Of course, if you live in Auckland and WhatAGreatNZCon
>>is in Dunedin, that doesn't exactly put it just out your back door.
>*snip*
>
>I was quite surprised to find there are SEVERAL cons held in NZ, so
>far all in the North Island, usually Auckland, but the next on is
>called Con with the Wind and is being held in Wellington (One of the
>windiest cities around, hence the pun)
>
>Unfortunatley I appear to have missed the Con season, they have all
>been scheduled for winter for some bizarre reason so I have to wait a
>year to try one out, and Oz seems to be the same. No idea why.
Probably for the same reason that so many US cons are in our winter:
hotel space is cheaper and more available then.
--
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P Nielsen Hayden
Shane Stezelberger <sst...@erols.com> wrote:
>ObThankGodI'mAPennsylvaniaBoy: It is my understanding that Lancaster
>County Amish regularly hire non-Amish drivers for nonlocal commuting
>purposes.
Ah! Shabbas English.
Ulrika O'Brien
says...
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:41:52 GMT,
> Shane Stezelberger <sst...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >ObThankGodI'mAPennsylvaniaBoy: It is my understanding that Lancaster
> >County Amish regularly hire non-Amish drivers for nonlocal commuting
> >purposes.
>
>
> Ah! Shabbas English.
*snort*
--
Why, yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties
are largely ceremonial.
The Blue Rose
wrote:
>Quoth sta...@xtra.spam1.co.spam2.nz (The Blue Rose) on Sat, 08 Sep 2001
>07:29:19 GMT:
*snip*
>>Unfortunatley I appear to have missed the Con season, they have all
>>been scheduled for winter for some bizarre reason so I have to wait a
>>year to try one out, and Oz seems to be the same. No idea why.
>
>Probably for the same reason that so many US cons are in our winter:
>hotel space is cheaper and more available then.
You can tell I dont spend much time in hotels then LOL I never even
thought of that.
And long weekends mean nothing to me. I have had 2 weekends off so
far this year, and my third one at the end of this month while I am on
holiday. So I just didnt think about it.
Cally Soukup
> In article <slrn9pk51...@pnh-1.athome.foo>, p...@panix.com
> says...
>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:41:52 GMT,
>> Shane Stezelberger <sst...@erols.com> wrote:
>>
>> >ObThankGodI'mAPennsylvaniaBoy: It is my understanding that Lancaster
>> >County Amish regularly hire non-Amish drivers for nonlocal commuting
>> >purposes.
>>
>>
>> Ah! Shabbas English.
> *snort*
That might be the sect of Amish that my twin sister calls the Black
Bumper Amish. She's the receptionist at a used heavy manufacturing
equipment dealer, and occasionally a group of Amish will come in (to
look at hydraulic equipment; never electric powered.) She's told me
that this group of Amish have reluctantly embraced the automobile, but
it has to have absolutely no options, and all the frivolous chrome has
to be painted black.
I don't know if they hire a "Shabbas English" to drive it, or drive
themselves, though. (Excellent phrase, btw!)
--
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend
to the death your right to say it." -- Beatrice Hall
Cally Soukup sou...@pobox.com
LAFF
(Shane Stezelberger) wrote:
I didn't spend much time there myself, and missed the group to which
Patrick was referring.
I do know that the Amish are a stricter cousin of the Mennonite group.
Many Mennonites are much less strict than the Amish, and even among the
Amish there are variant interpretations (on a local district basis) of
how much they can go along with modern ways.
ObHarrisonFordMovies: Remember the little Amish boy and his mother in
_Witness_ were traveling to/from Philadelphia by train. The idea
being, as I recall, that since the trains were running anyway -- not
making a special trip for anyone -- it was all right to ride on them.
Lois Fundis, who has some Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors several
generations back.
--
Lois Fundis lfu...@weir.net
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"I wanted to be a writer-performer like the Pythons. In
fact I wanted to be John Cleese and it took me some time to
realise that the job was, in fact, taken."
-- Douglas Adams (1952-2001)
Josh Kaderlan
> Ulrika O'Brien <uaob...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
><MPG.1603e3b9f...@news.earthlink.net>:
>> In article <slrn9pk51...@pnh-1.athome.foo>, p...@panix.com
>> says...
>>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 11:41:52 GMT,
>>> Shane Stezelberger <sst...@erols.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >ObThankGodI'mAPennsylvaniaBoy: It is my understanding that Lancaster
>>> >County Amish regularly hire non-Amish drivers for nonlocal commuting
>>> >purposes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah! Shabbas English.
