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Andrew Lockley

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Apr 17, 2015, 5:16:40 PM4/17/15
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32334528

By Simon Redfern
Science writer
16 April 2015
From the section Science & Environment

Any attempts to engineer the climate are likely to result in "different" climate change, rather than its elimination, new results suggest.
Prof Ken Caldeira, of Stanford University, presented research at a major conference on the climate risks and impacts of geoengineering.
These techniques have been hailed by some as a quick fix for climate change.
But the impacts of geoengineering on oceans, the water cycle and land environments are hotly debated.
They have been discussed at a meeting this week of 12,000 scientists in Vienna.
Researchers are familiar with the global cooling effects of volcanic eruptions, seen both historically and even back into the deep past of the rock record.
With this in mind, some here at the European Geosciences Union General Assembly have been discussing the possible worldwide consequences of pumping sulphate aerosols into the stratosphere to attempt to reflect sunlight back into space and cool the planet.
Planetary sunshade
Two hundred years ago this month, the huge volcano Mount Tambora erupted in Indonesia, throwing tonnes of gas and ash into the stratosphere.
Maybe as much as 100 million tonnes of sulphur dioxide aerosols spread as a blanket around the globe, acting like a planetary sunshade.
Global temperatures plummeted, and across America and Europe 1816 became known as the year without a summer.
Such global cooling processes, but managed in a geoengineering solution, have been touted by some as a possible mechanism to extricate the planet from its path towards a warmer future.
Solar radiation management would use stratospheric sulphate aerosols to dim the Sun. Using a variety of climate models, Ken Caldeira, from the Carnegie Institution for Science in Stanford, California, has investigated the likely consequences of such geoengineering on agriculture across the globe.
Mount Pinatubo
Mount Pinatubo pumped 20 million tonnes of sulphur dioxide high into the sky above the Philippines
His research shows that while dimming could rapidly decrease global temperatures, high CO2 levels would be expected to persist, and it is the balance between temperature, CO2, and sunlight that affects plant growth and agriculture.
Exploring the regional effects, he finds that a stratospherically dimmed world would show increased plant productivity in the tropics, but lessened plant growth across the northerly latitudes of America, Europe and Asia.
It is easy to see how there might be geopolitical shifts associated with changes in regional food production across the globe.
"It's probably the poor tropics that stand to benefit and the rich north that stands to lose," said Prof Caldeira.
But what if geoengineered sulphate aerosols were, nonetheless, deployed and then a large volcanic eruption like Pinatubo in the Philippines took place? Three such eruptions occurred in the last century so the scenario seems likely.
Bad timing
Hannele Korhonen, of the Finnish Meteorological Institute, suggests that the climate impacts could be quite unexpected.
Her results indicate increased temperatures in the Southern Ocean and in northerly latitudes, as well as the mid-Pacific, but cooling in African and Asian mid-latitudes.
Regional weather patterns would still change, as they did after Tambora in 1816, with similar widely felt disruption.
"Deploying solar radiation management methods would lead to a completely new climate state with enhanced greenhouse effect and reduced solar radiation," said Korhonen, adding: "There are great uncertainties, related especially to the regional climate impacts of solar radiation management."
Commenting on the results, Helene Muri, of the University of Oslo, said: "These modelling experiments have highlighted the new risks associated with solar radiation management. The safest option is, of course, to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and aim for a more sustainable way of living and managing the planet."
It is not at all obvious what the other consequences of global geoengineering approaches might be. For example, Patrick Applegate from Pennsylvania State University, reported that solar radiation management may yet fail to prevent sea-level rise from melting ice sheets, which respond on much longer time scales than the temperature effects of solar shielding.
Aside from being ineffective in stemming sea-level rise, solar radiation management - according to results from Jerry Tjiputra at Bergen University - would lead to increased ocean acidification in the North Atlantic.
These results also suggest that climate engineering could not offer a long-term solution, with the world eventually being in the same place, by 2200, as it would reach without any geoengineering interventions.
Asked whether he believed solar radiation management would be deployed, Prof Caldeira responded: "A lot has to do with how bad climate change will end up being. Humans are quite adaptable as a species.
"On the other hand, projections for summers in the tropics suggest almost every summer will be hotter than the hottest summer yet on record, associated with crop failures. There is the possibility that there would be widespread crop failures in the tropics in the summer.
"The only thing a politician can do to start the planet cooling is solar geoengineering. If a catastrophic outcome does occur, the pressure to deploy a scheme could be overwhelming.
"Research into this is an act of desperation on the part of scientists. People see the greenhouse gas concentrations increase and are looking for other ways to reduce environmental risk."

