The biggest mistake of first generation "researchers"

[Mike]

The biggest mistake of first generation researchers is they gave
Zapruder a free pass. They never investigated his actions closely.

They continue to do that to this very day.

Mark Lane, who seemed very interested in what happened on the Grassy
Knoll did not even interview Zapruder and Sitzman. They got a free pass
from Mr. Mark Lane.

[fatol...@gmail.com]

Most JFK "researchers" are merely hawking books. The integrity of the
Zapruder film cannot stand up to serious scrutiny. And, even so, it still
proves conspiracy when taken at face value. The only explanation is that
JFK's murderers run the country. The authorities charged with
investigating the crime are the ones who committed the crime.

[David Von Pein]

Good Lord. How preposterously silly can you get?

Why on Earth would anyone even BEGIN to suspect Mr. Abraham Zapruder of
doing anything shady or sinister merely because he happened to film the
assassination with his 8-mm. home movie camera? It's beyond silly. It's an
obscene allegation, with no basis for even being brought up (much less
seriously investigated).

But why single out only Mr. Zapruder? Why not extend the plot and the
sinister allegations to all of the other photographers in Dealey Plaza
that day? Such as Muchmore, Nix, Moorman, Willis, Bell, Altgens, Dorman,
the Towners, etc.

Why should ANY bystander in the Plaza get a "free pass"? Maybe even Emmett
Hudson on the Knoll steps is worthy of serious investigation too.

Where does it end with conspiracy mongers? Or does it ever end?

[Ralph Cinque]

It seems that among conspiracy advocates, at least 50% accept that the
Zapruder film was altered. They removed frames to hide the slowing and
stopping of the vehicle during the shooting. And they did much more than
that. But, they couldn't do anything about the "back and to the left"
movement of Kennedy's head, and that alone proves conspiracy because the
force that would have moved Kennedy's head in that direction had to come
from the Grassy Knoll, as physicist G. Paul Chambers explained in Head
Shot. So, fatol said it well: they destroyed the integrity of the Z-film,
but it still proves conspiracy.

But, regarding the 1st generation researchers, it pleases me to realize
that many of them recognized Oswald in the doorway, and that includes Mark
Lane, Vincent Salandria, Harold Weisberg, and Penn Jones. But, where I am
disappointed is that none of them, that I know of, championed Altgens
photo alteration. And it's a shame because it is probably the most altered
political photograph in the history of photography.

Why didn't they recognize that it was altered when there is so much weird,
crude, jarring stuff in it? Well, it took a long time for Z-film
alteration to get recognized too. There is resistance to recognizing it,
and it's because this is the United States of America, and we're all
brainwashed into thinking that stuff like that doesn't go on here. It was
Stalin who was famous for endlessly manipulating and altering photographs.
The Nazis did their share of it too. But, this is the good old USA, and we
don't do things like that here.

So, the conditioning of being Americans prevented their minds from going
there. Here they were recognizing that JFK was killed by an evil cabal,
with his murder being a "national security event" to use a term of my
friend Vince Salandria. They could conceive of that, but they couldn't
conceive of them altering a photograph to change the information it
presented.

Oh, but they did.

[Jason Burke]

Well, you got the first sentence correct.
But 0-for-4 on the remainder.

[mainframetech]

If they're 'hawking books' then they may have done the research that
led to the book.

And the Z-film doesn't have much in the way of "integrity" when you
read Douglas Horne's 4th volume of 5, where he devotes a great deal of
space to proving the Z-film was taken to a CIA film lab and worked over
just so that people would think it had "integrity".

Chris

[Mike]

We really do not know who is really behind a book that is published.


What we do know is that many of the books blame the CIA and not a single
one of those books puts the blame on the Israeli Intelligence Agency,
even though it is the Israeli's who had, without a doubt, the largest
motive to see regime change at that moment in history.

[Walt]

On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:55:04 PM UTC-5, fatol...@gmail.com wrote:
> Most JFK "researchers" are merely hawking books. The integrity of the
>
> Zapruder film cannot stand up to serious scrutiny. And, even so, it still
>
> proves conspiracy when taken at face value. The only explanation is that
>
> JFK's murderers run the country. The authorities charged with
>
> investigating the crime are the ones who committed the crime.

Not quite right..... You're right on target in saying..." The authorities

charged with investigating the crime are the ones who committed the
crime."

BUT.... They could never have pulled it off if The Warren Commission had
had the balls to Stand up and tell us the truth. Hoover and Johnson knew
who had to select for the "Select Blue Ribbon committee" to investigate
the murder, because Hoover knew who skeletons in their closets that could
be used to control them.

[fatol...@gmail.com]

Investigators should suspect everybody, especially the guy who shot the
snuff flick and was handsomely paid off and lied about it. Especially him.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

Well put. Sadly.

Zapruder wasn't even going to film the motorcade until his secretary
convinced him to go back home and get his camera.

The man was traumatized by what he saw.

There is no evidence - there's that phrase again - that Zapruder was
involved in any way with the assassination. He was just a humble dress
maker who came here and tried to make a life.

[Mike]

You are just showing how little you know about the evidence in this case.

[FELIX LEITER]

On Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:14:33 AM UTC-4, David Von Pein wrote:

Zapruder had to have been involved in the conspiracy because he did not
use a 16mm Bolex motion picture camera.

[fatol...@gmail.com]

The Warren Commission's "balls" belonged to the conspiracy. I doubt they
needed blackmail from Hoover. Allen Dulles was probably one of the
plotters. Gerald Ford was in Bush's pocket, as he later demonstrated by
making him CIA director before a non-Bushie could become president. Ford
knew there was some cleaning up needed doing, and who but Bush? Whatever
integrity existed could be crushed by the Johnson Treatment. I don't think
that blackmail was needed.

[Anthony Marsh]

That is simply not true. There is ONE book which blames Mossad.
Otherwise how would you ever hear about this?

[David Von Pein]

Yeah, sure, Mike. It's either that or I'm emphasizing the total lack of
reasoned thinking among JFK conspiracy theorists. One or the other. (And
guess which option makes the most sense?)

[mainframetech]

So you don't think LBJ had reason to make a regime change? :)

Chris

[Mike]

There is evidence.

[Mike]

Let me be blunt. I do not read your stuff.

You know better than to debate me because you know what will happen.

[Mike]

Hear about what?

[FELIX LEITER]

Didn't the Mossad bring down the World Trade Center and inject Yassir
Arafat with AIDS?

[Anthony Marsh]

The theory that Jews killed JFK.

[David Von Pein]

Imagine my disappointment.

>
>
>
> You know better than to debate me because you know what will happen.

Let me guess -- you're one those CTers who thinks there isn't a shred of
evidence to show Lee H. Oswald fired a single shot at anyone in the
calendar year of nineteen hundred and sixty-three.

(How close was I?)

[Mike]

I didn't hear about it.

The evidence leads in that direction.

Jack Ruby practically told us about it.

They made a lot of obvious mistakes. That is why they had to get so
involved in the aftermath.

[Mike]

Not very close.

[Anthony Marsh]

No. Jack Ruby was complaining that the John Birch Society were trying to
blame the Jews.

[FELIX LEITER]

Marsh should join the John Birch Society and give up that leftwing
garbage.

[mainframetech]

Right on.

Chris