>
>> *snort*
>
> That might be the sect of Amish that my twin sister calls the Black
> Bumper Amish. She's the receptionist at a used heavy manufacturing
> equipment dealer, and occasionally a group of Amish will come in (to
> look at hydraulic equipment; never electric powered.) She's told me
> that this group of Amish have reluctantly embraced the automobile, but
> it has to have absolutely no options, and all the frivolous chrome has
> to be painted black.
Are you sure they're Amish? Going to college in Pennsylvania, I was told
that you could tell the Mennonites driving around the eastern part of the
state, since their cars were totally blacked out.
> I don't know if they hire a "Shabbas English" to drive it, or drive
> themselves, though. (Excellent phrase, btw!)
The Mennonites I heard about drove them themselves.
Apropos of the Mennonites... one of my friends during my semester abroad
in Strasbourg was Pennsylvania Mennonite, and his family had emigrated
from the part of France we were in. While we were there, he made contact
with some of his relatives, and discovered that while alcohol is strictly
forbidden to American Mennonites, the French branch of the church has no
problem with it.
-Josh
Janet Kegg
>I do know that the Amish are a stricter cousin of the Mennonite group.
>Many Mennonites are much less strict than the Amish, and even among the
>Amish there are variant interpretations (on a local district basis) of
>how much they can go along with modern ways.
That's my understanding too. I've met some Amish folks while visiting
friends who live near Coshocton, Ohio, which borders an Amish area. I
remember one conversation with an Amish fellow who digs farm ponds.
If they'd contracted with him to build one for them, my friends would
have needed to let him live with them while he did the work. He would
accept rides in a car and use a backhoe to do the work (which he would
arrange to have delivered to their place). But he used a horse and
buggy to get around locally.
Once we had a very interesting conversation with an Amish furniture
maker, who we found after a long search of the countryside. His name
was Miller (a _very_ common surname among the Amish in that area) and
he seemed very curious about us and pleased that my friends wanted him
to make a chair for them.
I get the impression that the Amish are considered to be very good
neighbors.
-- Janet
Farah Mendlesohn
Janet Kegg wrote:
> In article <5njlptcvbie6tp1vc...@4ax.com> LAFF wrote:
>
>
> >I do know that the Amish are a stricter cousin of the Mennonite group.
> >Many Mennonites are much less strict than the Amish, and even among the
> >Amish there are variant interpretations (on a local district basis) of
> >how much they can go along with modern ways.
The way to understand the Amish/Mennonite relationship:
all Amish and Mennonites are Anabaptists. The Mennonites were followers of
Menno and as far as I am aware the Amish came from this group but regard
themselves as the original group. I'm not sure where the name came from.
Like most sects they kept splitting, in most cases over what technology to
use and what women should wear, so that you can draw a line from Amish,
through varying shades of Mennonite (I've seen some groups in which the
women dress just like Amish but with short skirts and pink or yellow
frocks), and on to the Pennsylvania Dutch, many of whom were from Mennonite
families. Dutch is, of course, a corruption of Deutsch.
Farah
Jonathan J. Baker
>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>> The food (I don't drive and unlike Zev, I don't take all the
>>food I intend to eat at a con to the con with me
>Oh, that reminds me. There was a glat kosher resturant near the
>convention center (first time I've ever seen one in the states). Did
>anyone try it? Was it any good? (the only glat kosher resturant I
>ever ate at was a chineese resturant in Israel, and it sucked rocks
>IMNSHO)
Mr. J's? Good place. We (Zev, Joe Slater, Debbie & I) ate there
a couple of times. Avoid the house special "Jumping Chicken", but
the falafel and shwarma (lamb) were terrif.
--
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jjb...@panix.com | Don't know if it's classic like Av, Adar, but is true.
Web page <http://www.panix.com/~jjbaker>
Jonathan J. Baker
>dene...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) wrote:
>>Oh, that reminds me. There was a glat kosher resturant near the
>>convention center (first time I've ever seen one in the states). Did
>>anyone try it? Was it any good? (the only glat kosher resturant I
>>ever ate at was a chineese resturant in Israel, and it sucked rocks
>>IMNSHO)
>The only glatt kosher restaurant I've ever been in was a Chinese
>restaurant on the Yonkers/Scarsdale border. Alas, it no longer exists,
>but I will cherish the name "Mazel Wok" for a long time.
You've been in others. I've eaten with you at Mr. Broadway, which
is glatt (it's hard to find non-glatt kosher meat restaurants in NY).