Ronal W. Larson

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Apr 19, 2015, 11:01:55 PM4/19/15
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Andrew and list

1.  Besides your message below being about Prof. Caldeira’s comments on SRM, this is a nice reminder that a major “Geo”-related conference ended a few days ago.  At:
 I found about 40 oral and poster presentations on biochar and about the same number with a biomass flavor.  This seems to be down a little from the previous year, found at:
    Could those who attended give us a flavor for how the various SRM and CDR/NET approaches were being viewed by conference attendees?  

2.   I was surprised to see Prof.  Caldeira’s session had only 4 other papers on SRM - none of which seemed particularly positive.

3.  With apologies for bringing up the “only” subject again so soon, I wonder if others see a disparity with the above statistics and a sentence almost at the end below:
"The only thing a politician can do to start the planet cooling is solar geoengineering.
 
Ron



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Schuiling, R.D. (Olaf)

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Apr 20, 2015, 3:33:20 AM4/20/15
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I would like to express it better, what politicians should do:

“the best thing that politicians can do is to intensify the process that has throughout the geological history of the Earth captured its CO2 and stored it safely in rocks” Olaf Schuiling

Motoko

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Apr 20, 2015, 6:56:18 AM4/20/15
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Dear Ron,

to 1.
I attended only a few of the biochar presentations. From the program and the presentation I it seemed that biochar has not been studied as a CE measure. Most of the talk/posters were about soil enhancement. (BTW, it is the international year of soil.) Some authors of CE-biochar papers have been present but were not talking about CDR.

There has also been a press conference with the some of the people that have been at the CE session.
http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2015/session/19804

to 2.
Conveners of the session have been Helene Muri, Simon Driscoll, and Peter Irvine.
The session seemed balanced. Some talked about the interlink of a volcanic eruption and stratospheric SRM (Korhonen) or sea-level rise and SRM (Applegate). I wouldn't call them in particular positive rather then very negative.

Nils

Ronal W. Larson

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Apr 20, 2015, 12:34:53 PM4/20/15
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Nils,  cc list:

Thanks for this report; very helpful.  

I hope others will do the same.   

Few notes below.


On Apr 20, 2015, at 4:56 AM, Motoko <moto...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Dear Ron,

to 1.
I attended only a few of the biochar presentations. From the program and the presentation I it seemed that biochar has not been studied as a CE measure. Most of the talk/posters were about soil enhancement. (BTW, it is the international year of soil.) Some authors of CE-biochar papers have been present but were not talking about CDR.
[RWL1:  Yes, (as you probably know but others may not) the emphasis in almost all biochar discussion venues is the same: soil productivity (mostly) improvements, rely anything on CDR/NET results or costs.  But there is zero conflict between these two aspects of biochar.  If one utilizes biochar for the former, this greatly helps the CDR analysis because the CDR/NET cost of the char falls and, for high value crops, has even become negative (first year payback)    I’m afraid the few CDR/NET analysts haven’t understood yet how important the soil benefits are for increasing the use of biochar for CDR reasons.  I will send another message soon on a new such analysis.


There has also been a press conference with the some of the people that have been at the CE session.
http://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EGU2015/session/19804
      [RWL1’:    The direct URL for the 37-minute “solar geo” press conference video is 
The title of the press conference was “geoengineering”, but the terms CDR and NET never was mentioned, I think.  About 10 reporters.

Prof.  Caldeira does a good job in explaining the impacts of solar geo on plant growth.  
Dr.  Muri at 8:30 on thin high clouds.  Some good plots;  quite different predictions in two hemispheres.
Dr.  Korhonen at 15:00 gave a result I have not previously seen - that solar geoengineering is predicted to increase (NOT decrease) temperatures at high latitudes.  Also it seems a new cooling prediction of what happens with combined volcanic and solar-geo impacts.

Q1.  A good question to Ken at minute 21, saying here that his new results contradict previous predictions re latitude.

  Q2 at 26:30 on expectations for solar Geo and the arctic.  Here is where Ken’s coupling of politicians and “only” occurs.  I now put emphasis on the “politician” portion of the statement.

Q3 at 31:30 related to public acceptance.

Q4 at 35:15 on crop impact.  Repeat answer on Ken’s opening talk.

to 2.
Conveners of the session have been Helene Muri, Simon Driscoll, and Peter Irvine.
The session seemed balanced. Some talked about the interlink of a volcanic eruption and stratospheric SRM (Korhonen) or sea-level rise and SRM (Applegate). I wouldn't call them in particular positive rather then very negative.
    RWL2:  Thanks.  The press conference didn’t include Applegate.  There are abstracts for all talks at the site given below;  I get a lot more from the video - and especially for the answers to the questions during the press conference.

