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Tom Johnson

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Apr 24, 2012, 12:18:50 PM4/24/12
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I think 3D printing like this has huge potential for places like New Mexico.  Anywhere, really, but given the low threshold of entry -- both in terms of $$$ and skills -- it's a way to bring the machine tool industry back to North America.

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Greg Sonnenfeld

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Apr 24, 2012, 1:40:53 PM4/24/12
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Hello,
3D printing is really great for prototyping and design and certainly
has potential for keeping prototype work in america. For production
parts though, its very costly compared to classic plastic injection
molding.

A couple years ago I had a face plate and bezel (3cm x 15cm x 27cm )
printed for about $400 dollars from a Stratasys 3-D printing machine,
it was an excellent print, though it had a satin finish, wherein the
spec called for gloss.

We had a production mold for the same part made in China, the 2 molds
were ~$5.5k. We had received quotes from US companies of ~$15k for the
same molds.The unit cost of production was ~$3-4 per bezel/faceplate.

In very small quantities, 3d printing makes sense. In situations where
the "fixed cost" of a mold is negligible, I doubt 3d printing will
ever be able to compete.

P.S. I will note that it was cheaper to have our metal backings made
in the US. The shipping costs for iron from the US to China was very
high (though shipping by ocean freighter was not considered).


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Bruce Sherwood

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Apr 24, 2012, 1:54:53 PM4/24/12
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The latest issue of The Economist has a whole section on 3D printing.
There are quotes from knowledgeable people that although the current
technology is such that it's used mainly for prototypes and special
orders, progress is so rapid that they think it will quickly become
used for regular manufacturing.

Bruce

Greg Sonnenfeld

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Apr 24, 2012, 2:29:45 PM4/24/12
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Ah do you mean this article?

http://www.economist.com/node/21552892

It makes the same point I did about economies of scale.

It looks like experts from the article predicts 80% production
printing vs. 20% prototype printing by 2020. That may seem nice at
first glance, but if you think about it, it means that average, for
every prototype part they make, they will only be making 4 production
parts in 2020. That is inline with very small quantities and no where
near the ~1:1k-10k ratio you'd be expecting from a large production
run.

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Bruce Sherwood

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Apr 24, 2012, 11:51:04 PM4/24/12
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That was just one of a bunch of articles in a moderately lengthy
supplement on new-style manufacturing.

Bruce

Owen Densmore

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Apr 25, 2012, 12:30:33 AM4/25/12
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It seems that building our own parts will be in the future for Ambient projects and SimTable.

Greg: Given your experience, would it be best for us to use 3D printing for prototypes, then move to injection molding?

I remember, at Sun Micro, our lab guru just drew up boards and had them fab'ed in the us with amazing 3-4 day turnaround.  Maybe we're approaching this for quality molding?  I assume the CAD standards are up to supporting this.

We're looking at stunts to wrap around phones to build coordinated projectors/cameras.  My guess it would be reasonable to have 3D printers while we're fussing around with details, then when finalized go to pro plastic fabs in the US, right?

   -- Owen
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