Jonathan J. Baker
>>Really? I quite like it. Granted, it isn't spicy at all, and it
>>_is_ standard Americanized Chinese food, not something you'd find
>>in Chinatown, but for an Americanized kosher Chinese restaurant,
>>it's quite good.
>>
>Oops. Tackily following up to myself - I misspoke. Shalom Hunan
>is the Chinese place a good walk from Coolidge Corner. Them I
>don't like so much, as the food is only OK, and they're quite
>expensive. Taam China, on the other hand, is right in the heart
>of things in Coolidge Corner, and I'm quite fond of it. The
>Kosher Conspiracy has had post-con gatherings there a couple of
>times.
Oh? Is that what it is? OK. I was confused. One of them split off
from the other, taking the good chef. Which was the original, and
which the split-off? Maybe Taam China is the split-off?
Jonathan J. Baker
>Kevin J. Maroney (kmar...@ungames.com) wrote:
>: The only glatt kosher restaurant I've ever been in was a Chinese
>: restaurant on the Yonkers/Scarsdale border. Alas, it no longer exists,
>: but I will cherish the name "Mazel Wok" for a long time.
>There's a kosher Chinese restaurant (and I *believe* -- from memories
>of its signage -- that it's glatt kosher, though being an undereducated
>goy I wouldn't know glatt if I tripped over it) in Brookline, MA, called
>"Shalom Hunan." I've always rather been drawn to the name, but I'm told
>the food isn't much good.
No, that's the good one. There's another chinese resto across the street
from them. The chef had a falling-out with the owner of the not-so-good
place and left, setting up Shalom Hunan. He was the good chef, so S-H is
great, and the other place is not so good.
Jonathan J. Baker
>Janice Gelb <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote:
>>For example, Shallots in Chicago, which I patronized during worldcon
>>last year, is an extremely gourmet glatt restaurant that was
>>wonderful.
>Well, if I'm ever in the company of Kosher keeping people in Chicago,
>I'll have to try it.
I don't know where you are, but Shallots also has a branch in NYC.
I'm told it's quite good, but haven't been there yet.
Priscilla H. Ballou
wrote:
Whoever those folks were who fed me at the Reading Terminal Market
during Worldcon, they were very fine cooks!
Priscilla
--
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but only he who sees, takes off his shoes. The rest sit round it and
pluck blackberries." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Cally Soukup
> In article <9neff3$7hv$1...@wheel.two14.net>, Cally Soukup wrote:
>> That might be the sect of Amish that my twin sister calls the Black
>> Bumper Amish. She's the receptionist at a used heavy manufacturing
>> equipment dealer, and occasionally a group of Amish will come in (to
>> look at hydraulic equipment; never electric powered.) She's told me
>> that this group of Amish have reluctantly embraced the automobile, but
>> it has to have absolutely no options, and all the frivolous chrome has
>> to be painted black.
> Are you sure they're Amish? Going to college in Pennsylvania, I was told
> that you could tell the Mennonites driving around the eastern part of the
> state, since their cars were totally blacked out.
I'm not sure; I know she calls them Black Bumper Amish, so I think
they must be a (very liberal) sect of the actual Amish, rather than
Mennonites or other Plain People.
Ailsa C. Ek
>In <et> "Ailsa C. Ek" <ail...@mac.com> writes:
>>Oops. Tackily following up to myself - I misspoke. Shalom Hunan
>>is the Chinese place a good walk from Coolidge Corner. Them I
>>don't like so much, as the food is only OK, and they're quite
>>expensive. Taam China, on the other hand, is right in the heart
>>of things in Coolidge Corner, and I'm quite fond of it. The
>>Kosher Conspiracy has had post-con gatherings there a couple of
>>times.
>
>Oh? Is that what it is? OK. I was confused. One of them split off
>from the other, taking the good chef. Which was the original, and
>which the split-off? Maybe Taam China is the split-off?
Taam China is newer. That's all I can vouch for, but since it's
only a few years old, it does sound like it's possible it did
split off from the other.
I love their General Tso's Chicken. :)
--
New quote coming soon Ailsa C. Ek
Ail...@mac.com
Nancy Lebovitz
The Blue Rose <sta...@xtra.spam1.co.spam2.nz> wrote:
>>
>This is kinda my one shot at ever doing this in the US, and I dont
Depending on time and money, you might be able to include Bubonicon
in the trip to Con Jose--it's a medium-sized convention in Albuquerque
a week or two before Worldcon (the dates for the next Bubonicon don't
seem to be up yet). Albuquerque is approximately 700 miles from
San Jose.