There are other press conferences that may be relevant.  #3 is reported to include CCS.


Ron

Nils


Am 20.04.2015 um 05:01 schrieb Ronal W. Larson:
Andrew and list

1.  Besides your message below being about Prof. Caldeira’s comments on SRM, this is a nice reminder that a major “Geo”-related conference ended a few days ago.  At:
 I found about 40 oral and poster presentations on biochar and about the same number with a biomass flavor.  This seems to be down a little from the previous year, found at:
    Could those who attended give us a flavor for how the various SRM and CDR/NET approaches were being viewed by conference attendees?  

2.   I was surprised to see Prof.  Caldeira’s session had only 4 other papers on SRM - none of which seemed particularly positive.

3.  With apologies for bringing up the “only” subject again so soon, I wonder if others see a disparity with the above statistics and a sentence almost at the end below:
"The only thing a politician can do to start the planet cooling is solar geoengineering.
 
Ron



On Apr 17, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Andrew Lockley <andrew....@gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32334528

By Simon Redfern
Science writer

<snip>


Emphasis added below

“The only thing a politician can do to start the planet cooling is solar geoengineering. If a catastrophic outcome does occur, the pressure to deploy a scheme could be overwhelming.

<SNIP>

Ronal W. Larson

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Apr 20, 2015, 12:51:03 PM4/20/15
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Prof Schulling,  cc list:

I hope you are correct.  We need every possible means of CDR.

I have just learned of a new (February) rare comparison of the CDR (their term: NET) options (under the phrase “Stranded Assets):

They have identified three approaches they call “No Regrets”, which become NR-NET.  I am pleased that biochar is there - but I don’t think they have yet fully captured biochar potential.  

Your olivine approach is not one of the three - because of the high energy costs of achieving small particles.  Could you respond to them?

Ron

Parminder Singh

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Apr 21, 2015, 1:38:14 PM4/21/15
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Overtopping dams and plunge pools on spillways create extreme hydraulic conditions that can cause rock scour and erosion downstream. Why not fill with olivine rocks.

Parminder Singh

Michael Hayes

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Apr 25, 2015, 5:05:56 AM4/25/15
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Hi folks, 

I find Ken's statement of "The only thing a politician can do to start the planet cooling is solar geoengineering." is un-supportable, on the face of it, as there are a multitude of 'planet cooling' means and methods available. And, the statement ignores roughly every thing that the IPCC (WG3) supports on the mitigation side of the equation.

We need to avoid being tethered to a cult of personality and focus upon that which we can do....and do safely. The use of Stratospheric Aerosol (sulfuric acid) Injection is not, under it's current protocol of deployment, safe....And, Ken knows this to be true.

Best,

Micahel

John Nissen

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Apr 26, 2015, 7:12:49 PM4/26/15
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Hi Michael,

I would like to defend Ken on this matter.  SRM-type geoengineering is the only kind of intervention which could cool the planet straightaway.  We are already cooling the planet with our SO2 emissions associated with coal-fired power stations, but not sufficiently to offset global warming from greenhouse gases.  If SO2 emissions were stopped, e.g. because of an economic downturn in China, the planet would warm suddenly; whereas if they were put in the stratosphere they would could cool much more effectively and probably more safely.  And if they were put in the stratosphere at mid to high latitude, they might save the Arctic sea ice - the highest priority at present.

Cheers, John


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Andrew Lockley

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Apr 26, 2015, 7:54:12 PM4/26/15
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In theory, I would have thought a rapid drop in CO2 emissions should cause global temperatures to drop pretty quickly, as ocean uptake will remove a lot of historical emissions. You'd have to keep sulphur emissions constant for this to happen, though.

Choosing whether to maintain sulphur protection is one of the ways to 'get the camel's nose in the tent', as far as SRM acceptability goes.

A

Doug MacMartin

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Apr 26, 2015, 8:24:41 PM4/26/15
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Plot is from Cao et al, 2011.  Zeroing emissions does cause CO2 to drop somewhat, but the climate is not yet in equilibrium with current CO2 levels, so the net effect is roughly constant temperature, all else being equal.

 

image001.jpg

Michael Hayes

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Apr 30, 2015, 1:26:50 PM4/30/15
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Andrew et. al.,

Ocean up-take should be our primary point of CO2 capture, which sets up a wealth of downstream critical commodities through proper utilization and sequestration. The technology needed for vast scale mid-oceanic farming of marine biomass is well developed yet the suite of technologies have simply never  been assimilated for such a mission. 

