[chromium-discuss] Full installer for Chromium( not only for Google Chrome) with a detailed installation process

[Sergie Reyes Guzmán]

I suggest a stable (not beta) release of Chromium, with a installer
for all the major Operating Systems (Windows, GNU/Linux, Mac OS X).
Google Chrome is free, but not Open Source. That's why I think that
you should give the user the way to choose between a free version or
the Open Source version of your product.

Another thing is the installation process, that only show the
comment "installing..." with a fancy bar, this should be replaced
with a DETAILED INSTALLATION PROCESS.

Thanks in advance.

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[Pierre]

A very good idea. Thanks for it.

On 27 avr, 05:04, Sergie Reyes Guzmán <javi7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suggest a stable (not beta) release of Chromium, with a installer
> for all the major Operating Systems (Windows, GNU/Linux, Mac OS X).
> Google Chrome is free, but not Open Source. That's why I think that
> you should give the user the way to choose between a free version or
> the Open Source version of your product.
>
> Another thing is the installation process, that  only show the
> comment  "installing..." with a fancy bar, this should be replaced
> with a DETAILED INSTALLATION PROCESS.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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[dhw]

Google has only one browser product, which is Google Chrome.

Chromium is not a Google browser product. Chromium is an open-source
collaborative browser project which can be freely contributed to and
also freely used and/or modified by others.

Also, changes to Chromium happen on an hourly basis. It is impossible
to release a stable version of Chromium because there are new
"versions" of Chromium created every hour (specifically, whenever new
CL changes are submitted). No full installer or stable version of
Chromium will be created because Chromium builds are simply used for
in-development periodic testing to ensure current development work is
OK and does not break the overall project.

Chromium builds are sometimes referred to as "latest builds", and can
be downloaded and used to check if recent fixes or development work is
OK and/or the expected problems are fixed.

[Pierre]

Good evening

and thanks for your detailed answer and explanation.

I knew it.

I only think, and many other persons with me, it's a pity there were
not a stable free software in the project.

Chrome is a proprietay software and I regret this choice.

On 27 avr, 18:29, dhw <d...@chromium.org> wrote:
> Google has only one browser product, which is Google Chrome.
>
> Chromium is not a Google browser product.  Chromium is an open-source
> collaborative browser project which can be freely contributed to and
> also freely used and/or modified by others.
>
> Also, changes to Chromium happen on an hourly basis.  It is impossible
> to release a stable version of Chromium because there are new
> "versions" of Chromium created every hour (specifically, whenever new
> CL changes are submitted).  No full installer or stable version of
> Chromium will be created because Chromium builds are simply used for
> in-development periodic testing to ensure current development work is
> OK and does not break the overall project.
>
> Chromium builds are sometimes referred to as "latest builds", and can
> be downloaded and used to check if recent fixes or development work is
> OK and/or the expected problems are fixed.
>

[krtulmay]

@Pierre, do you ask the same questions to Apple (regarding WebKit) and
Mozilla (regarding Minefield)?

The same situation exists for both WebKit nightlies (used to develop
Safari) and Minefield betas (used to develop Firefox).

Have you posted to the WebKit and Mozilla groups also saying it's a
pity that there is no stable version of their nightly in-development
testing project?

[Aaron Toponce]

On 04/27/2010 11:40 AM, Pierre wrote:
> Chrome is a proprietay software and I regret this choice.

Then don't run Chrome. Problem solved.

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[krtulmay]

And in case the proprietary-ness of the browser is a concern, you will
note that all the 5 major branded browsers are all proprietary.

Currently, Chrome, Safari, and Firefox have open-source projects that
are used to develop them, and I suppose you can use the nightly
development builds of these projects if so desired.

But again, the same situation exists for all Chromium, WebKit, and
Minefield nightlies: there are no stable versions of any of these in-
development testing projects.

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[Pierre]

Hello

there is an explanation for Chrome's proprietaryness. They have just
given it to me in a French forum :

Chrome code cannot be entirely free because it uses patent softwares
(and Google paies for it) and he gave me H264 as an example.

Chromium doesn't have them. Neither Firefox, I guess.

Spend a nice day

On 27 avr, 23:49, krtulmay <krtul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And in case the proprietary-ness of the browser is a concern, you will
> note that all the 5 major branded browsers are all proprietary.
>
> Currently, Chrome, Safari, and Firefox have open-source projects that
> are used to develop them, and I suppose you can use the nightly
> development builds of these projects if so desired.
>
> But again, the same situation exists for all Chromium, WebKit, and
> Minefield nightlies: there are no stable versions of any of these in-
> development testing projects.
>
> On Apr 27, 11:11 am, Aaron Toponce <aaron.topo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 04/27/2010 11:40 AM, Pierre wrote:
>
> > > Chrome is a proprietay software and I regret this choice.
>
> > Then don't run Chrome. Problem solved.
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[krtulmay]

Pierre, I think you are totally confused about free and proprietary.

You are correct about licensed codecs like H.264. The decoding code
for H.264 cannot be freely included into the Chromium open-source
project because it cannot be allowed to be downloaded by everyone who
downloads the Chromium code.

Google did pay for the license to include that codec into the final
Google Chrome browser, which does have it.

However, Google Chrome is still completely *FREE*, as in free-of-
charge. It does not require any user to pay any money to download and
use it.

Also, Firefox can have H.264 if they so choose. (I believe it current
does not?) If Mozilla wishes to pay for the license, they can include
H.264 into Firefox as well.

[Pierre]

Hello

Free software, proprietary software are a question of license. If you
allow me here are three links about it (maybe a little long to read)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware

Google Chrome, in that sense, is a proprietary software (cf the
license). It is free in another sense : "freeware", free of charge.
But proprietary, as, for example, the "free" Windows Live programs.

Chromium is a "free software" according with its BSD license.

All that problems are very complicated and I am not a specialist.

A product like H264, in a free software, must be replaced, I guess, by
a free alternative because of license incompabilities : Firefox has a
GNU-GPL license.

This confusion freeware/free software is due to in English it's the
same word, "free" (free of charge) = "logiciel gratuit", "gratuiciel"
in French, and "free" (notion of liberty) = "logiciel libre" in French