>really mind how or what I do, I would like it to be positively
>memorable. The people I would be visiting with primarily live in
>Mass, so one of the offerings - Readercon - is there I thought I read
>somewhere, and that has definite appeal. Unless they are held real
>close together, Im not sure if I would get the option of toe dipping
>BEFORE I had a chance to think about it.
>
--
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Nancy Lebovitz
Janice Gelb <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote:
>In article 1...@dent.deepthot.org, dene...@deepthot.org (Jay Denebeim) writes:
>>In article <9n8665$72q$1...@panix2.panix.com>,
>>James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The food (I don't drive and unlike Zev, I don't take all the
>>>food I intend to eat at a con to the con with me
>>
>>convention center (first time I've ever seen one in the states). Did
>>anyone try it? Was it any good? (the only glat kosher resturant I
>>ever ate at was a chineese resturant in Israel, and it sucked rocks
>>IMNSHO)
>>
>
>I didn't care because they had lamb chops, which I can't
>easily get at home.
>
It's a little late to mention it by now, but they've also got
a very good multi-salad plate.
Nancy Lebovitz
Zev Sero <zs...@free-market.net> wrote:
>
>But Ashkenazi tradition is that if there are adhesions on the lung
>of an adult animal, the lung can be inflated, and if no air escapes
>at the point of the adhesion then the animal is kosher. In the USA
>and other western countries the economy of the meat industry is
>completely different than it was in Eastern Europe, both in the size
>of the kosher market, and the fact that if an animal is rejected
>from kosher processing it can easily be transferred to a non-kosher
>line at little economic loss; plus the animals are healthier, meaning
>fewer of them are rejected, so there is little need to rely on this
>leniency.
How often do cows turn out to have inflatable lungs with adhesions?
James Nicoll
Farah Mendlesohn <fa...@fjm3.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>The way to understand the Amish/Mennonite relationship:
>
>all Amish and Mennonites are Anabaptists. The Mennonites were followers of
>Menno and as far as I am aware the Amish came from this group but regard
>themselves as the original group. I'm not sure where the name came from.
If memory serves, the name comes from an early convert to anabaptism
named Jakob Ammon.
James Nicoll
But memory didn't serve. The Amish are named after Jacob Ammann,
and although his name appeared in several forms, the one I used above is
not one of them. Well, I guess it is now but it was not when he was alive.
Ammann's zealotry triggered a split in the anabaptists in the 16th
century and _The Amish_ by John Hostetler credits his influence with the
addition of foot-washing, simple grooming styles, and social avoidance to
the earlier Swiss traditions of brotherly love and brotherly union. Amish
comes from the diminuative 'ami'.
Janice Gelb
>question; I simply don't know.) Of course, if you live in Auckland
>and WhatAGreatNZCon is in Dunedin, that doesn't exactly put it just
>out your back door.
>
The New Zealand Natcon in June 2002 is in Wellington on
Queen's Birthday weekend, and is called Con With the Wind.
(I already have my membership.) The Oz Natcon (Convergence)
is the weekend after that in Melbourne (also Queen's Birthday
weekend!).
Web sites are:
http://con-with-the-wind.sf.org.nz/
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~converge/
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Alison Hopkins
James Nicoll wrote in message <9niggh$l7e$1...@panix2.panix.com>...
So, what happened to the Atenites? Are they all in Florida, or what?
Ali
James Nicoll
That said, anabaptists are capable of diversifying very
very rapidly, and geographical separation helps. Watching the
friction at the world conference of Mennonites held at UW in
1980 was, hrm, interesting.
Kevin J. Maroney
>Ah, confirms what I always thought, that religious requirements for
>kosher (and probably halal) are actually made for health reasons.
No; they're questions of purity, and formality. The animals must be
free of defect or they are unfit to eat.
--
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Kitchen Staff Supervisor, The New York Review of Science Fiction
<http://www.nyrsf.com>
Kevin J. Maroney
>>The only glatt kosher restaurant I've ever been in was ...
>>"Mazel Wok"....
>
>You've been in others. I've eaten with you at Mr. Broadway, which
>is glatt (it's hard to find non-glatt kosher meat restaurants in NY).
I hadn't realized that. I suspect that Mazel Wok made a bigger deal
out of its specific status than Mr. Broadway does.
Alison Hopkins
James Nicoll wrote in message <9niv3i$feu$1...@panix2.panix.com>...