Concerning the statement of: "You'd have to keep sulphur emissions constant for this to happen, though"; That technical ramp-down strategy is useful. Yet, sulfur/BC are a secondary issue(s) and not fundamentally dependant upon SAI for that balancing act.  

Concerning the statement of: Choosing whether to maintain sulphur protection is one of the ways to 'get the camel's nose in the tent', as far as SRM acceptability goes."; I assume you are using SRM as simply meaning SAI? As I'm sure you recall, the Marine Cloud Brightening (MCB) SRM regimen has no primary/secondary connection to sulfur/BC.

The MCB regimen is a highly predictable form od SRM, controllable on short wave deployment status and does not generate Polar Stratspheric Clouds (PSC) and thus trigger Clathrate Gun Hypothesis (CGH) like effects etc. Yet, MCB, being primarily associated with the hydraulic loop, can thus trump SAIs claim to hydraulic cycle modulation superiority due to the far heavier cost per polar (in-)stability.  

In many ways, the SAI protocol seems to be a well designed regimen to increase PCS/CGH effects. By all accounts, the SAI protocol is directed at creating a physically 'equitable' atmosphere which does insure increased vulnerability to PSC/CGH threats.

The lack of delta-T in the atmospheric dynamics (a.k.a. an equitable atmosphere), does destabilize many aspects of the climate and creating an equitable atmosphere is the stated goal of the SAI strategy. An equitable atmosphere...is...the primary threat vector, at this time, presented by global warming....and SAI.

As atmospheric moisture is a secondary issue, we need to look to the primary systemic issues (CO2 capture/utilization/sequestration) for central technical points upon which a (bio) geoengineering metastrategy can be built upon. Marine biomass production, on vast scale, with support from protocols such as MCB, biochar, olivine, AWL etc. represents a robust bio-geoengineering regimen which does not increase the PSC/CGH threat level and can help maintain a balanced (non-equitable atmospheric based) planetary climate.

John, your statement of; "SRM-type geoengineering is the only kind of intervention which could cool the planet straightaway" seems to ignore MCB and that SAI does not offer polar cooling! Also, the Arctic methane issue may be best served by use of the methane within cultivation systems as well as used for ice production. 

In brief, SAI will warm the polar regions simply due to the expected increase in PSC. Your AMEG group is actually supporting the warming of the polar regions through supporting SAI. Is that the AMEG group's actual intentions?

Doug, thank you for the plots. I believe a great deal of attention needs to be paid to that type of data as such data may be seen as a strong indicator for net negative global emissions (per RCP 2.6). As can easily be deduces from the SAI protocol, it simply does...zero...in getting us to RCP 2.6.

I was not able to find the Cao et al, 2011 paper. Can you send a link?

Parminder, as biologists often remind use, nature often pivots upon the swing of a few percentages within critical relationships. The carbon capture, utilization and sequestration relationships in nature does offer important instructions for us in getting to RCP.2.6. within a "self-organizing, complex, adaptive system". The IPCC supported Bio-Energy with Carbon Capture and Sequestration (BECCS) path is seemingy the best fit with such a highly dynamic matrix.

In conclusion; To quote Dr. Sallie Chisholm on her views concerning geoengineering as it is most popularly defined (SAI?); "Proponents of research on geoengineering simply keep ignoring the fact that the biosphere is a player in what ever we do, and its trajectory cannot be predicted. It is a living breathing collection of organisms that are evolving every second-a 'self-organizing, complex, adaptive system'. These types of systems have emergent properties that simply cannot be predicted. We all know this! Yet proponents of geoengineering research leave that out of the discussion.".

Bio-geoengineering, through marine biomass production/biochar/olivine/bio-energy/MCB etc., does not neglect the above obvious reality, as so well put forth by Dr. Chisholm, as the bio-geoengineering suite of technologies are all flexible enough to keep pace with a self-organizing, adaptive and vastly complex planetary system(s).....while also achieving RCP 2.6.

Whereas, SAI does profoundly neglect the emergent/evolutionary properties of nature and does so at a fundamentally critical level....sunlight!!! And, SAI does nothing towards assistance in our critical need to achieve the RCP 2.6 scenario.

Thus, SAI, under its current deployment protocol, must be viewed at the policy, socioeconomic and environmental levels as being highly un-necessarily un-safe and the claim that SAI is "The only thing a politician can do to start the planet cooling is solar geoengineering' is simply not supportable at the STEM/policy levels....on the face of it..

Best regards,

Michael



 


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