>In article <3b9cfea9$0$8507$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>,
>Alison Hopkins <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>James Nicoll wrote in message <9niggh$l7e$1...@panix2.panix.com>...
>>>In article <3B9B87A8...@fjm3.demon.co.uk>,
>>>Farah Mendlesohn <fa...@fjm3.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The way to understand the Amish/Mennonite relationship:
>>>>
>>>>all Amish and Mennonites are Anabaptists. The Mennonites were followers
>>of
>>>>Menno and as far as I am aware the Amish came from this group but regard
>>>>themselves as the original group. I'm not sure where the name came from.
>>>
>>> If memory serves, the name comes from an early convert to anabaptism
>>>named Jakob Ammon.
>>
>>So, what happened to the Atenites? Are they all in Florida, or what?
>>
> I knew I didn't post my correction fast enough.
Never mind that, did you get my pathetic joke!
Ali
Janice Gelb
>Ah, confirms what I always thought, that religious requirements for
>kosher (and probably halal) are actually made for health reasons.
>
Nothing in Zev's post indicated that this was for health
reasons. In fact, there is no reason given in the Bible
for the kosher laws. Heath reasons is only one possibility
of several proposed ones that I know of.
Janice Gelb
> In article <9n8eb3$2tp$1...@ebaynews1.ebay.Sun.COM>,
> Janice Gelb <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote:
>
> >If you mean Maccabeam, I tried it. It wasn't that great but
> >I didn't care because they had lamb chops, which I can't
> >easily get at home.
>
> ever having much of the way in flavor. (IMHO YMMV etc) Actually, I
> guess that the way I prefer my meat, medium rare, isn't even legal
> kosherly speaking.
Sure it is - you can get medium rare meat at kosher restaurants.
And you can get decent lamb chops too. (I had wonderful lamb chops
at Bugsy's in Chicago.) Israeli joints like Maccabeam tend to
overcook them and dry them out, unfortunately.
James Nicoll
Alison Hopkins <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>James Nicoll wrote in message <9niv3i$feu$1...@panix2.panix.com>...
>>In article <3b9cfea9$0$8507$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>,
>>Alison Hopkins <fn...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>James Nicoll wrote in message <9niggh$l7e$1...@panix2.panix.com>...
>>>>In article <3B9B87A8...@fjm3.demon.co.uk>,
>>>>Farah Mendlesohn <fa...@fjm3.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The way to understand the Amish/Mennonite relationship:
>>>>>
>>>>>all Amish and Mennonites are Anabaptists. The Mennonites were followers
>>>of
>>>>>Menno and as far as I am aware the Amish came from this group but regard
>>>>>themselves as the original group. I'm not sure where the name came from.
>>>>
>>>> If memory serves, the name comes from an early convert to anabaptism
>>>>named Jakob Ammon.
>>>
>>>So, what happened to the Atenites? Are they all in Florida, or what?
>>>
>> I knew I didn't post my correction fast enough.
>
>Never mind that, did you get my pathetic joke!
>
an offshoot branch of the anabaptists. Perhaps the terraforming Mennonites
of MArs will be Atenites...
Joel Rosenberg
"Janice Gelb" <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote in message
news:9nj1ir$3oo$1...@ebaynews1.ebay.Sun.COM...
> Vlatko Juric-Kokic <vlatko.ju...@zg.hinet.hr> wrote:
> >Ah, confirms what I always thought, that religious requirements for
> >kosher (and probably halal) are actually made for health reasons.
> >
>
> Nothing in Zev's post indicated that this was for health
> reasons. In fact, there is no reason given in the Bible
> for the kosher laws. Heath reasons is only one possibility
> of several proposed ones that I know of.
>
And some of the kashrut laws -- shatness, for example -- can only be related
to health concerns by a painful stretch of the imagination, and I have my
doubts about things like non-cloven-footed animals, as well. (What would
make somebody conclude that, say, horses are unhealthy to eat while cows
aren't?)
Alison Hopkins
Janice Gelb
>
>"Janice Gelb" <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote in message
>news:9nj1ir$3oo$1...@ebaynews1.ebay.Sun.COM...
>>
>> reasons. In fact, there is no reason given in the Bible
>> for the kosher laws. Heath reasons is only one possibility
>> of several proposed ones that I know of.
>>
>
>And some of the kashrut laws -- shatness, for example -- can only be related
>to health concerns by a painful stretch of the imagination, and I have my
>doubts about things like non-cloven-footed animals, as well. (What would
>make somebody conclude that, say, horses are unhealthy to eat while cows
>aren't?)
>
I presume a "non" was missing before "kashrut laws" above?
Shatnes is certainly not a kashrut-related law.
Dorothy J Heydt
Janice Gelb <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote:
>
>Nothing in Zev's post indicated that this was for health
>reasons. In fact, there is no reason given in the Bible
>for the kosher laws. Heath reasons is only one possibility
>of several proposed ones that I know of.
When I was a tiny tot, we are talking about the late 1940s, one
of the books we had around the house was called _The Struggle for
Health,_ I think it had been one of my father's textbooks in
college. The author went into great detail about the Mosaic law,
he really admired Moses, not only for being so astute as to
realize that doing various things, and avoiding doing various
other things, would increase the tribes' public health status;
but also for having been so clever as to realize that wrapping
all the public health regulations in religious garb would
persuade the ignorant tribesfolk to follow them. I do not think
this author was Jewish, somehow.
Dorothy J. Heydt
Albany, California
djh...@kithrup.com
http://www.kithrup.com/~djheydt
Andrew Stephenson
jdni...@panix.com "James Nicoll" writes:
> [...]
>
> That said, anabaptists are capable of diversifying very
> very rapidly, and geographical separation helps. Watching the
> friction at the world conference of Mennonites held at UW in
> 1980 was, hrm, interesting.
They sound like viruses -- cold or 'flu -- mutating to cope with
opposing dogmas. The distinctive clothes and hats would be the
special coating by which anti(religious)bodies recognise them.
The quaint buggies would be the means of transmission. And the
infective payloads are the ideas in their heads. The CDA would
name them according to place of first identification. One can
imagine the worried Secret Service agents hurrying in: "Mister
President, this epidemic of Earnestly Devout Scranton Anabaptists
is getting out of hand. You need immunisation. We have a priest
standing by to pray at you and administer religious instruction."
--
Andrew Stephenson
Dave Weingart
>I don't know where you are, but Shallots also has a branch in NYC.
>I'm told it's quite good, but haven't been there yet.
*blink*
They do????
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Vlatko Juric-Kokic
Heydt) wrote:
>In article <9nj1ir$3oo$1...@ebaynews1.ebay.Sun.COM>,
>Janice Gelb <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote:
>>
>>Nothing in Zev's post indicated that this was for health
>>reasons. In fact, there is no reason given in the Bible
>>for the kosher laws. Heath reasons is only one possibility
>>of several proposed ones that I know of.
>
>When I was a tiny tot, we are talking about the late 1940s, one
>of the books we had around the house was called _The Struggle for
>Health,_
Thanks, Dorothy.
Well, Janice, as I said, Zev's post confirmed what I *thought*. It
just served as a convenient place to insert it. And there's nothing in
the procedure that says it *wasn't* for health reasons.
vlatko
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Janice Gelb
>
>In article <9nj1ir$3oo$1...@ebaynews1.ebay.Sun.COM>,
>Janice Gelb <jan...@marvin.eng.sun.com> wrote:
>
>>Nothing in Zev's post indicated that this was for health
>>reasons. In fact, there is no reason given in the Bible
>>for the kosher laws. Heath reasons is only one possibility
>>of several proposed ones that I know of.
>
>just served as a convenient place to insert it. And there's nothing in
>the procedure that says it *wasn't* for health reasons.
>
It couldn't confirm anything unless it stated that thing
as being true. Which it didn't. Just because it didn't
claim it wasn't intended for something doesn't confirm
that it is.
Del Cotter
James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> said:
>Farah Mendlesohn <fa...@fjm3.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>all Amish and Mennonites are Anabaptists. The Mennonites were followers of
>>Menno and as far as I am aware the Amish came from this group but regard
>>themselves as the original group. I'm not sure where the name came from.
>
>If memory serves, the name comes from an early convert to anabaptism
>named Jakob Ammon.
So they should rightly be called Ammonites?
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James Nicoll
I spelled the name wrong so it should be Ammannites. Spoils the
joke but ah well.
Amish is from 'Ami', a diminuative.
Ed Dravecky III
> Del Cotter <d...@branta.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >James Nicoll <jdni...@panix.com> said:
> > > If memory serves, the name comes from an early convert to
> > > anabaptism named Jakob Ammon.
> >
> > So they should rightly be called Ammonites?
>
> I spelled the name wrong so it should be Ammannites. Spoils the
> joke but ah well. Amish is from 'Ami', a diminuative.
Could the name signal any relation to the Amana?
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